Using console text editors with Speakup

Using console text editors with Speakup

[James Austin]

Hello

I am not sure if this is the right forum to ask this question, so 
apologies if not. Please feel free to point me to the correct place. But 
here goes.


I am quite a new or should I say casual Linux user. I am currently using 
the latest LTS of Ubuntu running in a VM. After days of searching and 
tinkering, I finally have Speakup working. Yay! I am really impressed 
with it, so thank you.


Could anyone please give me some pointers on using VI or VIM or some 
other console editor with Speakup please? When I navigate using the VIM 
key bindings, Speakup either does not respond, or does so 
intermittently. Am I missing something that I should have set?

I am quite comfortable moving around the filesystem, having been an OS X 
user for over ten years and doing a lot of command line work in that time.

Thank you

Best

James

Re: Using console text editors with Speakup

[Samuel Thibault]

James Austin, on mer. 26 juil. 2017 22:21:50 +0100, wrote:
> When I navigate using the VIM key
> bindings, Speakup either does not respond, or does so intermittently. Am I
> missing something that I should have set?

I guess you are missing the 

set noruler

config line, to avoid vim from updating cursor position at the bottom of
the line.

Samuel

Re: Using console text editors with Speakup

[Kirk Reiser]

Hello James: Welcome to linux and speakup. Pretty much all of the
editors work with speakup although with varying levels of
accessibility. Vi is a favourite and Samuel has mentioned the
configuration change to make it work better. I myself use emacs and
find it works very well although I find silencing the status line
helps a lot. The simple editors also work but have different
foibles. There is also emacspeak wich is T.V. Ramans emacs speech
interface which I understand works quite nicely.

Enjoy.
   Kirk

On Wed, 26 Jul 2017, James Austin wrote:

> Hello
>
> I am not sure if this is the right forum to ask this question, so 
> apologies if not. Please feel free to point me to the correct place. But 
> here goes.
>
>
> I am quite a new or should I say casual Linux user. I am currently using 
> the latest LTS of Ubuntu running in a VM. After days of searching and 
> tinkering, I finally have Speakup working. Yay! I am really impressed 
> with it, so thank you.
>
>
> Could anyone please give me some pointers on using VI or VIM or some 
> other console editor with Speakup please? When I navigate using the VIM 
> key bindings, Speakup either does not respond, or does so 
> intermittently. Am I missing something that I should have set?
>
> I am quite comfortable moving around the filesystem, having been an OS X 
> user for over ten years and doing a lot of command line work in that time.
>
> Thank you
>
> Best
>
> James
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@linux-speakup.org
> http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

-- 
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Re: Using console text editors with Speakup

[Janina Sajka]

Hi, 

Quick comment just in case context isn't obvious ...

Samuel Thibault writes:
> > When I navigate using the VIM key
> > bindings, Speakup either does not respond, or does so intermittently. Am I
> > missing something that I should have set?
> 
> I guess you are missing the 
> 
> set noruler
> 
> config line, to avoid vim from updating cursor position at the bottom of
> the line.
> 

Note this directive goes in your $HOME/.vimrc file. 

Janina

> Samuel
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@linux-speakup.org
> http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup

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Re: Using console text editors with Speakup

[Dietmar Segbert]

Hello Kirk,


> kirk@reisers.ca schrieb am 27.07.17:
> find it works very well although I find silencing the status line
> helps a lot. The simple editors also work but have different
In joe the row and col will be spoken, how can i turn off in spekaup?

Thanks und regards

Dietmar

Re: Using console text editors with Speakup

[Kirk Reiser]

Hello Dietmar: I don't use joe so all I can tell you is find where the
row and column numbers are shown and then mark that area to be
silent. You set a silence are by placing your reading cursor at the
first position of the window you wish to silence and hitting
speakup-f1. Move the reading cursor to the end of the area to be
silenced and hit speakup-f1 again. Then you do speakup-f4 to silence
that window/area. The details should be discussed in the speakup users
guide on the web site.

Good luck.
   Kirk

On Thu, 27 Jul 2017, Dietmar Segbert wrote:

> Hello Kirk,
>
>
>> kirk@reisers.ca schrieb am 27.07.17:
>> find it works very well although I find silencing the status line
>> helps a lot. The simple editors also work but have different
> In joe the row and col will be spoken, how can i turn off in spekaup?
>
> Thanks und regards
>
> Dietmar
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@linux-speakup.org
> http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup

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Re: Using console text editors with Speakup

[Kirk Reiser]

Hi again James: Yes that was the speakup list you asked on. I believe
we are having this conversation off the list or my filter is catching
these messages before being sifted to the list.

I don't use vi so can't answer your question. about that. There are
lots of vi users though so maybe someone else will have a suggestion.

I don't really have much to do with the daily up keep or modification
of speakup. There are very many new and talented users which have
taken over that role. I am mostly a sideline kibitzer these days if
anything.

I will Cc this reply back to the list so hopefully someone else will
answer your vi question

   Kirk

On Fri, 28 Jul 2017, James Austin wrote:

> Hi Kirk
>
> Thanks for the pointers. I may be being dense here, but I thought this was 
> the Speakup mailing list, or are there several You have all been extremely 
> helpful thus far, so thank you.
>
> VIM is still being problematic with Speakup. I am unable to navigate up and 
> ddown using J and K,. The arrow keys seem to work though. A fantastic Screen 
> Reader, thank you for all of your hard work.
>
> Best wishes
>
> James
>
>
> On 28/07/2017 12:04, Kirk Reiser wrote:
>> Hello James: No I don't know of any documentation specifically aimed
>> at text editors. The only documentation there really is is the speakup
>> users guide on the web site. I'm sure there's a manual for emacspeak
>> but I've never looked at it. There is extended documentation for emacs
>> itself though, which you can access with the 'c-h t' and 'c-h i'
>> commands from inside emacs. c-h t is an emacs tutorial.
>> 
>> The speakup mailing list is a very good resource for most queries and
>> the folks are quite helpful.
>> 
>> Good luck.
>>   Kirk
>> 
>> On Thu, 27 Jul 2017, James Austin wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Kirk
>>> 
>>> Thank you for the warm welcome and the advice. Do you know of any setup 
>>> guides to using Speakup with text editors such as Emacs or VI please?
>>> 
>>> I hope to be able to contribute to this list at some point.
>>> 
>>> Best wishes and thanks again
>>> 
>>> James
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 27/07/2017 13:36, Kirk Reiser wrote:
>>>> Hello James: Welcome to linux and speakup. Pretty much all of the
>>>> editors work with speakup although with varying levels of
>>>> accessibility. Vi is a favourite and Samuel has mentioned the
>>>> configuration change to make it work better. I myself use emacs and
>>>> find it works very well although I find silencing the status line
>>>> helps a lot. The simple editors also work but have different
>>>> foibles. There is also emacspeak wich is T.V. Ramans emacs speech
>>>> interface which I understand works quite nicely.
>>>> 
>>>> Enjoy.
>>>>   Kirk
>>>> 
>>>> On Wed, 26 Jul 2017, James Austin wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hello
>>>>> 
>>>>> I am not sure if this is the right forum to ask this question, so 
>>>>> apologies if not. Please feel free to point me to the correct place. But 
>>>>> here goes.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> I am quite a new or should I say casual Linux user. I am currently using 
>>>>> the latest LTS of Ubuntu running in a VM. After days of searching and 
>>>>> tinkering, I finally have Speakup working. Yay! I am really impressed 
>>>>> with it, so thank you.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Could anyone please give me some pointers on using VI or VIM or some 
>>>>> other console editor with Speakup please? When I navigate using the VIM 
>>>>> key bindings, Speakup either does not respond, or does so 
>>>>> intermittently. Am I missing something that I should have set?
>>>>> 
>>>>> I am quite comfortable moving around the filesystem, having been an OS X 
>>>>> user for over ten years and doing a lot of command line work in that 
>>>>> time.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thank you
>>>>> 
>>>>> Best
>>>>> 
>>>>> James
>>>>> 
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Speakup mailing list
>>>>> Speakup@linux-speakup.org
>>>>> http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>

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Re: Using console text editors with Speakup

[Tom Fowle]

Dietmer,
Look at .joerc file in your home directory there is an entry that controls
what is displayed on the status line and here you can remove row and collumn
display if you don't want them. I believe there is a clock display there
also you may not want to talk a lot.

Be sure to read how to change entries in .joerc as it's a matter of indents
in some cases.

tom Fowle

On Fri, Jul 28, 2017 at 07:17:08AM -0400, Kirk Reiser wrote:
> Hello Dietmar: I don't use joe so all I can tell you is find where the
> row and column numbers are shown and then mark that area to be
> silent. You set a silence are by placing your reading cursor at the
> first position of the window you wish to silence and hitting
> speakup-f1. Move the reading cursor to the end of the area to be
> silenced and hit speakup-f1 again. Then you do speakup-f4 to silence
> that window/area. The details should be discussed in the speakup users
> guide on the web site.
> 
> Good luck.
>   Kirk
> 
> On Thu, 27 Jul 2017, Dietmar Segbert wrote:
> 
> >Hello Kirk,
> >
> >
> >>kirk@reisers.ca schrieb am 27.07.17:
> >>find it works very well although I find silencing the status line
> >>helps a lot. The simple editors also work but have different
> >In joe the row and col will be spoken, how can i turn off in spekaup?
> >
> >Thanks und regards
> >
> >Dietmar
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >Speakup mailing list
> >Speakup@linux-speakup.org
> >http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 
> -- 
> Well that's it then, colour me secure!
> 
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> http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: Using console text editors with Speakup

[Dietmar Segbert]

Hello Tom,

thanks, i will look for the joerc file and test.

Regards

Dietmar


> wa6ivgtf@fastmail.fm schrieb am 30.07.17:

> Dietmer,
> Look at .joerc file in your home directory there is an entry that controls
> what is displayed on the status line and here you can remove row and collumn
> display if you don't want them. I believe there is a clock display there
> also you may not want to talk a lot.

> Be sure to read how to change entries in .joerc as it's a matter of indents
> in some cases.

> tom Fowle

> On Fri, Jul 28, 2017 at 07:17:08AM -0400, Kirk Reiser wrote:
>> Hello Dietmar: I don't use joe so all I can tell you is find where the
>> row and column numbers are shown and then mark that area to be
>> silent. You set a silence are by placing your reading cursor at the
>> first position of the window you wish to silence and hitting
>> speakup-f1. Move the reading cursor to the end of the area to be
>> silenced and hit speakup-f1 again. Then you do speakup-f4 to silence
>> that window/area. The details should be discussed in the speakup users
>> guide on the web site.
>>
>> Good luck.
>>   Kirk
>>
>> On Thu, 27 Jul 2017, Dietmar Segbert wrote:
>>
>>>Hello Kirk,
>>>
>>>
>>>>kirk@reisers.ca schrieb am 27.07.17:
>>>>find it works very well although I find silencing the status line
>>>>helps a lot. The simple editors also work but have different
>>>In joe the row and col will be spoken, how can i turn off in spekaup?
>>>
>>>Thanks und regards
>>>
>>>Dietmar
>>>
>>>_______________________________________________
>>>Speakup mailing list
>>>Speakup@linux-speakup.org
>>>http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>>
>> --
>> Well that's it then, colour me secure!
>>
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Re: Using console text editors with Speakup

[Tom Fowle]

Dietmar,
Note that the file has or may have that old leading "dot" that makes it a
hidden file.
.joerc
It's extensive and the status line is way down below all the color stuff
<BORING>
Tom Fowle

On Sun, Jul 30, 2017 at 08:05:00AM +0000, Dietmar Segbert wrote:
> Hello Tom,
> 
> thanks, i will look for the joerc file and test.
> 
> Regards
> 
> Dietmar
> 
> 
> > wa6ivgtf@fastmail.fm schrieb am 30.07.17:
> 
> > Dietmer,
> > Look at .joerc file in your home directory there is an entry that controls
> > what is displayed on the status line and here you can remove row and collumn
> > display if you don't want them. I believe there is a clock display there
> > also you may not want to talk a lot.
> 
> > Be sure to read how to change entries in .joerc as it's a matter of indents
> > in some cases.
> 
> > tom Fowle
> 
> > On Fri, Jul 28, 2017 at 07:17:08AM -0400, Kirk Reiser wrote:
> >> Hello Dietmar: I don't use joe so all I can tell you is find where the
> >> row and column numbers are shown and then mark that area to be
> >> silent. You set a silence are by placing your reading cursor at the
> >> first position of the window you wish to silence and hitting
> >> speakup-f1. Move the reading cursor to the end of the area to be
> >> silenced and hit speakup-f1 again. Then you do speakup-f4 to silence
> >> that window/area. The details should be discussed in the speakup users
> >> guide on the web site.
> >>
> >> Good luck.
> >>   Kirk
> >>
> >> On Thu, 27 Jul 2017, Dietmar Segbert wrote:
> >>
> >>>Hello Kirk,
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>kirk@reisers.ca schrieb am 27.07.17:
> >>>>find it works very well although I find silencing the status line
> >>>>helps a lot. The simple editors also work but have different
> >>>In joe the row and col will be spoken, how can i turn off in spekaup?
> >>>
> >>>Thanks und regards
> >>>
> >>>Dietmar
> >>>
> >>>_______________________________________________
> >>>Speakup mailing list
> >>>Speakup@linux-speakup.org
> >>>http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >>
> >> --
> >> Well that's it then, colour me secure!
> >>
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> >> http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@linux-speakup.org
> > http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 
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Re: Using console text editors with Speakup

[Jude DaShiell]

grep can help cut the boring out.
grep -in status .joerc will show all lines with line numbers in .joerc 
with status on them and be case-insensitive about that search too.  If 
another editor can be opened on .joerc with the first line number of 
interest then configuration improvement can happen more quickly with 
less boredom.
Use of sed can be quite effective with the correct sed script too.


On Sun, 30 Jul 2017, Tom Fowle wrote:

> Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2017 23:06:04
> From: Tom Fowle <wa6ivgtf@fastmail.fm>
> Reply-To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
>     <speakup@linux-speakup.org>
> To: speakup@linux-speakup.org
> Subject: Re: Using console text editors with Speakup
> 
> Dietmar,
> Note that the file has or may have that old leading "dot" that makes it a
> hidden file.
> .joerc
> It's extensive and the status line is way down below all the color stuff
> <BORING>
> Tom Fowle
>
> On Sun, Jul 30, 2017 at 08:05:00AM +0000, Dietmar Segbert wrote:
>> Hello Tom,
>> 
>> thanks, i will look for the joerc file and test.
>> 
>> Regards
>> 
>> Dietmar
>> 
>> 
>> > wa6ivgtf@fastmail.fm schrieb am 30.07.17:
>> 
>> > Dietmer,
>> > Look at .joerc file in your home directory there is an entry that controls
>> > what is displayed on the status line and here you can remove row and collumn
>> > display if you don't want them. I believe there is a clock display there
>> > also you may not want to talk a lot.
>> 
>> > Be sure to read how to change entries in .joerc as it's a matter of indents
>> > in some cases.
>> 
>> > tom Fowle
>> 
>> > On Fri, Jul 28, 2017 at 07:17:08AM -0400, Kirk Reiser wrote:
>> >> Hello Dietmar: I don't use joe so all I can tell you is find where the
>> >> row and column numbers are shown and then mark that area to be
>> >> silent. You set a silence are by placing your reading cursor at the
>> >> first position of the window you wish to silence and hitting
>> >> speakup-f1. Move the reading cursor to the end of the area to be
>> >> silenced and hit speakup-f1 again. Then you do speakup-f4 to silence
>> >> that window/area. The details should be discussed in the speakup users
>> >> guide on the web site.
>> >>
>> >> Good luck.
>> >>   Kirk
>> >>
>> >> On Thu, 27 Jul 2017, Dietmar Segbert wrote:
>> >>
>> >>>Hello Kirk,
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>>kirk@reisers.ca schrieb am 27.07.17:
>> >>>>find it works very well although I find silencing the status line
>> >>>>helps a lot. The simple editors also work but have different
>> >>>In joe the row and col will be spoken, how can i turn off in spekaup?
>> >>>
>> >>>Thanks und regards
>> >>>
>> >>>Dietmar
>> >>>
>> >>>_______________________________________________
>> >>>Speakup mailing list
>> >>>Speakup@linux-speakup.org
>> >>>http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Well that's it then, colour me secure!
>> >>
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Re: Using console text editors with Speakup

[Chime Hart]

While this is not about VI or vim, I notice in nano when running 
search-and-replace, even when it finds items, nano will say "not found"  I 
suppose I should also post on a help nano list. This seems quite missleading. 
Thanks in advance
Chime