a Debian Question

a Debian Question

[Chris Gray]

Hi:

I hope you will forgive a Debian-specific question here.  However, I'd like to 
ask a few things about Debian kernels.  First, it looks to me as though 2.6.10 
is the most current.  If I were to try and use it for Speak-up, is it really the 
most recent, and stable?  If there are more recent SID kernels that people have 
working with Speak-up, please let me know where to find them.

I've gotten 2.6.10, to practice on if nothing else, and when I issue the 
command

make-kpkg clean

from usr/src/kernel-source-2.6.10 I get a message saying "We do not seem to be 
in a top-level kernel source directory tree". Does anybody know what this 
message means?

Thanks.

Chris


----------------------------------------
Chris Gray

Re: a Debian Question

[Kenny Hitt]

Hi.

I have a 2.6.11.7 kernel running with speakup.  I decided to use the
kernel.org sources instead of the Debian source.  Make-kpkg worked fine
for building it.
There is a Sid kernel-source-2.6.11 available, but I haven't tried to
patch it with speakup or build it.

It sounds like the make-kpkg script is looking for some files it expects
and isn't finding them.  Unfortunately, I don't know what files might be
missing.
You might want to check and see if the kernel-tree package got
installed.  It should have been installed with the kernel-source, but
you never know.


Hope this helps.
          Kenny

On Mon, May 30, 2005 at 04:20:44PM -0700, Chris Gray wrote:
> Hi:
> 
> I hope you will forgive a Debian-specific question here.  However, I'd like 
> to ask a few things about Debian kernels.  First, it looks to me as though 
> 2.6.10 is the most current.  If I were to try and use it for Speak-up, is 
> it really the most recent, and stable?  If there are more recent SID 
> kernels that people have working with Speak-up, please let me know where to 
> find them.
> 
> I've gotten 2.6.10, to practice on if nothing else, and when I issue the 
> command
> 
> make-kpkg clean
> 
> from usr/src/kernel-source-2.6.10 I get a message saying "We do not seem to 
> be in a top-level kernel source directory tree". Does anybody know what 
> this message means?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Chris
> 
> 
> ----------------------------------------
> Chris Gray
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: a Debian Question

[Sean McMahon]

One question, did you issue the command fakeroot make-kpkg clean or make-kpkg
clean as root?  Fakeroot is a package you need to install.    2.6.11.7 built me
a working kernel on debian from the kernel source on kernel.org.  I don't know
what is in sid.Remember when making speakup for 2.6 kernels you do make
mrproper, then ./install from the speakup source directory, then your prefered
make config or make menuconfig and finally the make-kpkg commands.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Chris Gray" <chrisg@tsoft.com>
To: "Speakup with LinuxList" <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Monday, May 30, 2005 4:20 PM
Subject: a Debian Question


> Hi:
>
> I hope you will forgive a Debian-specific question here.  However, I'd like to
> ask a few things about Debian kernels.  First, it looks to me as though 2.6.10
> is the most current.  If I were to try and use it for Speak-up, is it really
the
> most recent, and stable?  If there are more recent SID kernels that people
have
> working with Speak-up, please let me know where to find them.
>
> I've gotten 2.6.10, to practice on if nothing else, and when I issue the
> command
>
> make-kpkg clean
>
> from usr/src/kernel-source-2.6.10 I get a message saying "We do not seem to be
> in a top-level kernel source directory tree". Does anybody know what this
> message means?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Chris
>
>
> ----------------------------------------
> Chris Gray
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: a Debian Question

[Sean McMahon]

Last I checked, you can install kernel-tree and that will install kernel-source,
but installing kernel-source packages will not install kernel-tree.  What is
kernel-tree used for?  I've made kernels without it while using kernel-source.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kenny Hitt" <kenny@hittsjunk.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Monday, May 30, 2005 7:03 PM
Subject: Re: a Debian Question


> Hi.
>
> I have a 2.6.11.7 kernel running with speakup.  I decided to use the
> kernel.org sources instead of the Debian source.  Make-kpkg worked fine
> for building it.
> There is a Sid kernel-source-2.6.11 available, but I haven't tried to
> patch it with speakup or build it.
>
> It sounds like the make-kpkg script is looking for some files it expects
> and isn't finding them.  Unfortunately, I don't know what files might be
> missing.
> You might want to check and see if the kernel-tree package got
> installed.  It should have been installed with the kernel-source, but
> you never know.
>
>
> Hope this helps.
>           Kenny
>
> On Mon, May 30, 2005 at 04:20:44PM -0700, Chris Gray wrote:
> > Hi:
> >
> > I hope you will forgive a Debian-specific question here.  However, I'd like
> > to ask a few things about Debian kernels.  First, it looks to me as though
> > 2.6.10 is the most current.  If I were to try and use it for Speak-up, is
> > it really the most recent, and stable?  If there are more recent SID
> > kernels that people have working with Speak-up, please let me know where to
> > find them.
> >
> > I've gotten 2.6.10, to practice on if nothing else, and when I issue the
> > command
> >
> > make-kpkg clean
> >
> > from usr/src/kernel-source-2.6.10 I get a message saying "We do not seem to
> > be in a top-level kernel source directory tree". Does anybody know what
> > this message means?
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > Chris
> >
> >
> > ----------------------------------------
> > Chris Gray
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: a Debian Question

[Chris Gray]

Hi:

I issued:

make-kpkg clean

as root.  I tried installing fakeroot, but it created problems of its 
own with other Debian packages.  Since the box with Linux is my own, 
it was far easier just to be root than to try and sort out the 
fakeroot problems.

Chris

On Tue, 31 May 2005, Sean McMahon wrote:

> Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 11:38:52 -0700
> From: Sean McMahon <smcmahon@usgs.gov>
> To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Subject: Re: a Debian Question
> 
> One question, did you issue the command fakeroot make-kpkg clean or make-kpkg
> clean as root?  Fakeroot is a package you need to install.    2.6.11.7 built me
> a working kernel on debian from the kernel source on kernel.org.  I don't know
> what is in sid.Remember when making speakup for 2.6 kernels you do make
> mrproper, then ./install from the speakup source directory, then your prefered
> make config or make menuconfig and finally the make-kpkg commands.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Chris Gray" <chrisg@tsoft.com>
> To: "Speakup with LinuxList" <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Monday, May 30, 2005 4:20 PM
> Subject: a Debian Question
>
>
>> Hi:
>>
>> I hope you will forgive a Debian-specific question here.  However, I'd like to
>> ask a few things about Debian kernels.  First, it looks to me as though 2.6.10
>> is the most current.  If I were to try and use it for Speak-up, is it really
> the
>> most recent, and stable?  If there are more recent SID kernels that people
> have
>> working with Speak-up, please let me know where to find them.
>>
>> I've gotten 2.6.10, to practice on if nothing else, and when I issue the
>> command
>>
>> make-kpkg clean
>>
>> from usr/src/kernel-source-2.6.10 I get a message saying "We do not seem to be
>> in a top-level kernel source directory tree". Does anybody know what this
>> message means?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Chris
>>
>>
>> ----------------------------------------
>> Chris Gray
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Speakup mailing list
>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

-- 

Chris Gray, Sr. Technical Writer        Symantec Corporation
415-738-2649 voice 
415-348-9636 fax             		San Francisco, CA 94107

Re: a Debian Question

[Kenny Hitt]

Hi.

According to apt-cache:

Description: Linux kernel source tree for building Debian kernel images
 This meta package is used as a build dependency of Debian
  kernel-image packages to prevent a version discrepancy between
   the kernel-image and corresponding kernel-sources packages in the
    fast-moving unstable archive. The package's dependency relations
     are structured so that a kernel-image package's build
      dependencies can always be satisfied, even if the kernel-source
       package that had been used to compile the image has been
        superseeded by a newer Debian revision since the last build.
	 .
	  The package provides a list of virtual packages, corresponding
	  to
	   Debian revisions of a kernel-source package. The Debian
	    kernel-patch contains the information needed to roll back
	    the
	     current kernel-source to any of the revisions identified by
	     the
	      provided virtual packages. Therefore, the kernel-tree
	      package
	       ensures the availability of the kernel source tree
	       corresponding
	        to each of the virtual packages listed.
		 .
		  The package serves no purpose outside of the Debian
		  build and
		   archive infrastructure.
		   
		   Like you, I've built kernels without it, but I mostly
		   use sources from kernel.org instead of the Debian
		   kernel-source packages.
		   When I've build packages with Debian source, it is
		   usually after doing something like

		   apt-get source kernel-image-2.6-k7

		             Kenny
			     
On Tue, May 31, 2005 at 11:40:59AM -0700, Sean McMahon wrote:
> Last I checked, you can install kernel-tree and that will install kernel-source,
> but installing kernel-source packages will not install kernel-tree.  What is
> kernel-tree used for?  I've made kernels without it while using kernel-source.
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Kenny Hitt" <kenny@hittsjunk.net>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Monday, May 30, 2005 7:03 PM
> Subject: Re: a Debian Question
> 
> 
> > Hi.
> >
> > I have a 2.6.11.7 kernel running with speakup.  I decided to use the
> > kernel.org sources instead of the Debian source.  Make-kpkg worked fine
> > for building it.
> > There is a Sid kernel-source-2.6.11 available, but I haven't tried to
> > patch it with speakup or build it.
> >
> > It sounds like the make-kpkg script is looking for some files it expects
> > and isn't finding them.  Unfortunately, I don't know what files might be
> > missing.
> > You might want to check and see if the kernel-tree package got
> > installed.  It should have been installed with the kernel-source, but
> > you never know.
> >
> >
> > Hope this helps.
> >           Kenny
> >

Debian DVD

[Will Smith]

I still use a dial-up connection but would like to try to run Debian on a 
system with a400mhz AMD chip and 128 megs of RAM and an 8 gb hard drive. 
On Ebay I see an offering that's only about  $6 for a DVD disk with lots 
of Debian material.  I am wondering if this will be a good route to 
getting started with Debian, and if I will need to get Speakup software 
separately or it will be included here?

Here's a bit of the Ebay description:

Will
wilsmith@iglou.com
Debian 3.0.r5 Linux DVD & "FREE" 1CD of
    Appls/Tutorials Item number: 7159135066 [s.gif]

      * The Debian Project is an association of individuals who have made
        common cause to create a complete operating system. This operating
        system is called Debian GNU/Linux, or simply Debian for short. Of
        course, the thing that people want is application software:
        programs to help them get what they want to do done, from editing
        documents to running a business to playing games to writing more
        software. Debian comes with over 8000 packages (precompiled
        software that is bundled up in a nice format for easy installation
        on your machine). It's a bit like a tower. At the base is the
        kernel. On top of that are all the basic tools. Next is all the
        software that you run on the computer. At the top of the tower is
        Debian -- carefully organizing and fitting everything so it all
        works together. This version is for all Intel and AMD processors
        (x86).

    [GNOME2.jpg] [debian-brushed-metal-large.jpg] [sarge.jpg]

    >> What is Composed

    DEBIAN LINUX 3.0.r4 ON 1 DVD (32bit)
      * Xorg
      * GNOME
      * Glibc, GCC
      * Apache, PHP
      * MySQL, Samba
      * Mozilla, GIMP
      * OpenOffice.org


    BONUS FREE SOFTWARE 1 CD (669.5MB)

    Our Customer get a wide variety of bonus free software for
    educational, productivity and entertainment.

    *APPLICATIONS AND UTILITIES (578MB)
      * Latest Mozilla
      * Latest MySQL
      * Latest OpenOffice
      * AntiVirus & Anti-Spam
      * CD Burning
      * 3D-Modeling & Rendering Software
      * Midi (Development, DrumPatterns, Player, Sequencers, SoftSyth,
        Trackers)
      * MP3 (Encoding, Player)
      * Editors
      * Financial
      * Graphics
      * Doc-Tools
      * Mathematics Applications
      * And More

    [fedoraapl.jpg]

    *TUTORIALS (91.5MB-PDF, TXT)

    1. Linux F&Q (1.01MB)
      * After Step FAQ
      * Linux Documentation Project(LDP) FAQ
      * Linux Frequently Asked Questions With Answers
      * Linux-Raid & WordPerfect FAQ
      * And More

                               [fedoratuto.jpg]

    2. Linux HowTos (57.6MB)
      * Linux HOWTOs are documents which describe in detail a certain
        aspect of configuring or using Linux. For example, there is the
        Installation HOWTO , which gives instructions on installing Linux,
        and the Mail Administrator HOWTO , which describes how to set up
        and configure mail under Linux. Other examples include the Net
        HOWTO and the Printing HOWTO .

    [fedoratuto1.jpg]

    3. Linux Guides (32.8MB)
      * Advanced Bash-Scripting Guide
      * Bash Guide for Beginners
      * Custom Linux A Porting Guide - Porting LinuxPPC to a Custom SBC
      * Emacspeak User's Guide
      * EVMS User Guide
      * Guide to Managing Media and Public Relations in the Linux
        Community
      * Installation and Getting Started Guide
      * Introduction to Linux
      * LDP Author Guide
      * Linux Consultants Guide
      * Linux Dictionary
      * Linux Filesystem Hierarchy
      * Linux From Scratch
      * Linux Kernel 2.4 Internals
      * Linux Palm Developer's Quick Start Guide
      * Linux System Administration Made Easy
      * Pocket Linux Guide
      * Securing & Optimizing Linux The Ultimate Solution
      * The Bugzilla Guide
      * The Linux Kernel
      * The Linux Kernel Hackers' Guide
      * The Linux Kernel Module Programming Guide
      * The Linux Network Administrators' Guide
      * The Linux Network Administrator's Guide, Second Edition
      * The Linux Programmer's Guide
      * The Linux System Administrators' Guide
      * The Linux Users' Guide
      * VideoLAN Quickstart
      * VLC (VideoLAN Client) User Guide
      * VLS (VideoLAN Server) User Guide

    [fedoratuto2.jpg]

    >> Shipping and Handling is : $ 4.99

Re: Debian DVD

[Kenny Hitt]

Hi.

that is a Woody release of Debian.  Woody was released almost 3 years
ago.  It doesn't have speakup.

You need a Debian 3.1 (Sarge) CD or DVD to get any version of speakup.  
Even then, it will have an old CVS release of speakup in the 
2.4.27-speakup kernel.

Hope this helps.
          Kenny
	  
On Tue, May 31, 2005 at 05:32:02PM -0400, Will Smith wrote:
> I still use a dial-up connection but would like to try to run Debian on a 
> system with a400mhz AMD chip and 128 megs of RAM and an 8 gb hard drive. 
> On Ebay I see an offering that's only about  $6 for a DVD disk with lots 
> of Debian material.  I am wondering if this will be a good route to 
> getting started with Debian, and if I will need to get Speakup software 
> separately or it will be included here?
> 
> Here's a bit of the Ebay description:
> 
> Will
> wilsmith@iglou.com
> Debian 3.0.r5 Linux DVD & "FREE" 1CD of
>    Appls/Tutorials Item number: 7159135066 [s.gif]
> 
>      * The Debian Project is an association of individuals who have made
>        common cause to create a complete operating system. This operating
>        system is called Debian GNU/Linux, or simply Debian for short. Of
>        course, the thing that people want is application software:
>        programs to help them get what they want to do done, from editing
>        documents to running a business to playing games to writing more
>        software. Debian comes with over 8000 packages (precompiled
>        software that is bundled up in a nice format for easy installation
>        on your machine). It's a bit like a tower. At the base is the
>        kernel. On top of that are all the basic tools. Next is all the
>        software that you run on the computer. At the top of the tower is
>        Debian -- carefully organizing and fitting everything so it all
>        works together. This version is for all Intel and AMD processors
>        (x86).
> 
>    [GNOME2.jpg] [debian-brushed-metal-large.jpg] [sarge.jpg]
> 
>    >> What is Composed
> 
>    DEBIAN LINUX 3.0.r4 ON 1 DVD (32bit)
>      * Xorg
>      * GNOME
>      * Glibc, GCC
>      * Apache, PHP
>      * MySQL, Samba
>      * Mozilla, GIMP
>      * OpenOffice.org
> 
> 
>    BONUS FREE SOFTWARE 1 CD (669.5MB)
> 
>    Our Customer get a wide variety of bonus free software for
>    educational, productivity and entertainment.
> 
>    *APPLICATIONS AND UTILITIES (578MB)
>      * Latest Mozilla
>      * Latest MySQL
>      * Latest OpenOffice
>      * AntiVirus & Anti-Spam
>      * CD Burning
>      * 3D-Modeling & Rendering Software
>      * Midi (Development, DrumPatterns, Player, Sequencers, SoftSyth,
>        Trackers)
>      * MP3 (Encoding, Player)
>      * Editors
>      * Financial
>      * Graphics
>      * Doc-Tools
>      * Mathematics Applications
>      * And More
> 
>    [fedoraapl.jpg]
> 
>    *TUTORIALS (91.5MB-PDF, TXT)
> 
>    1. Linux F&Q (1.01MB)
>      * After Step FAQ
>      * Linux Documentation Project(LDP) FAQ
>      * Linux Frequently Asked Questions With Answers
>      * Linux-Raid & WordPerfect FAQ
>      * And More
> 
>                               [fedoratuto.jpg]
> 
>    2. Linux HowTos (57.6MB)
>      * Linux HOWTOs are documents which describe in detail a certain
>        aspect of configuring or using Linux. For example, there is the
>        Installation HOWTO , which gives instructions on installing Linux,
>        and the Mail Administrator HOWTO , which describes how to set up
>        and configure mail under Linux. Other examples include the Net
>        HOWTO and the Printing HOWTO .
> 
>    [fedoratuto1.jpg]
> 
>    3. Linux Guides (32.8MB)
>      * Advanced Bash-Scripting Guide
>      * Bash Guide for Beginners
>      * Custom Linux A Porting Guide - Porting LinuxPPC to a Custom SBC
>      * Emacspeak User's Guide
>      * EVMS User Guide
>      * Guide to Managing Media and Public Relations in the Linux
>        Community
>      * Installation and Getting Started Guide
>      * Introduction to Linux
>      * LDP Author Guide
>      * Linux Consultants Guide
>      * Linux Dictionary
>      * Linux Filesystem Hierarchy
>      * Linux From Scratch
>      * Linux Kernel 2.4 Internals
>      * Linux Palm Developer's Quick Start Guide
>      * Linux System Administration Made Easy
>      * Pocket Linux Guide
>      * Securing & Optimizing Linux The Ultimate Solution
>      * The Bugzilla Guide
>      * The Linux Kernel
>      * The Linux Kernel Hackers' Guide
>      * The Linux Kernel Module Programming Guide
>      * The Linux Network Administrators' Guide
>      * The Linux Network Administrator's Guide, Second Edition
>      * The Linux Programmer's Guide
>      * The Linux System Administrators' Guide
>      * The Linux Users' Guide
>      * VideoLAN Quickstart
>      * VLC (VideoLAN Client) User Guide
>      * VLS (VideoLAN Server) User Guide
> 
>    [fedoratuto2.jpg]
> 
>    >> Shipping and Handling is : $ 4.99
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
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