* a Debian Question @ Chris Gray ` Kenny Hitt ` a Debian Question Sean McMahon 0 siblings, 2 replies; 8+ messages in thread From: Chris Gray @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup with LinuxList Hi: I hope you will forgive a Debian-specific question here. However, I'd like to ask a few things about Debian kernels. First, it looks to me as though 2.6.10 is the most current. If I were to try and use it for Speak-up, is it really the most recent, and stable? If there are more recent SID kernels that people have working with Speak-up, please let me know where to find them. I've gotten 2.6.10, to practice on if nothing else, and when I issue the command make-kpkg clean from usr/src/kernel-source-2.6.10 I get a message saying "We do not seem to be in a top-level kernel source directory tree". Does anybody know what this message means? Thanks. Chris ---------------------------------------- Chris Gray ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: a Debian Question a Debian Question Chris Gray @ ` Kenny Hitt ` Sean McMahon ` a Debian Question Sean McMahon 1 sibling, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread From: Kenny Hitt @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Hi. I have a 2.6.11.7 kernel running with speakup. I decided to use the kernel.org sources instead of the Debian source. Make-kpkg worked fine for building it. There is a Sid kernel-source-2.6.11 available, but I haven't tried to patch it with speakup or build it. It sounds like the make-kpkg script is looking for some files it expects and isn't finding them. Unfortunately, I don't know what files might be missing. You might want to check and see if the kernel-tree package got installed. It should have been installed with the kernel-source, but you never know. Hope this helps. Kenny On Mon, May 30, 2005 at 04:20:44PM -0700, Chris Gray wrote: > Hi: > > I hope you will forgive a Debian-specific question here. However, I'd like > to ask a few things about Debian kernels. First, it looks to me as though > 2.6.10 is the most current. If I were to try and use it for Speak-up, is > it really the most recent, and stable? If there are more recent SID > kernels that people have working with Speak-up, please let me know where to > find them. > > I've gotten 2.6.10, to practice on if nothing else, and when I issue the > command > > make-kpkg clean > > from usr/src/kernel-source-2.6.10 I get a message saying "We do not seem to > be in a top-level kernel source directory tree". Does anybody know what > this message means? > > Thanks. > > Chris > > > ---------------------------------------- > Chris Gray > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: a Debian Question ` Kenny Hitt @ ` Sean McMahon ` Kenny Hitt 0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread From: Sean McMahon @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Last I checked, you can install kernel-tree and that will install kernel-source, but installing kernel-source packages will not install kernel-tree. What is kernel-tree used for? I've made kernels without it while using kernel-source. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kenny Hitt" <kenny@hittsjunk.net> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> Sent: Monday, May 30, 2005 7:03 PM Subject: Re: a Debian Question > Hi. > > I have a 2.6.11.7 kernel running with speakup. I decided to use the > kernel.org sources instead of the Debian source. Make-kpkg worked fine > for building it. > There is a Sid kernel-source-2.6.11 available, but I haven't tried to > patch it with speakup or build it. > > It sounds like the make-kpkg script is looking for some files it expects > and isn't finding them. Unfortunately, I don't know what files might be > missing. > You might want to check and see if the kernel-tree package got > installed. It should have been installed with the kernel-source, but > you never know. > > > Hope this helps. > Kenny > > On Mon, May 30, 2005 at 04:20:44PM -0700, Chris Gray wrote: > > Hi: > > > > I hope you will forgive a Debian-specific question here. However, I'd like > > to ask a few things about Debian kernels. First, it looks to me as though > > 2.6.10 is the most current. If I were to try and use it for Speak-up, is > > it really the most recent, and stable? If there are more recent SID > > kernels that people have working with Speak-up, please let me know where to > > find them. > > > > I've gotten 2.6.10, to practice on if nothing else, and when I issue the > > command > > > > make-kpkg clean > > > > from usr/src/kernel-source-2.6.10 I get a message saying "We do not seem to > > be in a top-level kernel source directory tree". Does anybody know what > > this message means? > > > > Thanks. > > > > Chris > > > > > > ---------------------------------------- > > Chris Gray > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: a Debian Question ` Sean McMahon @ ` Kenny Hitt ` Debian DVD Will Smith 0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread From: Kenny Hitt @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Sean McMahon, Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Hi. According to apt-cache: Description: Linux kernel source tree for building Debian kernel images This meta package is used as a build dependency of Debian kernel-image packages to prevent a version discrepancy between the kernel-image and corresponding kernel-sources packages in the fast-moving unstable archive. The package's dependency relations are structured so that a kernel-image package's build dependencies can always be satisfied, even if the kernel-source package that had been used to compile the image has been superseeded by a newer Debian revision since the last build. . The package provides a list of virtual packages, corresponding to Debian revisions of a kernel-source package. The Debian kernel-patch contains the information needed to roll back the current kernel-source to any of the revisions identified by the provided virtual packages. Therefore, the kernel-tree package ensures the availability of the kernel source tree corresponding to each of the virtual packages listed. . The package serves no purpose outside of the Debian build and archive infrastructure. Like you, I've built kernels without it, but I mostly use sources from kernel.org instead of the Debian kernel-source packages. When I've build packages with Debian source, it is usually after doing something like apt-get source kernel-image-2.6-k7 Kenny On Tue, May 31, 2005 at 11:40:59AM -0700, Sean McMahon wrote: > Last I checked, you can install kernel-tree and that will install kernel-source, > but installing kernel-source packages will not install kernel-tree. What is > kernel-tree used for? I've made kernels without it while using kernel-source. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kenny Hitt" <kenny@hittsjunk.net> > To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> > Sent: Monday, May 30, 2005 7:03 PM > Subject: Re: a Debian Question > > > > Hi. > > > > I have a 2.6.11.7 kernel running with speakup. I decided to use the > > kernel.org sources instead of the Debian source. Make-kpkg worked fine > > for building it. > > There is a Sid kernel-source-2.6.11 available, but I haven't tried to > > patch it with speakup or build it. > > > > It sounds like the make-kpkg script is looking for some files it expects > > and isn't finding them. Unfortunately, I don't know what files might be > > missing. > > You might want to check and see if the kernel-tree package got > > installed. It should have been installed with the kernel-source, but > > you never know. > > > > > > Hope this helps. > > Kenny > > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Debian DVD ` Kenny Hitt @ ` Will Smith ` Kenny Hitt 0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread From: Will Smith @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. I still use a dial-up connection but would like to try to run Debian on a system with a400mhz AMD chip and 128 megs of RAM and an 8 gb hard drive. On Ebay I see an offering that's only about $6 for a DVD disk with lots of Debian material. I am wondering if this will be a good route to getting started with Debian, and if I will need to get Speakup software separately or it will be included here? Here's a bit of the Ebay description: Will wilsmith@iglou.com Debian 3.0.r5 Linux DVD & "FREE" 1CD of Appls/Tutorials Item number: 7159135066 [s.gif] * The Debian Project is an association of individuals who have made common cause to create a complete operating system. This operating system is called Debian GNU/Linux, or simply Debian for short. Of course, the thing that people want is application software: programs to help them get what they want to do done, from editing documents to running a business to playing games to writing more software. Debian comes with over 8000 packages (precompiled software that is bundled up in a nice format for easy installation on your machine). It's a bit like a tower. At the base is the kernel. On top of that are all the basic tools. Next is all the software that you run on the computer. At the top of the tower is Debian -- carefully organizing and fitting everything so it all works together. This version is for all Intel and AMD processors (x86). [GNOME2.jpg] [debian-brushed-metal-large.jpg] [sarge.jpg] >> What is Composed DEBIAN LINUX 3.0.r4 ON 1 DVD (32bit) * Xorg * GNOME * Glibc, GCC * Apache, PHP * MySQL, Samba * Mozilla, GIMP * OpenOffice.org BONUS FREE SOFTWARE 1 CD (669.5MB) Our Customer get a wide variety of bonus free software for educational, productivity and entertainment. *APPLICATIONS AND UTILITIES (578MB) * Latest Mozilla * Latest MySQL * Latest OpenOffice * AntiVirus & Anti-Spam * CD Burning * 3D-Modeling & Rendering Software * Midi (Development, DrumPatterns, Player, Sequencers, SoftSyth, Trackers) * MP3 (Encoding, Player) * Editors * Financial * Graphics * Doc-Tools * Mathematics Applications * And More [fedoraapl.jpg] *TUTORIALS (91.5MB-PDF, TXT) 1. Linux F&Q (1.01MB) * After Step FAQ * Linux Documentation Project(LDP) FAQ * Linux Frequently Asked Questions With Answers * Linux-Raid & WordPerfect FAQ * And More [fedoratuto.jpg] 2. Linux HowTos (57.6MB) * Linux HOWTOs are documents which describe in detail a certain aspect of configuring or using Linux. For example, there is the Installation HOWTO , which gives instructions on installing Linux, and the Mail Administrator HOWTO , which describes how to set up and configure mail under Linux. Other examples include the Net HOWTO and the Printing HOWTO . [fedoratuto1.jpg] 3. Linux Guides (32.8MB) * Advanced Bash-Scripting Guide * Bash Guide for Beginners * Custom Linux A Porting Guide - Porting LinuxPPC to a Custom SBC * Emacspeak User's Guide * EVMS User Guide * Guide to Managing Media and Public Relations in the Linux Community * Installation and Getting Started Guide * Introduction to Linux * LDP Author Guide * Linux Consultants Guide * Linux Dictionary * Linux Filesystem Hierarchy * Linux From Scratch * Linux Kernel 2.4 Internals * Linux Palm Developer's Quick Start Guide * Linux System Administration Made Easy * Pocket Linux Guide * Securing & Optimizing Linux The Ultimate Solution * The Bugzilla Guide * The Linux Kernel * The Linux Kernel Hackers' Guide * The Linux Kernel Module Programming Guide * The Linux Network Administrators' Guide * The Linux Network Administrator's Guide, Second Edition * The Linux Programmer's Guide * The Linux System Administrators' Guide * The Linux Users' Guide * VideoLAN Quickstart * VLC (VideoLAN Client) User Guide * VLS (VideoLAN Server) User Guide [fedoratuto2.jpg] >> Shipping and Handling is : $ 4.99 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: Debian DVD ` Debian DVD Will Smith @ ` Kenny Hitt 0 siblings, 0 replies; 8+ messages in thread From: Kenny Hitt @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Hi. that is a Woody release of Debian. Woody was released almost 3 years ago. It doesn't have speakup. You need a Debian 3.1 (Sarge) CD or DVD to get any version of speakup. Even then, it will have an old CVS release of speakup in the 2.4.27-speakup kernel. Hope this helps. Kenny On Tue, May 31, 2005 at 05:32:02PM -0400, Will Smith wrote: > I still use a dial-up connection but would like to try to run Debian on a > system with a400mhz AMD chip and 128 megs of RAM and an 8 gb hard drive. > On Ebay I see an offering that's only about $6 for a DVD disk with lots > of Debian material. I am wondering if this will be a good route to > getting started with Debian, and if I will need to get Speakup software > separately or it will be included here? > > Here's a bit of the Ebay description: > > Will > wilsmith@iglou.com > Debian 3.0.r5 Linux DVD & "FREE" 1CD of > Appls/Tutorials Item number: 7159135066 [s.gif] > > * The Debian Project is an association of individuals who have made > common cause to create a complete operating system. This operating > system is called Debian GNU/Linux, or simply Debian for short. Of > course, the thing that people want is application software: > programs to help them get what they want to do done, from editing > documents to running a business to playing games to writing more > software. Debian comes with over 8000 packages (precompiled > software that is bundled up in a nice format for easy installation > on your machine). It's a bit like a tower. At the base is the > kernel. On top of that are all the basic tools. Next is all the > software that you run on the computer. At the top of the tower is > Debian -- carefully organizing and fitting everything so it all > works together. This version is for all Intel and AMD processors > (x86). > > [GNOME2.jpg] [debian-brushed-metal-large.jpg] [sarge.jpg] > > >> What is Composed > > DEBIAN LINUX 3.0.r4 ON 1 DVD (32bit) > * Xorg > * GNOME > * Glibc, GCC > * Apache, PHP > * MySQL, Samba > * Mozilla, GIMP > * OpenOffice.org > > > BONUS FREE SOFTWARE 1 CD (669.5MB) > > Our Customer get a wide variety of bonus free software for > educational, productivity and entertainment. > > *APPLICATIONS AND UTILITIES (578MB) > * Latest Mozilla > * Latest MySQL > * Latest OpenOffice > * AntiVirus & Anti-Spam > * CD Burning > * 3D-Modeling & Rendering Software > * Midi (Development, DrumPatterns, Player, Sequencers, SoftSyth, > Trackers) > * MP3 (Encoding, Player) > * Editors > * Financial > * Graphics > * Doc-Tools > * Mathematics Applications > * And More > > [fedoraapl.jpg] > > *TUTORIALS (91.5MB-PDF, TXT) > > 1. Linux F&Q (1.01MB) > * After Step FAQ > * Linux Documentation Project(LDP) FAQ > * Linux Frequently Asked Questions With Answers > * Linux-Raid & WordPerfect FAQ > * And More > > [fedoratuto.jpg] > > 2. Linux HowTos (57.6MB) > * Linux HOWTOs are documents which describe in detail a certain > aspect of configuring or using Linux. For example, there is the > Installation HOWTO , which gives instructions on installing Linux, > and the Mail Administrator HOWTO , which describes how to set up > and configure mail under Linux. Other examples include the Net > HOWTO and the Printing HOWTO . > > [fedoratuto1.jpg] > > 3. Linux Guides (32.8MB) > * Advanced Bash-Scripting Guide > * Bash Guide for Beginners > * Custom Linux A Porting Guide - Porting LinuxPPC to a Custom SBC > * Emacspeak User's Guide > * EVMS User Guide > * Guide to Managing Media and Public Relations in the Linux > Community > * Installation and Getting Started Guide > * Introduction to Linux > * LDP Author Guide > * Linux Consultants Guide > * Linux Dictionary > * Linux Filesystem Hierarchy > * Linux From Scratch > * Linux Kernel 2.4 Internals > * Linux Palm Developer's Quick Start Guide > * Linux System Administration Made Easy > * Pocket Linux Guide > * Securing & Optimizing Linux The Ultimate Solution > * The Bugzilla Guide > * The Linux Kernel > * The Linux Kernel Hackers' Guide > * The Linux Kernel Module Programming Guide > * The Linux Network Administrators' Guide > * The Linux Network Administrator's Guide, Second Edition > * The Linux Programmer's Guide > * The Linux System Administrators' Guide > * The Linux Users' Guide > * VideoLAN Quickstart > * VLC (VideoLAN Client) User Guide > * VLS (VideoLAN Server) User Guide > > [fedoratuto2.jpg] > > >> Shipping and Handling is : $ 4.99 > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: a Debian Question a Debian Question Chris Gray ` Kenny Hitt @ ` Sean McMahon ` Chris Gray 1 sibling, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread From: Sean McMahon @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. One question, did you issue the command fakeroot make-kpkg clean or make-kpkg clean as root? Fakeroot is a package you need to install. 2.6.11.7 built me a working kernel on debian from the kernel source on kernel.org. I don't know what is in sid.Remember when making speakup for 2.6 kernels you do make mrproper, then ./install from the speakup source directory, then your prefered make config or make menuconfig and finally the make-kpkg commands. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Gray" <chrisg@tsoft.com> To: "Speakup with LinuxList" <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> Sent: Monday, May 30, 2005 4:20 PM Subject: a Debian Question > Hi: > > I hope you will forgive a Debian-specific question here. However, I'd like to > ask a few things about Debian kernels. First, it looks to me as though 2.6.10 > is the most current. If I were to try and use it for Speak-up, is it really the > most recent, and stable? If there are more recent SID kernels that people have > working with Speak-up, please let me know where to find them. > > I've gotten 2.6.10, to practice on if nothing else, and when I issue the > command > > make-kpkg clean > > from usr/src/kernel-source-2.6.10 I get a message saying "We do not seem to be > in a top-level kernel source directory tree". Does anybody know what this > message means? > > Thanks. > > Chris > > > ---------------------------------------- > Chris Gray > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: a Debian Question ` a Debian Question Sean McMahon @ ` Chris Gray 0 siblings, 0 replies; 8+ messages in thread From: Chris Gray @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Sean McMahon, Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Hi: I issued: make-kpkg clean as root. I tried installing fakeroot, but it created problems of its own with other Debian packages. Since the box with Linux is my own, it was far easier just to be root than to try and sort out the fakeroot problems. Chris On Tue, 31 May 2005, Sean McMahon wrote: > Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 11:38:52 -0700 > From: Sean McMahon <smcmahon@usgs.gov> > To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> > Subject: Re: a Debian Question > > One question, did you issue the command fakeroot make-kpkg clean or make-kpkg > clean as root? Fakeroot is a package you need to install. 2.6.11.7 built me > a working kernel on debian from the kernel source on kernel.org. I don't know > what is in sid.Remember when making speakup for 2.6 kernels you do make > mrproper, then ./install from the speakup source directory, then your prefered > make config or make menuconfig and finally the make-kpkg commands. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chris Gray" <chrisg@tsoft.com> > To: "Speakup with LinuxList" <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> > Sent: Monday, May 30, 2005 4:20 PM > Subject: a Debian Question > > >> Hi: >> >> I hope you will forgive a Debian-specific question here. However, I'd like to >> ask a few things about Debian kernels. First, it looks to me as though 2.6.10 >> is the most current. If I were to try and use it for Speak-up, is it really > the >> most recent, and stable? If there are more recent SID kernels that people > have >> working with Speak-up, please let me know where to find them. >> >> I've gotten 2.6.10, to practice on if nothing else, and when I issue the >> command >> >> make-kpkg clean >> >> from usr/src/kernel-source-2.6.10 I get a message saying "We do not seem to be >> in a top-level kernel source directory tree". Does anybody know what this >> message means? >> >> Thanks. >> >> Chris >> >> >> ---------------------------------------- >> Chris Gray >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Speakup mailing list >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > -- Chris Gray, Sr. Technical Writer Symantec Corporation 415-738-2649 voice 415-348-9636 fax San Francisco, CA 94107 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
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