Ipods and Itunes - What are they all about?

Ipods and Itunes - What are they all about?

[Georgina Joyce]

Hi All


Could someone explain in simple terms what Itunes and Ipods are all
about?  How different is it from using a standard mp3 player and putting
files into different directories?  Yes you can buy electronic copies of
music from itunes but will they only play on an Ipod?  Are there Ipods
that are accessible now?  Do these linux Ipod tools make storing and
choosing music easy?  I'm guessing Itunes and Ipods  don't handle in any
shape or form with vorbis ogg files?

In short, how accessible is an Ipod and Itunes from the linux platform
and what are the advantages over a standard mp3 player?

Many thanks.

-- 
Gena


four kinds of freedom, for the users of the software:

    * The freedom to run the program, for any purpose (freedom 0).
    * The freedom to study how the program works, and adapt it to your
needs (freedom 1). Access to the source code is a precondition for this.
    * The freedom to redistribute copies so you can help your neighbor
(freedom 2).
    * The freedom to improve the program, and release your improvements
to the public, so that the whole community benefits (freedom 3). Access
to the source code is a precondition for this.

Richard Matthew Stallman

Re: Ipods and Itunes - What are they all about?

[Jason Miller]

Hello

Here is what is with iPods and iTunes. iTunes is the music player that
comes standard with the apple systems, and can be downloaded onto
Windows.

An iPod is like you said, the player. As far as differences with iPods
and other players, there are quite a few. Some of the  iPods now come
accessible out of the box with Macintosh's screen reader built in
(it's called Voice Over). That will read you the song files,
playlists, and do a bunch more apparently. There is a solve all for
older iPods too, up to generation 5.5. It's called rockbox, and
although it's something like the main speakup voice, or the orca for
ubuntu voice, it does the same thing, and it makes the older iPods
accessible. You can go to www.rockbox.org to check out the system,
it's an entire firmware replacement for the iPods, and not just a
screen reader.

As for other differences, you can get iPods up to like 180 GB now of
storage, which you can't do with many (or most of) the other players.
I don't know wat all the iPod supports, but that is where you need
iTunes. You make you playlist, or sync your iPod on iTunes, and it
transfers all of your music, no matter which *supported* extension, to
the iPod in a certain (M4A I think) format.
I hope that helps explain the differences a little.
On 10/26/09, Georgina Joyce <r2gl@o2.co.uk> wrote:
> Hi All
>
>
> Could someone explain in simple terms what Itunes and Ipods are all
> about?  How different is it from using a standard mp3 player and putting
> files into different directories?  Yes you can buy electronic copies of
> music from itunes but will they only play on an Ipod?  Are there Ipods
> that are accessible now?  Do these linux Ipod tools make storing and
> choosing music easy?  I'm guessing Itunes and Ipods  don't handle in any
> shape or form with vorbis ogg files?
>
> In short, how accessible is an Ipod and Itunes from the linux platform
> and what are the advantages over a standard mp3 player?
>
> Many thanks.
>
> --
> Gena
>
>
> four kinds of freedom, for the users of the software:
>
>     * The freedom to run the program, for any purpose (freedom 0).
>     * The freedom to study how the program works, and adapt it to your
> needs (freedom 1). Access to the source code is a precondition for this.
>     * The freedom to redistribute copies so you can help your neighbor
> (freedom 2).
>     * The freedom to improve the program, and release your improvements
> to the public, so that the whole community benefits (freedom 3). Access
> to the source code is a precondition for this.
>
> Richard Matthew Stallman
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

Re: Ipods and Itunes - What are they all about?

[David Poehlman]

actually, mp3s and wavs are supported by itunes transfer to ipod and  
maybe another file format or two.  also, in order to get voice onto  
the ipods other than the ipod touch, you have to get it put on through  
itunes and even on the touch to enable it, you need to do it with  
itunes but this just requires checking a box because everything is  
there.

On Oct 26, 2009, at 2:46 PM, Jason Miller wrote:

Hello

Here is what is with iPods and iTunes. iTunes is the music player that
comes standard with the apple systems, and can be downloaded onto
Windows.

An iPod is like you said, the player. As far as differences with iPods
and other players, there are quite a few. Some of the  iPods now come
accessible out of the box with Macintosh's screen reader built in
(it's called Voice Over). That will read you the song files,
playlists, and do a bunch more apparently. There is a solve all for
older iPods too, up to generation 5.5. It's called rockbox, and
although it's something like the main speakup voice, or the orca for
ubuntu voice, it does the same thing, and it makes the older iPods
accessible. You can go to www.rockbox.org to check out the system,
it's an entire firmware replacement for the iPods, and not just a
screen reader.

As for other differences, you can get iPods up to like 180 GB now of
storage, which you can't do with many (or most of) the other players.
I don't know wat all the iPod supports, but that is where you need
iTunes. You make you playlist, or sync your iPod on iTunes, and it
transfers all of your music, no matter which *supported* extension, to
the iPod in a certain (M4A I think) format.
I hope that helps explain the differences a little.
On 10/26/09, Georgina Joyce <r2gl@o2.co.uk> wrote:
> Hi All
>
>
> Could someone explain in simple terms what Itunes and Ipods are all
> about?  How different is it from using a standard mp3 player and  
> putting
> files into different directories?  Yes you can buy electronic copies  
> of
> music from itunes but will they only play on an Ipod?  Are there Ipods
> that are accessible now?  Do these linux Ipod tools make storing and
> choosing music easy?  I'm guessing Itunes and Ipods  don't handle in  
> any
> shape or form with vorbis ogg files?
>
> In short, how accessible is an Ipod and Itunes from the linux platform
> and what are the advantages over a standard mp3 player?
>
> Many thanks.
>
> --
> Gena
>
>
> four kinds of freedom, for the users of the software:
>
>    * The freedom to run the program, for any purpose (freedom 0).
>    * The freedom to study how the program works, and adapt it to your
> needs (freedom 1). Access to the source code is a precondition for  
> this.
>    * The freedom to redistribute copies so you can help your neighbor
> (freedom 2).
>    * The freedom to improve the program, and release your improvements
> to the public, so that the whole community benefits (freedom 3).  
> Access
> to the source code is a precondition for this.
>
> Richard Matthew Stallman
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
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Re: Ipods and Itunes - What are they all about?

[Jason Miller]

That is true, but like you said, all you have to do is check a box on
iTunes, or on iPod or whatever. The only bad thing with that is that
you have to run OSX 10.4 or later with Voice over, or Windows with
JAWS 8/9 and the $75 scripts or JAWS 10 alone to make iTunes
accessible. There is also the "Hey sighted person, would you mind
checkign this for me please?" thing too.

What I did forget to mention is that Rockbox, the iPod firmware
replacement for iPods and other mp3 players supports a much wider
range of media. I think that it supports anything that isn't
proprietary. A.K.A. no protected content, or m4a stuff. I know that
you can get mp3, wav, ogg, and some of the other "standardized"
formats, and I think you can get vorbis and there is a much larger
list on the wiki page for it.

The big iPod craze for the sighted world is mainly just the namesake
though with the status symbol. "Oh look, I have an ipod and you only
have a sandisk." You can get a couple of other media players that hold
nearish the capacity of the larger iPods, but they can get just as
expensive as an iPod. For the smaller capacity iPods, you can get
better quality and just as much storage if not more for a cheaper
price. Unfortunately for the other mp3 players, if you don't have one
that is rockbox compatible, you can't get the speech on it.

I guess for the VI and blind world, that a new iPod is probably the
best way to go if you don't want to be bothered by hunting down
Rockboxable players, and you want speech. Unfortunately, no one else
seems to have that as even a thought in their head to push something
"off the shelf" with speech for a decent price. Yes, there are things
for the VI/blind world, but they are so damned expensive if all you
want it for is music or basic audiobooks, then they aren't worth it
(example - Victor Reader Stream for $349.99 and that is probably the
cheapest device out there, and has absolutely no internal storage, so
you need to buy SD cards).



On 10/26/09, David Poehlman <david.poehlman@handsontechnologeyes.com> wrote:
> actually, mp3s and wavs are supported by itunes transfer to ipod and
> maybe another file format or two.  also, in order to get voice onto
> the ipods other than the ipod touch, you have to get it put on through
> itunes and even on the touch to enable it, you need to do it with
> itunes but this just requires checking a box because everything is
> there.
>
> On Oct 26, 2009, at 2:46 PM, Jason Miller wrote:
>
> Hello
>
> Here is what is with iPods and iTunes. iTunes is the music player that
> comes standard with the apple systems, and can be downloaded onto
> Windows.
>
> An iPod is like you said, the player. As far as differences with iPods
> and other players, there are quite a few. Some of the  iPods now come
> accessible out of the box with Macintosh's screen reader built in
> (it's called Voice Over). That will read you the song files,
> playlists, and do a bunch more apparently. There is a solve all for
> older iPods too, up to generation 5.5. It's called rockbox, and
> although it's something like the main speakup voice, or the orca for
> ubuntu voice, it does the same thing, and it makes the older iPods
> accessible. You can go to www.rockbox.org to check out the system,
> it's an entire firmware replacement for the iPods, and not just a
> screen reader.
>
> As for other differences, you can get iPods up to like 180 GB now of
> storage, which you can't do with many (or most of) the other players.
> I don't know wat all the iPod supports, but that is where you need
> iTunes. You make you playlist, or sync your iPod on iTunes, and it
> transfers all of your music, no matter which *supported* extension, to
> the iPod in a certain (M4A I think) format.
> I hope that helps explain the differences a little.
> On 10/26/09, Georgina Joyce <r2gl@o2.co.uk> wrote:
>> Hi All
>>
>>
>> Could someone explain in simple terms what Itunes and Ipods are all
>> about?  How different is it from using a standard mp3 player and
>> putting
>> files into different directories?  Yes you can buy electronic copies
>> of
>> music from itunes but will they only play on an Ipod?  Are there Ipods
>> that are accessible now?  Do these linux Ipod tools make storing and
>> choosing music easy?  I'm guessing Itunes and Ipods  don't handle in
>> any
>> shape or form with vorbis ogg files?
>>
>> In short, how accessible is an Ipod and Itunes from the linux platform
>> and what are the advantages over a standard mp3 player?
>>
>> Many thanks.
>>
>> --
>> Gena
>>
>>
>> four kinds of freedom, for the users of the software:
>>
>>    * The freedom to run the program, for any purpose (freedom 0).
>>    * The freedom to study how the program works, and adapt it to your
>> needs (freedom 1). Access to the source code is a precondition for
>> this.
>>    * The freedom to redistribute copies so you can help your neighbor
>> (freedom 2).
>>    * The freedom to improve the program, and release your improvements
>> to the public, so that the whole community benefits (freedom 3).
>> Access
>> to the source code is a precondition for this.
>>
>> Richard Matthew Stallman
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Speakup mailing list
>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>>
> _______________________________________________
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>
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Re: Ipods and Itunes - What are they all about?

[Georgina Joyce]

Hi

What I don't understand is can it be managed purely by linux?  It seems
that the audio only players i.e. shuffle, don't have any access support.
But those with video support can be accessible.  
On Mon, 2009-10-26 at 15:21 -0400, David Poehlman wrote:
> actually, mp3s and wavs are supported by itunes transfer to ipod and  
> maybe another file format or two.  also, in order to get voice onto  
> the ipods other than the ipod touch, you have to get it put on through  
> itunes and even on the touch to enable it, you need to do it with  
> itunes but this just requires checking a box because everything is  
> there.
> 
> On Oct 26, 2009, at 2:46 PM, Jason Miller wrote:
> 
> Hello
> 
> Here is what is with iPods and iTunes. iTunes is the music player that
> comes standard with the apple systems, and can be downloaded onto
> Windows.
> 
> An iPod is like you said, the player. As far as differences with iPods
> and other players, there are quite a few. Some of the  iPods now come
> accessible out of the box with Macintosh's screen reader built in
> (it's called Voice Over). That will read you the song files,
> playlists, and do a bunch more apparently. There is a solve all for
> older iPods too, up to generation 5.5. It's called rockbox, and
> although it's something like the main speakup voice, or the orca for
> ubuntu voice, it does the same thing, and it makes the older iPods
> accessible. You can go to www.rockbox.org to check out the system,
> it's an entire firmware replacement for the iPods, and not just a
> screen reader.
> 
> As for other differences, you can get iPods up to like 180 GB now of
> storage, which you can't do with many (or most of) the other players.
> I don't know wat all the iPod supports, but that is where you need
> iTunes. You make you playlist, or sync your iPod on iTunes, and it
> transfers all of your music, no matter which *supported* extension, to
> the iPod in a certain (M4A I think) format.
> I hope that helps explain the differences a little.
> On 10/26/09, Georgina Joyce <r2gl@o2.co.uk> wrote:
> > Hi All
> >
> >
> > Could someone explain in simple terms what Itunes and Ipods are all
> > about?  How different is it from using a standard mp3 player and  
> > putting
> > files into different directories?  Yes you can buy electronic copies  
> > of
> > music from itunes but will they only play on an Ipod?  Are there Ipods
> > that are accessible now?  Do these linux Ipod tools make storing and
> > choosing music easy?  I'm guessing Itunes and Ipods  don't handle in  
> > any
> > shape or form with vorbis ogg files?
> >
> > In short, how accessible is an Ipod and Itunes from the linux platform
> > and what are the advantages over a standard mp3 player?
> >
> > Many thanks.
> >
> > --
> > Gena
> >
> >
> > four kinds of freedom, for the users of the software:
> >
> >    * The freedom to run the program, for any purpose (freedom 0).
> >    * The freedom to study how the program works, and adapt it to your
> > needs (freedom 1). Access to the source code is a precondition for  
> > this.
> >    * The freedom to redistribute copies so you can help your neighbor
> > (freedom 2).
> >    * The freedom to improve the program, and release your improvements
> > to the public, so that the whole community benefits (freedom 3).  
> > Access
> > to the source code is a precondition for this.
> >
> > Richard Matthew Stallman
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> _______________________________________________
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> 
> 
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-- 
Gena


four kinds of freedom, for the users of the software:

    * The freedom to run the program, for any purpose (freedom 0).
    * The freedom to study how the program works, and adapt it to your
needs (freedom 1). Access to the source code is a precondition for this.
    * The freedom to redistribute copies so you can help your neighbor
(freedom 2).
    * The freedom to improve the program, and release your improvements
to the public, so that the whole community benefits (freedom 3). Access
to the source code is a precondition for this.

Richard Matthew Stallman

Re: Ipods and Itunes - What are they all about?

[Glenn Ervin]

To add to the comments about RockBox,
It can use any SAPI voice you have installed on your computer to set up for 
the MP3 player.
RockBox works on other players/recorders besides iPods.
RockBox is a free replacement firmware for many players/recorders.
Many consider RockBox to be a superior to the native firmware.
You can dual-boot your native firmware and RockBox.
RockBox is free.
It can be downloaded and better understood at:
http://www.rockbox.org/
With RockBox, you can copy & paste your audio and/or video via accessing the 
drive, like you would any other USB drive.
With the native firmware on most devices, you need to use their software to 
access the drive, and you may not be able to put your own content on the 
device.
None of the devices under RockBox will play DRM protected files, but you can 
dual-boot to the native firmware, and it may work.
HTH.
Glenn
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Subject: Re: Ipods and Itunes - What are they all about?


Hello

Here is what is with iPods and iTunes. iTunes is the music player that
comes standard with the apple systems, and can be downloaded onto
Windows.

An iPod is like you said, the player. As far as differences with iPods
and other players, there are quite a few. Some of the  iPods now come
accessible out of the box with Macintosh's screen reader built in
(it's called Voice Over). That will read you the song files,
playlists, and do a bunch more apparently. There is a solve all for
older iPods too, up to generation 5.5. It's called rockbox, and
although it's something like the main speakup voice, or the orca for
ubuntu voice, it does the same thing, and it makes the older iPods
accessible. You can go to www.rockbox.org to check out the system,
it's an entire firmware replacement for the iPods, and not just a
screen reader.

As for other differences, you can get iPods up to like 180 GB now of
storage, which you can't do with many (or most of) the other players.
I don't know wat all the iPod supports, but that is where you need
iTunes. You make you playlist, or sync your iPod on iTunes, and it
transfers all of your music, no matter which *supported* extension, to
the iPod in a certain (M4A I think) format.
I hope that helps explain the differences a little.
On 10/26/09, Georgina Joyce <r2gl@o2.co.uk> wrote:
> Hi All
>
>
> Could someone explain in simple terms what Itunes and Ipods are all
> about?  How different is it from using a standard mp3 player and putting
> files into different directories?  Yes you can buy electronic copies of
> music from itunes but will they only play on an Ipod?  Are there Ipods
> that are accessible now?  Do these linux Ipod tools make storing and
> choosing music easy?  I'm guessing Itunes and Ipods  don't handle in any
> shape or form with vorbis ogg files?
>
> In short, how accessible is an Ipod and Itunes from the linux platform
> and what are the advantages over a standard mp3 player?
>
> Many thanks.
>
> --
> Gena
>
>
> four kinds of freedom, for the users of the software:
>
>     * The freedom to run the program, for any purpose (freedom 0).
>     * The freedom to study how the program works, and adapt it to your
> needs (freedom 1). Access to the source code is a precondition for this.
>     * The freedom to redistribute copies so you can help your neighbor
> (freedom 2).
>     * The freedom to improve the program, and release your improvements
> to the public, so that the whole community benefits (freedom 3). Access
> to the source code is a precondition for this.
>
> Richard Matthew Stallman
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
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Re: Ipods and Itunes - What are they all about?

[Alex Snow]

They can be managed with linux...there are a couple of Gui tools for 
doing that, and Gnupod for doing it from the console.  Gnupod is what I 
use for the 4th gen Ipod I got off ebay and it works ok, though I'd 
rather something a little easier to manage content with, though not as 
big and bloated as Itunes.  As for rockbox, I installed it for a little 
while but it seemed a little unresponsive and hard to use it's UI with 
the click wheel on the ipod.  Another slight irritation I found with it 
is that the wheel on an ipod doesn't click when used with rockbox, which 
would be nice to have on top of the speach output.

On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 10:30:02PM +0000, Georgina Joyce wrote:
> Hi
> 
> What I don't understand is can it be managed purely by linux?  It seems
> that the audio only players i.e. shuffle, don't have any access support.
> But those with video support can be accessible.  
> On Mon, 2009-10-26 at 15:21 -0400, David Poehlman wrote:
> > actually, mp3s and wavs are supported by itunes transfer to ipod and  
> > maybe another file format or two.  also, in order to get voice onto  
> > the ipods other than the ipod touch, you have to get it put on through  
> > itunes and even on the touch to enable it, you need to do it with  
> > itunes but this just requires checking a box because everything is  
> > there.
> > 
> > On Oct 26, 2009, at 2:46 PM, Jason Miller wrote:
> > 
> > Hello
> > 
> > Here is what is with iPods and iTunes. iTunes is the music player that
> > comes standard with the apple systems, and can be downloaded onto
> > Windows.
> > 
> > An iPod is like you said, the player. As far as differences with iPods
> > and other players, there are quite a few. Some of the  iPods now come
> > accessible out of the box with Macintosh's screen reader built in
> > (it's called Voice Over). That will read you the song files,
> > playlists, and do a bunch more apparently. There is a solve all for
> > older iPods too, up to generation 5.5. It's called rockbox, and
> > although it's something like the main speakup voice, or the orca for
> > ubuntu voice, it does the same thing, and it makes the older iPods
> > accessible. You can go to www.rockbox.org to check out the system,
> > it's an entire firmware replacement for the iPods, and not just a
> > screen reader.
> > 
> > As for other differences, you can get iPods up to like 180 GB now of
> > storage, which you can't do with many (or most of) the other players.
> > I don't know wat all the iPod supports, but that is where you need
> > iTunes. You make you playlist, or sync your iPod on iTunes, and it
> > transfers all of your music, no matter which *supported* extension, to
> > the iPod in a certain (M4A I think) format.
> > I hope that helps explain the differences a little.
> > On 10/26/09, Georgina Joyce <r2gl@o2.co.uk> wrote:
> > > Hi All
> > >
> > >
> > > Could someone explain in simple terms what Itunes and Ipods are all
> > > about?  How different is it from using a standard mp3 player and  
> > > putting
> > > files into different directories?  Yes you can buy electronic copies  
> > > of
> > > music from itunes but will they only play on an Ipod?  Are there Ipods
> > > that are accessible now?  Do these linux Ipod tools make storing and
> > > choosing music easy?  I'm guessing Itunes and Ipods  don't handle in  
> > > any
> > > shape or form with vorbis ogg files?
> > >
> > > In short, how accessible is an Ipod and Itunes from the linux platform
> > > and what are the advantages over a standard mp3 player?
> > >
> > > Many thanks.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Gena
> > >
> > >
> > > four kinds of freedom, for the users of the software:
> > >
> > >    * The freedom to run the program, for any purpose (freedom 0).
> > >    * The freedom to study how the program works, and adapt it to your
> > > needs (freedom 1). Access to the source code is a precondition for  
> > > this.
> > >    * The freedom to redistribute copies so you can help your neighbor
> > > (freedom 2).
> > >    * The freedom to improve the program, and release your improvements
> > > to the public, so that the whole community benefits (freedom 3).  
> > > Access
> > > to the source code is a precondition for this.
> > >
> > > Richard Matthew Stallman
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> -- 
> Gena
> 
> 
> four kinds of freedom, for the users of the software:
> 
>     * The freedom to run the program, for any purpose (freedom 0).
>     * The freedom to study how the program works, and adapt it to your
> needs (freedom 1). Access to the source code is a precondition for this.
>     * The freedom to redistribute copies so you can help your neighbor
> (freedom 2).
>     * The freedom to improve the program, and release your improvements
> to the public, so that the whole community benefits (freedom 3). Access
> to the source code is a precondition for this.
> 
> Richard Matthew Stallman
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

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> You know you are "there" when you are known by your first name, and
> are recognized.
> Lemmie see, there is Madonna, and Linus, and ..... help me out here!
Bill ? ;-)
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Re: Ipods and Itunes - What are they all about?

[Alex Snow]

I forgot, There's also a Fuse module called Fusepod that I came across 
that lets you mount the Ipod like any other USB device and just copy 
files to it, with the driver handling the update of the Itunes database.

On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 11:00:49AM -0400, Alex Snow wrote:
> They can be managed with linux...there are a couple of Gui tools for 
> doing that, and Gnupod for doing it from the console.  Gnupod is what I 
> use for the 4th gen Ipod I got off ebay and it works ok, though I'd 
> rather something a little easier to manage content with, though not as 
> big and bloated as Itunes.  As for rockbox, I installed it for a little 
> while but it seemed a little unresponsive and hard to use it's UI with 
> the click wheel on the ipod.  Another slight irritation I found with it 
> is that the wheel on an ipod doesn't click when used with rockbox, which 
> would be nice to have on top of the speach output.
> 
> On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 10:30:02PM +0000, Georgina Joyce wrote:
> > Hi
> > 
> > What I don't understand is can it be managed purely by linux?  It seems
> > that the audio only players i.e. shuffle, don't have any access support.
> > But those with video support can be accessible.  
> > On Mon, 2009-10-26 at 15:21 -0400, David Poehlman wrote:
> > > actually, mp3s and wavs are supported by itunes transfer to ipod and  
> > > maybe another file format or two.  also, in order to get voice onto  
> > > the ipods other than the ipod touch, you have to get it put on through  
> > > itunes and even on the touch to enable it, you need to do it with  
> > > itunes but this just requires checking a box because everything is  
> > > there.
> > > 
> > > On Oct 26, 2009, at 2:46 PM, Jason Miller wrote:
> > > 
> > > Hello
> > > 
> > > Here is what is with iPods and iTunes. iTunes is the music player that
> > > comes standard with the apple systems, and can be downloaded onto
> > > Windows.
> > > 
> > > An iPod is like you said, the player. As far as differences with iPods
> > > and other players, there are quite a few. Some of the  iPods now come
> > > accessible out of the box with Macintosh's screen reader built in
> > > (it's called Voice Over). That will read you the song files,
> > > playlists, and do a bunch more apparently. There is a solve all for
> > > older iPods too, up to generation 5.5. It's called rockbox, and
> > > although it's something like the main speakup voice, or the orca for
> > > ubuntu voice, it does the same thing, and it makes the older iPods
> > > accessible. You can go to www.rockbox.org to check out the system,
> > > it's an entire firmware replacement for the iPods, and not just a
> > > screen reader.
> > > 
> > > As for other differences, you can get iPods up to like 180 GB now of
> > > storage, which you can't do with many (or most of) the other players.
> > > I don't know wat all the iPod supports, but that is where you need
> > > iTunes. You make you playlist, or sync your iPod on iTunes, and it
> > > transfers all of your music, no matter which *supported* extension, to
> > > the iPod in a certain (M4A I think) format.
> > > I hope that helps explain the differences a little.
> > > On 10/26/09, Georgina Joyce <r2gl@o2.co.uk> wrote:
> > > > Hi All
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Could someone explain in simple terms what Itunes and Ipods are all
> > > > about?  How different is it from using a standard mp3 player and  
> > > > putting
> > > > files into different directories?  Yes you can buy electronic copies  
> > > > of
> > > > music from itunes but will they only play on an Ipod?  Are there Ipods
> > > > that are accessible now?  Do these linux Ipod tools make storing and
> > > > choosing music easy?  I'm guessing Itunes and Ipods  don't handle in  
> > > > any
> > > > shape or form with vorbis ogg files?
> > > >
> > > > In short, how accessible is an Ipod and Itunes from the linux platform
> > > > and what are the advantages over a standard mp3 player?
> > > >
> > > > Many thanks.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Gena
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > four kinds of freedom, for the users of the software:
> > > >
> > > >    * The freedom to run the program, for any purpose (freedom 0).
> > > >    * The freedom to study how the program works, and adapt it to your
> > > > needs (freedom 1). Access to the source code is a precondition for  
> > > > this.
> > > >    * The freedom to redistribute copies so you can help your neighbor
> > > > (freedom 2).
> > > >    * The freedom to improve the program, and release your improvements
> > > > to the public, so that the whole community benefits (freedom 3).  
> > > > Access
> > > > to the source code is a precondition for this.
> > > >
> > > > Richard Matthew Stallman
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > 
> > > 
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > -- 
> > Gena
> > 
> > 
> > four kinds of freedom, for the users of the software:
> > 
> >     * The freedom to run the program, for any purpose (freedom 0).
> >     * The freedom to study how the program works, and adapt it to your
> > needs (freedom 1). Access to the source code is a precondition for this.
> >     * The freedom to redistribute copies so you can help your neighbor
> > (freedom 2).
> >     * The freedom to improve the program, and release your improvements
> > to the public, so that the whole community benefits (freedom 3). Access
> > to the source code is a precondition for this.
> > 
> > Richard Matthew Stallman
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 
> -- 
> > You know you are "there" when you are known by your first name, and
> > are recognized.
> > Lemmie see, there is Madonna, and Linus, and ..... help me out here!
> Bill ? ;-)
> 	-- From some postings on comp.os.linux.misc
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

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effect on non-Linux systems, especially when done by a privileged user.
	-- From the killall manual page

Ipods-and-Itunes, What Are They All About?

[Hart Larry]

Well, big problem is that I cannot use the Itunes store from Linux, especially 
in a console or with L Y N X.  There is some content seemingly exclusive
Hart

Re: Ipods and Itunes - What are they all about?

[Daniel Dalton]

On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 11:00:49AM -0400, Alex Snow wrote:
> big and bloated as Itunes.  As for rockbox, I installed it for a little 
> while but it seemed a little unresponsive and hard to use it's UI with 

Really? I used rockbox on an ipod, and now on my sansa and also on an
iriver, and worked very well.

> the click wheel on the ipod.  Another slight irritation I found with it 
> is that the wheel on an ipod doesn't click when used with rockbox, which 
> would be nice to have on top of the speach output.

It should now, you just need a recent build from the last 6 months I
guess but if you get the latest build of rockbox, then go
settings>general settings>system>key click, that should do what you
want. I use it on my sansa and it works well, because that has a similar
wheel to the ipod, but it's not a touch wheel, it is just a wheel that
can be span.

Dan

Re: Ipods and Itunes - What are they all about?

[Daniel Dalton]

On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 06:10:42PM -0500, Glenn Ervin wrote:
> It can use any SAPI voice you have installed on your computer to set up for 
> the MP3 player.

Isn't this linux? yes rockbox can do that, but obviously sapi is a
microsoft thing, so espeak on linux works well, and so does flite i
think...

Oh and I've got scripts here on linux to generate talkclips if anyone is
interested.

Re: Ipods and Itunes - What are they all about?

[Glenn Ervin]

Actually, it does click.
There is a setting in the menus for turning on clicks, and how loud you want 
them.
HTH.
Glenn
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Alex Snow" <alex_snow@gmx.net>
To: <r2gl@o2.co.uk>; "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." 
<speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 10:00 AM
Subject: Re: Ipods and Itunes - What are they all about?


They can be managed with linux...there are a couple of Gui tools for
doing that, and Gnupod for doing it from the console.  Gnupod is what I
use for the 4th gen Ipod I got off ebay and it works ok, though I'd
rather something a little easier to manage content with, though not as
big and bloated as Itunes.  As for rockbox, I installed it for a little
while but it seemed a little unresponsive and hard to use it's UI with
the click wheel on the ipod.  Another slight irritation I found with it
is that the wheel on an ipod doesn't click when used with rockbox, which
would be nice to have on top of the speach output.

On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 10:30:02PM +0000, Georgina Joyce wrote:
> Hi
>
> What I don't understand is can it be managed purely by linux?  It seems
> that the audio only players i.e. shuffle, don't have any access support.
> But those with video support can be accessible.
> On Mon, 2009-10-26 at 15:21 -0400, David Poehlman wrote:
> > actually, mp3s and wavs are supported by itunes transfer to ipod and
> > maybe another file format or two.  also, in order to get voice onto
> > the ipods other than the ipod touch, you have to get it put on through
> > itunes and even on the touch to enable it, you need to do it with
> > itunes but this just requires checking a box because everything is
> > there.
> >
> > On Oct 26, 2009, at 2:46 PM, Jason Miller wrote:
> >
> > Hello
> >
> > Here is what is with iPods and iTunes. iTunes is the music player that
> > comes standard with the apple systems, and can be downloaded onto
> > Windows.
> >
> > An iPod is like you said, the player. As far as differences with iPods
> > and other players, there are quite a few. Some of the  iPods now come
> > accessible out of the box with Macintosh's screen reader built in
> > (it's called Voice Over). That will read you the song files,
> > playlists, and do a bunch more apparently. There is a solve all for
> > older iPods too, up to generation 5.5. It's called rockbox, and
> > although it's something like the main speakup voice, or the orca for
> > ubuntu voice, it does the same thing, and it makes the older iPods
> > accessible. You can go to www.rockbox.org to check out the system,
> > it's an entire firmware replacement for the iPods, and not just a
> > screen reader.
> >
> > As for other differences, you can get iPods up to like 180 GB now of
> > storage, which you can't do with many (or most of) the other players.
> > I don't know wat all the iPod supports, but that is where you need
> > iTunes. You make you playlist, or sync your iPod on iTunes, and it
> > transfers all of your music, no matter which *supported* extension, to
> > the iPod in a certain (M4A I think) format.
> > I hope that helps explain the differences a little.
> > On 10/26/09, Georgina Joyce <r2gl@o2.co.uk> wrote:
> > > Hi All
> > >
> > >
> > > Could someone explain in simple terms what Itunes and Ipods are all
> > > about?  How different is it from using a standard mp3 player and
> > > putting
> > > files into different directories?  Yes you can buy electronic copies
> > > of
> > > music from itunes but will they only play on an Ipod?  Are there Ipods
> > > that are accessible now?  Do these linux Ipod tools make storing and
> > > choosing music easy?  I'm guessing Itunes and Ipods  don't handle in
> > > any
> > > shape or form with vorbis ogg files?
> > >
> > > In short, how accessible is an Ipod and Itunes from the linux platform
> > > and what are the advantages over a standard mp3 player?
> > >
> > > Many thanks.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Gena
> > >
> > >
> > > four kinds of freedom, for the users of the software:
> > >
> > >    * The freedom to run the program, for any purpose (freedom 0).
> > >    * The freedom to study how the program works, and adapt it to your
> > > needs (freedom 1). Access to the source code is a precondition for
> > > this.
> > >    * The freedom to redistribute copies so you can help your neighbor
> > > (freedom 2).
> > >    * The freedom to improve the program, and release your improvements
> > > to the public, so that the whole community benefits (freedom 3).
> > > Access
> > > to the source code is a precondition for this.
> > >
> > > Richard Matthew Stallman
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> -- 
> Gena
>
>
> four kinds of freedom, for the users of the software:
>
>     * The freedom to run the program, for any purpose (freedom 0).
>     * The freedom to study how the program works, and adapt it to your
> needs (freedom 1). Access to the source code is a precondition for this.
>     * The freedom to redistribute copies so you can help your neighbor
> (freedom 2).
>     * The freedom to improve the program, and release your improvements
> to the public, so that the whole community benefits (freedom 3). Access
> to the source code is a precondition for this.
>
> Richard Matthew Stallman
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

-- 
> You know you are "there" when you are known by your first name, and
> are recognized.
> Lemmie see, there is Madonna, and Linus, and ..... help me out here!
Bill ? ;-)
-- From some postings on comp.os.linux.misc
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