Re: Fedora Core Three

Re: Fedora Core Three

[Janina Sajka]

It sounds like your path isn't getting set. chkconfig is the correct
command to enable and disable services at boot, but your syntax isn't
correct. Check the man page. It should be something like:

chkconfig --level 0123456 vsftpd off

ace writes:
> Hello all,
> 
> My friend has just downloaded and installed Fedora Core Three on his 
> system.  He isn't using Speakup; he has enough vision to read the 
> console.  However, I have a few problems.  I administer the box remotely 
> with him.  We are having problems such as paths not being set (he has to do 
> /usr/spin/adduser instead of just adduser), yum says something about how we 
> set it to use GPG keys when we didn't!.  Yum said to type rpm --import 
> public.GPG.key and when I did this, I got an error.
> 
> So, what's the problem?  Is Core 3 royally screwed or is it us?  another 
> thing, a friend told me to type chkconfig vsftpd off to turn off VSFTPD, 
> that returned command not found.  I want to disable VSFTPD 
> permanently.  Thanks a lot.
> 
> Robby
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

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				Janina Sajka, Chair
				Accessibility Workgroup
				Free Standards Group (FSG)

janina@freestandards.org	Phone: +1 202.494.7040

Fedora Core Three

[ace]

Hello all,

My friend has just downloaded and installed Fedora Core Three on his 
system.  He isn't using Speakup; he has enough vision to read the 
console.  However, I have a few problems.  I administer the box remotely 
with him.  We are having problems such as paths not being set (he has to do 
/usr/spin/adduser instead of just adduser), yum says something about how we 
set it to use GPG keys when we didn't!.  Yum said to type rpm --import 
public.GPG.key and when I did this, I got an error.

So, what's the problem?  Is Core 3 royally screwed or is it us?  another 
thing, a friend told me to type chkconfig vsftpd off to turn off VSFTPD, 
that returned command not found.  I want to disable VSFTPD 
permanently.  Thanks a lot.

Robby

Re: Fedora Core Three

[dking]

Fedora is the unstable development version of the redhat version you 
have to pay for. As such its going to have allot of bugs in every 
release. It only exists to provide redhat with a cheap and effective 
way to test there for sale products; every user of any fedora release 
is simply a non paid beta tester.

In my humble opinion I would stay away from it and never use fedora. 
Try debian if you can is its easy to update and maintain, debian 
testing if you want more stability then fedora but less bleeding 
edge.

On 10 Nov 2004 at 17:13, ace wrote:

> Hello all,
> 
> My friend has just downloaded and installed Fedora Core Three on his 
> system.  He isn't using Speakup; he has enough vision to read the 
> console.  However, I have a few problems.  I administer the box remotely 
> with him.  We are having problems such as paths not being set (he has to do 
> /usr/spin/adduser instead of just adduser), yum says something about how we 
> set it to use GPG keys when we didn't!.  Yum said to type rpm --import 
> public.GPG.key and when I did this, I got an error.
> 
> So, what's the problem?  Is Core 3 royally screwed or is it us?  another 
> thing, a friend told me to type chkconfig vsftpd off to turn off VSFTPD, 
> that returned command not found.  I want to disable VSFTPD 
> permanently.  Thanks a lot.
> 
> Robby
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 

Re: Fedora Core Three

[Janina Sajka]

This is not true. Please do not go around saying such things. Please
refer to the following web page to correct your misapprehension:

http://fedora.redhat.com/

dking@pimpsoft.com writes:
> Fedora is the unstable development version of the redhat version you 
> have to pay for. As such its going to have allot of bugs in every 
> release. It only exists to provide redhat with a cheap and effective 
> way to test there for sale products; every user of any fedora release 
> is simply a non paid beta tester.
> 
> In my humble opinion I would stay away from it and never use fedora. 
> Try debian if you can is its easy to update and maintain, debian 
> testing if you want more stability then fedora but less bleeding 
> edge.
> 
> On 10 Nov 2004 at 17:13, ace wrote:
> 
> > Hello all,
> > 
> > My friend has just downloaded and installed Fedora Core Three on his 
> > system.  He isn't using Speakup; he has enough vision to read the 
> > console.  However, I have a few problems.  I administer the box remotely 
> > with him.  We are having problems such as paths not being set (he has to do 
> > /usr/spin/adduser instead of just adduser), yum says something about how we 
> > set it to use GPG keys when we didn't!.  Yum said to type rpm --import 
> > public.GPG.key and when I did this, I got an error.
> > 
> > So, what's the problem?  Is Core 3 royally screwed or is it us?  another 
> > thing, a friend told me to type chkconfig vsftpd off to turn off VSFTPD, 
> > that returned command not found.  I want to disable VSFTPD 
> > permanently.  Thanks a lot.
> > 
> > Robby
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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				Janina Sajka, Chair
				Accessibility Workgroup
				Free Standards Group (FSG)

janina@freestandards.org	Phone: +1 202.494.7040

Re: Fedora Core Three

[Janina Sajka]

Problem is that it's managed via multiple files, and it's unclear where
it's actually broken just from what you've reported.

But, I'm concerned that your problem may be even worse. It rather seems
as if the install never finished for whatever reason. Is that possible?
The last stage runs various setup scripts and those would include
setting paths, including initial settings for new users. Since this is a
new install, you might want to simply reinstall and make sure it ends
correctly. I have not seen any reports like yours on the Fedora lists.

ace writes:
> Sorry to sound like a noob, but where does one modify the path?  I saw it 
> somewhere but don't remember where.  Thanks in advance.
> 
> At 03:22 PM 11/10/2004, you wrote:
> >It sounds like your path isn't getting set. chkconfig is the correct
> >command to enable and disable services at boot, but your syntax isn't
> >correct. Check the man page. It should be something like:
> >
> >chkconfig --level 0123456 vsftpd off
> >
> >ace writes:
> >> Hello all,
> >>
> >> My friend has just downloaded and installed Fedora Core Three on his
> >> system.  He isn't using Speakup; he has enough vision to read the
> >> console.  However, I have a few problems.  I administer the box remotely
> >> with him.  We are having problems such as paths not being set (he has 
> >to do
> >> /usr/spin/adduser instead of just adduser), yum says something about 
> >how we
> >> set it to use GPG keys when we didn't!.  Yum said to type rpm --import
> >> public.GPG.key and when I did this, I got an error.
> >>
> >> So, what's the problem?  Is Core 3 royally screwed or is it us?  another
> >> thing, a friend told me to type chkconfig vsftpd off to turn off VSFTPD,
> >> that returned command not found.  I want to disable VSFTPD
> >> permanently.  Thanks a lot.
> >>
> >> Robby
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Speakup mailing list
> >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> >--
> >
> >                                Janina Sajka, Chair
> >                                Accessibility Workgroup
> >                                Free Standards Group (FSG)
> >
> >janina@freestandards.org        Phone: +1 202.494.7040
> >
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >Speakup mailing list
> >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 
> 
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> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

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				Janina Sajka, Chair
				Accessibility Workgroup
				Free Standards Group (FSG)

janina@freestandards.org	Phone: +1 202.494.7040

Re: Fedora Core Three

[ace]

Sorry to sound like a noob, but where does one modify the path?  I saw it 
somewhere but don't remember where.  Thanks in advance.

At 03:22 PM 11/10/2004, you wrote:
>It sounds like your path isn't getting set. chkconfig is the correct
>command to enable and disable services at boot, but your syntax isn't
>correct. Check the man page. It should be something like:
>
>chkconfig --level 0123456 vsftpd off
>
>ace writes:
> > Hello all,
> >
> > My friend has just downloaded and installed Fedora Core Three on his
> > system.  He isn't using Speakup; he has enough vision to read the
> > console.  However, I have a few problems.  I administer the box remotely
> > with him.  We are having problems such as paths not being set (he has 
> to do
> > /usr/spin/adduser instead of just adduser), yum says something about 
> how we
> > set it to use GPG keys when we didn't!.  Yum said to type rpm --import
> > public.GPG.key and when I did this, I got an error.
> >
> > So, what's the problem?  Is Core 3 royally screwed or is it us?  another
> > thing, a friend told me to type chkconfig vsftpd off to turn off VSFTPD,
> > that returned command not found.  I want to disable VSFTPD
> > permanently.  Thanks a lot.
> >
> > Robby
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
>--
>
>                                 Janina Sajka, Chair
>                                 Accessibility Workgroup
>                                 Free Standards Group (FSG)
>
>janina@freestandards.org        Phone: +1 202.494.7040
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>Speakup mailing list
>Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: Fedora Core Three

[Willem van der Walt<willem@top.health.gov.za>]

You have obviously never used Fedora.


On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 dking@pimpsoft.com wrote:

> Fedora is the unstable development version of the redhat version you
> have to pay for. As such its going to have allot of bugs in every
> release. It only exists to provide redhat with a cheap and effective
> way to test there for sale products; every user of any fedora release
> is simply a non paid beta tester.
>
> In my humble opinion I would stay away from it and never use fedora.
> Try debian if you can is its easy to update and maintain, debian
> testing if you want more stability then fedora but less bleeding
> edge.
>
> On 10 Nov 2004 at 17:13, ace wrote:
>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> My friend has just downloaded and installed Fedora Core Three on his
>> system.  He isn't using Speakup; he has enough vision to read the
>> console.  However, I have a few problems.  I administer the box remotely
>> with him.  We are having problems such as paths not being set (he has to do
>> /usr/spin/adduser instead of just adduser), yum says something about how we
>> set it to use GPG keys when we didn't!.  Yum said to type rpm --import
>> public.GPG.key and when I did this, I got an error.
>>
>> So, what's the problem?  Is Core 3 royally screwed or is it us?  another
>> thing, a friend told me to type chkconfig vsftpd off to turn off VSFTPD,
>> that returned command not found.  I want to disable VSFTPD
>> permanently.  Thanks a lot.
>>
>> Robby
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Speakup mailing list
>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>>
>
>
>
>
>
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> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
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Re: Fedora Core Three

[William F. Acker WB2FLW +1-303-722-7209]

Hi,

      To fix the key problem do: rpm --import 
/usr/share/doc/fedora-release-3/RPM-GPG-KEY*

      I wonder if your problem with paths was from using the su command to 
become root without the dash at the end.

      BTW, this phone freak loves your hostname!


-- 
Bill in Denver

On Wed, 10 Nov 2004, ace wrote:

> Here is the funny thing: it is working now!  I don't know if my friend messed 
> with something but I went in to mess with it and it seems to be working fine 
> now.  Oh well, I shouldn't complain LOL.
>
> Only problem I have now is Yum saying I have it set up for GPG keys:
> [root@BlueBox ~]# yum update
>
> You have enabled checking of packages via GPG keys. This is a good thing.
> However, you do not have any GPG public keys installed. You need to download
> the keys for packages you wish to install and install them.
> You can do that by running the command:
>    rpm --import public.GPG.key
> For more information contact your distribution or package provider.
> [root@BlueBox ~]#
>
> Can I disable this?
>
> thanks,
> Robby
> At 07:34 PM 11/10/2004, you wrote:
>> Problem is that it's managed via multiple files, and it's unclear where
>> it's actually broken just from what you've reported.
>> 
>> But, I'm concerned that your problem may be even worse. It rather seems
>> as if the install never finished for whatever reason. Is that possible?
>> The last stage runs various setup scripts and those would include
>> setting paths, including initial settings for new users. Since this is a
>> new install, you might want to simply reinstall and make sure it ends
>> correctly. I have not seen any reports like yours on the Fedora lists.
>> 
>> ace writes:
>> > Sorry to sound like a noob, but where does one modify the path?  I saw it
>> > somewhere but don't remember where.  Thanks in advance.
>> >
>> > At 03:22 PM 11/10/2004, you wrote:
>> > >It sounds like your path isn't getting set. chkconfig is the correct
>> > >command to enable and disable services at boot, but your syntax isn't
>> > >correct. Check the man page. It should be something like:
>> > >
>> > >chkconfig --level 0123456 vsftpd off
>> > >
>> > >ace writes:
>> > >> Hello all,
>> > >>
>> > >> My friend has just downloaded and installed Fedora Core Three on his
>> > >> system.  He isn't using Speakup; he has enough vision to read the
>> > >> console.  However, I have a few problems.  I administer the box 
>> remotely
>> > >> with him.  We are having problems such as paths not being set (he has
>> > >to do
>> > >> /usr/spin/adduser instead of just adduser), yum says something about
>> > >how we
>> > >> set it to use GPG keys when we didn't!.  Yum said to type rpm --import
>> > >> public.GPG.key and when I did this, I got an error.
>> > >>
>> > >> So, what's the problem?  Is Core 3 royally screwed or is it us? 
>> another
>> > >> thing, a friend told me to type chkconfig vsftpd off to turn off 
>> VSFTPD,
>> > >> that returned command not found.  I want to disable VSFTPD
>> > >> permanently.  Thanks a lot.
>> > >>
>> > >> Robby
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> _______________________________________________
>> > >> Speakup mailing list
>> > >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> > >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>> > >
>> > >--
>> > >
>> > >                                Janina Sajka, Chair
>> > >                                Accessibility Workgroup
>> > >                                Free Standards Group (FSG)
>> > >
>> > >janina@freestandards.org        Phone: +1 202.494.7040
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >_______________________________________________
>> > >Speakup mailing list
>> > >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> > >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>> >
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Speakup mailing list
>> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>> 
>> --
>> 
>>                                 Janina Sajka, Chair
>>                                 Accessibility Workgroup
>>                                 Free Standards Group (FSG)
>> 
>> janina@freestandards.org        Phone: +1 202.494.7040
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> Speakup mailing list
>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

Re: Fedora Core Three

[ace]

Here is the funny thing: it is working now!  I don't know if my friend 
messed with something but I went in to mess with it and it seems to be 
working fine now.  Oh well, I shouldn't complain LOL.

Only problem I have now is Yum saying I have it set up for GPG keys:
[root@BlueBox ~]# yum update

You have enabled checking of packages via GPG keys. This is a good thing.
However, you do not have any GPG public keys installed. You need to download
the keys for packages you wish to install and install them.
You can do that by running the command:
     rpm --import public.GPG.key
For more information contact your distribution or package provider.
[root@BlueBox ~]#

Can I disable this?

thanks,
Robby
At 07:34 PM 11/10/2004, you wrote:
>Problem is that it's managed via multiple files, and it's unclear where
>it's actually broken just from what you've reported.
>
>But, I'm concerned that your problem may be even worse. It rather seems
>as if the install never finished for whatever reason. Is that possible?
>The last stage runs various setup scripts and those would include
>setting paths, including initial settings for new users. Since this is a
>new install, you might want to simply reinstall and make sure it ends
>correctly. I have not seen any reports like yours on the Fedora lists.
>
>ace writes:
> > Sorry to sound like a noob, but where does one modify the path?  I saw it
> > somewhere but don't remember where.  Thanks in advance.
> >
> > At 03:22 PM 11/10/2004, you wrote:
> > >It sounds like your path isn't getting set. chkconfig is the correct
> > >command to enable and disable services at boot, but your syntax isn't
> > >correct. Check the man page. It should be something like:
> > >
> > >chkconfig --level 0123456 vsftpd off
> > >
> > >ace writes:
> > >> Hello all,
> > >>
> > >> My friend has just downloaded and installed Fedora Core Three on his
> > >> system.  He isn't using Speakup; he has enough vision to read the
> > >> console.  However, I have a few problems.  I administer the box remotely
> > >> with him.  We are having problems such as paths not being set (he has
> > >to do
> > >> /usr/spin/adduser instead of just adduser), yum says something about
> > >how we
> > >> set it to use GPG keys when we didn't!.  Yum said to type rpm --import
> > >> public.GPG.key and when I did this, I got an error.
> > >>
> > >> So, what's the problem?  Is Core 3 royally screwed or is it us?  another
> > >> thing, a friend told me to type chkconfig vsftpd off to turn off VSFTPD,
> > >> that returned command not found.  I want to disable VSFTPD
> > >> permanently.  Thanks a lot.
> > >>
> > >> Robby
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> _______________________________________________
> > >> Speakup mailing list
> > >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> > >--
> > >
> > >                                Janina Sajka, Chair
> > >                                Accessibility Workgroup
> > >                                Free Standards Group (FSG)
> > >
> > >janina@freestandards.org        Phone: +1 202.494.7040
> > >
> > >
> > >_______________________________________________
> > >Speakup mailing list
> > >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
>--
>
>                                 Janina Sajka, Chair
>                                 Accessibility Workgroup
>                                 Free Standards Group (FSG)
>
>janina@freestandards.org        Phone: +1 202.494.7040
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>Speakup mailing list
>Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: Fedora Core Three

[David Bruzos]

I agree.  Who ever posted that message has to be talking from a very 
ignorant position.  Fedora is a great distro and it certainly does not have 
any more problems than any of the other distributions.  There is a large an 
very active community around Fedora and it is very well supported by all of 
the software developers out there.  Also, there are RPM Fedora packages for 
almost anything you want...  So, you get a great distro plus the latest in 
available technology when you use FC.
I am not saying that other distributions are not great or that Fedora is the 
best.  I am just saying that FC has earned the respect of millions of Linux 
users, because it is a quality product.

David B.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <willem@top.health.gov.za>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 1:20 AM
Subject: Re: Fedora Core Three


> You have obviously never used Fedora.
>
>
> On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 dking@pimpsoft.com wrote:
>
>> Fedora is the unstable development version of the redhat version you
>> have to pay for. As such its going to have allot of bugs in every
>> release. It only exists to provide redhat with a cheap and effective
>> way to test there for sale products; every user of any fedora release
>> is simply a non paid beta tester.
>>
>> In my humble opinion I would stay away from it and never use fedora.
>> Try debian if you can is its easy to update and maintain, debian
>> testing if you want more stability then fedora but less bleeding
>> edge.
>>
>> On 10 Nov 2004 at 17:13, ace wrote:
>>
>>> Hello all,
>>>
>>> My friend has just downloaded and installed Fedora Core Three on his
>>> system.  He isn't using Speakup; he has enough vision to read the
>>> console.  However, I have a few problems.  I administer the box remotely
>>> with him.  We are having problems such as paths not being set (he has to 
>>> do
>>> /usr/spin/adduser instead of just adduser), yum says something about how 
>>> we
>>> set it to use GPG keys when we didn't!.  Yum said to type rpm --import
>>> public.GPG.key and when I did this, I got an error.
>>>
>>> So, what's the problem?  Is Core 3 royally screwed or is it us?  another
>>> thing, a friend told me to type chkconfig vsftpd off to turn off VSFTPD,
>>> that returned command not found.  I want to disable VSFTPD
>>> permanently.  Thanks a lot.
>>>
>>> Robby
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Speakup mailing list
>>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Speakup mailing list
>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>>
>
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Re: Fedora Core Three

[nick G]

Hell Yeah!   Those VSFTPD packages on the FTP site which are now Superfluous 
because VSFTPD 2.0.1 is in FC3 were written by a Fedora user.  When I 
installed Fedora 1 back in February, I went threw Hell to get Icecast up and 
running.  With a lot of help from two people, one of them is our very own 
Bill Acker, I got Icecast working.  Those Icecast RPM's on the FTP site were 
written by Bill himself.  Now, Don't forget, it was my second day of working 
threw Linux, so I needed a lot of help, but the truth is that it's 
available, maybe more for Fedora because of it's universality...Hey is that 
a word?  What I mean is it supports a universal standard for packages...RPM 
anyone?
Thanks,
Nick
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Bruzos" <david@bruzos.org>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 10:56 AM
Subject: Re: Fedora Core Three


I agree.  Who ever posted that message has to be talking from a very
ignorant position.  Fedora is a great distro and it certainly does not have
any more problems than any of the other distributions.  There is a large an
very active community around Fedora and it is very well supported by all of
the software developers out there.  Also, there are RPM Fedora packages for
almost anything you want...  So, you get a great distro plus the latest in
available technology when you use FC.
I am not saying that other distributions are not great or that Fedora is the
best.  I am just saying that FC has earned the respect of millions of Linux
users, because it is a quality product.

David B.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <willem@top.health.gov.za>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 1:20 AM
Subject: Re: Fedora Core Three


> You have obviously never used Fedora.
>
>
> On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 dking@pimpsoft.com wrote:
>
>> Fedora is the unstable development version of the redhat version you
>> have to pay for. As such its going to have allot of bugs in every
>> release. It only exists to provide redhat with a cheap and effective
>> way to test there for sale products; every user of any fedora release
>> is simply a non paid beta tester.
>>
>> In my humble opinion I would stay away from it and never use fedora.
>> Try debian if you can is its easy to update and maintain, debian
>> testing if you want more stability then fedora but less bleeding
>> edge.
>>
>> On 10 Nov 2004 at 17:13, ace wrote:
>>
>>> Hello all,
>>>
>>> My friend has just downloaded and installed Fedora Core Three on his
>>> system.  He isn't using Speakup; he has enough vision to read the
>>> console.  However, I have a few problems.  I administer the box remotely
>>> with him.  We are having problems such as paths not being set (he has to
>>> do
>>> /usr/spin/adduser instead of just adduser), yum says something about how
>>> we
>>> set it to use GPG keys when we didn't!.  Yum said to type rpm --import
>>> public.GPG.key and when I did this, I got an error.
>>>
>>> So, what's the problem?  Is Core 3 royally screwed or is it us?  another
>>> thing, a friend told me to type chkconfig vsftpd off to turn off VSFTPD,
>>> that returned command not found.  I want to disable VSFTPD
>>> permanently.  Thanks a lot.
>>>
>>> Robby
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Speakup mailing list
>>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Speakup mailing list
>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup


_______________________________________________
Speakup mailing list
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http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: Fedora Core Three

[dking]

Yes I have. I was told what I responded with by someone who at the 
time worked for redhat. I'm going to trust that he knew what he was 
talking about.

Thank you for your concern anyway.

 - D


On 11 Nov 2004 at 8:20, Willem van der Waltwillem@top.health.gov. wrote:

> You have obviously never used Fedora.
> 
> 
> On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 dking@pimpsoft.com wrote:
> 
> > Fedora is the unstable development version of the redhat version you
> > have to pay for. As such its going to have allot of bugs in every
> > release. It only exists to provide redhat with a cheap and effective
> > way to test there for sale products; every user of any fedora release
> > is simply a non paid beta tester.
> >
> > In my humble opinion I would stay away from it and never use fedora.
> > Try debian if you can is its easy to update and maintain, debian
> > testing if you want more stability then fedora but less bleeding
> > edge.
> >
> > On 10 Nov 2004 at 17:13, ace wrote:
> >
> >> Hello all,
> >>
> >> My friend has just downloaded and installed Fedora Core Three on his
> >> system.  He isn't using Speakup; he has enough vision to read the
> >> console.  However, I have a few problems.  I administer the box remotely
> >> with him.  We are having problems such as paths not being set (he has to do
> >> /usr/spin/adduser instead of just adduser), yum says something about how we
> >> set it to use GPG keys when we didn't!.  Yum said to type rpm --import
> >> public.GPG.key and when I did this, I got an error.
> >>
> >> So, what's the problem?  Is Core 3 royally screwed or is it us?  another
> >> thing, a friend told me to type chkconfig vsftpd off to turn off VSFTPD,
> >> that returned command not found.  I want to disable VSFTPD
> >> permanently.  Thanks a lot.
> >>
> >> Robby
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Speakup mailing list
> >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 

Re: Fedora Core Three

[Janina Sajka]

I'm far too polite to say what I really think of this kind of flame
baiting. You've just made it into my kill list--not that you care, I'm
sure.

We've had your kind here before. It doesn't work--this kind of inuendo
with clear malice aforethought. Keep it up, and -- -- --
dking@pimpsoft.com writes:
> Yes I have. I was told what I responded with by someone who at the 
> time worked for redhat. I'm going to trust that he knew what he was 
> talking about.
> 
> Thank you for your concern anyway.
> 
>  - D
> 
> 
> On 11 Nov 2004 at 8:20, Willem van der Waltwillem@top.health.gov. wrote:
> 
> > You have obviously never used Fedora.
> > 
> > 
> > On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 dking@pimpsoft.com wrote:
> > 
> > > Fedora is the unstable development version of the redhat version you
> > > have to pay for. As such its going to have allot of bugs in every
> > > release. It only exists to provide redhat with a cheap and effective
> > > way to test there for sale products; every user of any fedora release
> > > is simply a non paid beta tester.
> > >
> > > In my humble opinion I would stay away from it and never use fedora.
> > > Try debian if you can is its easy to update and maintain, debian
> > > testing if you want more stability then fedora but less bleeding
> > > edge.
> > >
> > > On 10 Nov 2004 at 17:13, ace wrote:
> > >
> > >> Hello all,
> > >>
> > >> My friend has just downloaded and installed Fedora Core Three on his
> > >> system.  He isn't using Speakup; he has enough vision to read the
> > >> console.  However, I have a few problems.  I administer the box remotely
> > >> with him.  We are having problems such as paths not being set (he has to do
> > >> /usr/spin/adduser instead of just adduser), yum says something about how we
> > >> set it to use GPG keys when we didn't!.  Yum said to type rpm --import
> > >> public.GPG.key and when I did this, I got an error.
> > >>
> > >> So, what's the problem?  Is Core 3 royally screwed or is it us?  another
> > >> thing, a friend told me to type chkconfig vsftpd off to turn off VSFTPD,
> > >> that returned command not found.  I want to disable VSFTPD
> > >> permanently.  Thanks a lot.
> > >>
> > >> Robby
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> _______________________________________________
> > >> Speakup mailing list
> > >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

-- 
	
				Janina Sajka, Chair
				Accessibility Workgroup
				Free Standards Group (FSG)

janina@freestandards.org	Phone: +1 202.494.7040

Re: Fedora Core Three

[Janina Sajka]

Come to think of it, his domain name says it all. Scum for sure.

Re: Fedora Core Three

[Sean McMahon]

Unfortunately rpm is universal.  We even use it on solaris here.  I say
unfortunately because to mnany of our packagers can't figure out their circular
dependencies so something like apt would be well, more apt for them.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "nick G" <Nick6489@andrelouis.com>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 4:22 PM
Subject: Re: Fedora Core Three


> Hell Yeah!   Those VSFTPD packages on the FTP site which are now Superfluous
> because VSFTPD 2.0.1 is in FC3 were written by a Fedora user.  When I
> installed Fedora 1 back in February, I went threw Hell to get Icecast up and
> running.  With a lot of help from two people, one of them is our very own
> Bill Acker, I got Icecast working.  Those Icecast RPM's on the FTP site were
> written by Bill himself.  Now, Don't forget, it was my second day of working
> threw Linux, so I needed a lot of help, but the truth is that it's
> available, maybe more for Fedora because of it's universality...Hey is that
> a word?  What I mean is it supports a universal standard for packages...RPM
> anyone?
> Thanks,
> Nick
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "David Bruzos" <david@bruzos.org>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 10:56 AM
> Subject: Re: Fedora Core Three
>
>
> I agree.  Who ever posted that message has to be talking from a very
> ignorant position.  Fedora is a great distro and it certainly does not have
> any more problems than any of the other distributions.  There is a large an
> very active community around Fedora and it is very well supported by all of
> the software developers out there.  Also, there are RPM Fedora packages for
> almost anything you want...  So, you get a great distro plus the latest in
> available technology when you use FC.
> I am not saying that other distributions are not great or that Fedora is the
> best.  I am just saying that FC has earned the respect of millions of Linux
> users, because it is a quality product.
>
> David B.
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <willem@top.health.gov.za>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 1:20 AM
> Subject: Re: Fedora Core Three
>
>
> > You have obviously never used Fedora.
> >
> >
> > On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 dking@pimpsoft.com wrote:
> >
> >> Fedora is the unstable development version of the redhat version you
> >> have to pay for. As such its going to have allot of bugs in every
> >> release. It only exists to provide redhat with a cheap and effective
> >> way to test there for sale products; every user of any fedora release
> >> is simply a non paid beta tester.
> >>
> >> In my humble opinion I would stay away from it and never use fedora.
> >> Try debian if you can is its easy to update and maintain, debian
> >> testing if you want more stability then fedora but less bleeding
> >> edge.
> >>
> >> On 10 Nov 2004 at 17:13, ace wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hello all,
> >>>
> >>> My friend has just downloaded and installed Fedora Core Three on his
> >>> system.  He isn't using Speakup; he has enough vision to read the
> >>> console.  However, I have a few problems.  I administer the box remotely
> >>> with him.  We are having problems such as paths not being set (he has to
> >>> do
> >>> /usr/spin/adduser instead of just adduser), yum says something about how
> >>> we
> >>> set it to use GPG keys when we didn't!.  Yum said to type rpm --import
> >>> public.GPG.key and when I did this, I got an error.
> >>>
> >>> So, what's the problem?  Is Core 3 royally screwed or is it us?  another
> >>> thing, a friend told me to type chkconfig vsftpd off to turn off VSFTPD,
> >>> that returned command not found.  I want to disable VSFTPD
> >>> permanently.  Thanks a lot.
> >>>
> >>> Robby
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> Speakup mailing list
> >>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> >>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Speakup mailing list
> >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >>
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: Fedora Core Three

[Sean McMahon]

Of course some with an interest in selling a product is going to give a line
that will make you be unsure about a free version.  But that's economics, not
software.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <dking@pimpsoft.com>
To: <willem@top.health.gov.za>; "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."
<speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 10:46 PM
Subject: Re: Fedora Core Three


> Yes I have. I was told what I responded with by someone who at the
> time worked for redhat. I'm going to trust that he knew what he was
> talking about.
>
> Thank you for your concern anyway.
>
>  - D
>
>
> On 11 Nov 2004 at 8:20, Willem van der Waltwillem@top.health.gov. wrote:
>
> > You have obviously never used Fedora.
> >
> >
> > On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 dking@pimpsoft.com wrote:
> >
> > > Fedora is the unstable development version of the redhat version you
> > > have to pay for. As such its going to have allot of bugs in every
> > > release. It only exists to provide redhat with a cheap and effective
> > > way to test there for sale products; every user of any fedora release
> > > is simply a non paid beta tester.
> > >
> > > In my humble opinion I would stay away from it and never use fedora.
> > > Try debian if you can is its easy to update and maintain, debian
> > > testing if you want more stability then fedora but less bleeding
> > > edge.
> > >
> > > On 10 Nov 2004 at 17:13, ace wrote:
> > >
> > >> Hello all,
> > >>
> > >> My friend has just downloaded and installed Fedora Core Three on his
> > >> system.  He isn't using Speakup; he has enough vision to read the
> > >> console.  However, I have a few problems.  I administer the box remotely
> > >> with him.  We are having problems such as paths not being set (he has to
do
> > >> /usr/spin/adduser instead of just adduser), yum says something about how
we
> > >> set it to use GPG keys when we didn't!.  Yum said to type rpm --import
> > >> public.GPG.key and when I did this, I got an error.
> > >>
> > >> So, what's the problem?  Is Core 3 royally screwed or is it us?  another
> > >> thing, a friend told me to type chkconfig vsftpd off to turn off VSFTPD,
> > >> that returned command not found.  I want to disable VSFTPD
> > >> permanently.  Thanks a lot.
> > >>
> > >> Robby
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> _______________________________________________
> > >> Speakup mailing list
> > >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: Fedora Core Three

[Sean McMahon]

Janina, I love that word, kill list.  Can you point me to a howto on how to set
one up?
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@rednote.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Friday, November 12, 2004 6:55 AM
Subject: Re: Fedora Core Three


> I'm far too polite to say what I really think of this kind of flame
> baiting. You've just made it into my kill list--not that you care, I'm
> sure.
>
> We've had your kind here before. It doesn't work--this kind of inuendo
> with clear malice aforethought. Keep it up, and -- -- --
> dking@pimpsoft.com writes:
> > Yes I have. I was told what I responded with by someone who at the
> > time worked for redhat. I'm going to trust that he knew what he was
> > talking about.
> >
> > Thank you for your concern anyway.
> >
> >  - D
> >
> >
> > On 11 Nov 2004 at 8:20, Willem van der Waltwillem@top.health.gov. wrote:
> >
> > > You have obviously never used Fedora.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 dking@pimpsoft.com wrote:
> > >
> > > > Fedora is the unstable development version of the redhat version you
> > > > have to pay for. As such its going to have allot of bugs in every
> > > > release. It only exists to provide redhat with a cheap and effective
> > > > way to test there for sale products; every user of any fedora release
> > > > is simply a non paid beta tester.
> > > >
> > > > In my humble opinion I would stay away from it and never use fedora.
> > > > Try debian if you can is its easy to update and maintain, debian
> > > > testing if you want more stability then fedora but less bleeding
> > > > edge.
> > > >
> > > > On 10 Nov 2004 at 17:13, ace wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> Hello all,
> > > >>
> > > >> My friend has just downloaded and installed Fedora Core Three on his
> > > >> system.  He isn't using Speakup; he has enough vision to read the
> > > >> console.  However, I have a few problems.  I administer the box
remotely
> > > >> with him.  We are having problems such as paths not being set (he has
to do
> > > >> /usr/spin/adduser instead of just adduser), yum says something about
how we
> > > >> set it to use GPG keys when we didn't!.  Yum said to type rpm --import
> > > >> public.GPG.key and when I did this, I got an error.
> > > >>
> > > >> So, what's the problem?  Is Core 3 royally screwed or is it us?
another
> > > >> thing, a friend told me to type chkconfig vsftpd off to turn off
VSFTPD,
> > > >> that returned command not found.  I want to disable VSFTPD
> > > >> permanently.  Thanks a lot.
> > > >>
> > > >> Robby
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> _______________________________________________
> > > >> Speakup mailing list
> > > >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
> -- 
>
> Janina Sajka, Chair
> Accessibility Workgroup
> Free Standards Group (FSG)
>
> janina@freestandards.org Phone: +1 202.494.7040
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: Fedora Core Three

[Janina Sajka]

Sean McMahon writes:
> Janina, I love that word, kill list.  Can you point me to a howto on how to set

Don't know about a HOWTO, but suggest it's pretty easy to implement in
procmail. You could put recipies directly into your $HOME/.procmailrc,
but I use a separate file for all manner of things I don't care to hear
about.

So, some example code:

In my /home/janina/.procmailrc file I have:
#Directory for storing procmail log and rc files
PMDIR=$HOME/mail/.procmail
INCLUDERC=$PMDIR/rc.kills
And, in /home/janina/mail/.procmail/ there's a file called rc.kills with
lots of little procmail recipies like the following:


:0 :
        * ^From:.*pimpsoft
/dev/null

				Janina