From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: by befuddled.reisers.ca (Postfix, from userid 65534) id AE5FF1EF832; Sat, 28 Nov 2015 11:25:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail0131.smtp25.com (mail0131.smtp25.com [75.126.84.131]) by befuddled.reisers.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A37161EF82E for ; Sat, 28 Nov 2015 11:25:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from ccs.covici.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ccs.covici.com (8.14.9/8.14.8) with ESMTP id tASGPN13032264; Sat, 28 Nov 2015 11:25:23 -0500 From: covici@ccs.covici.com To: Glenn , "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." Subject: Re: CygWin in windows In-reply-to: References: <67527573CF414959AF6481B680C7E523@LennyAcer5720> <56597A84.9080408@baechler.net> Comments: In-reply-to "Glenn" message dated "Sat, 28 Nov 2015 10:03:16 -0600." X-Mailer: MH-E 8.5; nmh 1.6; GNU Emacs 23.4.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <32255.1448727923.1@ccs.covici.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2015 11:25:23 -0500 Message-ID: <32263.1448727923@ccs.covici.com> X-SpamH-OriginatingIP: 70.109.53.110 X-SpamH-Filter: d-out-001.smtp25.com-tASGPN3w004003 X-Bogosity: Ham, tests=bogofilter, spamicity=0.000000, version=1.2.4 X-BeenThere: speakup@linux-speakup.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2015 16:25:30 -0000 vmware workstation 12 is pretty nice, for windows vm's I recomend a windows host, however. Hyperv is very nice as well and its free, but it requires some more hefty hardware. Glenn wrote: > Hi Tony, > I have several Linux distros on thumb drives, but my main reason for wan= ting = > CygWin is that if I want to access my network computers or have more pow= er = > with external drives, I wanted to be able to do so without rebooting my = > system. > I really did not want to have to go to something like VmWare, but maybe = I = > can with Arch or Ubuntu Mate. > I mainly use the terminal in Linux, but I like the GUI for a few things,= = > like connecting to WIFI. > Glenn > ----- Original Message ----- = > From: "Tony Baechler" > To: "Glenn" ; "Speakup is a screen review syste= m = > for Linux." > Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 3:57 AM > Subject: Re: CygWin in windows > = > = > Others have already addressed some of your questions, but since I use it= on > a daily basis, I thought I would throw in my two cents. > = > On 11/27/2015 2:51 PM, Glenn wrote: > > I want to have access to some of the power of Linux. > = > First, it's called Cygwin. Second, it isn't Linux and you'll never have= the > full power, flexibility and accessibility of Linux within any Windows > environment. They're apples and oranges. That said, Cygwin does have l= ots > of packages found in most Linux distros and it's a good learning > environment. It lets you run bash, compile software, etc without actual= ly > having to install Linux, but see below. > = > > I'm most familiar with Debian-based systems. > = > It's developed by Red Hat, so don't expect Debian commands to work. It = does > ship dpkg however, so in theory, it could be used as a base for a > Debian-like Windows environment. I don't know if it ships apt. It isn'= t > RPM-based. It uses tar.bz2 for packages. > = > > I use Jaws, and the CygWin terminal does not automatically read the = > > returned information, and I don't like routing the Jaws cursor to read= the = > > terminal. > = > Try say all. I use both Window-Eyes and NVDA with reasonable success. = NVDA > is the far better choice and has the best terminal support of any Window= s > screen reader. WE is pretty good, but doesn't always read the text on t= he > screen and often doesn't read the last line of the display. > = > > Can SpeakUp be installed into CygWin? > = > = > As Gregory said, no. It's not Linux and doesn't run a Linux kernel. Yo= u > would need either a virtual machine or a real Linux environment. I'm > working on a talking live CD based on Ubuntu which might interest you. = It > doesn't change anything on your machine but lets you boot a fully workin= g > Linux system with speech. > = > The way I use Cygwin is probably not typical. I have only a minimal sys= tem > consisting of bash, ssh and rsync. I ssh to my remote servers and do my > work on them, so I don't need a full Cygwin environment. There are good > reasons not to install all available Cygwin packages. Cygwin ships X, K= DE > and Gnome, but I don't think it ships Orca and I have no idea how access= ible > it is. If you want a talking X environment which works with Orca, I wou= ld > highly recommend Ubuntu MATE. > = > You can get a VPS for very cheap. Linux will almost always run faster t= han > the same programs in Windows. It's possible to do what I do on an almos= t > daily basis and ssh to the remote server or VPS, do your work and use rs= ync > to download anything you need. If you have lots of disk space, you can = of > course install a full Cygwin environment, but don't be surprised if it r= uns > very slowly compared to Linux. I haven't used a full Cygwin setup for m= any > years, but part of why I abandoned it is because what took 10 minutes in > Cygwin took 30 seconds in Linux, without exaggeration. They are constan= tly > making improvements though and Cygwin is probably better now. As it > happens, I can sell a VPS which fits your needs and budget. If you're > interested, please let me know what you're looking for and the price ran= ge. > As I said, you can get them very cheaply and that still gives you the = full > power of Linux without the hassle of fighting with the very difficult Cy= gwin > setup program. > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@linux-speakup.org > http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup > = > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@linux-speakup.org > http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup > = -- = Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: How do you spend it? John Covici covici@ccs.covici.com