* Fedora Core Three @ ace ` Janina Sajka ` dking 0 siblings, 2 replies; 18+ messages in thread From: ace @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup; +Cc: am.razvi Hello all, My friend has just downloaded and installed Fedora Core Three on his system. He isn't using Speakup; he has enough vision to read the console. However, I have a few problems. I administer the box remotely with him. We are having problems such as paths not being set (he has to do /usr/spin/adduser instead of just adduser), yum says something about how we set it to use GPG keys when we didn't!. Yum said to type rpm --import public.GPG.key and when I did this, I got an error. So, what's the problem? Is Core 3 royally screwed or is it us? another thing, a friend told me to type chkconfig vsftpd off to turn off VSFTPD, that returned command not found. I want to disable VSFTPD permanently. Thanks a lot. Robby ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 18+ messages in thread
* Re: Fedora Core Three Fedora Core Three ace @ ` Janina Sajka ` ace ` dking 1 sibling, 1 reply; 18+ messages in thread From: Janina Sajka @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. It sounds like your path isn't getting set. chkconfig is the correct command to enable and disable services at boot, but your syntax isn't correct. Check the man page. It should be something like: chkconfig --level 0123456 vsftpd off ace writes: > Hello all, > > My friend has just downloaded and installed Fedora Core Three on his > system. He isn't using Speakup; he has enough vision to read the > console. However, I have a few problems. I administer the box remotely > with him. We are having problems such as paths not being set (he has to do > /usr/spin/adduser instead of just adduser), yum says something about how we > set it to use GPG keys when we didn't!. Yum said to type rpm --import > public.GPG.key and when I did this, I got an error. > > So, what's the problem? Is Core 3 royally screwed or is it us? another > thing, a friend told me to type chkconfig vsftpd off to turn off VSFTPD, > that returned command not found. I want to disable VSFTPD > permanently. Thanks a lot. > > Robby > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup -- Janina Sajka, Chair Accessibility Workgroup Free Standards Group (FSG) janina@freestandards.org Phone: +1 202.494.7040 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 18+ messages in thread
* Re: Fedora Core Three ` Janina Sajka @ ` ace ` Janina Sajka 0 siblings, 1 reply; 18+ messages in thread From: ace @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Sorry to sound like a noob, but where does one modify the path? I saw it somewhere but don't remember where. Thanks in advance. At 03:22 PM 11/10/2004, you wrote: >It sounds like your path isn't getting set. chkconfig is the correct >command to enable and disable services at boot, but your syntax isn't >correct. Check the man page. It should be something like: > >chkconfig --level 0123456 vsftpd off > >ace writes: > > Hello all, > > > > My friend has just downloaded and installed Fedora Core Three on his > > system. He isn't using Speakup; he has enough vision to read the > > console. However, I have a few problems. I administer the box remotely > > with him. We are having problems such as paths not being set (he has > to do > > /usr/spin/adduser instead of just adduser), yum says something about > how we > > set it to use GPG keys when we didn't!. Yum said to type rpm --import > > public.GPG.key and when I did this, I got an error. > > > > So, what's the problem? Is Core 3 royally screwed or is it us? another > > thing, a friend told me to type chkconfig vsftpd off to turn off VSFTPD, > > that returned command not found. I want to disable VSFTPD > > permanently. Thanks a lot. > > > > Robby > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > >-- > > Janina Sajka, Chair > Accessibility Workgroup > Free Standards Group (FSG) > >janina@freestandards.org Phone: +1 202.494.7040 > > >_______________________________________________ >Speakup mailing list >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 18+ messages in thread
* Re: Fedora Core Three ` ace @ ` Janina Sajka ` ace 0 siblings, 1 reply; 18+ messages in thread From: Janina Sajka @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Problem is that it's managed via multiple files, and it's unclear where it's actually broken just from what you've reported. But, I'm concerned that your problem may be even worse. It rather seems as if the install never finished for whatever reason. Is that possible? The last stage runs various setup scripts and those would include setting paths, including initial settings for new users. Since this is a new install, you might want to simply reinstall and make sure it ends correctly. I have not seen any reports like yours on the Fedora lists. ace writes: > Sorry to sound like a noob, but where does one modify the path? I saw it > somewhere but don't remember where. Thanks in advance. > > At 03:22 PM 11/10/2004, you wrote: > >It sounds like your path isn't getting set. chkconfig is the correct > >command to enable and disable services at boot, but your syntax isn't > >correct. Check the man page. It should be something like: > > > >chkconfig --level 0123456 vsftpd off > > > >ace writes: > >> Hello all, > >> > >> My friend has just downloaded and installed Fedora Core Three on his > >> system. He isn't using Speakup; he has enough vision to read the > >> console. However, I have a few problems. I administer the box remotely > >> with him. We are having problems such as paths not being set (he has > >to do > >> /usr/spin/adduser instead of just adduser), yum says something about > >how we > >> set it to use GPG keys when we didn't!. Yum said to type rpm --import > >> public.GPG.key and when I did this, I got an error. > >> > >> So, what's the problem? Is Core 3 royally screwed or is it us? another > >> thing, a friend told me to type chkconfig vsftpd off to turn off VSFTPD, > >> that returned command not found. I want to disable VSFTPD > >> permanently. Thanks a lot. > >> > >> Robby > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Speakup mailing list > >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > >-- > > > > Janina Sajka, Chair > > Accessibility Workgroup > > Free Standards Group (FSG) > > > >janina@freestandards.org Phone: +1 202.494.7040 > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Speakup mailing list > >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup -- Janina Sajka, Chair Accessibility Workgroup Free Standards Group (FSG) janina@freestandards.org Phone: +1 202.494.7040 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 18+ messages in thread
* Re: Fedora Core Three ` Janina Sajka @ ` ace ` William F. Acker WB2FLW +1-303-722-7209 0 siblings, 1 reply; 18+ messages in thread From: ace @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Here is the funny thing: it is working now! I don't know if my friend messed with something but I went in to mess with it and it seems to be working fine now. Oh well, I shouldn't complain LOL. Only problem I have now is Yum saying I have it set up for GPG keys: [root@BlueBox ~]# yum update You have enabled checking of packages via GPG keys. This is a good thing. However, you do not have any GPG public keys installed. You need to download the keys for packages you wish to install and install them. You can do that by running the command: rpm --import public.GPG.key For more information contact your distribution or package provider. [root@BlueBox ~]# Can I disable this? thanks, Robby At 07:34 PM 11/10/2004, you wrote: >Problem is that it's managed via multiple files, and it's unclear where >it's actually broken just from what you've reported. > >But, I'm concerned that your problem may be even worse. It rather seems >as if the install never finished for whatever reason. Is that possible? >The last stage runs various setup scripts and those would include >setting paths, including initial settings for new users. Since this is a >new install, you might want to simply reinstall and make sure it ends >correctly. I have not seen any reports like yours on the Fedora lists. > >ace writes: > > Sorry to sound like a noob, but where does one modify the path? I saw it > > somewhere but don't remember where. Thanks in advance. > > > > At 03:22 PM 11/10/2004, you wrote: > > >It sounds like your path isn't getting set. chkconfig is the correct > > >command to enable and disable services at boot, but your syntax isn't > > >correct. Check the man page. It should be something like: > > > > > >chkconfig --level 0123456 vsftpd off > > > > > >ace writes: > > >> Hello all, > > >> > > >> My friend has just downloaded and installed Fedora Core Three on his > > >> system. He isn't using Speakup; he has enough vision to read the > > >> console. However, I have a few problems. I administer the box remotely > > >> with him. We are having problems such as paths not being set (he has > > >to do > > >> /usr/spin/adduser instead of just adduser), yum says something about > > >how we > > >> set it to use GPG keys when we didn't!. Yum said to type rpm --import > > >> public.GPG.key and when I did this, I got an error. > > >> > > >> So, what's the problem? Is Core 3 royally screwed or is it us? another > > >> thing, a friend told me to type chkconfig vsftpd off to turn off VSFTPD, > > >> that returned command not found. I want to disable VSFTPD > > >> permanently. Thanks a lot. > > >> > > >> Robby > > >> > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> Speakup mailing list > > >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > >-- > > > > > > Janina Sajka, Chair > > > Accessibility Workgroup > > > Free Standards Group (FSG) > > > > > >janina@freestandards.org Phone: +1 202.494.7040 > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > >Speakup mailing list > > >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > >-- > > Janina Sajka, Chair > Accessibility Workgroup > Free Standards Group (FSG) > >janina@freestandards.org Phone: +1 202.494.7040 > > >_______________________________________________ >Speakup mailing list >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 18+ messages in thread
* Re: Fedora Core Three ` ace @ ` William F. Acker WB2FLW +1-303-722-7209 0 siblings, 0 replies; 18+ messages in thread From: William F. Acker WB2FLW +1-303-722-7209 @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Hi, To fix the key problem do: rpm --import /usr/share/doc/fedora-release-3/RPM-GPG-KEY* I wonder if your problem with paths was from using the su command to become root without the dash at the end. BTW, this phone freak loves your hostname! -- Bill in Denver On Wed, 10 Nov 2004, ace wrote: > Here is the funny thing: it is working now! I don't know if my friend messed > with something but I went in to mess with it and it seems to be working fine > now. Oh well, I shouldn't complain LOL. > > Only problem I have now is Yum saying I have it set up for GPG keys: > [root@BlueBox ~]# yum update > > You have enabled checking of packages via GPG keys. This is a good thing. > However, you do not have any GPG public keys installed. You need to download > the keys for packages you wish to install and install them. > You can do that by running the command: > rpm --import public.GPG.key > For more information contact your distribution or package provider. > [root@BlueBox ~]# > > Can I disable this? > > thanks, > Robby > At 07:34 PM 11/10/2004, you wrote: >> Problem is that it's managed via multiple files, and it's unclear where >> it's actually broken just from what you've reported. >> >> But, I'm concerned that your problem may be even worse. It rather seems >> as if the install never finished for whatever reason. Is that possible? >> The last stage runs various setup scripts and those would include >> setting paths, including initial settings for new users. Since this is a >> new install, you might want to simply reinstall and make sure it ends >> correctly. I have not seen any reports like yours on the Fedora lists. >> >> ace writes: >> > Sorry to sound like a noob, but where does one modify the path? I saw it >> > somewhere but don't remember where. Thanks in advance. >> > >> > At 03:22 PM 11/10/2004, you wrote: >> > >It sounds like your path isn't getting set. chkconfig is the correct >> > >command to enable and disable services at boot, but your syntax isn't >> > >correct. Check the man page. It should be something like: >> > > >> > >chkconfig --level 0123456 vsftpd off >> > > >> > >ace writes: >> > >> Hello all, >> > >> >> > >> My friend has just downloaded and installed Fedora Core Three on his >> > >> system. He isn't using Speakup; he has enough vision to read the >> > >> console. However, I have a few problems. I administer the box >> remotely >> > >> with him. We are having problems such as paths not being set (he has >> > >to do >> > >> /usr/spin/adduser instead of just adduser), yum says something about >> > >how we >> > >> set it to use GPG keys when we didn't!. Yum said to type rpm --import >> > >> public.GPG.key and when I did this, I got an error. >> > >> >> > >> So, what's the problem? Is Core 3 royally screwed or is it us? >> another >> > >> thing, a friend told me to type chkconfig vsftpd off to turn off >> VSFTPD, >> > >> that returned command not found. I want to disable VSFTPD >> > >> permanently. Thanks a lot. >> > >> >> > >> Robby >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> > >> Speakup mailing list >> > >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >> > >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >> > > >> > >-- >> > > >> > > Janina Sajka, Chair >> > > Accessibility Workgroup >> > > Free Standards Group (FSG) >> > > >> > >janina@freestandards.org Phone: +1 202.494.7040 >> > > >> > > >> > >_______________________________________________ >> > >Speakup mailing list >> > >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >> > >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Speakup mailing list >> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >> >> -- >> >> Janina Sajka, Chair >> Accessibility Workgroup >> Free Standards Group (FSG) >> >> janina@freestandards.org Phone: +1 202.494.7040 >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Speakup mailing list >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 18+ messages in thread
* Re: Fedora Core Three Fedora Core Three ace ` Janina Sajka @ ` dking ` Janina Sajka ` Willem van der Walt<willem@top.health.gov.za> 1 sibling, 2 replies; 18+ messages in thread From: dking @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: ace, speakup Fedora is the unstable development version of the redhat version you have to pay for. As such its going to have allot of bugs in every release. It only exists to provide redhat with a cheap and effective way to test there for sale products; every user of any fedora release is simply a non paid beta tester. In my humble opinion I would stay away from it and never use fedora. Try debian if you can is its easy to update and maintain, debian testing if you want more stability then fedora but less bleeding edge. On 10 Nov 2004 at 17:13, ace wrote: > Hello all, > > My friend has just downloaded and installed Fedora Core Three on his > system. He isn't using Speakup; he has enough vision to read the > console. However, I have a few problems. I administer the box remotely > with him. We are having problems such as paths not being set (he has to do > /usr/spin/adduser instead of just adduser), yum says something about how we > set it to use GPG keys when we didn't!. Yum said to type rpm --import > public.GPG.key and when I did this, I got an error. > > So, what's the problem? Is Core 3 royally screwed or is it us? another > thing, a friend told me to type chkconfig vsftpd off to turn off VSFTPD, > that returned command not found. I want to disable VSFTPD > permanently. Thanks a lot. > > Robby > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 18+ messages in thread
* Re: Fedora Core Three ` dking @ ` Janina Sajka ` Willem van der Walt<willem@top.health.gov.za> 1 sibling, 0 replies; 18+ messages in thread From: Janina Sajka @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. This is not true. Please do not go around saying such things. Please refer to the following web page to correct your misapprehension: http://fedora.redhat.com/ dking@pimpsoft.com writes: > Fedora is the unstable development version of the redhat version you > have to pay for. As such its going to have allot of bugs in every > release. It only exists to provide redhat with a cheap and effective > way to test there for sale products; every user of any fedora release > is simply a non paid beta tester. > > In my humble opinion I would stay away from it and never use fedora. > Try debian if you can is its easy to update and maintain, debian > testing if you want more stability then fedora but less bleeding > edge. > > On 10 Nov 2004 at 17:13, ace wrote: > > > Hello all, > > > > My friend has just downloaded and installed Fedora Core Three on his > > system. He isn't using Speakup; he has enough vision to read the > > console. However, I have a few problems. I administer the box remotely > > with him. We are having problems such as paths not being set (he has to do > > /usr/spin/adduser instead of just adduser), yum says something about how we > > set it to use GPG keys when we didn't!. Yum said to type rpm --import > > public.GPG.key and when I did this, I got an error. > > > > So, what's the problem? Is Core 3 royally screwed or is it us? another > > thing, a friend told me to type chkconfig vsftpd off to turn off VSFTPD, > > that returned command not found. I want to disable VSFTPD > > permanently. Thanks a lot. > > > > Robby > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup -- Janina Sajka, Chair Accessibility Workgroup Free Standards Group (FSG) janina@freestandards.org Phone: +1 202.494.7040 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 18+ messages in thread
* Re: Fedora Core Three ` dking ` Janina Sajka @ ` Willem van der Walt<willem@top.health.gov.za> ` David Bruzos ` dking 1 sibling, 2 replies; 18+ messages in thread From: Willem van der Walt<willem@top.health.gov.za> @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. You have obviously never used Fedora. On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 dking@pimpsoft.com wrote: > Fedora is the unstable development version of the redhat version you > have to pay for. As such its going to have allot of bugs in every > release. It only exists to provide redhat with a cheap and effective > way to test there for sale products; every user of any fedora release > is simply a non paid beta tester. > > In my humble opinion I would stay away from it and never use fedora. > Try debian if you can is its easy to update and maintain, debian > testing if you want more stability then fedora but less bleeding > edge. > > On 10 Nov 2004 at 17:13, ace wrote: > >> Hello all, >> >> My friend has just downloaded and installed Fedora Core Three on his >> system. He isn't using Speakup; he has enough vision to read the >> console. However, I have a few problems. I administer the box remotely >> with him. We are having problems such as paths not being set (he has to do >> /usr/spin/adduser instead of just adduser), yum says something about how we >> set it to use GPG keys when we didn't!. Yum said to type rpm --import >> public.GPG.key and when I did this, I got an error. >> >> So, what's the problem? Is Core 3 royally screwed or is it us? another >> thing, a friend told me to type chkconfig vsftpd off to turn off VSFTPD, >> that returned command not found. I want to disable VSFTPD >> permanently. Thanks a lot. >> >> Robby >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Speakup mailing list >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 18+ messages in thread
* Re: Fedora Core Three ` Willem van der Walt<willem@top.health.gov.za> @ ` David Bruzos ` nick G ` dking 1 sibling, 1 reply; 18+ messages in thread From: David Bruzos @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. I agree. Who ever posted that message has to be talking from a very ignorant position. Fedora is a great distro and it certainly does not have any more problems than any of the other distributions. There is a large an very active community around Fedora and it is very well supported by all of the software developers out there. Also, there are RPM Fedora packages for almost anything you want... So, you get a great distro plus the latest in available technology when you use FC. I am not saying that other distributions are not great or that Fedora is the best. I am just saying that FC has earned the respect of millions of Linux users, because it is a quality product. David B. ----- Original Message ----- From: <willem@top.health.gov.za> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 1:20 AM Subject: Re: Fedora Core Three > You have obviously never used Fedora. > > > On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 dking@pimpsoft.com wrote: > >> Fedora is the unstable development version of the redhat version you >> have to pay for. As such its going to have allot of bugs in every >> release. It only exists to provide redhat with a cheap and effective >> way to test there for sale products; every user of any fedora release >> is simply a non paid beta tester. >> >> In my humble opinion I would stay away from it and never use fedora. >> Try debian if you can is its easy to update and maintain, debian >> testing if you want more stability then fedora but less bleeding >> edge. >> >> On 10 Nov 2004 at 17:13, ace wrote: >> >>> Hello all, >>> >>> My friend has just downloaded and installed Fedora Core Three on his >>> system. He isn't using Speakup; he has enough vision to read the >>> console. However, I have a few problems. I administer the box remotely >>> with him. We are having problems such as paths not being set (he has to >>> do >>> /usr/spin/adduser instead of just adduser), yum says something about how >>> we >>> set it to use GPG keys when we didn't!. Yum said to type rpm --import >>> public.GPG.key and when I did this, I got an error. >>> >>> So, what's the problem? Is Core 3 royally screwed or is it us? another >>> thing, a friend told me to type chkconfig vsftpd off to turn off VSFTPD, >>> that returned command not found. I want to disable VSFTPD >>> permanently. Thanks a lot. >>> >>> Robby >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Speakup mailing list >>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Speakup mailing list >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >> > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 18+ messages in thread
* Re: Fedora Core Three ` David Bruzos @ ` nick G ` Sean McMahon 0 siblings, 1 reply; 18+ messages in thread From: nick G @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Hell Yeah! Those VSFTPD packages on the FTP site which are now Superfluous because VSFTPD 2.0.1 is in FC3 were written by a Fedora user. When I installed Fedora 1 back in February, I went threw Hell to get Icecast up and running. With a lot of help from two people, one of them is our very own Bill Acker, I got Icecast working. Those Icecast RPM's on the FTP site were written by Bill himself. Now, Don't forget, it was my second day of working threw Linux, so I needed a lot of help, but the truth is that it's available, maybe more for Fedora because of it's universality...Hey is that a word? What I mean is it supports a universal standard for packages...RPM anyone? Thanks, Nick ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Bruzos" <david@bruzos.org> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 10:56 AM Subject: Re: Fedora Core Three I agree. Who ever posted that message has to be talking from a very ignorant position. Fedora is a great distro and it certainly does not have any more problems than any of the other distributions. There is a large an very active community around Fedora and it is very well supported by all of the software developers out there. Also, there are RPM Fedora packages for almost anything you want... So, you get a great distro plus the latest in available technology when you use FC. I am not saying that other distributions are not great or that Fedora is the best. I am just saying that FC has earned the respect of millions of Linux users, because it is a quality product. David B. ----- Original Message ----- From: <willem@top.health.gov.za> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 1:20 AM Subject: Re: Fedora Core Three > You have obviously never used Fedora. > > > On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 dking@pimpsoft.com wrote: > >> Fedora is the unstable development version of the redhat version you >> have to pay for. As such its going to have allot of bugs in every >> release. It only exists to provide redhat with a cheap and effective >> way to test there for sale products; every user of any fedora release >> is simply a non paid beta tester. >> >> In my humble opinion I would stay away from it and never use fedora. >> Try debian if you can is its easy to update and maintain, debian >> testing if you want more stability then fedora but less bleeding >> edge. >> >> On 10 Nov 2004 at 17:13, ace wrote: >> >>> Hello all, >>> >>> My friend has just downloaded and installed Fedora Core Three on his >>> system. He isn't using Speakup; he has enough vision to read the >>> console. However, I have a few problems. I administer the box remotely >>> with him. We are having problems such as paths not being set (he has to >>> do >>> /usr/spin/adduser instead of just adduser), yum says something about how >>> we >>> set it to use GPG keys when we didn't!. Yum said to type rpm --import >>> public.GPG.key and when I did this, I got an error. >>> >>> So, what's the problem? Is Core 3 royally screwed or is it us? another >>> thing, a friend told me to type chkconfig vsftpd off to turn off VSFTPD, >>> that returned command not found. I want to disable VSFTPD >>> permanently. Thanks a lot. >>> >>> Robby >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Speakup mailing list >>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Speakup mailing list >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >> > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup _______________________________________________ Speakup mailing list Speakup@braille.uwo.ca http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 18+ messages in thread
* Re: Fedora Core Three ` nick G @ ` Sean McMahon 0 siblings, 0 replies; 18+ messages in thread From: Sean McMahon @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Unfortunately rpm is universal. We even use it on solaris here. I say unfortunately because to mnany of our packagers can't figure out their circular dependencies so something like apt would be well, more apt for them. ----- Original Message ----- From: "nick G" <Nick6489@andrelouis.com> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 4:22 PM Subject: Re: Fedora Core Three > Hell Yeah! Those VSFTPD packages on the FTP site which are now Superfluous > because VSFTPD 2.0.1 is in FC3 were written by a Fedora user. When I > installed Fedora 1 back in February, I went threw Hell to get Icecast up and > running. With a lot of help from two people, one of them is our very own > Bill Acker, I got Icecast working. Those Icecast RPM's on the FTP site were > written by Bill himself. Now, Don't forget, it was my second day of working > threw Linux, so I needed a lot of help, but the truth is that it's > available, maybe more for Fedora because of it's universality...Hey is that > a word? What I mean is it supports a universal standard for packages...RPM > anyone? > Thanks, > Nick > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Bruzos" <david@bruzos.org> > To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> > Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 10:56 AM > Subject: Re: Fedora Core Three > > > I agree. Who ever posted that message has to be talking from a very > ignorant position. Fedora is a great distro and it certainly does not have > any more problems than any of the other distributions. There is a large an > very active community around Fedora and it is very well supported by all of > the software developers out there. Also, there are RPM Fedora packages for > almost anything you want... So, you get a great distro plus the latest in > available technology when you use FC. > I am not saying that other distributions are not great or that Fedora is the > best. I am just saying that FC has earned the respect of millions of Linux > users, because it is a quality product. > > David B. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <willem@top.health.gov.za> > To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> > Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 1:20 AM > Subject: Re: Fedora Core Three > > > > You have obviously never used Fedora. > > > > > > On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 dking@pimpsoft.com wrote: > > > >> Fedora is the unstable development version of the redhat version you > >> have to pay for. As such its going to have allot of bugs in every > >> release. It only exists to provide redhat with a cheap and effective > >> way to test there for sale products; every user of any fedora release > >> is simply a non paid beta tester. > >> > >> In my humble opinion I would stay away from it and never use fedora. > >> Try debian if you can is its easy to update and maintain, debian > >> testing if you want more stability then fedora but less bleeding > >> edge. > >> > >> On 10 Nov 2004 at 17:13, ace wrote: > >> > >>> Hello all, > >>> > >>> My friend has just downloaded and installed Fedora Core Three on his > >>> system. He isn't using Speakup; he has enough vision to read the > >>> console. However, I have a few problems. I administer the box remotely > >>> with him. We are having problems such as paths not being set (he has to > >>> do > >>> /usr/spin/adduser instead of just adduser), yum says something about how > >>> we > >>> set it to use GPG keys when we didn't!. Yum said to type rpm --import > >>> public.GPG.key and when I did this, I got an error. > >>> > >>> So, what's the problem? Is Core 3 royally screwed or is it us? another > >>> thing, a friend told me to type chkconfig vsftpd off to turn off VSFTPD, > >>> that returned command not found. I want to disable VSFTPD > >>> permanently. Thanks a lot. > >>> > >>> Robby > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Speakup mailing list > >>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > >>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Speakup mailing list > >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 18+ messages in thread
* Re: Fedora Core Three ` Willem van der Walt<willem@top.health.gov.za> ` David Bruzos @ ` dking ` Janina Sajka ` (2 more replies) 1 sibling, 3 replies; 18+ messages in thread From: dking @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Willem van der Walt<willem@top.health.gov.za>, Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Yes I have. I was told what I responded with by someone who at the time worked for redhat. I'm going to trust that he knew what he was talking about. Thank you for your concern anyway. - D On 11 Nov 2004 at 8:20, Willem van der Waltwillem@top.health.gov. wrote: > You have obviously never used Fedora. > > > On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 dking@pimpsoft.com wrote: > > > Fedora is the unstable development version of the redhat version you > > have to pay for. As such its going to have allot of bugs in every > > release. It only exists to provide redhat with a cheap and effective > > way to test there for sale products; every user of any fedora release > > is simply a non paid beta tester. > > > > In my humble opinion I would stay away from it and never use fedora. > > Try debian if you can is its easy to update and maintain, debian > > testing if you want more stability then fedora but less bleeding > > edge. > > > > On 10 Nov 2004 at 17:13, ace wrote: > > > >> Hello all, > >> > >> My friend has just downloaded and installed Fedora Core Three on his > >> system. He isn't using Speakup; he has enough vision to read the > >> console. However, I have a few problems. I administer the box remotely > >> with him. We are having problems such as paths not being set (he has to do > >> /usr/spin/adduser instead of just adduser), yum says something about how we > >> set it to use GPG keys when we didn't!. Yum said to type rpm --import > >> public.GPG.key and when I did this, I got an error. > >> > >> So, what's the problem? Is Core 3 royally screwed or is it us? another > >> thing, a friend told me to type chkconfig vsftpd off to turn off VSFTPD, > >> that returned command not found. I want to disable VSFTPD > >> permanently. Thanks a lot. > >> > >> Robby > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Speakup mailing list > >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 18+ messages in thread
* Re: Fedora Core Three ` dking @ ` Janina Sajka ` Sean McMahon ` Janina Sajka ` Sean McMahon 2 siblings, 1 reply; 18+ messages in thread From: Janina Sajka @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. I'm far too polite to say what I really think of this kind of flame baiting. You've just made it into my kill list--not that you care, I'm sure. We've had your kind here before. It doesn't work--this kind of inuendo with clear malice aforethought. Keep it up, and -- -- -- dking@pimpsoft.com writes: > Yes I have. I was told what I responded with by someone who at the > time worked for redhat. I'm going to trust that he knew what he was > talking about. > > Thank you for your concern anyway. > > - D > > > On 11 Nov 2004 at 8:20, Willem van der Waltwillem@top.health.gov. wrote: > > > You have obviously never used Fedora. > > > > > > On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 dking@pimpsoft.com wrote: > > > > > Fedora is the unstable development version of the redhat version you > > > have to pay for. As such its going to have allot of bugs in every > > > release. It only exists to provide redhat with a cheap and effective > > > way to test there for sale products; every user of any fedora release > > > is simply a non paid beta tester. > > > > > > In my humble opinion I would stay away from it and never use fedora. > > > Try debian if you can is its easy to update and maintain, debian > > > testing if you want more stability then fedora but less bleeding > > > edge. > > > > > > On 10 Nov 2004 at 17:13, ace wrote: > > > > > >> Hello all, > > >> > > >> My friend has just downloaded and installed Fedora Core Three on his > > >> system. He isn't using Speakup; he has enough vision to read the > > >> console. However, I have a few problems. I administer the box remotely > > >> with him. We are having problems such as paths not being set (he has to do > > >> /usr/spin/adduser instead of just adduser), yum says something about how we > > >> set it to use GPG keys when we didn't!. Yum said to type rpm --import > > >> public.GPG.key and when I did this, I got an error. > > >> > > >> So, what's the problem? Is Core 3 royally screwed or is it us? another > > >> thing, a friend told me to type chkconfig vsftpd off to turn off VSFTPD, > > >> that returned command not found. I want to disable VSFTPD > > >> permanently. Thanks a lot. > > >> > > >> Robby > > >> > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> Speakup mailing list > > >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Speakup mailing list > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup -- Janina Sajka, Chair Accessibility Workgroup Free Standards Group (FSG) janina@freestandards.org Phone: +1 202.494.7040 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 18+ messages in thread
* Re: Fedora Core Three ` Janina Sajka @ ` Sean McMahon ` Janina Sajka 0 siblings, 1 reply; 18+ messages in thread From: Sean McMahon @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Janina, I love that word, kill list. Can you point me to a howto on how to set one up? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@rednote.net> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> Sent: Friday, November 12, 2004 6:55 AM Subject: Re: Fedora Core Three > I'm far too polite to say what I really think of this kind of flame > baiting. You've just made it into my kill list--not that you care, I'm > sure. > > We've had your kind here before. It doesn't work--this kind of inuendo > with clear malice aforethought. Keep it up, and -- -- -- > dking@pimpsoft.com writes: > > Yes I have. I was told what I responded with by someone who at the > > time worked for redhat. I'm going to trust that he knew what he was > > talking about. > > > > Thank you for your concern anyway. > > > > - D > > > > > > On 11 Nov 2004 at 8:20, Willem van der Waltwillem@top.health.gov. wrote: > > > > > You have obviously never used Fedora. > > > > > > > > > On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 dking@pimpsoft.com wrote: > > > > > > > Fedora is the unstable development version of the redhat version you > > > > have to pay for. As such its going to have allot of bugs in every > > > > release. It only exists to provide redhat with a cheap and effective > > > > way to test there for sale products; every user of any fedora release > > > > is simply a non paid beta tester. > > > > > > > > In my humble opinion I would stay away from it and never use fedora. > > > > Try debian if you can is its easy to update and maintain, debian > > > > testing if you want more stability then fedora but less bleeding > > > > edge. > > > > > > > > On 10 Nov 2004 at 17:13, ace wrote: > > > > > > > >> Hello all, > > > >> > > > >> My friend has just downloaded and installed Fedora Core Three on his > > > >> system. He isn't using Speakup; he has enough vision to read the > > > >> console. However, I have a few problems. I administer the box remotely > > > >> with him. We are having problems such as paths not being set (he has to do > > > >> /usr/spin/adduser instead of just adduser), yum says something about how we > > > >> set it to use GPG keys when we didn't!. Yum said to type rpm --import > > > >> public.GPG.key and when I did this, I got an error. > > > >> > > > >> So, what's the problem? Is Core 3 royally screwed or is it us? another > > > >> thing, a friend told me to type chkconfig vsftpd off to turn off VSFTPD, > > > >> that returned command not found. I want to disable VSFTPD > > > >> permanently. Thanks a lot. > > > >> > > > >> Robby > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> _______________________________________________ > > > >> Speakup mailing list > > > >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > > >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Speakup mailing list > > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Speakup mailing list > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > -- > > Janina Sajka, Chair > Accessibility Workgroup > Free Standards Group (FSG) > > janina@freestandards.org Phone: +1 202.494.7040 > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 18+ messages in thread
* Re: Fedora Core Three ` Sean McMahon @ ` Janina Sajka 0 siblings, 0 replies; 18+ messages in thread From: Janina Sajka @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Sean McMahon, Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Sean McMahon writes: > Janina, I love that word, kill list. Can you point me to a howto on how to set Don't know about a HOWTO, but suggest it's pretty easy to implement in procmail. You could put recipies directly into your $HOME/.procmailrc, but I use a separate file for all manner of things I don't care to hear about. So, some example code: In my /home/janina/.procmailrc file I have: #Directory for storing procmail log and rc files PMDIR=$HOME/mail/.procmail INCLUDERC=$PMDIR/rc.kills And, in /home/janina/mail/.procmail/ there's a file called rc.kills with lots of little procmail recipies like the following: :0 : * ^From:.*pimpsoft /dev/null Janina ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 18+ messages in thread
* Re: Fedora Core Three ` dking ` Janina Sajka @ ` Janina Sajka ` Sean McMahon 2 siblings, 0 replies; 18+ messages in thread From: Janina Sajka @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Come to think of it, his domain name says it all. Scum for sure. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 18+ messages in thread
* Re: Fedora Core Three ` dking ` Janina Sajka ` Janina Sajka @ ` Sean McMahon 2 siblings, 0 replies; 18+ messages in thread From: Sean McMahon @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Of course some with an interest in selling a product is going to give a line that will make you be unsure about a free version. But that's economics, not software. ----- Original Message ----- From: <dking@pimpsoft.com> To: <willem@top.health.gov.za>; "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 10:46 PM Subject: Re: Fedora Core Three > Yes I have. I was told what I responded with by someone who at the > time worked for redhat. I'm going to trust that he knew what he was > talking about. > > Thank you for your concern anyway. > > - D > > > On 11 Nov 2004 at 8:20, Willem van der Waltwillem@top.health.gov. wrote: > > > You have obviously never used Fedora. > > > > > > On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 dking@pimpsoft.com wrote: > > > > > Fedora is the unstable development version of the redhat version you > > > have to pay for. As such its going to have allot of bugs in every > > > release. It only exists to provide redhat with a cheap and effective > > > way to test there for sale products; every user of any fedora release > > > is simply a non paid beta tester. > > > > > > In my humble opinion I would stay away from it and never use fedora. > > > Try debian if you can is its easy to update and maintain, debian > > > testing if you want more stability then fedora but less bleeding > > > edge. > > > > > > On 10 Nov 2004 at 17:13, ace wrote: > > > > > >> Hello all, > > >> > > >> My friend has just downloaded and installed Fedora Core Three on his > > >> system. He isn't using Speakup; he has enough vision to read the > > >> console. However, I have a few problems. I administer the box remotely > > >> with him. We are having problems such as paths not being set (he has to do > > >> /usr/spin/adduser instead of just adduser), yum says something about how we > > >> set it to use GPG keys when we didn't!. Yum said to type rpm --import > > >> public.GPG.key and when I did this, I got an error. > > >> > > >> So, what's the problem? Is Core 3 royally screwed or is it us? another > > >> thing, a friend told me to type chkconfig vsftpd off to turn off VSFTPD, > > >> that returned command not found. I want to disable VSFTPD > > >> permanently. Thanks a lot. > > >> > > >> Robby > > >> > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> Speakup mailing list > > >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Speakup mailing list > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 18+ messages in thread
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