Accessible image backup and restore program?

Accessible image backup and restore program?

[Jayson Smith]

A bit off-topic here, but somewhat related to Linux.

For several years, I've been using Image for Windows/Linux as my Windows 
backup/restore solution. I liked it because, in case of total boot drive 
failure where the system was completely unbootable, I could boot up 
Image for Linux which includes Speakup, use my DECtalk Express, and 
restore. Now, though, I've upgraded to Windows 7, and my computer has 
exactly zero serial ports. So I can't use my old boot CD any more, 
unless it would work with a USB to serial convertor.

What do you recommend for a bootable, accessible backup and restore 
solution? Does whatever you recommend use software speech? I don't 
assume anyone's come up with an accessible bootable Windows CD? Does 
such a bootable CD work with USB sound devices? Also, in all our 
computers, there's an internal sound card we're not actively using in 
Windows. Would any Linux CD try to use that first?
Thanks for any thoughts!
Jayson

Re: Accessible image backup and restore program?

[Kirk Reiser]

I can't answer your question about recovery images for Windows, but
grml is a good general purpose rescue image. It will handle either
software synths such as espeakup which is part of the system or serial
synths.

Check it out at www.grml.org.

On Sun, 26 May 2013, Jayson Smith wrote:

> A bit off-topic here, but somewhat related to Linux.
>
> For several years, I've been using Image for Windows/Linux as my Windows 
> backup/restore solution. I liked it because, in case of total boot drive 
> failure where the system was completely unbootable, I could boot up Image for 
> Linux which includes Speakup, use my DECtalk Express, and restore. Now, 
> though, I've upgraded to Windows 7, and my computer has exactly zero serial 
> ports. So I can't use my old boot CD any more, unless it would work with a 
> USB to serial convertor.
>
> What do you recommend for a bootable, accessible backup and restore solution? 
> Does whatever you recommend use software speech? I don't assume anyone's come 
> up with an accessible bootable Windows CD? Does such a bootable CD work with 
> USB sound devices? Also, in all our computers, there's an internal sound card 
> we're not actively using in Windows. Would any Linux CD try to use that 
> first?
> Thanks for any thoughts!
> Jayson
>
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> http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

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Re: Accessible image backup and restore program?

[Littlefield, Tyler]

Jason:
There is not an accessible windows boot cd as far as I'm aware. What you 
could do though is just dd your partitions and pipe t hat through to 
bzip2. It's moderately slow, but you could store it on a nas/passport 
drive/etc and be set.
HTH,
On 5/26/2013 12:23 PM, Kirk Reiser wrote:
> I can't answer your question about recovery images for Windows, but
> grml is a good general purpose rescue image. It will handle either
> software synths such as espeakup which is part of the system or serial
> synths.
>
> Check it out at www.grml.org.
>
> On Sun, 26 May 2013, Jayson Smith wrote:
>
>> A bit off-topic here, but somewhat related to Linux.
>>
>> For several years, I've been using Image for Windows/Linux as my 
>> Windows backup/restore solution. I liked it because, in case of total 
>> boot drive failure where the system was completely unbootable, I 
>> could boot up Image for Linux which includes Speakup, use my DECtalk 
>> Express, and restore. Now, though, I've upgraded to Windows 7, and my 
>> computer has exactly zero serial ports. So I can't use my old boot CD 
>> any more, unless it would work with a USB to serial convertor.
>>
>> What do you recommend for a bootable, accessible backup and restore 
>> solution? Does whatever you recommend use software speech? I don't 
>> assume anyone's come up with an accessible bootable Windows CD? Does 
>> such a bootable CD work with USB sound devices? Also, in all our 
>> computers, there's an internal sound card we're not actively using in 
>> Windows. Would any Linux CD try to use that first?
>> Thanks for any thoughts!
>> Jayson
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Speakup mailing list
>> Speakup@linux-speakup.org
>> http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>>
>


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RE: Accessible image backup and restore program?

[Øyvind Lode]

Hi:

Dd would work just fine but waste a lot of space since dd copies every sector on the disk regardless if it is in use or not.

So if you use dd to make a image of your harddrive which is a 2TB drive the image would be 2TB.
This is true regardless of how much data the drive contains.
But you can use gzip etc as mentioned and you probably will get a much smaller image but it is extremely slow.

But since dd copies sector by sector it does not care about which filesystem is on the drive/partition.
In other words dd can be used to clone any operating system.
It will clone as I said sector by sector but extremely slow.

Personally I use fsarchiver to make backups of both Linux partitions and Windows.
Fsarchiver (file system archiver) works at the file level which means it clones the filesystem and NTFS is supported.

Fsarchiver is very fast and has a clever algorithm.
It compresses the output image and multithreading is supported which makes it very fast on system with multiple cpu cores.
But you have to manually enable this feature.
You use the -j option for that.
-j4 will use all 4 cores on a quad core system both for compression (cloning) and for decompression (when you restore your system).

Fsarchiver will clone a Windows partition just fine but it will not clone your MBR or GPT.

So I use dd to make a backup of the MBR and in case of a GPT partitioned drive I use sgdisk to make a backup of the GPT.

I use GRML with software speech which includes all the tools I mentioned above.

So as a quick walkthrough on how to clone Windows 7:

* Boot GRML Live CD/USB on the Windows 7 machine you want to clone.
* My Windows 7 installation is on a SSD and it is 2 partitions (the system reserved partition which is 100MB and partition 2 holding the OS and data).
* use dd to backup your MBR or sgdisk to backup your GPT if you are using GPT.
* use fsarchiver to clone Windows 7 (in my case 2 partitions).
* you need a separate HDD or external HDD etc to store the image on

When you need to recover your system:

* boot GRML
* in case of a damaged MBR or GPT use dd or sgdisk to restore MBR or GPT respectively
* if your MBR or GPT is just fine you simply need to just restore your Windows 7 partitions from the fsarchiver image

Ok, I am rambling... For more info see links below.

www.grml.org

www.fsarchiver.org

-----Original Message-----
From: Speakup [mailto:speakup-bounces@linux-speakup.org] On Behalf Of Littlefield, Tyler
Sent: 26. mai 2013 20:33
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
Subject: Re: Accessible image backup and restore program?

Jason:
There is not an accessible windows boot cd as far as I'm aware. What you 
could do though is just dd your partitions and pipe t hat through to 
bzip2. It's moderately slow, but you could store it on a nas/passport 
drive/etc and be set.
HTH,
On 5/26/2013 12:23 PM, Kirk Reiser wrote:
> I can't answer your question about recovery images for Windows, but
> grml is a good general purpose rescue image. It will handle either
> software synths such as espeakup which is part of the system or serial
> synths.
>
> Check it out at www.grml.org.
>
> On Sun, 26 May 2013, Jayson Smith wrote:
>
>> A bit off-topic here, but somewhat related to Linux.
>>
>> For several years, I've been using Image for Windows/Linux as my 
>> Windows backup/restore solution. I liked it because, in case of total 
>> boot drive failure where the system was completely unbootable, I 
>> could boot up Image for Linux which includes Speakup, use my DECtalk 
>> Express, and restore. Now, though, I've upgraded to Windows 7, and my 
>> computer has exactly zero serial ports. So I can't use my old boot CD 
>> any more, unless it would work with a USB to serial convertor.
>>
>> What do you recommend for a bootable, accessible backup and restore 
>> solution? Does whatever you recommend use software speech? I don't 
>> assume anyone's come up with an accessible bootable Windows CD? Does 
>> such a bootable CD work with USB sound devices? Also, in all our 
>> computers, there's an internal sound card we're not actively using in 
>> Windows. Would any Linux CD try to use that first?
>> Thanks for any thoughts!
>> Jayson
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Speakup mailing list
>> Speakup@linux-speakup.org
>> http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>>
>


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Re: Accessible image backup and restore program?

[Tony Baechler]

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Nope, not on any Windows after ME as I've tried it.  Windows refuses to
boot from the restored backup.  You first have to clear a key in the
registry.  Besides, that backs up everything, including empty space and
doesn't allow for incremental backups.  There is still the problem of
getting speech to restore the partition later.  I've seen this kind of
solution proposed here several times, but I guarantee you that it won't
work.  Even worse, you don't have a way of knowing that Windows didn't
boot because no speech comes up.  Also, it requires booting into Linux
since you can't normally backup a Windows partition in use.

On 5/26/2013 11:33 AM, Littlefield, Tyler wrote:
> Jason: There is not an accessible windows boot cd as far as I'm aware.
> What you could do though is just dd your partitions and pipe t hat
> through to bzip2. It's moderately slow, but you could store it on a
> nas/passport drive/etc and be set. HTH,
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RE: Accessible image backup and restore program?

[Mitchell D. Lynn]

It's not an image per sey, but I have used Casper in Windows XP to clone
drives, and they do the clone while Windows is still running. And I have not
had any issues getting the cloned drives to boot without having to jump
through any hoops. 
 

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Baechler
Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 2:57 AM
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
Subject: Re: Accessible image backup and restore program?

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Nope, not on any Windows after ME as I've tried it.  Windows refuses to boot
from the restored backup.  You first have to clear a key in the registry.
Besides, that backs up everything, including empty space and doesn't allow
for incremental backups.  There is still the problem of getting speech to
restore the partition later.  I've seen this kind of solution proposed here
several times, but I guarantee you that it won't work.  Even worse, you
don't have a way of knowing that Windows didn't boot because no speech comes
up.  Also, it requires booting into Linux since you can't normally backup a
Windows partition in use.

On 5/26/2013 11:33 AM, Littlefield, Tyler wrote:
> Jason: There is not an accessible windows boot cd as far as I'm aware.
> What you could do though is just dd your partitions and pipe t hat 
> through to bzip2. It's moderately slow, but you could store it on a 
> nas/passport drive/etc and be set. HTH,
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Re: Accessible image backup and restore program?

[Gregory Nowak]

To backup/restore drive partitions, I use grml for the livecd, which
has software speech via espeakup as Kirk already indicated. To do the
actual backup/restore of partitions, I use partition image. Doing:

man partimage

will tell you what you need to know. If you're dealing with ntfs
partitions, there is also ntfsclone from the ntfsprogs package, which
is installed on the grml cd. I can tell you from personal experience
that ntfsclone works nicely if you're trying to recover data from a
damaged drive. On the other hand, partimage bombs as soon as it
encounters the first i/o error while reading the partition in question.

If I want to backup/restore the partition table, I use sfdisk, which
grml includes also. Hope that answers your questions somewhat.

Greg


On Sun, May 26, 2013 at 01:13:51PM -0400, Jayson Smith wrote:
> A bit off-topic here, but somewhat related to Linux.
> 
> For several years, I've been using Image for Windows/Linux as my
> Windows backup/restore solution. I liked it because, in case of
> total boot drive failure where the system was completely unbootable,
> I could boot up Image for Linux which includes Speakup, use my
> DECtalk Express, and restore. Now, though, I've upgraded to Windows
> 7, and my computer has exactly zero serial ports. So I can't use my
> old boot CD any more, unless it would work with a USB to serial
> convertor.
> 
> What do you recommend for a bootable, accessible backup and restore
> solution? Does whatever you recommend use software speech? I don't
> assume anyone's come up with an accessible bootable Windows CD? Does
> such a bootable CD work with USB sound devices? Also, in all our
> computers, there's an internal sound card we're not actively using
> in Windows. Would any Linux CD try to use that first?
> Thanks for any thoughts!
> Jayson
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@linux-speakup.org
> http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 

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Re: Accessible image backup and restore program?

[Adam Myrow]

On Sun, 26 May 2013, Gregory Nowak wrote:

> I can tell you from personal experience that ntfsclone works nicely if 
> you're trying to recover data from a damaged drive. On the other hand, 
> partimage bombs as soon as it encounters the first i/o error while 
> reading the partition in question.

Have you tried Gnu Ddrescue?  I have a 1TB USB drive that is dying, and 
I am trying Ddrescue on it, copying the data to a brand new drive of the 
same size.  We'll see how it goes, but I'm curious if you have had any 
experience using this tool on failing drives.

Re: Accessible image backup and restore program?

[Gregory Nowak]

No. Since the drive I was recovering had only ntfs partitions, I
figured I might as well use a tool specifically designed to deal with
that file system. Good luck.

Greg


On Sun, May 26, 2013 at 04:16:35PM -0500, Adam Myrow wrote:
> Have you tried Gnu Ddrescue?  I have a 1TB USB drive that is dying,
> and I am trying Ddrescue on it, copying the data to a brand new
> drive of the same size.  We'll see how it goes, but I'm curious if
> you have had any experience using this tool on failing drives.


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Re: Accessible image backup and restore program?

[Tony Baechler]

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Yes, I have.  My drive was starting to fail.  I was able to recover
everything just fine.  I think it was pretty slow as I recall, but XFS was
able to eventually read the backup image after running xfs_repair on it.
Since it works like dd, you can rescue a drive to a raw disk image if you
want.  I highly recommend it.  Unlike the normal dd, it gives progress
reports so you can see how many bad sectors it found and how long it will
take.

On 5/26/2013 2:16 PM, Adam Myrow wrote:
> On Sun, 26 May 2013, Gregory Nowak wrote:
> 
>> I can tell you from personal experience that ntfsclone works nicely
>> if you're trying to recover data from a damaged drive. On the other
>> hand, partimage bombs as soon as it encounters the first i/o error
>> while reading the partition in question.
> 
> Have you tried Gnu Ddrescue?  I have a 1TB USB drive that is dying, and
> I am trying Ddrescue on it, copying the data to a brand new drive of
> the same size.  We'll see how it goes, but I'm curious if you have had
> any experience using this tool on failing drives.
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Re: Accessible image backup and restore program?

[Jason White]

Jayson Smith <ratguy@insightbb.com> wrote:
 
> What do you recommend for a bootable, accessible backup and restore
> solution? Does whatever you recommend use software speech? 

Grml is my favourite. There are details on the Grml wiki of how to start it
with speech (or braille, but that isn't our topic here). However, changes were
made in recent versions to the accessibility support, hence the information on
the wiki may not be current. I haven't experimented with a recent GRML
release.

Grml provides essentially every recovery tool you are likely to need.

My own solution is somewhat different: I bind mount my partitions in a
directory under /tmp, then use rsync to copy everything over to an external
drive. This is slightly easier than excluding /dev, /proc, /sys etc., and
still gives you the directories in the underlying file system which serve as
the mount points.

I have only Linux partitions to back up as I don't run Windows on any of my
machines.

Re: Accessible image backup and restore program?

[John G. Heim]

I couldn't update the grml wiki but I did update the iavit wiki. So there are instructions on using the accessibility features of grml at wiki.iavit.org.

Grml supports braille displays, software speech, serail terminals, and ssh. 

On May 26, 2013, at 6:17 PM, Jason White wrote:

> Jayson Smith <ratguy@insightbb.com> wrote:
> 
>> What do you recommend for a bootable, accessible backup and restore
>> solution? Does whatever you recommend use software speech? 
> 
> Grml is my favourite. There are details on the Grml wiki of how to start it
> with speech (or braille, but that isn't our topic here). However, changes were
> made in recent versions to the accessibility support, hence the information on
> the wiki may not be current. I haven't experimented with a recent GRML
> release.
> 
> Grml provides essentially every recovery tool you are likely to need.
> 
> My own solution is somewhat different: I bind mount my partitions in a
> directory under /tmp, then use rsync to copy everything over to an external
> drive. This is slightly easier than excluding /dev, /proc, /sys etc., and
> still gives you the directories in the underlying file system which serve as
> the mount points.
> 
> I have only Linux partitions to back up as I don't run Windows on any of my
> machines.
> 
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RE: Accessible image backup and restore program?

[Albert Sten-Clanton]

I just looked for speakup-related info on the GRML wiki but didn't find it?
Using "swspeak" in the search entry field got me no results, and using
"speakup" did little better.  (No, I didn't use the quote marks there.)
Thanks to anybody who can tell me what I'm doing wrong.

Al 

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Jayson Smith <ratguy@insightbb.com> wrote:
 
> What do you recommend for a bootable, accessible backup and restore 
> solution? Does whatever you recommend use software speech?

Grml is my favourite. There are details on the Grml wiki of how to start it
with speech (or braille, but that isn't our topic here). However, changes
were made in recent versions to the accessibility support, hence the
information on the wiki may not be current. I haven't experimented with a
recent GRML release.

Grml provides essentially every recovery tool you are likely to need.

My own solution is somewhat different: I bind mount my partitions in a
directory under /tmp, then use rsync to copy everything over to an external
drive. This is slightly easier than excluding /dev, /proc, /sys etc., and
still gives you the directories in the underlying file system which serve as
the mount points.

I have only Linux partitions to back up as I don't run Windows on any of my
machines.

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RE: Accessible image backup and restore program?

[Kirk Reiser]

Hi Al: Just let grml boot normally without typing anything at the boot
prompt. When it gets done it makes a little beedly-dop sound with the
beeper. At that point it is at a menu of choices. Just hit enter and
it'll drop to the shell prompt. At that point you can type modprobe
speakup_soft or whatever you want to use then espeakup if you want
software synth.

Good luck.

On Sun, 26 May 2013, Albert Sten-Clanton wrote:

> I just looked for speakup-related info on the GRML wiki but didn't find it?
> Using "swspeak" in the search entry field got me no results, and using
> "speakup" did little better.  (No, I didn't use the quote marks there.)
> Thanks to anybody who can tell me what I'm doing wrong.
>
> Al
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Speakup [mailto:speakup-bounces@linux-speakup.org] On Behalf Of Jason
> White
> Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2013 7:18 PM
> To: speakup@linux-speakup.org
> Subject: Re: Accessible image backup and restore program?
>
> Jayson Smith <ratguy@insightbb.com> wrote:
>
>> What do you recommend for a bootable, accessible backup and restore
>> solution? Does whatever you recommend use software speech?
>
> Grml is my favourite. There are details on the Grml wiki of how to start it
> with speech (or braille, but that isn't our topic here). However, changes
> were made in recent versions to the accessibility support, hence the
> information on the wiki may not be current. I haven't experimented with a
> recent GRML release.
>
> Grml provides essentially every recovery tool you are likely to need.
>
> My own solution is somewhat different: I bind mount my partitions in a
> directory under /tmp, then use rsync to copy everything over to an external
> drive. This is slightly easier than excluding /dev, /proc, /sys etc., and
> still gives you the directories in the underlying file system which serve as
> the mount points.
>
> I have only Linux partitions to back up as I don't run Windows on any of my
> machines.
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@linux-speakup.org
> http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Speakup@linux-speakup.org
> http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

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Re: Accessible image backup and restore program?

[Al Sten-Clanton]

Thanks very much!

Al

On 05/26/2013 09:56 PM, Kirk Reiser wrote:
> Hi Al: Just let grml boot normally without typing anything at the boot
> prompt. When it gets done it makes a little beedly-dop sound with the
> beeper. At that point it is at a menu of choices. Just hit enter and
> it'll drop to the shell prompt. At that point you can type modprobe
> speakup_soft or whatever you want to use then espeakup if you want
> software synth.
>
> Good luck.
>
> On Sun, 26 May 2013, Albert Sten-Clanton wrote:
>
>> I just looked for speakup-related info on the GRML wiki but didn't
>> find it?
>> Using "swspeak" in the search entry field got me no results, and using
>> "speakup" did little better.  (No, I didn't use the quote marks there.)
>> Thanks to anybody who can tell me what I'm doing wrong.
>>
>> Al
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Speakup [mailto:speakup-bounces@linux-speakup.org] On Behalf Of
>> Jason
>> White
>> Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2013 7:18 PM
>> To: speakup@linux-speakup.org
>> Subject: Re: Accessible image backup and restore program?
>>
>> Jayson Smith <ratguy@insightbb.com> wrote:
>>
>>> What do you recommend for a bootable, accessible backup and restore
>>> solution? Does whatever you recommend use software speech?
>>
>> Grml is my favourite. There are details on the Grml wiki of how to
>> start it
>> with speech (or braille, but that isn't our topic here). However, changes
>> were made in recent versions to the accessibility support, hence the
>> information on the wiki may not be current. I haven't experimented with a
>> recent GRML release.
>>
>> Grml provides essentially every recovery tool you are likely to need.
>>
>> My own solution is somewhat different: I bind mount my partitions in a
>> directory under /tmp, then use rsync to copy everything over to an
>> external
>> drive. This is slightly easier than excluding /dev, /proc, /sys etc., and
>> still gives you the directories in the underlying file system which
>> serve as
>> the mount points.
>>
>> I have only Linux partitions to back up as I don't run Windows on any
>> of my
>> machines.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Speakup mailing list
>> Speakup@linux-speakup.org
>> http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Speakup mailing list
>> Speakup@linux-speakup.org
>> http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>>
>

Re: Accessible image backup and restore program?

[Gregory Nowak]

I thought you had to hit tab, space, type swspeak, and hit enter at
the grub prompt in order for it to unmute the sound card.

Greg


On Sun, May 26, 2013 at 09:56:15PM -0400, Kirk Reiser wrote:
> Hi Al: Just let grml boot normally without typing anything at the boot
> prompt. When it gets done it makes a little beedly-dop sound with the
> beeper. At that point it is at a menu of choices. Just hit enter and
> it'll drop to the shell prompt. At that point you can type modprobe
> speakup_soft or whatever you want to use then espeakup if you want
> software synth.
> 
> Good luck.
> 


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Re: Accessible image backup and restore program?

[Kerry Hoath]

that is no longer true.

Follow Kirk's irections. the tab swspeak went away with releases past 
2011.05

On 27/05/2013 10:59 AM, Gregory Nowak wrote:
> I thought you had to hit tab, space, type swspeak, and hit enter at
> the grub prompt in order for it to unmute the sound card.
>
> Greg
>
>
> On Sun, May 26, 2013 at 09:56:15PM -0400, Kirk Reiser wrote:
>    
>> Hi Al: Just let grml boot normally without typing anything at the boot
>> prompt. When it gets done it makes a little beedly-dop sound with the
>> beeper. At that point it is at a menu of choices. Just hit enter and
>> it'll drop to the shell prompt. At that point you can type modprobe
>> speakup_soft or whatever you want to use then espeakup if you want
>> software synth.
>>
>> Good luck.
>>
>>      
>
>    

RE: Accessible image backup and restore program?

[Don Raikes]

I am currently working on an accessible version of the debian rescue live cd.

I have it working pretty well with both brltty and Speakup.

I would also recommend using dd to copy the partition images to a backup medium because it takes an exact image of the partition.
-----Original Message-----
From: Jason White [mailto:jason@jasonjgw.net] 
Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2013 4:18 PM
To: speakup@linux-speakup.org
Subject: Re: Accessible image backup and restore program?

Jayson Smith <ratguy@insightbb.com> wrote:
 
> What do you recommend for a bootable, accessible backup and restore 
> solution? Does whatever you recommend use software speech?

Grml is my favourite. There are details on the Grml wiki of how to start it with speech (or braille, but that isn't our topic here). However, changes were made in recent versions to the accessibility support, hence the information on the wiki may not be current. I haven't experimented with a recent GRML release.

Grml provides essentially every recovery tool you are likely to need.

My own solution is somewhat different: I bind mount my partitions in a directory under /tmp, then use rsync to copy everything over to an external drive. This is slightly easier than excluding /dev, /proc, /sys etc., and still gives you the directories in the underlying file system which serve as the mount points.

I have only Linux partitions to back up as I don't run Windows on any of my machines.

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Speakup mailing list
Speakup@linux-speakup.org
http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: Accessible image backup and restore program?

[Tony Baechler]

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I'll answer your other questions first.  Yes, if there is an internal
sound card, Linux will try to use it first.  I can say for sure that there
is code in Debian to specifically prioritize internal sound cards in the
ALSA configuration.  I found this out from experience when setting up my
server with no onboard sound.  It will always put USB sound devices as
secondary.  I know this because I bought a really cheap USB sound card,
thanks to a recommendation on this list.  Yes, it works great in Linux and
nicely fits into a USB port.

As others have pointed out, you would have to use some live CD for
booting.  You can still use Image for Linux to backup and restore.  You
have a couple of options.  The first is to copy imagel with your
registration to a USB flash drive or somewhere on the network.  The second
is to make a custom boot CD with them included.  Just boot the CD as
normal.  After it boots and you have speech, either plug in your flash
drive or copy imagel from the network and run it.  It should work fine and
still let you backup and restore with speech.

On 5/26/2013 10:13 AM, Jayson Smith wrote:
> A bit off-topic here, but somewhat related to Linux.
> 
> For several years, I've been using Image for Windows/Linux as my
> Windows backup/restore solution. I liked it because, in case of total
> boot drive failure where the system was completely unbootable, I could
> boot up Image for Linux which includes Speakup, use my DECtalk Express,
> and restore. Now, though, I've upgraded to Windows 7, and my computer
> has exactly zero serial ports. So I can't use my old boot CD any more,
> unless it would work with a USB to serial convertor.
> 
> What do you recommend for a bootable, accessible backup and restore 
> solution? Does whatever you recommend use software speech? I don't
> assume anyone's come up with an accessible bootable Windows CD? Does
> such a bootable CD work with USB sound devices? Also, in all our
> computers, there's an internal sound card we're not actively using in
> Windows. Would any Linux CD try to use that first? Thanks for any
> thoughts! Jayson
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