user friendly browsers

user friendly browsers

[Ed Thurston]

Hello all,

I am very much a newbie!  Around three months ago a friend set up this
Linux system for me and gave me some start up instructions.   I am using
Speakup, SlackWare, Elm, Joe and Lynx.  I am not sure of the versions of
any of the foregoing, but they were the latest available three months ago.
everything is going great so far except for  Lynx.

Whenever I load it, I get some general instructions and several links.
After clicking on a link I go to the Lynx web site and they want me to down
load andinstall that particular program.  However, I already have a lynx
program loaded and all I want is to get to it's command line so that I can
use the net.

Also After reading a manual on Lynx or rather a very long list of many
pages of commands, I am wondering if if there is a more user friendly web
browser?  I heard somewhere about one called w3m, but don't know if it has
a version for Linux.  does anyone have any information on it?

I would be very appreciative for any assistance anyone  can give me.

Ed,

Re: user friendly browsers

[Lawrence Baggett]

Hi Ed,
I think you just need some simple setup files
to make lynx work quite nicely.
I will email you a copy of a file I use.
It should be called either .lynxrc
or lynx.config

Depending on your version of lynx,
one of these names works and the other may not.
Stand by, and I'll send you that file.
Best of luck,
Larry

Re: user friendly browsers

[Ed Thurston]

Hi Ann,

Many thanks for the additional info.  I am really starting from scratch and
every bit helps.  My friend who set up the computer was very pushed for
time and did a great installation,but ran out of time before showing me
many  of the ropes.

Many thanks for  the Speakup tutorial, you did a great job!

Till next time,

Ed,

At 07:04 PM 7/4/2001 -0400, you wrote:
>Hi all,
>
>Larry, you can't leave the poor guy in the cold like that.  If you'll
>pardon my "french" you got to give him the whole loaf not just half a
>bagget.  
>
>Ed when you get his file up and running, start Lynx by typing the
>following:
>
>lynx http://linux-speakup.org
>
>Or whatever site takes your fancy.  You can get to additional links by
>typing a g for go and entering the URL you want in the edit field.
>Use the right and left arrows to go back and forward between pages.
>Then, if you want to save a site to your bookmarks file, type an a.
>If you want to download something, type a capital D on the link to the
>thing you want to download.
>
>Those commands should get you started.  After you work with the big
>cat a while, you'll discover it's really friendly and you can make it
>purr.  
>
>Ann P.
> 
>-- 
>			Ann K. Parsons  
>email:  akp@eznet.net 			ICQ Number:  33006854
>WEB SITE:  http://home.eznet.net/~akp
>"All that is gold does not glitter.  Not all those who wander are lost."
JRRT
>
>
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>Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
>
>

Re: user friendly browsers

[Ed Thurston]

Hello chuck,

Many thanks about the help command.  That sounds like music to tired ears!

Ed,

At 07:55 PM 7/4/2001 -0400, you wrote:
>
>Also - once you get Lynx running you can just type a question mark to
>bring up a marvelous set of help documents.
>Chuck
>
>On Wed, 4 Jul 2001, Ann Parsons wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> Larry, you can't leave the poor guy in the cold like that.  If you'll
>> pardon my "french" you got to give him the whole loaf not just half a
>> bagget.  
>> 
>> Ed when you get his file up and running, start Lynx by typing the
>> following:
>> 
>> lynx http://linux-speakup.org
>> 
>> Or whatever site takes your fancy.  You can get to additional links by
>> typing a g for go and entering the URL you want in the edit field.
>> Use the right and left arrows to go back and forward between pages.
>> Then, if you want to save a site to your bookmarks file, type an a.
>> If you want to download something, type a capital D on the link to the
>> thing you want to download.
>> 
>> Those commands should get you started.  After you work with the big
>> cat a while, you'll discover it's really friendly and you can make it
>> purr.  
>> 
>> Ann P.
>>  
>> 
>
>Visit me at http://www.mhonline.net/~chuckh 
>The Moon is Full
>
>
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>Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
>
>

Re: user friendly browsers

[Ann Parsons]

Hi all,

Larry, you can't leave the poor guy in the cold like that.  If you'll
pardon my "french" you got to give him the whole loaf not just half a
bagget.  

Ed when you get his file up and running, start Lynx by typing the
following:

lynx http://linux-speakup.org

Or whatever site takes your fancy.  You can get to additional links by
typing a g for go and entering the URL you want in the edit field.
Use the right and left arrows to go back and forward between pages.
Then, if you want to save a site to your bookmarks file, type an a.
If you want to download something, type a capital D on the link to the
thing you want to download.

Those commands should get you started.  After you work with the big
cat a while, you'll discover it's really friendly and you can make it
purr.  

Ann P.
 
-- 
			Ann K. Parsons  
email:  akp@eznet.net 			ICQ Number:  33006854
WEB SITE:  http://home.eznet.net/~akp
"All that is gold does not glitter.  Not all those who wander are lost."  JRRT

Re: user friendly browsers

[Charles Hallenbeck]

Also - once you get Lynx running you can just type a question mark to
bring up a marvelous set of help documents.
Chuck

On Wed, 4 Jul 2001, Ann Parsons wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> Larry, you can't leave the poor guy in the cold like that.  If you'll
> pardon my "french" you got to give him the whole loaf not just half a
> bagget.  
> 
> Ed when you get his file up and running, start Lynx by typing the
> following:
> 
> lynx http://linux-speakup.org
> 
> Or whatever site takes your fancy.  You can get to additional links by
> typing a g for go and entering the URL you want in the edit field.
> Use the right and left arrows to go back and forward between pages.
> Then, if you want to save a site to your bookmarks file, type an a.
> If you want to download something, type a capital D on the link to the
> thing you want to download.
> 
> Those commands should get you started.  After you work with the big
> cat a while, you'll discover it's really friendly and you can make it
> purr.  
> 
> Ann P.
>  
> 

Visit me at http://www.mhonline.net/~chuckh 
The Moon is Full

Re: user friendly browsers

[Janina Sajka]

What happens if you press the letter g and then type in a uri such as:

	http://www.linux-speakup.org

and press enter? Does the speakup web site home page come up?

PS: Where is your cursor while you're in Lynx? Press the dot key on the
numeric keypad to find out. The dot is the smaller key between insert/0
and the enter key on the numeric keypad.

PSS: Is link numbering turned on in your lynx? Or do you just not like
that? I ask because most blind lynx users prefer this, in my experience.

Please tell us a little more. I am very sure we can turn you into a fan of
lynx.

On Wed, 4 Jul 2001, Ed Thurston wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> I am very much a newbie!  Around three months ago a friend set up this
> Linux system for me and gave me some start up instructions.   I am using
> Speakup, SlackWare, Elm, Joe and Lynx.  I am not sure of the versions of
> any of the foregoing, but they were the latest available three months ago.
> everything is going great so far except for  Lynx.
>
> Whenever I load it, I get some general instructions and several links.
> After clicking on a link I go to the Lynx web site and they want me to down
> load andinstall that particular program.  However, I already have a lynx
> program loaded and all I want is to get to it's command line so that I can
> use the net.
>
> Also After reading a manual on Lynx or rather a very long list of many
> pages of commands, I am wondering if if there is a more user friendly web
> browser?  I heard somewhere about one called w3m, but don't know if it has
> a version for Linux.  does anyone have any information on it?
>
> I would be very appreciative for any assistance anyone  can give me.
>
> Ed,
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

-- 

				Janina Sajka, Director
				Technology Research and Development
				Governmental Relations Group
				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)

Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175

Chair, Accessibility SIG
Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
http://www.openebook.org

Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper,
Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.html

Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther
King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at
http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp

Learn how to make accessible software at http://www.afb.org/technology/accessapp.html

Re: user friendly browsers

[Gregory Nowak]

I don't think that he is aware of the cfg
file's exsistents, let alone how and what
to change in it to get
the desired behaivor.
I can't really help much here,
as I copied my already modified
lynx.cfg from the zipslack distro.
Greg


On Wed, Jul 04, 2001 at 08:29:23PM -0500, Janina Sajka wrote:
> What happens if you press the letter g and then type in a uri such as:
> 
> 	http://www.linux-speakup.org
> 
> and press enter? Does the speakup web site home page come up?
> 
> PS: Where is your cursor while you're in Lynx? Press the dot key on the
> numeric keypad to find out. The dot is the smaller key between insert/0
> and the enter key on the numeric keypad.
> 
> PSS: Is link numbering turned on in your lynx? Or do you just not like
> that? I ask because most blind lynx users prefer this, in my experience.
> 
> Please tell us a little more. I am very sure we can turn you into a fan of
> lynx.
> 
> On Wed, 4 Jul 2001, Ed Thurston wrote:
> 
> > Hello all,
> >
> > I am very much a newbie!  Around three months ago a friend set up this
> > Linux system for me and gave me some start up instructions.   I am using
> > Speakup, SlackWare, Elm, Joe and Lynx.  I am not sure of the versions of
> > any of the foregoing, but they were the latest available three months ago.
> > everything is going great so far except for  Lynx.
> >
> > Whenever I load it, I get some general instructions and several links.
> > After clicking on a link I go to the Lynx web site and they want me to down
> > load andinstall that particular program.  However, I already have a lynx
> > program loaded and all I want is to get to it's command line so that I can
> > use the net.
> >
> > Also After reading a manual on Lynx or rather a very long list of many
> > pages of commands, I am wondering if if there is a more user friendly web
> > browser?  I heard somewhere about one called w3m, but don't know if it has
> > a version for Linux.  does anyone have any information on it?
> >
> > I would be very appreciative for any assistance anyone  can give me.
> >
> > Ed,
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> 
> -- 
> 
> 				Janina Sajka, Director
> 				Technology Research and Development
> 				Governmental Relations Group
> 				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> 
> Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175
> 
> Chair, Accessibility SIG
> Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> http://www.openebook.org
> 
> Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper,
> Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.html
> 
> Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther
> King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at
> http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp
> 
> Learn how to make accessible software at http://www.afb.org/technology/accessapp.html
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: user friendly browsers

[Ed Thurston]

Hello Janina,

Wow! when one asks for help on this list, he or she really gets the red
carpet treatment.

as it turns out my biggest problem was that I did not know anything at all
about Lynx.  Now thanks to all of the assistance I have received, I can at
least bring up lynx, go to a desired url, navigate around that web site, do
limited functions there and exit.  

Yes, the g command does open an edit box to bring up another  url, yes, the
links are numbered and the dot dot does give my position on the page as
well as the console I am working in.

I most gratefully thank you and all the other listers who have jump started
me into learning how to work with this big cat!

doubtless I will be calling on you and other listers for additional
assistance a bit farther down the road!

Till then 

Ed, 

At 08:29 PM 7/4/2001 -0500, you wrote:
>What happens if you press the letter g and then type in a uri such as:
>
>	http://www.linux-speakup.org
>
>and press enter? Does the speakup web site home page come up?
>
>PS: Where is your cursor while you're in Lynx? Press the dot key on the
>numeric keypad to find out. The dot is the smaller key between insert/0
>and the enter key on the numeric keypad.
>
>PSS: Is link numbering turned on in your lynx? Or do you just not like
>that? I ask because most blind lynx users prefer this, in my experience.
>
>Please tell us a little more. I am very sure we can turn you into a fan of
>lynx.
>
>On Wed, 4 Jul 2001, Ed Thurston wrote:
>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> I am very much a newbie!  Around three months ago a friend set up this
>> Linux system for me and gave me some start up instructions.   I am using
>> Speakup, SlackWare, Elm, Joe and Lynx.  I am not sure of the versions of
>> any of the foregoing, but they were the latest available three months ago.
>> everything is going great so far except for  Lynx.
>>
>> Whenever I load it, I get some general instructions and several links.
>> After clicking on a link I go to the Lynx web site and they want me to down
>> load andinstall that particular program.  However, I already have a lynx
>> program loaded and all I want is to get to it's command line so that I can
>> use the net.
>>
>> Also After reading a manual on Lynx or rather a very long list of many
>> pages of commands, I am wondering if if there is a more user friendly web
>> browser?  I heard somewhere about one called w3m, but don't know if it has
>> a version for Linux.  does anyone have any information on it?
>>
>> I would be very appreciative for any assistance anyone  can give me.
>>
>> Ed,
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Speakup mailing list
>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>>
>
>-- 
>
>				Janina Sajka, Director
>				Technology Research and Development
>				Governmental Relations Group
>				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
>
>Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175
>
>Chair, Accessibility SIG
>Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
>http://www.openebook.org
>
>Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper,
>Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.html
>
>Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther
>King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at
>http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp
>
>Learn how to make accessible software at
http://www.afb.org/technology/accessapp.html
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>Speakup mailing list
>Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
>
>

Re: user friendly browsers

[Janina Sajka]

Any time, Ed.

Just one quick point, when you press the dot on the numeric keypad, is it
giving you a position on screen that changes as you move up and down? In
other words, when you press tab, do you get different numbers than before
you pressed tab? In particular, it's not always saying something stupid
like "line 24, position 80," right?

This is my round about way of asking whether cursor tracking is enabled.
This is essential for blind friendly performance, and can be controlled
from the command line:

lynx -show_cursor On Thu, 5 Jul 2001, Ed Thurston wrote:

or from the lynx.cfg file, or by changing the option from within lynx,
which is accessed by pressing 'o'. If you use the 'o' options menu, be
sure to save the settings you like.

 > Hello Janina,
>
> Wow! when one asks for help on this list, he or she really gets the red
> carpet treatment.
>
> as it turns out my biggest problem was that I did not know anything at all
> about Lynx.  Now thanks to all of the assistance I have received, I can at
> least bring up lynx, go to a desired url, navigate around that web site, do
> limited functions there and exit.
>
> Yes, the g command does open an edit box to bring up another  url, yes, the
> links are numbered and the dot dot does give my position on the page as
> well as the console I am working in.
>
> I most gratefully thank you and all the other listers who have jump started
> me into learning how to work with this big cat!
>
> doubtless I will be calling on you and other listers for additional
> assistance a bit farther down the road!
>
> Till then
>
> Ed,
>
> At 08:29 PM 7/4/2001 -0500, you wrote:
> >What happens if you press the letter g and then type in a uri such as:
> >
> >	http://www.linux-speakup.org
> >
> >and press enter? Does the speakup web site home page come up?
> >
> >PS: Where is your cursor while you're in Lynx? Press the dot key on the
> >numeric keypad to find out. The dot is the smaller key between insert/0
> >and the enter key on the numeric keypad.
> >
> >PSS: Is link numbering turned on in your lynx? Or do you just not like
> >that? I ask because most blind lynx users prefer this, in my experience.
> >
> >Please tell us a little more. I am very sure we can turn you into a fan of
> >lynx.
> >
> >On Wed, 4 Jul 2001, Ed Thurston wrote:
> >
> >> Hello all,
> >>
> >> I am very much a newbie!  Around three months ago a friend set up this
> >> Linux system for me and gave me some start up instructions.   I am using
> >> Speakup, SlackWare, Elm, Joe and Lynx.  I am not sure of the versions of
> >> any of the foregoing, but they were the latest available three months ago.
> >> everything is going great so far except for  Lynx.
> >>
> >> Whenever I load it, I get some general instructions and several links.
> >> After clicking on a link I go to the Lynx web site and they want me to down
> >> load andinstall that particular program.  However, I already have a lynx
> >> program loaded and all I want is to get to it's command line so that I can
> >> use the net.
> >>
> >> Also After reading a manual on Lynx or rather a very long list of many
> >> pages of commands, I am wondering if if there is a more user friendly web
> >> browser?  I heard somewhere about one called w3m, but don't know if it has
> >> a version for Linux.  does anyone have any information on it?
> >>
> >> I would be very appreciative for any assistance anyone  can give me.
> >>
> >> Ed,
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Speakup mailing list
> >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >>
> >
> >--
> >
> >				Janina Sajka, Director
> >				Technology Research and Development
> >				Governmental Relations Group
> >				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> >
> >Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175
> >
> >Chair, Accessibility SIG
> >Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> >http://www.openebook.org
> >
> >Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper,
> >Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.html
> >
> >Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther
> >King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at
> >http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp
> >
> >Learn how to make accessible software at
> http://www.afb.org/technology/accessapp.html
> >
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >Speakup mailing list
> >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> >
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

-- 

				Janina Sajka, Director
				Technology Research and Development
				Governmental Relations Group
				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)

Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175

Chair, Accessibility SIG
Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
http://www.openebook.org

Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper,
Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.html

Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther
King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at
http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp

Learn how to make accessible software at http://www.afb.org/technology/accessapp.html

Re: user friendly browsers

[Ed Thurston]

Hello Janina,

yes, I have checked withthe the dot button on sevral occasions and have
found the reading to be different so it seems to be functioning properly.
Thanks for calling this to my attention.

Ed,


At 09:45 PM 7/5/2001 -0500, you wrote:
>Any time, Ed.
>
>Just one quick point, when you press the dot on the numeric keypad, is it
>giving you a position on screen that changes as you move up and down? In
>other words, when you press tab, do you get different numbers than before
>you pressed tab? In particular, it's not always saying something stupid
>like "line 24, position 80," right?
>
>This is my round about way of asking whether cursor tracking is enabled.
>This is essential for blind friendly performance, and can be controlled
>from the command line:
>
>lynx -show_cursor On Thu, 5 Jul 2001, Ed Thurston wrote:
>
>or from the lynx.cfg file, or by changing the option from within lynx,
>which is accessed by pressing 'o'. If you use the 'o' options menu, be
>sure to save the settings you like.
>
> > Hello Janina,
>>
>> Wow! when one asks for help on this list, he or she really gets the red
>> carpet treatment.
>>
>> as it turns out my biggest problem was that I did not know anything at all
>> about Lynx.  Now thanks to all of the assistance I have received, I can at
>> least bring up lynx, go to a desired url, navigate around that web site, do
>> limited functions there and exit.
>>
>> Yes, the g command does open an edit box to bring up another  url, yes, the
>> links are numbered and the dot dot does give my position on the page as
>> well as the console I am working in.
>>
>> I most gratefully thank you and all the other listers who have jump started
>> me into learning how to work with this big cat!
>>
>> doubtless I will be calling on you and other listers for additional
>> assistance a bit farther down the road!
>>
>> Till then
>>
>> Ed,
>>
>> At 08:29 PM 7/4/2001 -0500, you wrote:
>> >What happens if you press the letter g and then type in a uri such as:
>> >
>> >	http://www.linux-speakup.org
>> >
>> >and press enter? Does the speakup web site home page come up?
>> >
>> >PS: Where is your cursor while you're in Lynx? Press the dot key on the
>> >numeric keypad to find out. The dot is the smaller key between insert/0
>> >and the enter key on the numeric keypad.
>> >
>> >PSS: Is link numbering turned on in your lynx? Or do you just not like
>> >that? I ask because most blind lynx users prefer this, in my experience.
>> >
>> >Please tell us a little more. I am very sure we can turn you into a fan of
>> >lynx.
>> >
>> >On Wed, 4 Jul 2001, Ed Thurston wrote:
>> >
>> >> Hello all,
>> >>
>> >> I am very much a newbie!  Around three months ago a friend set up this
>> >> Linux system for me and gave me some start up instructions.   I am using
>> >> Speakup, SlackWare, Elm, Joe and Lynx.  I am not sure of the versions of
>> >> any of the foregoing, but they were the latest available three months
ago.
>> >> everything is going great so far except for  Lynx.
>> >>
>> >> Whenever I load it, I get some general instructions and several links.
>> >> After clicking on a link I go to the Lynx web site and they want me
to down
>> >> load andinstall that particular program.  However, I already have a lynx
>> >> program loaded and all I want is to get to it's command line so that
I can
>> >> use the net.
>> >>
>> >> Also After reading a manual on Lynx or rather a very long list of many
>> >> pages of commands, I am wondering if if there is a more user friendly
web
>> >> browser?  I heard somewhere about one called w3m, but don't know if
it has
>> >> a version for Linux.  does anyone have any information on it?
>> >>
>> >> I would be very appreciative for any assistance anyone  can give me.
>> >>
>> >> Ed,
>> >>
>> >> _______________________________________________
>> >> Speakup mailing list
>> >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>> >>
>> >
>> >--
>> >
>> >				Janina Sajka, Director
>> >				Technology Research and Development
>> >				Governmental Relations Group
>> >				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
>> >
>> >Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175
>> >
>> >Chair, Accessibility SIG
>> >Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
>> >http://www.openebook.org
>> >
>> >Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper,
>> >Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.html
>> >
>> >Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther
>> >King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at
>> >http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp
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>> >Learn how to make accessible software at
>> http://www.afb.org/technology/accessapp.html
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>
>				Janina Sajka, Director
>				Technology Research and Development
>				Governmental Relations Group
>				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
>
>Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175
>
>Chair, Accessibility SIG
>Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
>http://www.openebook.org
>
>Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper,
>Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.html
>
>Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther
>King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at
>http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp
>
>Learn how to make accessible software at
http://www.afb.org/technology/accessapp.html
>
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