* speechd-up debian install question @ Jude DaShiell ` covici 0 siblings, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread From: Jude DaShiell @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup does a boot parameter exist to use and install speechd-up rather than speakup-soft for debian installs of wheezy or squeeze? Also would those be stock distros to install or an espeakup distro or some other distro to burn and install? Jude <jdashiel@shellworld.net> If I got a nickel for every message I've already sent supporting Microsoft Windows and its applications I'd have enough to retire on comfortably no matter what the stock market did. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: speechd-up debian install question speechd-up debian install question Jude DaShiell @ ` covici ` Christopher Moore 0 siblings, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread From: covici @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Is someone maintaining speechd-up? I looked on their site and I couldn't even get the git version. 4.x does not with speech-dispatcher 7.x and it would be nice to get this going. I am using gentoo rather than Debian. Jude DaShiell <jdashiel@shellworld.net> wrote: > does a boot parameter exist to use and install speechd-up rather than > speakup-soft for debian installs of wheezy or squeeze? Also would those > be stock distros to install or an espeakup distro or some other distro to > burn and install? > > Jude <jdashiel@shellworld.net> > If I got a nickel for every message I've already sent supporting Microsoft > Windows and its applications I'd have enough to retire on comfortably no > matter what the stock market did. > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup -- Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: How do you spend it? John Covici covici@ccs.covici.com ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: speechd-up debian install question ` covici @ ` Christopher Moore ` William Hubbs 0 siblings, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread From: Christopher Moore @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup You can find the source on the Debian repository. Chris On 10/15/2011 7:55 AM, covici@ccs.covici.com wrote: > Is someone maintaining speechd-up? I looked on their site and I > couldn't even get the git version. 4.x does not with speech-dispatcher > 7.x and it would be nice to get this going. I am using gentoo rather > than Debian. > > Jude DaShiell<jdashiel@shellworld.net> wrote: > >> does a boot parameter exist to use and install speechd-up rather than >> speakup-soft for debian installs of wheezy or squeeze? Also would those >> be stock distros to install or an espeakup distro or some other distro to >> burn and install? >> >> Jude<jdashiel@shellworld.net> >> If I got a nickel for every message I've already sent supporting Microsoft >> Windows and its applications I'd have enough to retire on comfortably no >> matter what the stock market did. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Speakup mailing list >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: speechd-up debian install question ` Christopher Moore @ ` William Hubbs ` Samuel Thibault 0 siblings, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread From: William Hubbs @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 07:56:15PM -0400, Christopher Moore wrote: > You can find the source on the Debian repository. > > Chris Actually, speechd-up is being maintained at http://www.github.com/williamh/speechd-up. If someone on Debian has other patches, they need to be sent to meso that we can get them in the official repository. Thanks, William ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: speechd-up debian install question ` William Hubbs @ ` Samuel Thibault ` Bill Cox 0 siblings, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread From: Samuel Thibault @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. William Hubbs, le Sat 29 Oct 2011 18:00:27 -0500, a écrit : > If someone on Debian has other patches, they need to be sent to meso > that we can get them in the official repository. There is no patch in Debian for speechd-up. Samuel ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: speechd-up debian install question ` Samuel Thibault @ ` Bill Cox ` Samuel Thibault 0 siblings, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread From: Bill Cox @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. William Hubbs has a good version of speechd-up he's maintaining. I'm using it on my install of Oneiric and it seems to work well, though I'm not a strong speakup user. Rob mentioned that it would be better if speechd-up would run as a non-privileged user, rather than root. I agree. Is there a simple way to get the speakup_soft module to be readable by a non-root user? I guess my preference would be readable by all users, but of course that let's anyone logged into the machine follow what's going on on the console. Ideally only the user logged into the console could access /dev/synth. Does anyone know if this is doable? Thanks, Bill On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 9:13 AM, Samuel Thibault <samuel.thibault@ens-lyon.org> wrote: > William Hubbs, le Sat 29 Oct 2011 18:00:27 -0500, a écrit : >> If someone on Debian has other patches, they need to be sent to meso >> that we can get them in the official repository. > > There is no patch in Debian for speechd-up. > > Samuel > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: speechd-up debian install question ` Bill Cox @ ` Samuel Thibault ` Bill Cox ` Janina Sajka 0 siblings, 2 replies; 12+ messages in thread From: Samuel Thibault @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Bill Cox, le Sun 30 Oct 2011 10:49:30 -0400, a écrit : > Rob mentioned that it would be better if speechd-up would run as a > non-privileged user, rather than root. I agree. Is there a simple > way to get the speakup_soft module to be readable by a non-root user? Simply chgrp/chmod /dev/softsynth. It could be useful to add to the documentation the udev rules to do that automatically. > I guess my preference would be readable by all users, but of course > that let's anyone logged into the machine follow what's going on on > the console. Ideally only the user logged into the console could > access /dev/synth. Does anyone know if this is doable? Such things are already done for sound & such, so it most probably is, probably in udev. Samuel ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: speechd-up debian install question ` Samuel Thibault @ ` Bill Cox ` Janina Sajka 1 sibling, 0 replies; 12+ messages in thread From: Bill Cox @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 10:59 AM, Samuel Thibault <samuel.thibault@ens-lyon.org> wrote: > Such things are already done for sound & such, so it most probably is, > probably in udev. Sounds like I need to dive into udev and console kit. Thanks for the tips. Bill ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: speechd-up debian install question ` Samuel Thibault ` Bill Cox @ ` Janina Sajka ` Fwd: " Bill Cox 1 sibling, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread From: Janina Sajka @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Samuel Thibault writes: > Bill Cox, le Sun 30 Oct 2011 10:49:30 -0400, a écrit : > > Rob mentioned that it would be better if speechd-up would run as a > > non-privileged user, rather than root. I agree. Is there a simple > > way to get the speakup_soft module to be readable by a non-root user? > > Simply chgrp/chmod /dev/softsynth. It could be useful to add to the > documentation the udev rules to do that automatically. > > > I guess my preference would be readable by all users, but of course > > that let's anyone logged into the machine follow what's going on on > > the console. Ideally only the user logged into the console could > > access /dev/synth. Does anyone know if this is doable? > > Such things are already done for sound & such, so it most probably is, > probably in udev. > I have a very hard time accepting the Linux sound environment as an example of good practice, especially with respect to permissions. For example, pulseaudio preventing root from playing audio is security gone wacko. It's also not a11y friendly, i.e. "give root password for system maintenance." To my mind the proper model is the video display. Audio per;missions should work the same way as video device permissions. On my machines, /dev/vcs* are all chown root and chmod 660. What's wrong with that? And, for the heck of it, why should /dev/ttsynth be more restricted? Janina > Samuel > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup -- Janina Sajka, Phone: +1.443.300.2200 sip:janina@asterisk.rednote.net Chair, Open Accessibility janina@a11y.org Linux Foundation http://a11y.org Chair, Protocols & Formats Web Accessibility Initiative http://www.w3.org/wai/pf World Wide Web Consortium (W3C) ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Fwd: speechd-up debian install question ` Janina Sajka @ ` Bill Cox ` Chris Brannon ` Michael Whapples 0 siblings, 2 replies; 12+ messages in thread From: Bill Cox @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. I agree with you 100%. The sound card needs to be as rock solid as the display. Not only that, but: - We're doing *extra* work to make our system's sound less stable - Is allowing other people logged into my machine to play sound *really* a security issue? I mean... are they kidding? Maybe the mic, but a pure output device? Honestly, I think what happed is it was easier to write certain parts of Pulse Audio in user mode, and to save the author a little work, the majority of blind Linux users suffer. Now, the entire community of sound developers can go ahead and continue claiming there's some hypothetical benefit to this mess, but in my experience, you do work to fix stuff to make it better, not worse. Bill On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 9:46 AM, Janina Sajka <janina@rednote.net> wrote: > Samuel Thibault writes: >> Bill Cox, le Sun 30 Oct 2011 10:49:30 -0400, a écrit : >> > Rob mentioned that it would be better if speechd-up would run as a >> > non-privileged user, rather than root. I agree. Is there a simple >> > way to get the speakup_soft module to be readable by a non-root user? >> >> Simply chgrp/chmod /dev/softsynth. It could be useful to add to thesou >> documentation the udev rules to do that automatically. >> >> > I guess my preference would be readable by all users, but of course >> > that let's anyone logged into the machine follow what's going on on >> > the console. Ideally only the user logged into the console could >> > access /dev/synth. Does anyone know if this is doable? >> >> Such things are already done for sound & such, so it most probably is, >> probably in udev. >> > I have a very hard time accepting the Linux sound environment as an > example of good practice, especially with respect to permissions. > > For example, pulseaudio preventing root from playing audio is security gone wacko. It's also not a11y friendly, i.e. "give root password for system maintenance." > > To my mind the proper model is the video display. Audio per;missions > should work the same way as video device permissions. On my machines, > /dev/vcs* are all chown root and chmod 660. What's wrong with that? And, > for the heck of it, why should /dev/ttsynth be more restricted? > > Janina > > >> Samuel >> _______________________________________________ >> Speakup mailing list >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > -- > > Janina Sajka, Phone: +1.443.300.2200 > sip:janina@asterisk.rednote.net > > Chair, Open Accessibility janina@a11y.org > Linux Foundation http://a11y.org > > Chair, Protocols & Formats > Web Accessibility Initiative http://www.w3.org/wai/pf > World Wide Web Consortium (W3C) > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: Fwd: speechd-up debian install question ` Fwd: " Bill Cox @ ` Chris Brannon ` Michael Whapples 1 sibling, 0 replies; 12+ messages in thread From: Chris Brannon @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Bill Cox <waywardgeek@gmail.com> writes: > - We're doing *extra* work to make our system's sound less stable > - Is allowing other people logged into my machine to play sound > *really* a security issue? I mean... are they kidding? Maybe the > mic, but a pure output device? I can't say this loudly or forcefully enough. Whoever made this decision completely fails to understand Unix. In Unix terminology, a "user" is not necessarily a flesh-and-blood entity. There are any number of reasons why I might want to allow other "users" to play sound on my machine, even though they aren't logged in at the console. Unix doesn't care. It gets the fuck out of my way and lets me do what I need to do, rather than assuming that it is smarter than I am. I wish Linux would stick to that philosophy. -- Chris ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: speechd-up debian install question ` Fwd: " Bill Cox ` Chris Brannon @ ` Michael Whapples 1 sibling, 0 replies; 12+ messages in thread From: Michael Whapples @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. I agree so much with the general feeling. PulseAudio is really more bother than its worth and probably creates more issues than it solves. Are the security issues really a problem? Proper user groups should sort out many of the issues, do not let users who have remote access have sound card access if its really an issue. Michael Whapples ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Cox" <waywardgeek@gmail.com> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 11:51 PM Subject: Fwd: speechd-up debian install question I agree with you 100%. The sound card needs to be as rock solid as the display. Not only that, but: - We're doing *extra* work to make our system's sound less stable - Is allowing other people logged into my machine to play sound *really* a security issue? I mean... are they kidding? Maybe the mic, but a pure output device? Honestly, I think what happed is it was easier to write certain parts of Pulse Audio in user mode, and to save the author a little work, the majority of blind Linux users suffer. Now, the entire community of sound developers can go ahead and continue claiming there's some hypothetical benefit to this mess, but in my experience, you do work to fix stuff to make it better, not worse. Bill On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 9:46 AM, Janina Sajka <janina@rednote.net> wrote: > Samuel Thibault writes: >> Bill Cox, le Sun 30 Oct 2011 10:49:30 -0400, a écrit : >> > Rob mentioned that it would be better if speechd-up would run as a >> > non-privileged user, rather than root. I agree. Is there a simple >> > way to get the speakup_soft module to be readable by a non-root user? >> >> Simply chgrp/chmod /dev/softsynth. It could be useful to add to thesou >> documentation the udev rules to do that automatically. >> >> > I guess my preference would be readable by all users, but of course >> > that let's anyone logged into the machine follow what's going on on >> > the console. Ideally only the user logged into the console could >> > access /dev/synth. Does anyone know if this is doable? >> >> Such things are already done for sound & such, so it most probably is, >> probably in udev. >> > I have a very hard time accepting the Linux sound environment as an > example of good practice, especially with respect to permissions. > > For example, pulseaudio preventing root from playing audio is security > gone wacko. It's also not a11y friendly, i.e. "give root password for > system maintenance." > > To my mind the proper model is the video display. Audio per;missions > should work the same way as video device permissions. On my machines, > /dev/vcs* are all chown root and chmod 660. What's wrong with that? And, > for the heck of it, why should /dev/ttsynth be more restricted? > > Janina > > >> Samuel >> _______________________________________________ >> Speakup mailing list >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > -- > > Janina Sajka, Phone: +1.443.300.2200 > sip:janina@asterisk.rednote.net > > Chair, Open Accessibility janina@a11y.org > Linux Foundation http://a11y.org > > Chair, Protocols & Formats > Web Accessibility Initiative http://www.w3.org/wai/pf > World Wide Web Consortium (W3C) > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6620 (20111111) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
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