* CygWin in windows
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From: Glenn @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
Hi,
I'm running windows 7 32, and I installed CygWin.
I don't know allot about using it.
I want to have access to some of the power of Linux.
I'm most familiar with Debian-based systems.
I use Jaws, and the CygWin terminal does not automatically read the returned information, and I don't like routing the Jaws cursor to read the terminal.
Can SpeakUp be installed into CygWin?
I saw a youtube thing about wget, but the person in the video did not really indicate the command for getting wget.
I found that apt-get nor aptitude work, so is there a command for installing packages in CygWin?
Thanks.
Glenn
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread* Re: CygWin in windows CygWin in windows Glenn @ ` covici ` Rob ` Gregory Nowak ` (2 subsequent siblings) 3 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread From: covici @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Glenn, Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. You use the setup program to get new packages, and last time I tried it, it was not very easy to use -- you had to find the up and down arrows in order to scroll the list. Glenn <glennervin@cableone.net> wrote: > Hi, > I'm running windows 7 32, and I installed CygWin. > I don't know allot about using it. > I want to have access to some of the power of Linux. > I'm most familiar with Debian-based systems. > I use Jaws, and the CygWin terminal does not automatically read the returned information, and I don't like routing the Jaws cursor to read the terminal. > Can SpeakUp be installed into CygWin? > I saw a youtube thing about wget, but the person in the video did not really indicate the command for getting wget. > I found that apt-get nor aptitude work, so is there a command for installing packages in CygWin? > Thanks. > Glenn > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@linux-speakup.org > http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup > -- Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: How do you spend it? John Covici covici@ccs.covici.com ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: CygWin in windows ` covici @ ` Rob 0 siblings, 0 replies; 8+ messages in thread From: Rob @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. <covici@ccs.covici.com> wrote: > You use the setup program to get new packages, and last time I tried > it, > it was not very easy to use -- you had to find the up and down arrows > in order to scroll the list. You can feed it package named over the command line. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: CygWin in windows CygWin in windows Glenn ` covici @ ` Gregory Nowak ` Edgar Lozano ` Tony Baechler 3 siblings, 0 replies; 8+ messages in thread From: Gregory Nowak @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup On Fri, Nov 27, 2015 at 04:51:27PM -0600, Glenn wrote: > Can SpeakUp be installed into CygWin? No. Greg -- web site: http://www.gregn.net gpg public key: http://www.gregn.net/pubkey.asc skype: gregn1 (authorization required, add me to your contacts list first) If we haven't been in touch before, e-mail me before adding me to your contacts. -- Free domains: http://www.eu.org/ or mail dns-manager@EU.org ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: CygWin in windows CygWin in windows Glenn ` covici ` Gregory Nowak @ ` Edgar Lozano ` Tony Baechler 3 siblings, 0 replies; 8+ messages in thread From: Edgar Lozano @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Glenn, Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. In JAWS, try to find an option that announces dynamic changes. At least, that is how it is labeled in NVDA. I don't know much about JAWS, but NVDA sure works well with CygWin. Also, to install more packages, you can specify them as command line parameters to the setup program after installing the base system. This is the most accessible way that I found to install more packages. Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 27, 2015, at 4:51 PM, Glenn <glennervin@cableone.net> wrote: > > Hi, > I'm running windows 7 32, and I installed CygWin. > I don't know allot about using it. > I want to have access to some of the power of Linux. > I'm most familiar with Debian-based systems. > I use Jaws, and the CygWin terminal does not automatically read the returned information, and I don't like routing the Jaws cursor to read the terminal. > Can SpeakUp be installed into CygWin? > I saw a youtube thing about wget, but the person in the video did not really indicate the command for getting wget. > I found that apt-get nor aptitude work, so is there a command for installing packages in CygWin? > Thanks. > Glenn > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@linux-speakup.org > http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: CygWin in windows CygWin in windows Glenn ` (2 preceding siblings ...) ` Edgar Lozano @ ` Tony Baechler ` Glenn 3 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread From: Tony Baechler @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Glenn, Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Others have already addressed some of your questions, but since I use it on a daily basis, I thought I would throw in my two cents. On 11/27/2015 2:51 PM, Glenn wrote: > I want to have access to some of the power of Linux. First, it's called Cygwin. Second, it isn't Linux and you'll never have the full power, flexibility and accessibility of Linux within any Windows environment. They're apples and oranges. That said, Cygwin does have lots of packages found in most Linux distros and it's a good learning environment. It lets you run bash, compile software, etc without actually having to install Linux, but see below. > I'm most familiar with Debian-based systems. It's developed by Red Hat, so don't expect Debian commands to work. It does ship dpkg however, so in theory, it could be used as a base for a Debian-like Windows environment. I don't know if it ships apt. It isn't RPM-based. It uses tar.bz2 for packages. > I use Jaws, and the CygWin terminal does not automatically read the returned information, and I don't like routing the Jaws cursor to read the terminal. Try say all. I use both Window-Eyes and NVDA with reasonable success. NVDA is the far better choice and has the best terminal support of any Windows screen reader. WE is pretty good, but doesn't always read the text on the screen and often doesn't read the last line of the display. > Can SpeakUp be installed into CygWin? As Gregory said, no. It's not Linux and doesn't run a Linux kernel. You would need either a virtual machine or a real Linux environment. I'm working on a talking live CD based on Ubuntu which might interest you. It doesn't change anything on your machine but lets you boot a fully working Linux system with speech. The way I use Cygwin is probably not typical. I have only a minimal system consisting of bash, ssh and rsync. I ssh to my remote servers and do my work on them, so I don't need a full Cygwin environment. There are good reasons not to install all available Cygwin packages. Cygwin ships X, KDE and Gnome, but I don't think it ships Orca and I have no idea how accessible it is. If you want a talking X environment which works with Orca, I would highly recommend Ubuntu MATE. You can get a VPS for very cheap. Linux will almost always run faster than the same programs in Windows. It's possible to do what I do on an almost daily basis and ssh to the remote server or VPS, do your work and use rsync to download anything you need. If you have lots of disk space, you can of course install a full Cygwin environment, but don't be surprised if it runs very slowly compared to Linux. I haven't used a full Cygwin setup for many years, but part of why I abandoned it is because what took 10 minutes in Cygwin took 30 seconds in Linux, without exaggeration. They are constantly making improvements though and Cygwin is probably better now. As it happens, I can sell a VPS which fits your needs and budget. If you're interested, please let me know what you're looking for and the price range. As I said, you can get them very cheaply and that still gives you the full power of Linux without the hassle of fighting with the very difficult Cygwin setup program. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: CygWin in windows ` Tony Baechler @ ` Glenn ` covici 0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread From: Glenn @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Hi Tony, I have several Linux distros on thumb drives, but my main reason for wanting CygWin is that if I want to access my network computers or have more power with external drives, I wanted to be able to do so without rebooting my system. I really did not want to have to go to something like VmWare, but maybe I can with Arch or Ubuntu Mate. I mainly use the terminal in Linux, but I like the GUI for a few things, like connecting to WIFI. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Baechler" <tony@baechler.net> To: "Glenn" <GlennErvin@cableone.net>; "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@linux-speakup.org> Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 3:57 AM Subject: Re: CygWin in windows Others have already addressed some of your questions, but since I use it on a daily basis, I thought I would throw in my two cents. On 11/27/2015 2:51 PM, Glenn wrote: > I want to have access to some of the power of Linux. First, it's called Cygwin. Second, it isn't Linux and you'll never have the full power, flexibility and accessibility of Linux within any Windows environment. They're apples and oranges. That said, Cygwin does have lots of packages found in most Linux distros and it's a good learning environment. It lets you run bash, compile software, etc without actually having to install Linux, but see below. > I'm most familiar with Debian-based systems. It's developed by Red Hat, so don't expect Debian commands to work. It does ship dpkg however, so in theory, it could be used as a base for a Debian-like Windows environment. I don't know if it ships apt. It isn't RPM-based. It uses tar.bz2 for packages. > I use Jaws, and the CygWin terminal does not automatically read the > returned information, and I don't like routing the Jaws cursor to read the > terminal. Try say all. I use both Window-Eyes and NVDA with reasonable success. NVDA is the far better choice and has the best terminal support of any Windows screen reader. WE is pretty good, but doesn't always read the text on the screen and often doesn't read the last line of the display. > Can SpeakUp be installed into CygWin? As Gregory said, no. It's not Linux and doesn't run a Linux kernel. You would need either a virtual machine or a real Linux environment. I'm working on a talking live CD based on Ubuntu which might interest you. It doesn't change anything on your machine but lets you boot a fully working Linux system with speech. The way I use Cygwin is probably not typical. I have only a minimal system consisting of bash, ssh and rsync. I ssh to my remote servers and do my work on them, so I don't need a full Cygwin environment. There are good reasons not to install all available Cygwin packages. Cygwin ships X, KDE and Gnome, but I don't think it ships Orca and I have no idea how accessible it is. If you want a talking X environment which works with Orca, I would highly recommend Ubuntu MATE. You can get a VPS for very cheap. Linux will almost always run faster than the same programs in Windows. It's possible to do what I do on an almost daily basis and ssh to the remote server or VPS, do your work and use rsync to download anything you need. If you have lots of disk space, you can of course install a full Cygwin environment, but don't be surprised if it runs very slowly compared to Linux. I haven't used a full Cygwin setup for many years, but part of why I abandoned it is because what took 10 minutes in Cygwin took 30 seconds in Linux, without exaggeration. They are constantly making improvements though and Cygwin is probably better now. As it happens, I can sell a VPS which fits your needs and budget. If you're interested, please let me know what you're looking for and the price range. As I said, you can get them very cheaply and that still gives you the full power of Linux without the hassle of fighting with the very difficult Cygwin setup program. _______________________________________________ Speakup mailing list Speakup@linux-speakup.org http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: CygWin in windows ` Glenn @ ` covici 0 siblings, 0 replies; 8+ messages in thread From: covici @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Glenn, Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. vmware workstation 12 is pretty nice, for windows vm's I recomend a windows host, however. Hyperv is very nice as well and its free, but it requires some more hefty hardware. Glenn <glennervin@cableone.net> wrote: > Hi Tony, > I have several Linux distros on thumb drives, but my main reason for wanting > CygWin is that if I want to access my network computers or have more power > with external drives, I wanted to be able to do so without rebooting my > system. > I really did not want to have to go to something like VmWare, but maybe I > can with Arch or Ubuntu Mate. > I mainly use the terminal in Linux, but I like the GUI for a few things, > like connecting to WIFI. > Glenn > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tony Baechler" <tony@baechler.net> > To: "Glenn" <GlennErvin@cableone.net>; "Speakup is a screen review system > for Linux." <speakup@linux-speakup.org> > Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 3:57 AM > Subject: Re: CygWin in windows > > > Others have already addressed some of your questions, but since I use it on > a daily basis, I thought I would throw in my two cents. > > On 11/27/2015 2:51 PM, Glenn wrote: > > I want to have access to some of the power of Linux. > > First, it's called Cygwin. Second, it isn't Linux and you'll never have the > full power, flexibility and accessibility of Linux within any Windows > environment. They're apples and oranges. That said, Cygwin does have lots > of packages found in most Linux distros and it's a good learning > environment. It lets you run bash, compile software, etc without actually > having to install Linux, but see below. > > > I'm most familiar with Debian-based systems. > > It's developed by Red Hat, so don't expect Debian commands to work. It does > ship dpkg however, so in theory, it could be used as a base for a > Debian-like Windows environment. I don't know if it ships apt. It isn't > RPM-based. It uses tar.bz2 for packages. > > > I use Jaws, and the CygWin terminal does not automatically read the > > returned information, and I don't like routing the Jaws cursor to read the > > terminal. > > Try say all. I use both Window-Eyes and NVDA with reasonable success. NVDA > is the far better choice and has the best terminal support of any Windows > screen reader. WE is pretty good, but doesn't always read the text on the > screen and often doesn't read the last line of the display. > > > Can SpeakUp be installed into CygWin? > > > As Gregory said, no. It's not Linux and doesn't run a Linux kernel. You > would need either a virtual machine or a real Linux environment. I'm > working on a talking live CD based on Ubuntu which might interest you. It > doesn't change anything on your machine but lets you boot a fully working > Linux system with speech. > > The way I use Cygwin is probably not typical. I have only a minimal system > consisting of bash, ssh and rsync. I ssh to my remote servers and do my > work on them, so I don't need a full Cygwin environment. There are good > reasons not to install all available Cygwin packages. Cygwin ships X, KDE > and Gnome, but I don't think it ships Orca and I have no idea how accessible > it is. If you want a talking X environment which works with Orca, I would > highly recommend Ubuntu MATE. > > You can get a VPS for very cheap. Linux will almost always run faster than > the same programs in Windows. It's possible to do what I do on an almost > daily basis and ssh to the remote server or VPS, do your work and use rsync > to download anything you need. If you have lots of disk space, you can of > course install a full Cygwin environment, but don't be surprised if it runs > very slowly compared to Linux. I haven't used a full Cygwin setup for many > years, but part of why I abandoned it is because what took 10 minutes in > Cygwin took 30 seconds in Linux, without exaggeration. They are constantly > making improvements though and Cygwin is probably better now. As it > happens, I can sell a VPS which fits your needs and budget. If you're > interested, please let me know what you're looking for and the price range. > As I said, you can get them very cheaply and that still gives you the full > power of Linux without the hassle of fighting with the very difficult Cygwin > setup program. > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@linux-speakup.org > http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@linux-speakup.org > http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup > -- Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: How do you spend it? John Covici covici@ccs.covici.com ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
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