* Using console text editors with Speakup @ James Austin ` Samuel Thibault ` Kirk Reiser 0 siblings, 2 replies; 12+ messages in thread From: James Austin @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup Hello I am not sure if this is the right forum to ask this question, so apologies if not. Please feel free to point me to the correct place. But here goes. I am quite a new or should I say casual Linux user. I am currently using the latest LTS of Ubuntu running in a VM. After days of searching and tinkering, I finally have Speakup working. Yay! I am really impressed with it, so thank you. Could anyone please give me some pointers on using VI or VIM or some other console editor with Speakup please? When I navigate using the VIM key bindings, Speakup either does not respond, or does so intermittently. Am I missing something that I should have set? I am quite comfortable moving around the filesystem, having been an OS X user for over ten years and doing a lot of command line work in that time. Thank you Best James ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: Using console text editors with Speakup Using console text editors with Speakup James Austin @ ` Samuel Thibault ` Janina Sajka ` Kirk Reiser 1 sibling, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread From: Samuel Thibault @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. James Austin, on mer. 26 juil. 2017 22:21:50 +0100, wrote: > When I navigate using the VIM key > bindings, Speakup either does not respond, or does so intermittently. Am I > missing something that I should have set? I guess you are missing the set noruler config line, to avoid vim from updating cursor position at the bottom of the line. Samuel ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: Using console text editors with Speakup ` Samuel Thibault @ ` Janina Sajka 0 siblings, 0 replies; 12+ messages in thread From: Janina Sajka @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup Hi, Quick comment just in case context isn't obvious ... Samuel Thibault writes: > > When I navigate using the VIM key > > bindings, Speakup either does not respond, or does so intermittently. Am I > > missing something that I should have set? > > I guess you are missing the > > set noruler > > config line, to avoid vim from updating cursor position at the bottom of > the line. > Note this directive goes in your $HOME/.vimrc file. Janina > Samuel > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@linux-speakup.org > http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup -- Janina Sajka, Phone: +1.443.300.2200 sip:janina@asterisk.rednote.net Email: janina@rednote.net Linux Foundation Fellow Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup: http://a11y.org The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI) Chair, Accessible Platform Architectures http://www.w3.org/wai/apa ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: Using console text editors with Speakup Using console text editors with Speakup James Austin ` Samuel Thibault @ ` Kirk Reiser ` Dietmar Segbert [not found] ` <854afa30-6b03-cba0-2108-fd55dbe4c3ee@gmail.com> 1 sibling, 2 replies; 12+ messages in thread From: Kirk Reiser @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Hello James: Welcome to linux and speakup. Pretty much all of the editors work with speakup although with varying levels of accessibility. Vi is a favourite and Samuel has mentioned the configuration change to make it work better. I myself use emacs and find it works very well although I find silencing the status line helps a lot. The simple editors also work but have different foibles. There is also emacspeak wich is T.V. Ramans emacs speech interface which I understand works quite nicely. Enjoy. Kirk On Wed, 26 Jul 2017, James Austin wrote: > Hello > > I am not sure if this is the right forum to ask this question, so > apologies if not. Please feel free to point me to the correct place. But > here goes. > > > I am quite a new or should I say casual Linux user. I am currently using > the latest LTS of Ubuntu running in a VM. After days of searching and > tinkering, I finally have Speakup working. Yay! I am really impressed > with it, so thank you. > > > Could anyone please give me some pointers on using VI or VIM or some > other console editor with Speakup please? When I navigate using the VIM > key bindings, Speakup either does not respond, or does so > intermittently. Am I missing something that I should have set? > > I am quite comfortable moving around the filesystem, having been an OS X > user for over ten years and doing a lot of command line work in that time. > > Thank you > > Best > > James > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@linux-speakup.org > http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup > -- Well that's it then, colour me secure! -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: GnuPG v1 mQENBFYV5DMBCAC060mbsnLhGPjnFkf0R0p+7MxcfxlOuy5wc8y59y9ZNF0RZD1s OTEsDih4vD9YJ3zA78VsBUDK47aiDWduh3nHzYN2ZSuxAQ9u7qPqphCG0jPagTU8 p7+Ceeya4I5odWtq+Nkf1UrHB7KKEtexphStSwUG5Bhi4bb84YinmX/a3I+OGV1D by4QBSdPvSuDw0qFkt/ucLyEwv4L6lDjoH2GF+tnCew4SJtliJFvA1k7NpWO6HW9 aWtBxfYU85ccZKBSE25y+9KprUCncVTpaVs3FztCWG0dQRXHvEbV+Damp/IBd9Jv HZX7azqbERUa/FjPTIlZhhI9VtaZaFfJSH+5ABEBAAG0HUtpcmsgUmVpc2VyIDxr aXJrQHJlaXNlcnMuY2E+iQE+BBMBAgAoBQJWFeQzAhsDBQkADS8ABgsJCAcDAgYV CAIJCgsEFgIDAQIeAQIXgAAKCRAHTEsk7UQUUoeuB/wIqsdLCfDrSvr3qg7rKBDg ru44OMuRit6hbdWFZjmxccCdjeNhBJRVd5wrEqjj5YoqQAhmacXaEB0DO/TZlDgo kUfJM7lrtQD4mYU9GVtrzJxCJoBUyeMVnMJt39F91tBu0mYM6oI/dv81dwxIv++4 hj55TZ4GG7DGYAy4LwNb+noNbivgOFHlnfNq8nxhZkHbJdYKP+sptZOL5sagmBQZ iS9STB54g/U7Jtt1Fe+JwDmbxQhbSHa9JuWn0xZ8CtYhrz06xSqZl5vpMlak3eW2 x6m6IcqZfyuI2K7W/9BCgcsQyYzufO4Gk9KyPNISskX6pFBLuNxIH6hdfxSYYm9y uQENBFYV5DMBCACtMyhHog5MR6eQUPTx7fWH5ntkgCtmWvQp4lcKj0HHbteDWglS NVbWKWEk9PAKA4UeQVUH4vOhTRhAPpuDUavLdp2tDtT7ZBVh91B3AWIM6+7fIvyU 2uYt1q/CNjga8RllXBT7mW2zHGEYQFIkBJvqlU0PN1HlxRZIbSSEb+zQuVAd+ph3 kt/oZon3ZbNmKg+arsYMmKkYJ0REwKQib7h5Xl31aK74XmWBp2Ky+lopsJSP8wpH AfC71h4s3LDm8ADHF1Ns4KuGZdLTugr8uiPm5kEJFGes1uYKy8R7OTFko0NEuJkv STfpPYnTU2qDCJBH08zZErI/6YBIlSsCSde3ABEBAAGJASUEGAECAA8FAlYV5DMC GwwFCQANLwAACgkQB0xLJO1EFFKAmgf/d3dk1/HgmF8rmvYVru/hJvmIpmiLqPl5 bYSwdZeU+k82qp3xACM2yMJhOh89SgHsaaqQAE1qo5rAJcSG7/+7M/kzf4u/WM/E unXDtLkbzi5Zl+gjoikrfOhgF0NmuGdlrOme8a6ue7+iE4XLAo0/jhVlh45O6Iq0 0DGyeFr22cR3jZj4wRmPw5zj4r/sWc06UfquVAEMmfIvJMaGYvwBI+TU6gI8MjLe VDY0vay/nQ79fXSLQmYEvjwKXIavQu9c8TFt0z9EDdoIMx69ZunqZuYQInxaT+cL i9zhihMGz4XA1q3blLNX3I0jWzAa23ZchI7htc3kfxp1jWqrGyGEIg== =nrPH -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: Using console text editors with Speakup ` Kirk Reiser @ ` Dietmar Segbert ` Kirk Reiser [not found] ` <854afa30-6b03-cba0-2108-fd55dbe4c3ee@gmail.com> 1 sibling, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread From: Dietmar Segbert @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup Hello Kirk, > kirk@reisers.ca schrieb am 27.07.17: > find it works very well although I find silencing the status line > helps a lot. The simple editors also work but have different In joe the row and col will be spoken, how can i turn off in spekaup? Thanks und regards Dietmar ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: Using console text editors with Speakup ` Dietmar Segbert @ ` Kirk Reiser ` Tom Fowle 0 siblings, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread From: Kirk Reiser @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Hello Dietmar: I don't use joe so all I can tell you is find where the row and column numbers are shown and then mark that area to be silent. You set a silence are by placing your reading cursor at the first position of the window you wish to silence and hitting speakup-f1. Move the reading cursor to the end of the area to be silenced and hit speakup-f1 again. Then you do speakup-f4 to silence that window/area. The details should be discussed in the speakup users guide on the web site. Good luck. Kirk On Thu, 27 Jul 2017, Dietmar Segbert wrote: > Hello Kirk, > > >> kirk@reisers.ca schrieb am 27.07.17: >> find it works very well although I find silencing the status line >> helps a lot. The simple editors also work but have different > In joe the row and col will be spoken, how can i turn off in spekaup? > > Thanks und regards > > Dietmar > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@linux-speakup.org > http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup -- Well that's it then, colour me secure! -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: GnuPG v1 mQENBFYV5DMBCAC060mbsnLhGPjnFkf0R0p+7MxcfxlOuy5wc8y59y9ZNF0RZD1s OTEsDih4vD9YJ3zA78VsBUDK47aiDWduh3nHzYN2ZSuxAQ9u7qPqphCG0jPagTU8 p7+Ceeya4I5odWtq+Nkf1UrHB7KKEtexphStSwUG5Bhi4bb84YinmX/a3I+OGV1D by4QBSdPvSuDw0qFkt/ucLyEwv4L6lDjoH2GF+tnCew4SJtliJFvA1k7NpWO6HW9 aWtBxfYU85ccZKBSE25y+9KprUCncVTpaVs3FztCWG0dQRXHvEbV+Damp/IBd9Jv HZX7azqbERUa/FjPTIlZhhI9VtaZaFfJSH+5ABEBAAG0HUtpcmsgUmVpc2VyIDxr aXJrQHJlaXNlcnMuY2E+iQE+BBMBAgAoBQJWFeQzAhsDBQkADS8ABgsJCAcDAgYV CAIJCgsEFgIDAQIeAQIXgAAKCRAHTEsk7UQUUoeuB/wIqsdLCfDrSvr3qg7rKBDg ru44OMuRit6hbdWFZjmxccCdjeNhBJRVd5wrEqjj5YoqQAhmacXaEB0DO/TZlDgo kUfJM7lrtQD4mYU9GVtrzJxCJoBUyeMVnMJt39F91tBu0mYM6oI/dv81dwxIv++4 hj55TZ4GG7DGYAy4LwNb+noNbivgOFHlnfNq8nxhZkHbJdYKP+sptZOL5sagmBQZ iS9STB54g/U7Jtt1Fe+JwDmbxQhbSHa9JuWn0xZ8CtYhrz06xSqZl5vpMlak3eW2 x6m6IcqZfyuI2K7W/9BCgcsQyYzufO4Gk9KyPNISskX6pFBLuNxIH6hdfxSYYm9y uQENBFYV5DMBCACtMyhHog5MR6eQUPTx7fWH5ntkgCtmWvQp4lcKj0HHbteDWglS NVbWKWEk9PAKA4UeQVUH4vOhTRhAPpuDUavLdp2tDtT7ZBVh91B3AWIM6+7fIvyU 2uYt1q/CNjga8RllXBT7mW2zHGEYQFIkBJvqlU0PN1HlxRZIbSSEb+zQuVAd+ph3 kt/oZon3ZbNmKg+arsYMmKkYJ0REwKQib7h5Xl31aK74XmWBp2Ky+lopsJSP8wpH AfC71h4s3LDm8ADHF1Ns4KuGZdLTugr8uiPm5kEJFGes1uYKy8R7OTFko0NEuJkv STfpPYnTU2qDCJBH08zZErI/6YBIlSsCSde3ABEBAAGJASUEGAECAA8FAlYV5DMC GwwFCQANLwAACgkQB0xLJO1EFFKAmgf/d3dk1/HgmF8rmvYVru/hJvmIpmiLqPl5 bYSwdZeU+k82qp3xACM2yMJhOh89SgHsaaqQAE1qo5rAJcSG7/+7M/kzf4u/WM/E unXDtLkbzi5Zl+gjoikrfOhgF0NmuGdlrOme8a6ue7+iE4XLAo0/jhVlh45O6Iq0 0DGyeFr22cR3jZj4wRmPw5zj4r/sWc06UfquVAEMmfIvJMaGYvwBI+TU6gI8MjLe VDY0vay/nQ79fXSLQmYEvjwKXIavQu9c8TFt0z9EDdoIMx69ZunqZuYQInxaT+cL i9zhihMGz4XA1q3blLNX3I0jWzAa23ZchI7htc3kfxp1jWqrGyGEIg== =nrPH -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: Using console text editors with Speakup ` Kirk Reiser @ ` Tom Fowle ` Dietmar Segbert 0 siblings, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread From: Tom Fowle @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup Dietmer, Look at .joerc file in your home directory there is an entry that controls what is displayed on the status line and here you can remove row and collumn display if you don't want them. I believe there is a clock display there also you may not want to talk a lot. Be sure to read how to change entries in .joerc as it's a matter of indents in some cases. tom Fowle On Fri, Jul 28, 2017 at 07:17:08AM -0400, Kirk Reiser wrote: > Hello Dietmar: I don't use joe so all I can tell you is find where the > row and column numbers are shown and then mark that area to be > silent. You set a silence are by placing your reading cursor at the > first position of the window you wish to silence and hitting > speakup-f1. Move the reading cursor to the end of the area to be > silenced and hit speakup-f1 again. Then you do speakup-f4 to silence > that window/area. The details should be discussed in the speakup users > guide on the web site. > > Good luck. > Kirk > > On Thu, 27 Jul 2017, Dietmar Segbert wrote: > > >Hello Kirk, > > > > > >>kirk@reisers.ca schrieb am 27.07.17: > >>find it works very well although I find silencing the status line > >>helps a lot. The simple editors also work but have different > >In joe the row and col will be spoken, how can i turn off in spekaup? > > > >Thanks und regards > > > >Dietmar > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Speakup mailing list > >Speakup@linux-speakup.org > >http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > -- > Well that's it then, colour me secure! > > -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- > Version: GnuPG v1 > > mQENBFYV5DMBCAC060mbsnLhGPjnFkf0R0p+7MxcfxlOuy5wc8y59y9ZNF0RZD1s > OTEsDih4vD9YJ3zA78VsBUDK47aiDWduh3nHzYN2ZSuxAQ9u7qPqphCG0jPagTU8 > p7+Ceeya4I5odWtq+Nkf1UrHB7KKEtexphStSwUG5Bhi4bb84YinmX/a3I+OGV1D > by4QBSdPvSuDw0qFkt/ucLyEwv4L6lDjoH2GF+tnCew4SJtliJFvA1k7NpWO6HW9 > aWtBxfYU85ccZKBSE25y+9KprUCncVTpaVs3FztCWG0dQRXHvEbV+Damp/IBd9Jv > HZX7azqbERUa/FjPTIlZhhI9VtaZaFfJSH+5ABEBAAG0HUtpcmsgUmVpc2VyIDxr > aXJrQHJlaXNlcnMuY2E+iQE+BBMBAgAoBQJWFeQzAhsDBQkADS8ABgsJCAcDAgYV > CAIJCgsEFgIDAQIeAQIXgAAKCRAHTEsk7UQUUoeuB/wIqsdLCfDrSvr3qg7rKBDg > ru44OMuRit6hbdWFZjmxccCdjeNhBJRVd5wrEqjj5YoqQAhmacXaEB0DO/TZlDgo > kUfJM7lrtQD4mYU9GVtrzJxCJoBUyeMVnMJt39F91tBu0mYM6oI/dv81dwxIv++4 > hj55TZ4GG7DGYAy4LwNb+noNbivgOFHlnfNq8nxhZkHbJdYKP+sptZOL5sagmBQZ > iS9STB54g/U7Jtt1Fe+JwDmbxQhbSHa9JuWn0xZ8CtYhrz06xSqZl5vpMlak3eW2 > x6m6IcqZfyuI2K7W/9BCgcsQyYzufO4Gk9KyPNISskX6pFBLuNxIH6hdfxSYYm9y > uQENBFYV5DMBCACtMyhHog5MR6eQUPTx7fWH5ntkgCtmWvQp4lcKj0HHbteDWglS > NVbWKWEk9PAKA4UeQVUH4vOhTRhAPpuDUavLdp2tDtT7ZBVh91B3AWIM6+7fIvyU > 2uYt1q/CNjga8RllXBT7mW2zHGEYQFIkBJvqlU0PN1HlxRZIbSSEb+zQuVAd+ph3 > kt/oZon3ZbNmKg+arsYMmKkYJ0REwKQib7h5Xl31aK74XmWBp2Ky+lopsJSP8wpH > AfC71h4s3LDm8ADHF1Ns4KuGZdLTugr8uiPm5kEJFGes1uYKy8R7OTFko0NEuJkv > STfpPYnTU2qDCJBH08zZErI/6YBIlSsCSde3ABEBAAGJASUEGAECAA8FAlYV5DMC > GwwFCQANLwAACgkQB0xLJO1EFFKAmgf/d3dk1/HgmF8rmvYVru/hJvmIpmiLqPl5 > bYSwdZeU+k82qp3xACM2yMJhOh89SgHsaaqQAE1qo5rAJcSG7/+7M/kzf4u/WM/E > unXDtLkbzi5Zl+gjoikrfOhgF0NmuGdlrOme8a6ue7+iE4XLAo0/jhVlh45O6Iq0 > 0DGyeFr22cR3jZj4wRmPw5zj4r/sWc06UfquVAEMmfIvJMaGYvwBI+TU6gI8MjLe > VDY0vay/nQ79fXSLQmYEvjwKXIavQu9c8TFt0z9EDdoIMx69ZunqZuYQInxaT+cL > i9zhihMGz4XA1q3blLNX3I0jWzAa23ZchI7htc3kfxp1jWqrGyGEIg== > =nrPH > -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@linux-speakup.org > http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: Using console text editors with Speakup ` Tom Fowle @ ` Dietmar Segbert ` Tom Fowle ` Chime Hart 0 siblings, 2 replies; 12+ messages in thread From: Dietmar Segbert @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup Hello Tom, thanks, i will look for the joerc file and test. Regards Dietmar > wa6ivgtf@fastmail.fm schrieb am 30.07.17: > Dietmer, > Look at .joerc file in your home directory there is an entry that controls > what is displayed on the status line and here you can remove row and collumn > display if you don't want them. I believe there is a clock display there > also you may not want to talk a lot. > Be sure to read how to change entries in .joerc as it's a matter of indents > in some cases. > tom Fowle > On Fri, Jul 28, 2017 at 07:17:08AM -0400, Kirk Reiser wrote: >> Hello Dietmar: I don't use joe so all I can tell you is find where the >> row and column numbers are shown and then mark that area to be >> silent. You set a silence are by placing your reading cursor at the >> first position of the window you wish to silence and hitting >> speakup-f1. Move the reading cursor to the end of the area to be >> silenced and hit speakup-f1 again. Then you do speakup-f4 to silence >> that window/area. The details should be discussed in the speakup users >> guide on the web site. >> >> Good luck. >> Kirk >> >> On Thu, 27 Jul 2017, Dietmar Segbert wrote: >> >>>Hello Kirk, >>> >>> >>>>kirk@reisers.ca schrieb am 27.07.17: >>>>find it works very well although I find silencing the status line >>>>helps a lot. The simple editors also work but have different >>>In joe the row and col will be spoken, how can i turn off in spekaup? >>> >>>Thanks und regards >>> >>>Dietmar >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Speakup mailing list >>>Speakup@linux-speakup.org >>>http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup >> >> -- >> Well that's it then, colour me secure! >> >> -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- >> Version: GnuPG v1 >> >> mQENBFYV5DMBCAC060mbsnLhGPjnFkf0R0p+7MxcfxlOuy5wc8y59y9ZNF0RZD1s >> OTEsDih4vD9YJ3zA78VsBUDK47aiDWduh3nHzYN2ZSuxAQ9u7qPqphCG0jPagTU8 >> p7+Ceeya4I5odWtq+Nkf1UrHB7KKEtexphStSwUG5Bhi4bb84YinmX/a3I+OGV1D >> by4QBSdPvSuDw0qFkt/ucLyEwv4L6lDjoH2GF+tnCew4SJtliJFvA1k7NpWO6HW9 >> aWtBxfYU85ccZKBSE25y+9KprUCncVTpaVs3FztCWG0dQRXHvEbV+Damp/IBd9Jv >> HZX7azqbERUa/FjPTIlZhhI9VtaZaFfJSH+5ABEBAAG0HUtpcmsgUmVpc2VyIDxr >> aXJrQHJlaXNlcnMuY2E+iQE+BBMBAgAoBQJWFeQzAhsDBQkADS8ABgsJCAcDAgYV >> CAIJCgsEFgIDAQIeAQIXgAAKCRAHTEsk7UQUUoeuB/wIqsdLCfDrSvr3qg7rKBDg >> ru44OMuRit6hbdWFZjmxccCdjeNhBJRVd5wrEqjj5YoqQAhmacXaEB0DO/TZlDgo >> kUfJM7lrtQD4mYU9GVtrzJxCJoBUyeMVnMJt39F91tBu0mYM6oI/dv81dwxIv++4 >> hj55TZ4GG7DGYAy4LwNb+noNbivgOFHlnfNq8nxhZkHbJdYKP+sptZOL5sagmBQZ >> iS9STB54g/U7Jtt1Fe+JwDmbxQhbSHa9JuWn0xZ8CtYhrz06xSqZl5vpMlak3eW2 >> x6m6IcqZfyuI2K7W/9BCgcsQyYzufO4Gk9KyPNISskX6pFBLuNxIH6hdfxSYYm9y >> uQENBFYV5DMBCACtMyhHog5MR6eQUPTx7fWH5ntkgCtmWvQp4lcKj0HHbteDWglS >> NVbWKWEk9PAKA4UeQVUH4vOhTRhAPpuDUavLdp2tDtT7ZBVh91B3AWIM6+7fIvyU >> 2uYt1q/CNjga8RllXBT7mW2zHGEYQFIkBJvqlU0PN1HlxRZIbSSEb+zQuVAd+ph3 >> kt/oZon3ZbNmKg+arsYMmKkYJ0REwKQib7h5Xl31aK74XmWBp2Ky+lopsJSP8wpH >> AfC71h4s3LDm8ADHF1Ns4KuGZdLTugr8uiPm5kEJFGes1uYKy8R7OTFko0NEuJkv >> STfpPYnTU2qDCJBH08zZErI/6YBIlSsCSde3ABEBAAGJASUEGAECAA8FAlYV5DMC >> GwwFCQANLwAACgkQB0xLJO1EFFKAmgf/d3dk1/HgmF8rmvYVru/hJvmIpmiLqPl5 >> bYSwdZeU+k82qp3xACM2yMJhOh89SgHsaaqQAE1qo5rAJcSG7/+7M/kzf4u/WM/E >> unXDtLkbzi5Zl+gjoikrfOhgF0NmuGdlrOme8a6ue7+iE4XLAo0/jhVlh45O6Iq0 >> 0DGyeFr22cR3jZj4wRmPw5zj4r/sWc06UfquVAEMmfIvJMaGYvwBI+TU6gI8MjLe >> VDY0vay/nQ79fXSLQmYEvjwKXIavQu9c8TFt0z9EDdoIMx69ZunqZuYQInxaT+cL >> i9zhihMGz4XA1q3blLNX3I0jWzAa23ZchI7htc3kfxp1jWqrGyGEIg== >> =nrPH >> -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- >> _______________________________________________ >> Speakup mailing list >> Speakup@linux-speakup.org >> http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@linux-speakup.org > http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: Using console text editors with Speakup ` Dietmar Segbert @ ` Tom Fowle ` Jude DaShiell ` Chime Hart 1 sibling, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread From: Tom Fowle @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup Dietmar, Note that the file has or may have that old leading "dot" that makes it a hidden file. .joerc It's extensive and the status line is way down below all the color stuff <BORING> Tom Fowle On Sun, Jul 30, 2017 at 08:05:00AM +0000, Dietmar Segbert wrote: > Hello Tom, > > thanks, i will look for the joerc file and test. > > Regards > > Dietmar > > > > wa6ivgtf@fastmail.fm schrieb am 30.07.17: > > > Dietmer, > > Look at .joerc file in your home directory there is an entry that controls > > what is displayed on the status line and here you can remove row and collumn > > display if you don't want them. I believe there is a clock display there > > also you may not want to talk a lot. > > > Be sure to read how to change entries in .joerc as it's a matter of indents > > in some cases. > > > tom Fowle > > > On Fri, Jul 28, 2017 at 07:17:08AM -0400, Kirk Reiser wrote: > >> Hello Dietmar: I don't use joe so all I can tell you is find where the > >> row and column numbers are shown and then mark that area to be > >> silent. You set a silence are by placing your reading cursor at the > >> first position of the window you wish to silence and hitting > >> speakup-f1. Move the reading cursor to the end of the area to be > >> silenced and hit speakup-f1 again. Then you do speakup-f4 to silence > >> that window/area. The details should be discussed in the speakup users > >> guide on the web site. > >> > >> Good luck. > >> Kirk > >> > >> On Thu, 27 Jul 2017, Dietmar Segbert wrote: > >> > >>>Hello Kirk, > >>> > >>> > >>>>kirk@reisers.ca schrieb am 27.07.17: > >>>>find it works very well although I find silencing the status line > >>>>helps a lot. The simple editors also work but have different > >>>In joe the row and col will be spoken, how can i turn off in spekaup? > >>> > >>>Thanks und regards > >>> > >>>Dietmar > >>> > >>>_______________________________________________ > >>>Speakup mailing list > >>>Speakup@linux-speakup.org > >>>http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup > >> > >> -- > >> Well that's it then, colour me secure! > >> > >> -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- > >> Version: GnuPG v1 > >> > >> mQENBFYV5DMBCAC060mbsnLhGPjnFkf0R0p+7MxcfxlOuy5wc8y59y9ZNF0RZD1s > >> OTEsDih4vD9YJ3zA78VsBUDK47aiDWduh3nHzYN2ZSuxAQ9u7qPqphCG0jPagTU8 > >> p7+Ceeya4I5odWtq+Nkf1UrHB7KKEtexphStSwUG5Bhi4bb84YinmX/a3I+OGV1D > >> by4QBSdPvSuDw0qFkt/ucLyEwv4L6lDjoH2GF+tnCew4SJtliJFvA1k7NpWO6HW9 > >> aWtBxfYU85ccZKBSE25y+9KprUCncVTpaVs3FztCWG0dQRXHvEbV+Damp/IBd9Jv > >> HZX7azqbERUa/FjPTIlZhhI9VtaZaFfJSH+5ABEBAAG0HUtpcmsgUmVpc2VyIDxr > >> aXJrQHJlaXNlcnMuY2E+iQE+BBMBAgAoBQJWFeQzAhsDBQkADS8ABgsJCAcDAgYV > >> CAIJCgsEFgIDAQIeAQIXgAAKCRAHTEsk7UQUUoeuB/wIqsdLCfDrSvr3qg7rKBDg > >> ru44OMuRit6hbdWFZjmxccCdjeNhBJRVd5wrEqjj5YoqQAhmacXaEB0DO/TZlDgo > >> kUfJM7lrtQD4mYU9GVtrzJxCJoBUyeMVnMJt39F91tBu0mYM6oI/dv81dwxIv++4 > >> hj55TZ4GG7DGYAy4LwNb+noNbivgOFHlnfNq8nxhZkHbJdYKP+sptZOL5sagmBQZ > >> iS9STB54g/U7Jtt1Fe+JwDmbxQhbSHa9JuWn0xZ8CtYhrz06xSqZl5vpMlak3eW2 > >> x6m6IcqZfyuI2K7W/9BCgcsQyYzufO4Gk9KyPNISskX6pFBLuNxIH6hdfxSYYm9y > >> uQENBFYV5DMBCACtMyhHog5MR6eQUPTx7fWH5ntkgCtmWvQp4lcKj0HHbteDWglS > >> NVbWKWEk9PAKA4UeQVUH4vOhTRhAPpuDUavLdp2tDtT7ZBVh91B3AWIM6+7fIvyU > >> 2uYt1q/CNjga8RllXBT7mW2zHGEYQFIkBJvqlU0PN1HlxRZIbSSEb+zQuVAd+ph3 > >> kt/oZon3ZbNmKg+arsYMmKkYJ0REwKQib7h5Xl31aK74XmWBp2Ky+lopsJSP8wpH > >> AfC71h4s3LDm8ADHF1Ns4KuGZdLTugr8uiPm5kEJFGes1uYKy8R7OTFko0NEuJkv > >> STfpPYnTU2qDCJBH08zZErI/6YBIlSsCSde3ABEBAAGJASUEGAECAA8FAlYV5DMC > >> GwwFCQANLwAACgkQB0xLJO1EFFKAmgf/d3dk1/HgmF8rmvYVru/hJvmIpmiLqPl5 > >> bYSwdZeU+k82qp3xACM2yMJhOh89SgHsaaqQAE1qo5rAJcSG7/+7M/kzf4u/WM/E > >> unXDtLkbzi5Zl+gjoikrfOhgF0NmuGdlrOme8a6ue7+iE4XLAo0/jhVlh45O6Iq0 > >> 0DGyeFr22cR3jZj4wRmPw5zj4r/sWc06UfquVAEMmfIvJMaGYvwBI+TU6gI8MjLe > >> VDY0vay/nQ79fXSLQmYEvjwKXIavQu9c8TFt0z9EDdoIMx69ZunqZuYQInxaT+cL > >> i9zhihMGz4XA1q3blLNX3I0jWzAa23ZchI7htc3kfxp1jWqrGyGEIg== > >> =nrPH > >> -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Speakup mailing list > >> Speakup@linux-speakup.org > >> http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup@linux-speakup.org > > http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@linux-speakup.org > http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: Using console text editors with Speakup ` Tom Fowle @ ` Jude DaShiell 0 siblings, 0 replies; 12+ messages in thread From: Jude DaShiell @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. grep can help cut the boring out. grep -in status .joerc will show all lines with line numbers in .joerc with status on them and be case-insensitive about that search too. If another editor can be opened on .joerc with the first line number of interest then configuration improvement can happen more quickly with less boredom. Use of sed can be quite effective with the correct sed script too. On Sun, 30 Jul 2017, Tom Fowle wrote: > Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2017 23:06:04 > From: Tom Fowle <wa6ivgtf@fastmail.fm> > Reply-To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. > <speakup@linux-speakup.org> > To: speakup@linux-speakup.org > Subject: Re: Using console text editors with Speakup > > Dietmar, > Note that the file has or may have that old leading "dot" that makes it a > hidden file. > .joerc > It's extensive and the status line is way down below all the color stuff > <BORING> > Tom Fowle > > On Sun, Jul 30, 2017 at 08:05:00AM +0000, Dietmar Segbert wrote: >> Hello Tom, >> >> thanks, i will look for the joerc file and test. >> >> Regards >> >> Dietmar >> >> >> > wa6ivgtf@fastmail.fm schrieb am 30.07.17: >> >> > Dietmer, >> > Look at .joerc file in your home directory there is an entry that controls >> > what is displayed on the status line and here you can remove row and collumn >> > display if you don't want them. I believe there is a clock display there >> > also you may not want to talk a lot. >> >> > Be sure to read how to change entries in .joerc as it's a matter of indents >> > in some cases. >> >> > tom Fowle >> >> > On Fri, Jul 28, 2017 at 07:17:08AM -0400, Kirk Reiser wrote: >> >> Hello Dietmar: I don't use joe so all I can tell you is find where the >> >> row and column numbers are shown and then mark that area to be >> >> silent. You set a silence are by placing your reading cursor at the >> >> first position of the window you wish to silence and hitting >> >> speakup-f1. Move the reading cursor to the end of the area to be >> >> silenced and hit speakup-f1 again. Then you do speakup-f4 to silence >> >> that window/area. The details should be discussed in the speakup users >> >> guide on the web site. >> >> >> >> Good luck. >> >> Kirk >> >> >> >> On Thu, 27 Jul 2017, Dietmar Segbert wrote: >> >> >> >>>Hello Kirk, >> >>> >> >>> >> >>>>kirk@reisers.ca schrieb am 27.07.17: >> >>>>find it works very well although I find silencing the status line >> >>>>helps a lot. The simple editors also work but have different >> >>>In joe the row and col will be spoken, how can i turn off in spekaup? >> >>> >> >>>Thanks und regards >> >>> >> >>>Dietmar >> >>> >> >>>_______________________________________________ >> >>>Speakup mailing list >> >>>Speakup@linux-speakup.org >> >>>http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Well that's it then, colour me secure! >> >> >> >> -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- >> >> Version: GnuPG v1 >> >> >> >> mQENBFYV5DMBCAC060mbsnLhGPjnFkf0R0p+7MxcfxlOuy5wc8y59y9ZNF0RZD1s >> >> OTEsDih4vD9YJ3zA78VsBUDK47aiDWduh3nHzYN2ZSuxAQ9u7qPqphCG0jPagTU8 >> >> p7+Ceeya4I5odWtq+Nkf1UrHB7KKEtexphStSwUG5Bhi4bb84YinmX/a3I+OGV1D >> >> by4QBSdPvSuDw0qFkt/ucLyEwv4L6lDjoH2GF+tnCew4SJtliJFvA1k7NpWO6HW9 >> >> aWtBxfYU85ccZKBSE25y+9KprUCncVTpaVs3FztCWG0dQRXHvEbV+Damp/IBd9Jv >> >> HZX7azqbERUa/FjPTIlZhhI9VtaZaFfJSH+5ABEBAAG0HUtpcmsgUmVpc2VyIDxr >> >> aXJrQHJlaXNlcnMuY2E+iQE+BBMBAgAoBQJWFeQzAhsDBQkADS8ABgsJCAcDAgYV >> >> CAIJCgsEFgIDAQIeAQIXgAAKCRAHTEsk7UQUUoeuB/wIqsdLCfDrSvr3qg7rKBDg >> >> ru44OMuRit6hbdWFZjmxccCdjeNhBJRVd5wrEqjj5YoqQAhmacXaEB0DO/TZlDgo >> >> kUfJM7lrtQD4mYU9GVtrzJxCJoBUyeMVnMJt39F91tBu0mYM6oI/dv81dwxIv++4 >> >> hj55TZ4GG7DGYAy4LwNb+noNbivgOFHlnfNq8nxhZkHbJdYKP+sptZOL5sagmBQZ >> >> iS9STB54g/U7Jtt1Fe+JwDmbxQhbSHa9JuWn0xZ8CtYhrz06xSqZl5vpMlak3eW2 >> >> x6m6IcqZfyuI2K7W/9BCgcsQyYzufO4Gk9KyPNISskX6pFBLuNxIH6hdfxSYYm9y >> >> uQENBFYV5DMBCACtMyhHog5MR6eQUPTx7fWH5ntkgCtmWvQp4lcKj0HHbteDWglS >> >> NVbWKWEk9PAKA4UeQVUH4vOhTRhAPpuDUavLdp2tDtT7ZBVh91B3AWIM6+7fIvyU >> >> 2uYt1q/CNjga8RllXBT7mW2zHGEYQFIkBJvqlU0PN1HlxRZIbSSEb+zQuVAd+ph3 >> >> kt/oZon3ZbNmKg+arsYMmKkYJ0REwKQib7h5Xl31aK74XmWBp2Ky+lopsJSP8wpH >> >> AfC71h4s3LDm8ADHF1Ns4KuGZdLTugr8uiPm5kEJFGes1uYKy8R7OTFko0NEuJkv >> >> STfpPYnTU2qDCJBH08zZErI/6YBIlSsCSde3ABEBAAGJASUEGAECAA8FAlYV5DMC >> >> GwwFCQANLwAACgkQB0xLJO1EFFKAmgf/d3dk1/HgmF8rmvYVru/hJvmIpmiLqPl5 >> >> bYSwdZeU+k82qp3xACM2yMJhOh89SgHsaaqQAE1qo5rAJcSG7/+7M/kzf4u/WM/E >> >> unXDtLkbzi5Zl+gjoikrfOhgF0NmuGdlrOme8a6ue7+iE4XLAo0/jhVlh45O6Iq0 >> >> 0DGyeFr22cR3jZj4wRmPw5zj4r/sWc06UfquVAEMmfIvJMaGYvwBI+TU6gI8MjLe >> >> VDY0vay/nQ79fXSLQmYEvjwKXIavQu9c8TFt0z9EDdoIMx69ZunqZuYQInxaT+cL >> >> i9zhihMGz4XA1q3blLNX3I0jWzAa23ZchI7htc3kfxp1jWqrGyGEIg== >> >> =nrPH >> >> -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Speakup mailing list >> >> Speakup@linux-speakup.org >> >> http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Speakup mailing list >> > Speakup@linux-speakup.org >> > http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Speakup mailing list >> Speakup@linux-speakup.org >> http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@linux-speakup.org > http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup -- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: Using console text editors with Speakup ` Dietmar Segbert ` Tom Fowle @ ` Chime Hart 1 sibling, 0 replies; 12+ messages in thread From: Chime Hart @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. While this is not about VI or vim, I notice in nano when running search-and-replace, even when it finds items, nano will say "not found" I suppose I should also post on a help nano list. This seems quite missleading. Thanks in advance Chime ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
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* Re: Using console text editors with Speakup [not found] ` <49765e38-3e16-ce94-ded8-1bfff8732f0f@gmail.com> @ ` Kirk Reiser 0 siblings, 0 replies; 12+ messages in thread From: Kirk Reiser @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: James Austin; +Cc: speakup Hi again James: Yes that was the speakup list you asked on. I believe we are having this conversation off the list or my filter is catching these messages before being sifted to the list. I don't use vi so can't answer your question. about that. There are lots of vi users though so maybe someone else will have a suggestion. I don't really have much to do with the daily up keep or modification of speakup. There are very many new and talented users which have taken over that role. I am mostly a sideline kibitzer these days if anything. I will Cc this reply back to the list so hopefully someone else will answer your vi question Kirk On Fri, 28 Jul 2017, James Austin wrote: > Hi Kirk > > Thanks for the pointers. I may be being dense here, but I thought this was > the Speakup mailing list, or are there several You have all been extremely > helpful thus far, so thank you. > > VIM is still being problematic with Speakup. I am unable to navigate up and > ddown using J and K,. The arrow keys seem to work though. A fantastic Screen > Reader, thank you for all of your hard work. > > Best wishes > > James > > > On 28/07/2017 12:04, Kirk Reiser wrote: >> Hello James: No I don't know of any documentation specifically aimed >> at text editors. The only documentation there really is is the speakup >> users guide on the web site. I'm sure there's a manual for emacspeak >> but I've never looked at it. There is extended documentation for emacs >> itself though, which you can access with the 'c-h t' and 'c-h i' >> commands from inside emacs. c-h t is an emacs tutorial. >> >> The speakup mailing list is a very good resource for most queries and >> the folks are quite helpful. >> >> Good luck. >> Kirk >> >> On Thu, 27 Jul 2017, James Austin wrote: >> >>> Hi Kirk >>> >>> Thank you for the warm welcome and the advice. Do you know of any setup >>> guides to using Speakup with text editors such as Emacs or VI please? >>> >>> I hope to be able to contribute to this list at some point. >>> >>> Best wishes and thanks again >>> >>> James >>> >>> >>> On 27/07/2017 13:36, Kirk Reiser wrote: >>>> Hello James: Welcome to linux and speakup. Pretty much all of the >>>> editors work with speakup although with varying levels of >>>> accessibility. Vi is a favourite and Samuel has mentioned the >>>> configuration change to make it work better. I myself use emacs and >>>> find it works very well although I find silencing the status line >>>> helps a lot. The simple editors also work but have different >>>> foibles. There is also emacspeak wich is T.V. Ramans emacs speech >>>> interface which I understand works quite nicely. >>>> >>>> Enjoy. >>>> Kirk >>>> >>>> On Wed, 26 Jul 2017, James Austin wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hello >>>>> >>>>> I am not sure if this is the right forum to ask this question, so >>>>> apologies if not. Please feel free to point me to the correct place. But >>>>> here goes. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I am quite a new or should I say casual Linux user. I am currently using >>>>> the latest LTS of Ubuntu running in a VM. After days of searching and >>>>> tinkering, I finally have Speakup working. Yay! I am really impressed >>>>> with it, so thank you. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Could anyone please give me some pointers on using VI or VIM or some >>>>> other console editor with Speakup please? When I navigate using the VIM >>>>> key bindings, Speakup either does not respond, or does so >>>>> intermittently. Am I missing something that I should have set? >>>>> >>>>> I am quite comfortable moving around the filesystem, having been an OS X >>>>> user for over ten years and doing a lot of command line work in that >>>>> time. >>>>> >>>>> Thank you >>>>> >>>>> Best >>>>> >>>>> James >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Speakup mailing list >>>>> Speakup@linux-speakup.org >>>>> http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup >>>>> >>>> >>> >> > -- Well that's it then, colour me secure! -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: GnuPG v1 mQENBFYV5DMBCAC060mbsnLhGPjnFkf0R0p+7MxcfxlOuy5wc8y59y9ZNF0RZD1s OTEsDih4vD9YJ3zA78VsBUDK47aiDWduh3nHzYN2ZSuxAQ9u7qPqphCG0jPagTU8 p7+Ceeya4I5odWtq+Nkf1UrHB7KKEtexphStSwUG5Bhi4bb84YinmX/a3I+OGV1D by4QBSdPvSuDw0qFkt/ucLyEwv4L6lDjoH2GF+tnCew4SJtliJFvA1k7NpWO6HW9 aWtBxfYU85ccZKBSE25y+9KprUCncVTpaVs3FztCWG0dQRXHvEbV+Damp/IBd9Jv HZX7azqbERUa/FjPTIlZhhI9VtaZaFfJSH+5ABEBAAG0HUtpcmsgUmVpc2VyIDxr aXJrQHJlaXNlcnMuY2E+iQE+BBMBAgAoBQJWFeQzAhsDBQkADS8ABgsJCAcDAgYV CAIJCgsEFgIDAQIeAQIXgAAKCRAHTEsk7UQUUoeuB/wIqsdLCfDrSvr3qg7rKBDg ru44OMuRit6hbdWFZjmxccCdjeNhBJRVd5wrEqjj5YoqQAhmacXaEB0DO/TZlDgo kUfJM7lrtQD4mYU9GVtrzJxCJoBUyeMVnMJt39F91tBu0mYM6oI/dv81dwxIv++4 hj55TZ4GG7DGYAy4LwNb+noNbivgOFHlnfNq8nxhZkHbJdYKP+sptZOL5sagmBQZ iS9STB54g/U7Jtt1Fe+JwDmbxQhbSHa9JuWn0xZ8CtYhrz06xSqZl5vpMlak3eW2 x6m6IcqZfyuI2K7W/9BCgcsQyYzufO4Gk9KyPNISskX6pFBLuNxIH6hdfxSYYm9y uQENBFYV5DMBCACtMyhHog5MR6eQUPTx7fWH5ntkgCtmWvQp4lcKj0HHbteDWglS NVbWKWEk9PAKA4UeQVUH4vOhTRhAPpuDUavLdp2tDtT7ZBVh91B3AWIM6+7fIvyU 2uYt1q/CNjga8RllXBT7mW2zHGEYQFIkBJvqlU0PN1HlxRZIbSSEb+zQuVAd+ph3 kt/oZon3ZbNmKg+arsYMmKkYJ0REwKQib7h5Xl31aK74XmWBp2Ky+lopsJSP8wpH AfC71h4s3LDm8ADHF1Ns4KuGZdLTugr8uiPm5kEJFGes1uYKy8R7OTFko0NEuJkv STfpPYnTU2qDCJBH08zZErI/6YBIlSsCSde3ABEBAAGJASUEGAECAA8FAlYV5DMC GwwFCQANLwAACgkQB0xLJO1EFFKAmgf/d3dk1/HgmF8rmvYVru/hJvmIpmiLqPl5 bYSwdZeU+k82qp3xACM2yMJhOh89SgHsaaqQAE1qo5rAJcSG7/+7M/kzf4u/WM/E unXDtLkbzi5Zl+gjoikrfOhgF0NmuGdlrOme8a6ue7+iE4XLAo0/jhVlh45O6Iq0 0DGyeFr22cR3jZj4wRmPw5zj4r/sWc06UfquVAEMmfIvJMaGYvwBI+TU6gI8MjLe VDY0vay/nQ79fXSLQmYEvjwKXIavQu9c8TFt0z9EDdoIMx69ZunqZuYQInxaT+cL i9zhihMGz4XA1q3blLNX3I0jWzAa23ZchI7htc3kfxp1jWqrGyGEIg== =nrPH -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
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