RE: [Fwd: Re: Adding speech to IFL]

RE: [Fwd: Re: Adding speech to IFL]

[erik heil]

Hi.
Well their is one solution called mondo. One of its strengths is that it can do complete bare metal restores. 

-----Original Message-----
From: Tony Baechler <tony@baechler.net>
Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 7:55 AM
To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
Subject: [Fwd: Re: Adding speech to IFL]

Hi all,

Yes, I realize that this is not open source software and will turn off 
many of you, but it is a good disk imaging and backup program and I 
highly recommend it.  It is rare that a commercial company will go out 
of their way to support the blind community and especially a relatively 
small project like Speakup, so I would encourage you to please take a 
look at this.  If there are free software alternatives that work as well 
and have the current Speakup from git built-in, I'm certainly not aware 
of them.  If you register, I think you get free upgrades for life but 
you would need to check the site.  They also offer Image for DOS and 
Windows, both of which are very accessible.  I find their software far 
better and easier to work with than Ghost which I couldn't use at all.  
I suppose one could use dd which is part of coreutils, but it doesn't 
offer compression and would still require a live or rescue CD to use 
outside the boot drive.



-------- Original Message --------
Subject: 	Re: Adding speech to IFL
Date: 	Fri, 13 Mar 2009 11:52:02 -0400
From: 	TeraByte Support (TP) <tomp@terabyteunlimited.com>
Organization: 	TeraByte Unlimited
To: 	Tony Baechler <tony@baechler.net>
References: 	<49B66FF4.90107@optonline.net> 
<49B693E1.9060406@terabyteunlimited.com> <49B7C966.1010302@baechler.net>



Hi Tony,

I got delayed by other issues yesterday, but I'm now making the test
copy with Speakup 3.0.3 available at the following link:
http://tpdirect.homeip.net:1081/ifl-speakup-unreg.zip

The zip file there includes the iflnet.iso file, a readme file, and the
spkguide.txt file that comes with Speakup. The readme file hopefully
explains the rest well enough for users to try it.

Please note that this ISO file contains the trial (unregistered) version
of IFL 2.26. I asked, but am not able to provide the registered version
for this test. Hopefully, that will be OK.

I will keep the test version available at that link for as long as
necessary - or at least a week or s

[The entire original message is not included]

Re: [Fwd: Re: Adding speech to IFL]

[Tony Baechler]

Yes, but does it include Speakup on the boot CD?  There's clonezilla 
also but I don't think it supports Speakup out of the box.  Image For 
Linux also backs up to network or USB from the CD which I don't know if 
the others do or not.

erik heil wrote:
> Hi.
> Well their is one solution called mondo. One of its strengths is that it can do complete bare metal restores. 
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tony Baechler <tony@baechler.net>
> Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 7:55 AM
> To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> Subject: [Fwd: Re: Adding speech to IFL]
>
> Hi all,
>
> Yes, I realize that this is not open source software and will turn off 
> many of you, but it is a good disk imaging and backup program and I 
> highly recommend it.  It is rare that a commercial company will go out 
> of their way to support the blind community and especially a relatively 
> small project like Speakup, so I would encourage you to please take a 
> look at this.  If there are free software alternatives that work as well 
> and have the current Speakup from git built-in, I'm certainly not aware 
> of them.  If you register, I think you get free upgrades for life but 
> you would need to check the site.  They also offer Image for DOS and 
> Windows, both of which are very accessible.  I find their software far 
> better and easier to work with than Ghost which I couldn't use at all.  
> I suppose one could use dd which is part of coreutils, but it doesn't 
> offer compression and would still require a live or rescue CD to use 
> outside the boot drive.
>
>
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: 	Re: Adding speech to IFL
> Date: 	Fri, 13 Mar 2009 11:52:02 -0400
> From: 	TeraByte Support (TP) <tomp@terabyteunlimited.com>
> Organization: 	TeraByte Unlimited
> To: 	Tony Baechler <tony@baechler.net>
> References: 	<49B66FF4.90107@optonline.net> 
> <49B693E1.9060406@terabyteunlimited.com> <49B7C966.1010302@baechler.net>
>
>
>
> Hi Tony,
>
> I got delayed by other issues yesterday, but I'm now making the test
> copy with Speakup 3.0.3 available at the following link:
> http://tpdirect.homeip.net:1081/ifl-speakup-unreg.zip
>
> The zip file there includes the iflnet.iso file, a readme file, and the
> spkguide.txt file that comes with Speakup. The readme file hopefully
> explains the rest well enough for users to try it.
>
> Please note that this ISO file contains the trial (unregistered) version
> of IFL 2.26. I asked, but am not able to provide the registered version
> for this test. Hopefully, that will be OK.
>
> I will keep the test version available at that link for as long as
> necessary - or at least a week or s
>
> [The entire original message is not included]
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
>
>   

RE: [Fwd: Re: Adding speech to IFL]

[Marcel Oats]

What's it like for access though?
I like the fact that Terabyte's software has always been 
straightforward, but can achieve the same goal as other products.
Marcel
At 02:51 a.m. 15/03/2009, you wrote:
>Hi.
>Well their is one solution called mondo. One of its strengths is 
>that it can do complete bare metal restores.

Re: [Fwd: Re: Adding speech to IFL]

[Tony Baechler]

My understanding is that mono makes a boot disk which isn't accessible 
at this time.  I think you have to have a working system to install it 
and I don't know if it supports non-Linux partitions.  I haven't used it 
but looked at the web site.

Marcel Oats wrote:
> What's it like for access though?
> I like the fact that Terabyte's software has always been 
> straightforward, but can achieve the same goal as other products.
> Marcel
> At 02:51 a.m. 15/03/2009, you wrote:
>> Hi.
>> Well their is one solution called mondo. One of its strengths is that 
>> it can do complete bare metal restores.
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
>

Re: [Fwd: Re: Adding speech to IFL]

[Marcel Oats]

This thread is rather timely for me as I'm in a situation where we 
are imaging computers in various situations.  I did send a message to 
Terabyte's general support asking about adding speakup, and forwarded 
it to Tom last night.  My suggestion was to also have something like 
Espeakup available, but that'd mean sound drivers and perhaps bloting 
the kernel, but that way we could use it on the newer systems which 
do not have a serial port.
Anyway, we'll see what happens.
I've always liked TB's stuff.
Marcel
At 04:03 a.m. 17/03/2009, you wrote:
>My understanding is that mono makes a boot disk which isn't 
>accessible at this time.  I think you have to have a working system 
>to install it and I don't know if it supports non-Linux 
>partitions.  I haven't used it but looked at the web site.

Re: [Fwd: Re: Adding speech to IFL]

[Brian Moore]

the default ifl iso will enable an ssh server which will get an address from dhcp and call itself ifl on the lan.  I have interfaced over ssh to manipulate machines.  while speakup would be better, the ssh server does work alright.

it will image linux partitions as well as fat32 ntfs etc.  you have to use linux naming conventions for your drives and partityions but it works.

Brian.

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Marcel Oats 
  To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. 
  Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 2:03 PM
  Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: Adding speech to IFL]


  This thread is rather timely for me as I'm in a situation where we 
  are imaging computers in various situations.  I did send a message to 
  Terabyte's general support asking about adding speakup, and forwarded 
  it to Tom last night.  My suggestion was to also have something like 
  Espeakup available, but that'd mean sound drivers and perhaps bloting 
  the kernel, but that way we could use it on the newer systems which 
  do not have a serial port.
  Anyway, we'll see what happens.
  I've always liked TB's stuff.
  Marcel
  At 04:03 a.m. 17/03/2009, you wrote:
  >My understanding is that mono makes a boot disk which isn't 
  >accessible at this time.  I think you have to have a working system 
  >to install it and I don't know if it supports non-Linux 
  >partitions.  I haven't used it but looked at the web site.

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  Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
  http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup


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Re: [Fwd: Re: Adding speech to IFL]

[Tony Baechler]

Did you get the message I posted to the list about this?  I got TBI to 
add Speakup to IFL 2.26.  Please test if you have access to a hardware 
synthesizer.  If you need the message again, let me know and I'll send 
again.

Brian Moore wrote:
> the default ifl iso will enable an ssh server which will get an address from dhcp and call itself ifl on the lan.  I have interfaced over ssh to manipulate machines.  while speakup would be better, the ssh server does work alright.
>
> it will image linux partitions as well as fat32 ntfs etc.  you have to use linux naming conventions for your drives and partityions but it works.
>   

Re: [Fwd: Re: Adding speech to IFL]

[Brian Moore]

no, I didn't.  this would be very cool.

Brian----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Tony Baechler 
  To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. 
  Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 7:40 AM
  Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: Adding speech to IFL]


  Did you get the message I posted to the list about this?  I got TBI to 
  add Speakup to IFL 2.26.  Please test if you have access to a hardware 
  synthesizer.  If you need the message again, let me know and I'll send 
  again.

  Brian Moore wrote:
  > the default ifl iso will enable an ssh server which will get an address from dhcp and call itself ifl on the lan.  I have interfaced over ssh to manipulate machines.  while speakup would be better, the ssh server does work alright.
  >
  > it will image linux partitions as well as fat32 ntfs etc.  you have to use linux naming conventions for your drives and partityions but it works.
  >   

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  Speakup mailing list
  Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
  http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup


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[Fwd: Re: Adding speech to IFL]

[Tony Baechler]

Hi all,

Yes, I realize that this is not open source software and will turn off 
many of you, but it is a good disk imaging and backup program and I 
highly recommend it.  It is rare that a commercial company will go out 
of their way to support the blind community and especially a relatively 
small project like Speakup, so I would encourage you to please take a 
look at this.  If there are free software alternatives that work as well 
and have the current Speakup from git built-in, I'm certainly not aware 
of them.  If you register, I think you get free upgrades for life but 
you would need to check the site.  They also offer Image for DOS and 
Windows, both of which are very accessible.  I find their software far 
better and easier to work with than Ghost which I couldn't use at all.  
I suppose one could use dd which is part of coreutils, but it doesn't 
offer compression and would still require a live or rescue CD to use 
outside the boot drive.



-------- Original Message --------
Subject: 	Re: Adding speech to IFL
Date: 	Fri, 13 Mar 2009 11:52:02 -0400
From: 	TeraByte Support (TP) <tomp@terabyteunlimited.com>
Organization: 	TeraByte Unlimited
To: 	Tony Baechler <tony@baechler.net>
References: 	<49B66FF4.90107@optonline.net> 
<49B693E1.9060406@terabyteunlimited.com> <49B7C966.1010302@baechler.net>



Hi Tony,

I got delayed by other issues yesterday, but I'm now making the test
copy with Speakup 3.0.3 available at the following link:
http://tpdirect.homeip.net:1081/ifl-speakup-unreg.zip

The zip file there includes the iflnet.iso file, a readme file, and the
spkguide.txt file that comes with Speakup. The readme file hopefully
explains the rest well enough for users to try it.

Please note that this ISO file contains the trial (unregistered) version
of IFL 2.26. I asked, but am not able to provide the registered version
for this test. Hopefully, that will be OK.

I will keep the test version available at that link for as long as
necessary - or at least a week or so at any rate.

Thanks again for the response, and of course any feedback is very much
welcome. I put my email address in the readme file for users to send
feedback ( tomp@terabyteunlimited.com )

Regards,

-- 
Tom Pfeifer
TeraByte Consultant


Tony Baechler wrote:
> Yes, I'm still very interested!  With the git versions of Speakup, it
> doesn't matter as much if it is compiled as modules or not as it
> apparently doesn't speak every boot message anyway.  The idea behind
> compiling it into the kernel was to keep the size down and to have
> access to all boot messages, but anything is better than nothing. 
> Modules would be fine and probably makes more sense.  Yes, I would like
> to download and try the test image.  I realize that IFL isn't free
> software, but is there any way the rest of the Speakup community could
> test this?  That would test a lot more hardware combinations and
> different synthesizers than I have available here.
> 
> TeraByte Support (TP) wrote:
>> Hi Tony,
>>
>> A while ago, you contacted us about adding speakup to the IFL boot disk.
>>
>> I realize this was over a year ago, but if you are still interested, I
>> can make a test copy of the IFL boot disk ISO file (iflnet.iso)
>> available for download within the next day or so.
>>
>> It will have speakup (version 3.0.3) compiled directly into the kernel,
>> which you indicated was preferable to using modules. Any feedback you
>> could give us would be extremely helpful.
>>
>> Thanks and regards,
>>
>>