Re: blind friendly weather site

Re: blind friendly weather site

[Kirk Wood]

I think someone goofed on te unlabled image. It is their logo appearing
once again. I thought it interesting that they also placed a broken image
map on the page.

-- 
Kirk Wood
Cpt.Kirk@1tree.net
------------------

Seek simplicity -- and distrust it.
		Alfred North Whitehead

blind friendly weather site

[Gene Collins]

Hello everyone.  Wunderground.com now has a blind friendly weather page.
 Check out:

http://braille.wunderground.com/

Just type in your zip code or city, and get the weather for your area,
without all the menus and advertizing.  It's cool!

Have a good weekend.

Gene

Re: blind friendly weather site

[Janina Sajka]

Not bad.

Though one has to wonder what they had in mind putting up a graphical link
with no alt text on a page specifically aimed at blind users. 

I still like telnet access to this same service as:

	telnet rainmaker.wunderground.com

It's very quick if you know the three letter city codes you're interested
in: e.g. NYC for New York City, SFO for San Francisco and Oakland, DCA for
Washington, DC Area, etc.

				Janina Sajka, Director
				Information Systems Research & Development
				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)

janina@afb.net


On Fri, 23 Jun 2000, Gene Collins wrote:

> Hello everyone.  Wunderground.com now has a blind friendly weather page.
>  Check out:
> 
> http://braille.wunderground.com/
> 
> Just type in your zip code or city, and get the weather for your area,
> without all the menus and advertizing.  It's cool!
> 
> Have a good weekend.
> 
> Gene
> 
> 
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> 

-- 

				Janina Sajka, Director
				Information Systems Research & Development
				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)

janina@afb.net

Re: blind friendly weather site

[Brent harding]

I think rainmaker.wunderground is cool, I telnet in and get my
forecast. My previous message didn't go through because pine puts my linux
box hostname in the x-from header. My isp does. Is there a way to have
mail held for my linux box's address so when I come online, I can retrieve
it? If not, how do I supress the bounces so when I do come on, it delivers
my mail? I use a service called dynodns.net to map my dynamic address to a
hostname.


On Fri, 23 Jun 2000, Kirk Wood wrote:

> I think someone goofed on te unlabled image. It is their logo appearing
> once again. I thought it interesting that they also placed a broken image
> map on the page.
> 
> -- 
> Kirk Wood
> Cpt.Kirk@1tree.net
> ------------------
> 
> Seek simplicity -- and distrust it.
> 		Alfred North Whitehead
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 
> 

Re: blind friendly weather site

[Joseph Norton]

Hi Brent:

I'm not sure exactly what you're referring to, but, I'll take a
guess.  Are you wanting people to be able to send to
<bharding@wbth.dynodns.net> without having to be logged onto the net?

On Fri, 23 Jun 2000, Brent harding wrote:

> I think rainmaker.wunderground is cool, I telnet in and get my
> forecast. My previous message didn't go through because pine puts my linux
> box hostname in the x-from header. My isp does. Is there a way to have
> mail held for my linux box's address so when I come online, I can retrieve
> it? If not, how do I supress the bounces so when I do come on, it delivers
> my mail? I use a service called dynodns.net to map my dynamic address to a
> hostname.
> 
> 
> On Fri, 23 Jun 2000, Kirk Wood wrote:
> 
> > I think someone goofed on te unlabled image. It is their logo appearing
> > once again. I thought it interesting that they also placed a broken image
> > map on the page.
> > 
> > -- 
> > Kirk Wood
> > Cpt.Kirk@1tree.net
> > ------------------
> > 
> > Seek simplicity -- and distrust it.
> > 		Alfred North Whitehead
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
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Re: blind friendly weather site

[Brent harding]

That's what I would like to do. I might be switching isps soon, and would
rather switch everything to that address now before I get terminated
unexpectedly again.
I had pine set up to use my local smtp, and it sent as from
wbth.dynodns.net. Is there a way to make mail wait until I come on, or
does the mail system fail if the system isn't always there?
I'm using debian 2.2 potato.


On Fri, 23 Jun 2000, Joseph Norton wrote:

> Hi Brent:
> 
> I'm not sure exactly what you're referring to, but, I'll take a
> guess.  Are you wanting people to be able to send to
> <bharding@wbth.dynodns.net> without having to be logged onto the net?
> 
> On Fri, 23 Jun 2000, Brent harding wrote:
> 
> > I think rainmaker.wunderground is cool, I telnet in and get my
> > forecast. My previous message didn't go through because pine puts my linux
> > box hostname in the x-from header. My isp does. Is there a way to have
> > mail held for my linux box's address so when I come online, I can retrieve
> > it? If not, how do I supress the bounces so when I do come on, it delivers
> > my mail? I use a service called dynodns.net to map my dynamic address to a
> > hostname.
> > 
> > 
> > On Fri, 23 Jun 2000, Kirk Wood wrote:
> > 
> > > I think someone goofed on te unlabled image. It is their logo appearing
> > > once again. I thought it interesting that they also placed a broken image
> > > map on the page.
> > > 
> > > -- 
> > > Kirk Wood
> > > Cpt.Kirk@1tree.net
> > > ------------------
> > > 
> > > Seek simplicity -- and distrust it.
> > > 		Alfred North Whitehead
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > 
> > > 
> > 
> > 
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> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > 
> 
> 

E-mail on your own box

[Joseph Norton]

Hi Brent:

What happened with you getting "unexpectedly terminated?"  Sounds ominous.

Anyway, here's a little info that may be helpful, sorry if I'm being
redundant.

As you know, it is possible to send and receive mail on your own Linux box
with the aid of services like dynodns.net, tzo.com or yi.org as long as
your isp doesn't block access to or from your machine on ports 25 and 110
(to name just 2 of them).  Sending mail is usually no problem unless
something goes wrong (like the message being deferred) that keeps it in
your mail queue.  Receiving is a bit more ticklish as you need some
machine to store your mail when you're off-line.  When you're on-line,
again, it's probably ok as long as the mail server trying to communicate
with you can access your machine on port 25.  If you're off-line and no
other machine is mapped as a secondary mail exchanger, the messages people
send to your machine will be deferred at best, and bounced at worst.

I don't know if dynodns.net offers any solution for this, but, tzo.com
does offer a service (unfortunately they charge around $60 for 5 megs of
storage per 6 months) which will take mail for
<whatever@yourmachine.tzo.com> or <whatever@[yourmachine].yourdomain.com>
if you have a domain hosted by tzo.  This is in addition to the charge for
the regular or premium service that does the dynamic domain
redirection.  So, it's a bit costly, but, kind of neat anyway.  I decided
to try it out for six months, but seriously doubt if I'll keep it, so,
it's back to my regular E-Mail address after that.  If your ISP allows you
to send and receive on port 25, Tzo will map the primary mail exchanger
preference to your machine and the next preference to their machine.  When
you're off line and the sending mail server can't communicate with your
machine, it tries the next preference and the machine at Tzo simply takes
the mail and holds it.  When you sign on to Tzo, they dump the mail they
receive to your machine on port 25--to your machine, it looks like regular
messages coming in.  If your ISP doesn't allow you to send and receive on
port 25, you can even have Tzo configured to use some other port to
communicate with your machine's smtp daemon.  Of course, this means that
all mail to your machine must go through the Tzo server even when you're
on-line.  Usually, in this case, Tzo doesn't bother using your machine as
one of the mail exchanger preferences since it probably won't work.  Tzo's
only shortcoming is that you can't configure these preferences after you
set them up--you must call them or E-Mail them with the information.

Hope this helps.

On Fri, 23 Jun 2000, Brent harding wrote:

> That's what I would like to do. I might be switching isps soon, and would
> rather switch everything to that address now before I get terminated
> unexpectedly again.
> I had pine set up to use my local smtp, and it sent as from
> wbth.dynodns.net. Is there a way to make mail wait until I come on, or
> does the mail system fail if the system isn't always there?
> I'm using debian 2.2 potato.

Re: E-mail on your own box

[Brent harding]

It  seemed that my provider allows these ports, mail comes in to my
machine just fine when I come online. I don't think dynodns has that. What
does tzo's free service give?


On Fri, 23 Jun 2000, Joseph Norton wrote:

> Hi Brent:
> 
> What happened with you getting "unexpectedly terminated?"  Sounds ominous.
> 
> Anyway, here's a little info that may be helpful, sorry if I'm being
> redundant.
> 
> As you know, it is possible to send and receive mail on your own Linux box
> with the aid of services like dynodns.net, tzo.com or yi.org as long as
> your isp doesn't block access to or from your machine on ports 25 and 110
> (to name just 2 of them).  Sending mail is usually no problem unless
> something goes wrong (like the message being deferred) that keeps it in
> your mail queue.  Receiving is a bit more ticklish as you need some
> machine to store your mail when you're off-line.  When you're on-line,
> again, it's probably ok as long as the mail server trying to communicate
> with you can access your machine on port 25.  If you're off-line and no
> other machine is mapped as a secondary mail exchanger, the messages people
> send to your machine will be deferred at best, and bounced at worst.
> 
> I don't know if dynodns.net offers any solution for this, but, tzo.com
> does offer a service (unfortunately they charge around $60 for 5 megs of
> storage per 6 months) which will take mail for
> <whatever@yourmachine.tzo.com> or <whatever@[yourmachine].yourdomain.com>
> if you have a domain hosted by tzo.  This is in addition to the charge for
> the regular or premium service that does the dynamic domain
> redirection.  So, it's a bit costly, but, kind of neat anyway.  I decided
> to try it out for six months, but seriously doubt if I'll keep it, so,
> it's back to my regular E-Mail address after that.  If your ISP allows you
> to send and receive on port 25, Tzo will map the primary mail exchanger
> preference to your machine and the next preference to their machine.  When
> you're off line and the sending mail server can't communicate with your
> machine, it tries the next preference and the machine at Tzo simply takes
> the mail and holds it.  When you sign on to Tzo, they dump the mail they
> receive to your machine on port 25--to your machine, it looks like regular
> messages coming in.  If your ISP doesn't allow you to send and receive on
> port 25, you can even have Tzo configured to use some other port to
> communicate with your machine's smtp daemon.  Of course, this means that
> all mail to your machine must go through the Tzo server even when you're
> on-line.  Usually, in this case, Tzo doesn't bother using your machine as
> one of the mail exchanger preferences since it probably won't work.  Tzo's
> only shortcoming is that you can't configure these preferences after you
> set them up--you must call them or E-Mail them with the information.
> 
> Hope this helps.
> 
> On Fri, 23 Jun 2000, Brent harding wrote:
> 
> > That's what I would like to do. I might be switching isps soon, and would
> > rather switch everything to that address now before I get terminated
> > unexpectedly again.
> > I had pine set up to use my local smtp, and it sent as from
> > wbth.dynodns.net. Is there a way to make mail wait until I come on, or
> > does the mail system fail if the system isn't always there?
> > I'm using debian 2.2 potato.
> 
> 

Re: E-mail on your own box

[Joseph Norton]

Hi Brent:

Unfortunately, Tzo doesn't have a free service (they do have a free 30-day
trial and I believe you don't have to give them any billing details for
the trial).  This is only for the standard Tzo service.  After the trial
is over, they charge for their service.

The standard service costs $24.95 for 1 year and $39.95 for 2 years.  The
premier service (where you have your own domain and Tzo redirects to
that domain)) costs $59.95 for 1 year and $99.95 for 2 years.  This does
not include the store and forward service for E-mail.  The price for that
service varies depending upon amount of storage space required and the
subscription period.  Here is the price summary for the store and forward
service.

   6 months of service 5MB of storage $59.95
   1 year of service 5MB of storage $99.95
   1 year of service 10 MB of storage $149.95

Again, a little more than I want to keep paying out, but, it has been an
interesting learning experience.

Hope this helps.

On Fri, 23 Jun 2000, Brent harding wrote:

> It  seemed that my provider allows these ports, mail comes in to my
> machine just fine when I come online. I don't think dynodns has that. What
> does tzo's free service give?
> 
> 
> On Fri, 23 Jun 2000, Joseph Norton wrote:
> 
> > Hi Brent:
> > 
> > What happened with you getting "unexpectedly terminated?"  Sounds ominous.
> > 
> > Anyway, here's a little info that may be helpful, sorry if I'm being
> > redundant.
> > 
> > As you know, it is possible to send and receive mail on your own Linux box
> > with the aid of services like dynodns.net, tzo.com or yi.org as long as
> > your isp doesn't block access to or from your machine on ports 25 and 110
> > (to name just 2 of them).  Sending mail is usually no problem unless
> > something goes wrong (like the message being deferred) that keeps it in
> > your mail queue.  Receiving is a bit more ticklish as you need some
> > machine to store your mail when you're off-line.  When you're on-line,
> > again, it's probably ok as long as the mail server trying to communicate
> > with you can access your machine on port 25.  If you're off-line and no
> > other machine is mapped as a secondary mail exchanger, the messages people
> > send to your machine will be deferred at best, and bounced at worst.
> > 
> > I don't know if dynodns.net offers any solution for this, but, tzo.com
> > does offer a service (unfortunately they charge around $60 for 5 megs of
> > storage per 6 months) which will take mail for
> > <whatever@yourmachine.tzo.com> or <whatever@[yourmachine].yourdomain.com>
> > if you have a domain hosted by tzo.  This is in addition to the charge for
> > the regular or premium service that does the dynamic domain
> > redirection.  So, it's a bit costly, but, kind of neat anyway.  I decided
> > to try it out for six months, but seriously doubt if I'll keep it, so,
> > it's back to my regular E-Mail address after that.  If your ISP allows you
> > to send and receive on port 25, Tzo will map the primary mail exchanger
> > preference to your machine and the next preference to their machine.  When
> > you're off line and the sending mail server can't communicate with your
> > machine, it tries the next preference and the machine at Tzo simply takes
> > the mail and holds it.  When you sign on to Tzo, they dump the mail they
> > receive to your machine on port 25--to your machine, it looks like regular
> > messages coming in.  If your ISP doesn't allow you to send and receive on
> > port 25, you can even have Tzo configured to use some other port to
> > communicate with your machine's smtp daemon.  Of course, this means that
> > all mail to your machine must go through the Tzo server even when you're
> > on-line.  Usually, in this case, Tzo doesn't bother using your machine as
> > one of the mail exchanger preferences since it probably won't work.  Tzo's
> > only shortcoming is that you can't configure these preferences after you
> > set them up--you must call them or E-Mail them with the information.
> > 
> > Hope this helps.
> > 
> > On Fri, 23 Jun 2000, Brent harding wrote:
> > 
> > > That's what I would like to do. I might be switching isps soon, and would
> > > rather switch everything to that address now before I get terminated
> > > unexpectedly again.
> > > I had pine set up to use my local smtp, and it sent as from
> > > wbth.dynodns.net. Is there a way to make mail wait until I come on, or
> > > does the mail system fail if the system isn't always there?
> > > I'm using debian 2.2 potato.
> > 
> > 
> 

Re: E-mail on your own box

[Joseph Norton]

One thing I forgot to mention:

The trial does not include the store and forward E-Mail service--you add
that service onto standard or premier Tzo service (I guess after the trial
is over).

Re: E-mail on your own box

[Tommy Moore]

heh, I've used yi.org for over a year now or something like that have had
no problems with mail delivery, even if the box has been off for a little
while.
I keep it up most of the time if possible, but even if I don't the mail
still comes in anyways.

Re: E-mail on your own box

[Joseph Norton]

Yeah, but, keep it off long enough and it'll get bounced back.  Keep it
off even for 3 or 4 hours and people will start getting those messages
talking about "can't send message for 4 hours" or whatever.  i\It's even
more interesting if you log off of yi.org (setting your ip address to
0.0.0.0).  Then, your name "odysseus.yi.org" goes away completely until
you log back on.  Since your machine is on most of the time, (as you
mentioned) you probably won't notice this.  Even is some messages are
deferred, they will come trickling in once you are back.  Yi.org is
definitely a great service, no question about it.  And, it's
lynx-friendly.

On Fri, 23 Jun 2000, Tommy Moore wrote:

> heh, I've used yi.org for over a year now or something like that have had
> no problems with mail delivery, even if the box has been off for a little
> while.
> I keep it up most of the time if possible, but even if I don't the mail
> still comes in anyways.
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> 

Re: E-mail on your own box

[brent harding]

What's different between standard and premier? I only intend to use a
subdomain for now.
At 08:07 PM 6/23/00 -0400, you wrote:
>One thing I forgot to mention:
>
>The trial does not include the store and forward E-Mail service--you add
>that service onto standard or premier Tzo service (I guess after the trial
>is over).
>
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>Speakup mailing list
>Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
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>
>

Re: E-mail on your own box

[brent harding]

Where is it held and how did you do this? I mean, if I shutdown overnight
and start up when I go on in the morning, what will happen to mail?
Bouncing usually occurs after 4 hours.
At 08:10 PM 6/23/00 -0400, you wrote:
>heh, I've used yi.org for over a year now or something like that have had
>no problems with mail delivery, even if the box has been off for a little
>while.
>I keep it up most of the time if possible, but even if I don't the mail
>still comes in anyways.
>
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>Speakup mailing list
>Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
>

Re: E-mail on your own box

[brent harding]

Are there autoupdate clients that I can use with /etc/ppp/ip-up.d scripts
in debian?
At 08:17 PM 6/23/00 -0400, you wrote:
>Yeah, but, keep it off long enough and it'll get bounced back.  Keep it
>off even for 3 or 4 hours and people will start getting those messages
>talking about "can't send message for 4 hours" or whatever.  i\It's even
>more interesting if you log off of yi.org (setting your ip address to
>0.0.0.0).  Then, your name "odysseus.yi.org" goes away completely until
>you log back on.  Since your machine is on most of the time, (as you
>mentioned) you probably won't notice this.  Even is some messages are
>deferred, they will come trickling in once you are back.  Yi.org is
>definitely a great service, no question about it.  And, it's
>lynx-friendly.
>
>On Fri, 23 Jun 2000, Tommy Moore wrote:
>
>> heh, I've used yi.org for over a year now or something like that have had
>> no problems with mail delivery, even if the box has been off for a little
>> while.
>> I keep it up most of the time if possible, but even if I don't the mail
>> still comes in anyways.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> Speakup mailing list
>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>> 
>
>
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>
>

Re: E-mail on your own box

[Joseph Norton]

Hi Brent:

Standard TZO is a subdomain service
(example: yourmachine.tzo.com).  Premier TZO is what you would use if you
already had your own top-level domain (example: mymachine.com).  Anyone
ordering Premier TZO service may want to check out:

http://www.joker.com

There, you can get your own top-level domain for 12 EURO (about $12
U.S.) per year.  Cheaper than TZO's option for registering, though, a bit
trickier to set up.  However, not impossible.

Hope this helps.

On Fri, 23 Jun 2000, brent harding wrote:

> What's different between standard and premier? I only intend to use a
> subdomain for now.

RE: E-mail on your own box

[Matthew Janusauskas]

Hi Tommy,

HOw about a little info on what this yi.org is all about for a newbie?

Thanks.

-Matthew J


-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Friday, June 23, 2000 19:10
To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
Subject: Re: E-mail on your own box


heh, I've used yi.org for over a year now or something like that have had
no problems with mail delivery, even if the box has been off for a little
while.
I keep it up most of the time if possible, but even if I don't the mail
still comes in anyways.



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Re: blind friendly weather site

[frankiec]

Hi all

Well my best friend from middle school is now working at the weather
underground.  I will make sure that he fixes the page.  He was the one who
notified me of it's existance.  Which I promptly relayed to Gene because I
know he likes that sort of thing.  Write me off list with suggestions for
the page and I will make sure that they get done.  It's just a phone call
away.

FC


On Fri, 23 Jun 2000, Janina Sajka wrote:

> Not bad.
> 
> Though one has to wonder what they had in mind putting up a graphical link
> with no alt text on a page specifically aimed at blind users. 
> 
> I still like telnet access to this same service as:
> 
> 	telnet rainmaker.wunderground.com
> 
> It's very quick if you know the three letter city codes you're interested
> in: e.g. NYC for New York City, SFO for San Francisco and Oakland, DCA for
> Washington, DC Area, etc.
> 
> 				Janina Sajka, Director
> 				Information Systems Research & Development
> 				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> 
> janina@afb.net
> 
> 
> On Fri, 23 Jun 2000, Gene Collins wrote:
> 
> > Hello everyone.  Wunderground.com now has a blind friendly weather page.
> >  Check out:
> > 
> > http://braille.wunderground.com/
> > 
> > Just type in your zip code or city, and get the weather for your area,
> > without all the menus and advertizing.  It's cool!
> > 
> > Have a good weekend.
> > 
> > Gene
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > 
> 
> 

Re: blind friendly weather site

[frankiec]

Well we will try sending this again.

Hi all

Well my best friend from middle school is now working at the weather
underground.  I will make sure that he fixes the page.  He was the one who
notified me of it's existance.  Which I promptly relayed to Gene because I
know he likes that sort of thing.  Write me off list with suggestions for
the page and I will make sure that they get done.  It's just a phone call
away.

FC


On Fri, 23 Jun 2000, Janina Sajka wrote:

> Not bad.
> 
> Though one has to wonder what they had in mind putting up a graphical link
> with no alt text on a page specifically aimed at blind users. 
> 
> I still like telnet access to this same service as:
> 
> 	telnet rainmaker.wunderground.com
> 
> It's very quick if you know the three letter city codes you're interested
> in: e.g. NYC for New York City, SFO for San Francisco and Oakland, DCA for
> Washington, DC Area, etc.
> 
> 				Janina Sajka, Director
> 				Information Systems Research & Development
> 				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> 
> janina@afb.net
> 
> 
> On Fri, 23 Jun 2000, Gene Collins wrote:
> 
> > Hello everyone.  Wunderground.com now has a blind friendly weather page.
> >  Check out:
> > 
> > http://braille.wunderground.com/
> > 
> > Just type in your zip code or city, and get the weather for your area,
> > without all the menus and advertizing.  It's cool!
> > 
> > Have a good weekend.
> > 
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