* Getting speakup to run on debian @ Brandon Keith Biggs ` John G Heim ` Steve Matzura 0 siblings, 2 replies; 40+ messages in thread From: Brandon Keith Biggs @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Hello, I just installed debian and can't figure out how to get speakup to work. I type ctrl+meta+f1 to open the terminal, then I type espeakup. I get the message that espeakup is already running. But I can't get any output from typing or moving around. I know speakup is running because I have it in a VM and sometimes speakup and Orca like to say random words and speakup just said something to me, but I can't hear anything. I also don't get speech on any log-in screen. Thanks, -- Brandon Keith Biggs <http://www.brandonkeithbiggs.com/> ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 40+ messages in thread
* Re: Getting speakup to run on debian Getting speakup to run on debian Brandon Keith Biggs @ ` John G Heim ` acollins ` Steve Matzura 1 sibling, 1 reply; 40+ messages in thread From: John G Heim @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. It is probably a conflict with pulseaudio and alsa. Right now I am a little fuzzy on the details but I believe that orca and gnome load pulse drivers and espeak needs alsa. You can test whether this is the problem by not logging into the GUI before running espeak. So at the gnome login screen, press control+alt+f1 to get to the console, log in and start espeakup. Then go back to the login screen by pressing control+alt+f7 and log into the gui. Make sure orca is running. Then go back once again to the console by pressing control+alt+f1. At this point, I will bet that software speech is not working for you. I think you can fix this by recompiling espeakup to default to using pulseaudio. Instructions for that are somewhere on google. If you can't find them, I can probably dig them out again. On 06/24/2015 02:34 AM, Brandon Keith Biggs wrote: > Hello, > I just installed debian and can't figure out how to get speakup to work. > I type ctrl+meta+f1 to open the terminal, then I type espeakup. I get > the message that espeakup is already running. But I can't get any output > from typing or moving around. I know speakup is running because I have > it in a VM and sometimes speakup and Orca like to say random words and > speakup just said something to me, but I can't hear anything. I also > don't get speech on any log-in screen. > Thanks, > -- John Heim, jheim@math.wisc.edu, skype:john.g.heim ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 40+ messages in thread
* Re: Getting speakup to run on debian ` John G Heim @ ` acollins ` Jude DaShiell ` Gregory Nowak 0 siblings, 2 replies; 40+ messages in thread From: acollins @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Hi. The Debian live cd for Jessie can run both espeak and orca at the same time, so I suspect they've recompiled espeak to work with pulse audio. However, when I tried an apt-get dist-upgrade, the problem persists. I'm having problems getting the debian-installer-launcher to run from the cd. It keeps trying to activate the framebuffer, and hanging. An interesting catch 22. Gene >SXQgaXMgcHJvYmFibHkgYSBjb25mbGljdCB3aXRoIHB1bHNlYXVkaW8gYW5kIGFsc2EuIFJpZ2h0 >IG5vdyBJIGFtIGEgCmxpdHRsZSBmdXp6eSBvbiB0aGUgZGV0YWlscyBidXQgSSBiZWxpZXZlIHRo >YXQgb3JjYSBhbmQgZ25vbWUgbG9hZCBwdWxzZSAKZHJpdmVycyBhbmQgZXNwZWFrIG5lZWRzIGFs >c2EuIFlvdSBjYW4gdGVzdCB3aGV0aGVyIHRoaXMgaXMgdGhlIHByb2JsZW0gCmJ5IG5vdCBsb2dn >aW5nIGludG8gdGhlIEdVSSBiZWZvcmUgcnVubmluZyBlc3BlYWsuIFNvIGF0IHRoZSBnbm9tZSBs >b2dpbiAKc2NyZWVuLCBwcmVzcyBjb250cm9sK2FsdCtmMSB0byBnZXQgdG8gdGhlIGNvbnNvbGUs >IGxvZyBpbiBhbmQgc3RhcnQgCmVzcGVha3VwLiBUaGVuIGdvIGJhY2sgdG8gdGhlIGxvZ2luIHNj >cmVlbiBieSBwcmVzc2luZyBjb250cm9sK2FsdCtmNyAKYW5kIGxvZyBpbnRvIHRoZSBndWkuIE1h >a2Ugc3VyZSBvcmNhIGlzIHJ1bm5pbmcuIFRoZW4gZ28gYmFjayBvbmNlIGFnYWluIAp0byB0aGUg >Y29uc29sZSBieSBwcmVzc2luZyBjb250cm9sK2FsdCtmMS4gQXQgdGhpcyBwb2ludCwgSSB3aWxs >IGJldCAKdGhhdCBzb2Z0d2FyZSBzcGVlY2ggaXMgbm90IHdvcmtpbmcgZm9yIHlvdS4KCkkgdGhp >bmsgeW91IGNhbiBmaXggdGhpcyBieSByZWNvbXBpbGluZyBlc3BlYWt1cCB0byBkZWZhdWx0IHRv >IHVzaW5nIApwdWxzZWF1ZGlvLiBJbnN0cnVjdGlvbnMgZm9yIHRoYXQgYXJlIHNvbWV3aGVyZSBv >biBnb29nbGUuIElmIHlvdSBjYW4ndCAKZmluZCB0aGVtLCBJIGNhbiBwcm9iYWJseSBkaWcgdGhl >bSBvdXQgYWdhaW4uCgoKCk9uIDA2LzI0LzIwMTUgMDI6MzQgQU0sIEJyYW5kb24gS2VpdGggQmln >Z3Mgd3JvdGU6Cj4gSGVsbG8sCj4gSSBqdXN0IGluc3RhbGxlZCBkZWJpYW4gYW5kIGNhbid0IGZp >Z3VyZSBvdXQgaG93IHRvIGdldCBzcGVha3VwIHRvIHdvcmsuCj4gSSB0eXBlIGN0cmwrbWV0YStm >MSB0byBvcGVuIHRoZSB0ZXJtaW5hbCwgdGhlbiBJIHR5cGUgZXNwZWFrdXAuIEkgZ2V0Cj4gdGhl >IG1lc3NhZ2UgdGhhdCBlc3BlYWt1cCBpcyBhbHJlYWR5IHJ1bm5pbmcuIEJ1dCBJIGNhbid0IGdl >dCBhbnkgb3V0cHV0Cj4gZnJvbSB0eXBpbmcgb3IgbW92aW5nIGFyb3VuZC4gSSBrbm93IHNwZWFr >dXAgaXMgcnVubmluZyBiZWNhdXNlIEkgaGF2ZQo+IGl0IGluIGEgVk0gYW5kIHNvbWV0aW1lcyBz >cGVha3VwIGFuZCBPcmNhIGxpa2UgdG8gc2F5IHJhbmRvbSB3b3JkcyBhbmQKPiBzcGVha3VwIGp1 >c3Qgc2FpZCBzb21ldGhpbmcgdG8gbWUsIGJ1dCBJIGNhbid0IGhlYXIgYW55dGhpbmcuIEkgYWxz >bwo+IGRvbid0IGdldCBzcGVlY2ggb24gYW55IGxvZy1pbiBzY3JlZW4uCj4gVGhhbmtzLAo+Cgot >LSAKSm9obiBIZWltLCBqaGVpbUBtYXRoLndpc2MuZWR1LCBza3lwZTpqb2huLmcuaGVpbQpfX19f >X19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fXwpTcGVha3VwIG1haWxp >bmcgbGlzdApTcGVha3VwQGxpbnV4LXNwZWFrdXAub3JnCmh0dHA6Ly9saW51eC1zcGVha3VwLm9y >Zy9jZ2ktYmluL21haWxtYW4vbGlzdGluZm8vc3BlYWt1cAo= ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 40+ messages in thread
* Re: Getting speakup to run on debian ` acollins @ ` Jude DaShiell ` Gregory Nowak ` Gregory Nowak 1 sibling, 1 reply; 40+ messages in thread From: Jude DaShiell @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. We use the s at the boot prompt to activate software speech for that installation of speakup. The problem is no other options with that s will be accepted and that's a debian decision which is something I complained about earlier. I'm pretty sure debian has an initialization file installers can modify to put extra boot parameters into so the installer starts up with those extra boot parameters automatically. It means burning yourslef your own custom debian iso to do it once the file is modified though. On Wed, 24 Jun 2015, acollins@icsmail.net wrote: > Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2015 10:49:27 > From: acollins@icsmail.net > Reply-To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. > <speakup@linux-speakup.org> > To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. <speakup@linux-speakup.org> > Subject: Re: Getting speakup to run on debian > > Hi. The Debian live cd for Jessie can run both espeak and orca at the > same time, so I suspect they've recompiled espeak to work with pulse > audio. However, when I tried an apt-get dist-upgrade, the problem > persists. I'm having problems getting the debian-installer-launcher to > run from the cd. It keeps trying to activate the framebuffer, and > hanging. An interesting catch 22. > > Gene > >> SXQgaXMgcHJvYmFibHkgYSBjb25mbGljdCB3aXRoIHB1bHNlYXVkaW8gYW5kIGFsc2EuIFJpZ2h0 >> IG5vdyBJIGFtIGEgCmxpdHRsZSBmdXp6eSBvbiB0aGUgZGV0YWlscyBidXQgSSBiZWxpZXZlIHRo >> YXQgb3JjYSBhbmQgZ25vbWUgbG9hZCBwdWxzZSAKZHJpdmVycyBhbmQgZXNwZWFrIG5lZWRzIGFs >> c2EuIFlvdSBjYW4gdGVzdCB3aGV0aGVyIHRoaXMgaXMgdGhlIHByb2JsZW0gCmJ5IG5vdCBsb2dn >> aW5nIGludG8gdGhlIEdVSSBiZWZvcmUgcnVubmluZyBlc3BlYWsuIFNvIGF0IHRoZSBnbm9tZSBs >> b2dpbiAKc2NyZWVuLCBwcmVzcyBjb250cm9sK2FsdCtmMSB0byBnZXQgdG8gdGhlIGNvbnNvbGUs >> IGxvZyBpbiBhbmQgc3RhcnQgCmVzcGVha3VwLiBUaGVuIGdvIGJhY2sgdG8gdGhlIGxvZ2luIHNj >> cmVlbiBieSBwcmVzc2luZyBjb250cm9sK2FsdCtmNyAKYW5kIGxvZyBpbnRvIHRoZSBndWkuIE1h >> a2Ugc3VyZSBvcmNhIGlzIHJ1bm5pbmcuIFRoZW4gZ28gYmFjayBvbmNlIGFnYWluIAp0byB0aGUg >> Y29uc29sZSBieSBwcmVzc2luZyBjb250cm9sK2FsdCtmMS4gQXQgdGhpcyBwb2ludCwgSSB3aWxs >> IGJldCAKdGhhdCBzb2Z0d2FyZSBzcGVlY2ggaXMgbm90IHdvcmtpbmcgZm9yIHlvdS4KCkkgdGhp >> bmsgeW91IGNhbiBmaXggdGhpcyBieSByZWNvbXBpbGluZyBlc3BlYWt1cCB0byBkZWZhdWx0IHRv >> IHVzaW5nIApwdWxzZWF1ZGlvLiBJbnN0cnVjdGlvbnMgZm9yIHRoYXQgYXJlIHNvbWV3aGVyZSBv >> biBnb29nbGUuIElmIHlvdSBjYW4ndCAKZmluZCB0aGVtLCBJIGNhbiBwcm9iYWJseSBkaWcgdGhl >> bSBvdXQgYWdhaW4uCgoKCk9uIDA2LzI0LzIwMTUgMDI6MzQgQU0sIEJyYW5kb24gS2VpdGggQmln >> Z3Mgd3JvdGU6Cj4gSGVsbG8sCj4gSSBqdXN0IGluc3RhbGxlZCBkZWJpYW4gYW5kIGNhbid0IGZp >> Z3VyZSBvdXQgaG93IHRvIGdldCBzcGVha3VwIHRvIHdvcmsuCj4gSSB0eXBlIGN0cmwrbWV0YStm >> MSB0byBvcGVuIHRoZSB0ZXJtaW5hbCwgdGhlbiBJIHR5cGUgZXNwZWFrdXAuIEkgZ2V0Cj4gdGhl >> IG1lc3NhZ2UgdGhhdCBlc3BlYWt1cCBpcyBhbHJlYWR5IHJ1bm5pbmcuIEJ1dCBJIGNhbid0IGdl >> dCBhbnkgb3V0cHV0Cj4gZnJvbSB0eXBpbmcgb3IgbW92aW5nIGFyb3VuZC4gSSBrbm93IHNwZWFr >> dXAgaXMgcnVubmluZyBiZWNhdXNlIEkgaGF2ZQo+IGl0IGluIGEgVk0gYW5kIHNvbWV0aW1lcyBz >> cGVha3VwIGFuZCBPcmNhIGxpa2UgdG8gc2F5IHJhbmRvbSB3b3JkcyBhbmQKPiBzcGVha3VwIGp1 >> c3Qgc2FpZCBzb21ldGhpbmcgdG8gbWUsIGJ1dCBJIGNhbid0IGhlYXIgYW55dGhpbmcuIEkgYWxz >> bwo+IGRvbid0IGdldCBzcGVlY2ggb24gYW55IGxvZy1pbiBzY3JlZW4uCj4gVGhhbmtzLAo+Cgot >> LSAKSm9obiBIZWltLCBqaGVpbUBtYXRoLndpc2MuZWR1LCBza3lwZTpqb2huLmcuaGVpbQpfX19f >> X19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fXwpTcGVha3VwIG1haWxp >> bmcgbGlzdApTcGVha3VwQGxpbnV4LXNwZWFrdXAub3JnCmh0dHA6Ly9saW51eC1zcGVha3VwLm9y >> Zy9jZ2ktYmluL21haWxtYW4vbGlzdGluZm8vc3BlYWt1cAo= > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@linux-speakup.org > http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup -- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 40+ messages in thread
* Re: Getting speakup to run on debian ` Jude DaShiell @ ` Gregory Nowak ` Jude DaShiell 0 siblings, 1 reply; 40+ messages in thread From: Gregory Nowak @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. No, this is incorrect. Press s, press tab, press space, and type in whatever boot options you want followed by enter. Greg On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 03:30:51PM -0400, Jude DaShiell wrote: > We use the s at the boot prompt to activate software speech for that > installation of speakup. The problem is no other options with that > s will be accepted and that's a debian decision which is something I > complained about earlier. I'm pretty sure debian has an > initialization file installers can modify to put extra boot > parameters into so the installer starts up with those extra boot > parameters automatically. It means burning yourslef your own custom > debian iso to do it once the file is modified though. -- web site: http://www.gregn.net gpg public key: http://www.gregn.net/pubkey.asc skype: gregn1 (authorization required, add me to your contacts list first) If we haven't been in touch before, e-mail me before adding me to your contacts. -- Free domains: http://www.eu.org/ or mail dns-manager@EU.org ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 40+ messages in thread
* Re: Getting speakup to run on debian ` Gregory Nowak @ ` Jude DaShiell 0 siblings, 0 replies; 40+ messages in thread From: Jude DaShiell @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Thanks much, I'll make a note of it and use it the next time I install debian. On Wed, 24 Jun 2015, Gregory Nowak wrote: > Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2015 20:05:41 > From: Gregory Nowak <greg@gregn.net> > Reply-To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. > <speakup@linux-speakup.org> > To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. <speakup@linux-speakup.org> > Subject: Re: Getting speakup to run on debian > > No, this is incorrect. Press s, press tab, press space, and type in > whatever boot options you want followed by enter. > > Greg > > > On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 03:30:51PM -0400, Jude DaShiell wrote: >> We use the s at the boot prompt to activate software speech for that >> installation of speakup. The problem is no other options with that >> s will be accepted and that's a debian decision which is something I >> complained about earlier. I'm pretty sure debian has an >> initialization file installers can modify to put extra boot >> parameters into so the installer starts up with those extra boot >> parameters automatically. It means burning yourslef your own custom >> debian iso to do it once the file is modified though. > > > -- > web site: http://www.gregn.net > gpg public key: http://www.gregn.net/pubkey.asc > skype: gregn1 > (authorization required, add me to your contacts list first) > If we haven't been in touch before, e-mail me before adding me to your contacts. > > -- > Free domains: http://www.eu.org/ or mail dns-manager@EU.org > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@linux-speakup.org > http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup -- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 40+ messages in thread
* Re: Getting speakup to run on debian ` acollins ` Jude DaShiell @ ` Gregory Nowak 1 sibling, 0 replies; 40+ messages in thread From: Gregory Nowak @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Try passing: vga=normal fb=false at the boot prompt. Greg On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 09:49:27AM -0500, acollins@icsmail.net wrote: > Hi. The Debian live cd for Jessie can run both espeak and orca at the > same time, so I suspect they've recompiled espeak to work with pulse > audio. However, when I tried an apt-get dist-upgrade, the problem > persists. I'm having problems getting the debian-installer-launcher to > run from the cd. It keeps trying to activate the framebuffer, and > hanging. An interesting catch 22. > > Gene -- web site: http://www.gregn.net gpg public key: http://www.gregn.net/pubkey.asc skype: gregn1 (authorization required, add me to your contacts list first) If we haven't been in touch before, e-mail me before adding me to your contacts. -- Free domains: http://www.eu.org/ or mail dns-manager@EU.org ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 40+ messages in thread
* Re: Getting speakup to run on debian Getting speakup to run on debian Brandon Keith Biggs ` John G Heim @ ` Steve Matzura ` Samuel Thibault ` (4 more replies) 1 sibling, 5 replies; 40+ messages in thread From: Steve Matzura @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. I just installed a fresh Jessie yesterday. The install was assisted by Speakup, which I started at the install screen main menu by pressing s<ENTER>. I was quite impressed with the way it all worked, with one silly exception: There was a screen with 78 choices, one per line, and I couldn't figure out how to scroll the screen backward to read the first and second screens of choices, so I just went with the default choice, which turned out to be the correct one for me for the question being asked. Very impressive. No Orca, no forms, just straight CLI. I love CLI. Now then, the system is up and running, there's no desktop, I boot directly to the login prompt, and now I want to get Speakup working on the console terminals. Someone named Samuel from Debian accessibility told me I should install the espeakup package, but apt-get can't find it. What'd I do wrong? And why would I even need to be doing this since obviously Speakup is included in the install, you'd think, or at least I did, that it would already exist on the system and be able to be run. Thanks in advance for any and all assistance and advice. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 40+ messages in thread
* Re: Getting speakup to run on debian ` Steve Matzura @ ` Samuel Thibault ` covici ` (3 subsequent siblings) 4 siblings, 0 replies; 40+ messages in thread From: Samuel Thibault @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Steve Matzura, on Thu 31 Dec 2015 07:08:46 -0500, wrote: > I just installed a fresh Jessie yesterday. The install was assisted by > Speakup, Ah, you didn't say that in your previous report. > And why would I even need to be doing this since obviously Speakup is > included in the install, you'd think, And that's supposed to happen, yes. Which image did you use exactly? There's something to fix here, espeakup is definitely supposed to have been installed. Samuel ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 40+ messages in thread
* Re: Getting speakup to run on debian ` Steve Matzura ` Samuel Thibault @ ` covici ` Steve Matzura ` mike ` (2 subsequent siblings) 4 siblings, 1 reply; 40+ messages in thread From: covici @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. You need a speech synthesizer, and that is not part of speakup. You either need espeakup, or speechd-up and speech dispatcher, which has worked great for me, although I mostly use hardware speech. Steve Matzura <sm@noisynotes.com> wrote: > I just installed a fresh Jessie yesterday. The install was assisted by > Speakup, which I started at the install screen main menu by pressing > s<ENTER>. I was quite impressed with the way it all worked, with one > silly exception: There was a screen with 78 choices, one per line, and > I couldn't figure out how to scroll the screen backward to read the > first and second screens of choices, so I just went with the default > choice, which turned out to be the correct one for me for the question > being asked. Very impressive. No Orca, no forms, just straight CLI. I > love CLI. > > Now then, the system is up and running, there's no desktop, I boot > directly to the login prompt, and now I want to get Speakup working on > the console terminals. Someone named Samuel from Debian accessibility > told me I should install the espeakup package, but apt-get can't find > it. What'd I do wrong? And why would I even need to be doing this > since obviously Speakup is included in the install, you'd think, or at > least I did, that it would already exist on the system and be able to > be run. > > Thanks in advance for any and all assistance and advice. > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@linux-speakup.org > http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup > -- Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: How do you spend it? John Covici covici@ccs.covici.com ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 40+ messages in thread
* Re: Getting speakup to run on debian ` covici @ ` Steve Matzura ` Samuel Thibault ` Jude DaShiell 0 siblings, 2 replies; 40+ messages in thread From: Steve Matzura @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Right. I tried installing the espeakup package and apt-get couldn't find it. I suspect I have a source problem in /etc/apt/sources.list. I suspect I should have been able to get it from the DVD distro, but darned if I know how to do that! I also made what apparently turned out to be an invalid assumption that, if the install talked, the system should, or could be made to easily. On Thu, 31 Dec 2015 07:32:59 -0500, you wrote: >You need a speech synthesizer, and that is not part of speakup. You >either need espeakup, or speechd-up and speech dispatcher, which has >worked great for me, although I mostly use hardware speech. > >Steve Matzura <sm@noisynotes.com> wrote: > >> I just installed a fresh Jessie yesterday. The install was assisted by >> Speakup, which I started at the install screen main menu by pressing >> s<ENTER>. I was quite impressed with the way it all worked, with one >> silly exception: There was a screen with 78 choices, one per line, and >> I couldn't figure out how to scroll the screen backward to read the >> first and second screens of choices, so I just went with the default >> choice, which turned out to be the correct one for me for the question >> being asked. Very impressive. No Orca, no forms, just straight CLI. I >> love CLI. >> >> Now then, the system is up and running, there's no desktop, I boot >> directly to the login prompt, and now I want to get Speakup working on >> the console terminals. Someone named Samuel from Debian accessibility >> told me I should install the espeakup package, but apt-get can't find >> it. What'd I do wrong? And why would I even need to be doing this >> since obviously Speakup is included in the install, you'd think, or at >> least I did, that it would already exist on the system and be able to >> be run. >> >> Thanks in advance for any and all assistance and advice. >> _______________________________________________ >> Speakup mailing list >> Speakup@linux-speakup.org >> http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup >> ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 40+ messages in thread
* Re: Getting speakup to run on debian ` Steve Matzura @ ` Samuel Thibault ` Steve Matzura ` Doug Smith ` Jude DaShiell 1 sibling, 2 replies; 40+ messages in thread From: Samuel Thibault @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Steve Matzura, on Thu 31 Dec 2015 08:09:19 -0500, wrote: > I also made what apparently turned out to be an invalid assumption > that, if the install talked, the system should, or could be made to > easily. Again, this assumption is completely right. Except that bugs happen. And need to be reported. And then they can be fixed. But only if they are reported. Samuel ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 40+ messages in thread
* Re: Getting speakup to run on debian ` Samuel Thibault @ ` Steve Matzura ` Samuel Thibault ` Hart Larry ` Doug Smith 1 sibling, 2 replies; 40+ messages in thread From: Steve Matzura @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. OK then, what's the right way to do that, and while I await the bug to be properly documented and fixed, how do I work around it? On Thu, 31 Dec 2015 14:12:35 +0100, you wrote: >Steve Matzura, on Thu 31 Dec 2015 08:09:19 -0500, wrote: >> I also made what apparently turned out to be an invalid assumption >> that, if the install talked, the system should, or could be made to >> easily. > >Again, this assumption is completely right. > >Except that bugs happen. And need to be reported. And then they can be >fixed. But only if they are reported. > >Samuel >_______________________________________________ >Speakup mailing list >Speakup@linux-speakup.org >http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 40+ messages in thread
* Re: Getting speakup to run on debian ` Steve Matzura @ ` Samuel Thibault ` Steve Matzura ` Hart Larry 1 sibling, 1 reply; 40+ messages in thread From: Samuel Thibault @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Steve Matzura, on Thu 31 Dec 2015 08:39:41 -0500, wrote: > OK then, what's the right way to do that, Googling "bug debian" brings https://www.debian.org/Bugs/ which explains everything. > and while I await the bug to be properly documented and fixed, how do > I work around it? Depends on the bug. Thus discussion is needed. Probably the better place in this case is the debian-accessibility@lists.debian.org mailing list. Samuel ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 40+ messages in thread
* Re: Getting speakup to run on debian ` Samuel Thibault @ ` Steve Matzura ` Samuel Thibault 0 siblings, 1 reply; 40+ messages in thread From: Steve Matzura @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. I found that, too, but thought it prudent to confirm. See previous messages. If an update is forthcoming, I'll just learn how for the future. On Thu, 31 Dec 2015 14:43:49 +0100, you wrote: >Steve Matzura, on Thu 31 Dec 2015 08:39:41 -0500, wrote: >> OK then, what's the right way to do that, > >Googling "bug debian" brings https://www.debian.org/Bugs/ which explains >everything. > >> and while I await the bug to be properly documented and fixed, how do >> I work around it? > >Depends on the bug. Thus discussion is needed. Probably the better place >in this case is the debian-accessibility@lists.debian.org mailing list. > >Samuel >_______________________________________________ >Speakup mailing list >Speakup@linux-speakup.org >http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 40+ messages in thread
* Re: Getting speakup to run on debian ` Steve Matzura @ ` Samuel Thibault 0 siblings, 0 replies; 40+ messages in thread From: Samuel Thibault @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Steve Matzura, on Thu 31 Dec 2015 09:06:46 -0500, wrote: > I found that, too, but thought it prudent to confirm. See previous > messages. If an update is forthcoming, I'll just learn how for the > future. Again, normally there is *nothing* to do. Just reboot after installation finished, and it should be speaking up. Any divergence from this scenario is a bug. Samuel ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 40+ messages in thread
* Re: Getting speakup to run on debian ` Steve Matzura ` Samuel Thibault @ ` Hart Larry 1 sibling, 0 replies; 40+ messages in thread From: Hart Larry @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Well Steve, at least in Debian, you type, or actually first install reportbug I am at 6.6.5 Hope that helps Hart ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 40+ messages in thread
* Re: Getting speakup to run on debian ` Samuel Thibault ` Steve Matzura @ ` Doug Smith 1 sibling, 0 replies; 40+ messages in thread From: Doug Smith @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup Ok, I have never heard of this one before. I am running kali 2.0 which is based on jessie and the install talked as soon as it was done. I just had to install the espeakup package to get speech on the cli and I am happy with what I see here. I guess that the installer used by kali is the same one used in the stock debian install with a few modifications, bue I am not sure. I have installed both debian and kali several times before in different versions back to the one before wheezy and I have never heard of this problem. Do you think it would help if you reinstall or check the validity of your iso and make sure that it didn't get corrupted in downloading it. Hope this helps. Doug Smith ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 40+ messages in thread
* Re: Getting speakup to run on debian ` Steve Matzura ` Samuel Thibault @ ` Jude DaShiell ` Steve Matzura 1 sibling, 1 reply; 40+ messages in thread From: Jude DaShiell @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Please type modprobe speakup_soft and then type espeakup and let us know what happens after that gets done. On Thu, 31 Dec 2015, Steve Matzura wrote: > Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2015 08:09:19 > From: Steve Matzura <sm@noisynotes.com> > Reply-To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. > <speakup@linux-speakup.org> > To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. <speakup@linux-speakup.org> > Subject: Re: Getting speakup to run on debian > > Right. I tried installing the espeakup package and apt-get couldn't > find it. I suspect I have a source problem in /etc/apt/sources.list. I > suspect I should have been able to get it from the DVD distro, but > darned if I know how to do that! I also made what apparently turned > out to be an invalid assumption that, if the install talked, the > system should, or could be made to easily. > > On Thu, 31 Dec 2015 07:32:59 -0500, you wrote: > >> You need a speech synthesizer, and that is not part of speakup. You >> either need espeakup, or speechd-up and speech dispatcher, which has >> worked great for me, although I mostly use hardware speech. >> >> Steve Matzura <sm@noisynotes.com> wrote: >> >>> I just installed a fresh Jessie yesterday. The install was assisted by >>> Speakup, which I started at the install screen main menu by pressing >>> s<ENTER>. I was quite impressed with the way it all worked, with one >>> silly exception: There was a screen with 78 choices, one per line, and >>> I couldn't figure out how to scroll the screen backward to read the >>> first and second screens of choices, so I just went with the default >>> choice, which turned out to be the correct one for me for the question >>> being asked. Very impressive. No Orca, no forms, just straight CLI. I >>> love CLI. >>> >>> Now then, the system is up and running, there's no desktop, I boot >>> directly to the login prompt, and now I want to get Speakup working on >>> the console terminals. Someone named Samuel from Debian accessibility >>> told me I should install the espeakup package, but apt-get can't find >>> it. What'd I do wrong? And why would I even need to be doing this >>> since obviously Speakup is included in the install, you'd think, or at >>> least I did, that it would already exist on the system and be able to >>> be run. >>> >>> Thanks in advance for any and all assistance and advice. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Speakup mailing list >>> Speakup@linux-speakup.org >>> http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup >>> > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@linux-speakup.org > http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup -- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 40+ messages in thread
* Re: Getting speakup to run on debian ` Jude DaShiell @ ` Steve Matzura 0 siblings, 0 replies; 40+ messages in thread From: Steve Matzura @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Actually, I didn't need to do any of that. The problem was that somehow my onboard sound card had gotten all its levels pushed down to 0. Using amixer (thanks to Samuel's recommendation) fixed it. I now get full-on speech right from boot, which I haven't had 'round here since I installed my first Fedora back in about 2003. On Thu, 31 Dec 2015 09:40:25 -0500 (EST), you wrote: >Please type modprobe speakup_soft and then type espeakup and let us know >what happens after that gets done. > >On Thu, 31 Dec 2015, Steve Matzura wrote: > >> Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2015 08:09:19 >> From: Steve Matzura <sm@noisynotes.com> >> Reply-To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. >> <speakup@linux-speakup.org> >> To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. <speakup@linux-speakup.org> >> Subject: Re: Getting speakup to run on debian >> >> Right. I tried installing the espeakup package and apt-get couldn't >> find it. I suspect I have a source problem in /etc/apt/sources.list. I >> suspect I should have been able to get it from the DVD distro, but >> darned if I know how to do that! I also made what apparently turned >> out to be an invalid assumption that, if the install talked, the >> system should, or could be made to easily. >> >> On Thu, 31 Dec 2015 07:32:59 -0500, you wrote: >> >>> You need a speech synthesizer, and that is not part of speakup. You >>> either need espeakup, or speechd-up and speech dispatcher, which has >>> worked great for me, although I mostly use hardware speech. >>> >>> Steve Matzura <sm@noisynotes.com> wrote: >>> >>>> I just installed a fresh Jessie yesterday. The install was assisted by >>>> Speakup, which I started at the install screen main menu by pressing >>>> s<ENTER>. I was quite impressed with the way it all worked, with one >>>> silly exception: There was a screen with 78 choices, one per line, and >>>> I couldn't figure out how to scroll the screen backward to read the >>>> first and second screens of choices, so I just went with the default >>>> choice, which turned out to be the correct one for me for the question >>>> being asked. Very impressive. No Orca, no forms, just straight CLI. I >>>> love CLI. >>>> >>>> Now then, the system is up and running, there's no desktop, I boot >>>> directly to the login prompt, and now I want to get Speakup working on >>>> the console terminals. Someone named Samuel from Debian accessibility >>>> told me I should install the espeakup package, but apt-get can't find >>>> it. What'd I do wrong? And why would I even need to be doing this >>>> since obviously Speakup is included in the install, you'd think, or at >>>> least I did, that it would already exist on the system and be able to >>>> be run. >>>> >>>> Thanks in advance for any and all assistance and advice. >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Speakup mailing list >>>> Speakup@linux-speakup.org >>>> http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup >>>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Speakup mailing list >> Speakup@linux-speakup.org >> http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 40+ messages in thread
* RE: Getting speakup to run on debian ` Steve Matzura ` Samuel Thibault ` covici @ ` mike ` Samuel Thibault ` Steve Matzura ` Samuel Thibault ` Keith Barrett 4 siblings, 2 replies; 40+ messages in thread From: mike @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: 'Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.' Hi, Speakup in Jessie installs seams to be a bit broken. I ownly ben able to get it working buy installing wheezy and upgrading to Jessie. -----Original Message----- From: Speakup [mailto:speakup-bounces@linux-speakup.org] On Behalf Of Steve Matzura Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2015 7:09 AM To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. <speakup@linux-speakup.org> Subject: Re: Getting speakup to run on debian I just installed a fresh Jessie yesterday. The install was assisted by Speakup, which I started at the install screen main menu by pressing s<ENTER>. I was quite impressed with the way it all worked, with one silly exception: There was a screen with 78 choices, one per line, and I couldn't figure out how to scroll the screen backward to read the first and second screens of choices, so I just went with the default choice, which turned out to be the correct one for me for the question being asked. Very impressive. No Orca, no forms, just straight CLI. I love CLI. Now then, the system is up and running, there's no desktop, I boot directly to the login prompt, and now I want to get Speakup working on the console terminals. Someone named Samuel from Debian accessibility told me I should install the espeakup package, but apt-get can't find it. What'd I do wrong? And why would I even need to be doing this since obviously Speakup is included in the install, you'd think, or at least I did, that it would already exist on the system and be able to be run. Thanks in advance for any and all assistance and advice. _______________________________________________ Speakup mailing list Speakup@linux-speakup.org http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 40+ messages in thread
* Re: Getting speakup to run on debian ` mike @ ` Samuel Thibault ` Steve Matzura 1 sibling, 0 replies; 40+ messages in thread From: Samuel Thibault @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. mike, on Thu 31 Dec 2015 07:41:47 -0500, wrote: > Speakup in Jessie installs seams to be a bit broken. Please report bugs. Please report bugs. Please report bugs. Please report bugs. Please report bugs. If you don't report bugs, developers don't even know they exist, and thus for sure they can't get fixed... Samuel ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 40+ messages in thread
* Re: Getting speakup to run on debian ` mike ` Samuel Thibault @ ` Steve Matzura ` Samuel Thibault ` Steve Matzura 1 sibling, 2 replies; 40+ messages in thread From: Steve Matzura @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Oh that's bizarre. And the Debian accessibility department says it should be good. Since my installation is just for testing, should I start again with 7 and try upgrading to 8? And if so, what's the recommended procedure for doing that without breaking espeakup or Speakup itself? On Thu, 31 Dec 2015 07:41:47 -0500, you wrote: >Hi, > >Speakup in Jessie installs seams to be a bit broken. I ownly ben able to get it working buy installing wheezy and upgrading to Jessie. > >-----Original Message----- >From: Speakup [mailto:speakup-bounces@linux-speakup.org] On Behalf Of Steve Matzura >Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2015 7:09 AM >To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. <speakup@linux-speakup.org> >Subject: Re: Getting speakup to run on debian > >I just installed a fresh Jessie yesterday. The install was assisted by Speakup, which I started at the install screen main menu by pressing s<ENTER>. I was quite impressed with the way it all worked, with one silly exception: There was a screen with 78 choices, one per line, and I couldn't figure out how to scroll the screen backward to read the first and second screens of choices, so I just went with the default choice, which turned out to be the correct one for me for the question being asked. Very impressive. No Orca, no forms, just straight CLI. I love CLI. > >Now then, the system is up and running, there's no desktop, I boot directly to the login prompt, and now I want to get Speakup working on the console terminals. Someone named Samuel from Debian accessibility told me I should install the espeakup package, but apt-get can't find it. What'd I do wrong? And why would I even need to be doing this since obviously Speakup is included in the install, you'd think, or at least I did, that it would already exist on the system and be able to be run. > >Thanks in advance for any and all assistance and advice. >_______________________________________________ >Speakup mailing list >Speakup@linux-speakup.org >http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup > >_______________________________________________ >Speakup mailing list >Speakup@linux-speakup.org >http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 40+ messages in thread
* Re: Getting speakup to run on debian ` Steve Matzura @ ` Samuel Thibault ` Steve Matzura ` Steve Matzura 1 sibling, 1 reply; 40+ messages in thread From: Samuel Thibault @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Steve Matzura, on Thu 31 Dec 2015 08:10:41 -0500, wrote: > Oh that's bizarre. And the Debian accessibility department says it > should be good. "should" means "that's what we implemented". It does not mean that there aren't potential bugs. And there *are*. So please report them. I'm sorry I keep writing the same, but it's really killing me that a dozen months after the Jessie release nobody reported the issue. I have already sent a patch to the debian-cd package, and it'll probably be a matter of days before it's fixed. If only the issue had been reported before, we'd have had a fixed Jessie way earlier. > Since my installation is just for testing, should I > start again with 7 and try upgrading to 8? No need to. As I told you privately, just add the network mirror in your sources.list, and espeakup should become available. Samuel ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 40+ messages in thread
* Re: Getting speakup to run on debian ` Samuel Thibault @ ` Steve Matzura ` Samuel Thibault 0 siblings, 1 reply; 40+ messages in thread From: Steve Matzura @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Samuel, I fully understand your feelings regarding bug-reporting. But you know, we often think we're the ones doing something wrong and hesitate to report anything unless and until we can verify that it's really really a bug. Another issue, of course, is, maybe nobody installed from scratch with the expectation of using Speakup at the console immediately after installation, which is why nobody thought there was anything wrong. OK, if it's been reported and fixed, I'm not going to worry about doing it, I just need to know what I need to do to work around it or how/when to apply the proper update when it comes out. I can wait. ssh is my friend until then.\ On Thu, 31 Dec 2015 14:20:18 +0100, you wrote: >Steve Matzura, on Thu 31 Dec 2015 08:10:41 -0500, wrote: >> Oh that's bizarre. And the Debian accessibility department says it >> should be good. > >"should" means "that's what we implemented". It does not mean that there >aren't potential bugs. And there *are*. So please report them. > >I'm sorry I keep writing the same, but it's really killing me that a >dozen months after the Jessie release nobody reported the issue. I have >already sent a patch to the debian-cd package, and it'll probably be a >matter of days before it's fixed. If only the issue had been reported >before, we'd have had a fixed Jessie way earlier. > >> Since my installation is just for testing, should I >> start again with 7 and try upgrading to 8? > >No need to. As I told you privately, just add the network mirror in your >sources.list, and espeakup should become available. > >Samuel >_______________________________________________ >Speakup mailing list >Speakup@linux-speakup.org >http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 40+ messages in thread
* Re: Getting speakup to run on debian ` Steve Matzura @ ` Samuel Thibault ` Samuel Thibault 0 siblings, 1 reply; 40+ messages in thread From: Samuel Thibault @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Steve Matzura, on Thu 31 Dec 2015 08:47:38 -0500, wrote: > Samuel, I fully understand your feelings regarding bug-reporting. But > you know, we often think we're the ones doing something wrong and > hesitate to report anything unless and until we can verify that it's > really really a bug. Bug reports are what precisely allows the user to check with developers whether it is a bug or not. Samuel ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 40+ messages in thread
* Re: Getting speakup to run on debian ` Samuel Thibault @ ` Samuel Thibault ` Steve Matzura 0 siblings, 1 reply; 40+ messages in thread From: Samuel Thibault @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Samuel Thibault, on Thu 31 Dec 2015 14:58:19 +0100, wrote: > Steve Matzura, on Thu 31 Dec 2015 08:47:38 -0500, wrote: > > Samuel, I fully understand your feelings regarding bug-reporting. But > > you know, we often think we're the ones doing something wrong and > > hesitate to report anything unless and until we can verify that it's > > really really a bug. > > Bug reports are what precisely allows the user to check with developers > whether it is a bug or not. And even if it's not a bug, if the user didn't work how to do it by himself, it means it's not documented properly, and thus still a bug to fix. Samuel ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 40+ messages in thread
* Re: Getting speakup to run on debian ` Samuel Thibault @ ` Steve Matzura 0 siblings, 0 replies; 40+ messages in thread From: Steve Matzura @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. OK, you convinced me. LOL. Still doesn't work, so I'm off to do the right thing. On Thu, 31 Dec 2015 15:06:11 +0100, you wrote: >Samuel Thibault, on Thu 31 Dec 2015 14:58:19 +0100, wrote: >> Steve Matzura, on Thu 31 Dec 2015 08:47:38 -0500, wrote: >> > Samuel, I fully understand your feelings regarding bug-reporting. But >> > you know, we often think we're the ones doing something wrong and >> > hesitate to report anything unless and until we can verify that it's >> > really really a bug. >> >> Bug reports are what precisely allows the user to check with developers >> whether it is a bug or not. > >And even if it's not a bug, if the user didn't work how to do it by >himself, it means it's not documented properly, and thus still a bug to >fix. > >Samuel >_______________________________________________ >Speakup mailing list >Speakup@linux-speakup.org >http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 40+ messages in thread
* Re: Getting speakup to run on debian ` Steve Matzura ` Samuel Thibault @ ` Steve Matzura 1 sibling, 0 replies; 40+ messages in thread From: Steve Matzura @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. OK, I had a couple things set up incorrectly in sources.list, but there's a whole 'nuther story behind why, which I'll not bore you all with, but suffice it to say my system is set up correctly but still not talking, probably because I don't know the proper way to make that happen. Re bug reporting, I'm exhausting all possibilities first before putting down what's not working to a bug because with me, it usually isn't. I've found a few in my time, but am always hesitant to report something as such in case I'm the one having done something wrong. However, this one's apparently a valid Debian bug, so after I get it solved, I will put it in. On Thu, 31 Dec 2015 08:10:41 -0500, you wrote: >Oh that's bizarre. And the Debian accessibility department says it >should be good. Since my installation is just for testing, should I >start again with 7 and try upgrading to 8? And if so, what's the >recommended procedure for doing that without breaking espeakup or >Speakup itself? > >On Thu, 31 Dec 2015 07:41:47 -0500, you wrote: > >>Hi, >> >>Speakup in Jessie installs seams to be a bit broken. I ownly ben able to get it working buy installing wheezy and upgrading to Jessie. >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Speakup [mailto:speakup-bounces@linux-speakup.org] On Behalf Of Steve Matzura >>Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2015 7:09 AM >>To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. <speakup@linux-speakup.org> >>Subject: Re: Getting speakup to run on debian >> >>I just installed a fresh Jessie yesterday. The install was assisted by Speakup, which I started at the install screen main menu by pressing s<ENTER>. I was quite impressed with the way it all worked, with one silly exception: There was a screen with 78 choices, one per line, and I couldn't figure out how to scroll the screen backward to read the first and second screens of choices, so I just went with the default choice, which turned out to be the correct one for me for the question being asked. Very impressive. No Orca, no forms, just straight CLI. I love CLI. >> >>Now then, the system is up and running, there's no desktop, I boot directly to the login prompt, and now I want to get Speakup working on the console terminals. Someone named Samuel from Debian accessibility told me I should install the espeakup package, but apt-get can't find it. What'd I do wrong? And why would I even need to be doing this since obviously Speakup is included in the install, you'd think, or at least I did, that it would already exist on the system and be able to be run. >> >>Thanks in advance for any and all assistance and advice. >>_______________________________________________ >>Speakup mailing list >>Speakup@linux-speakup.org >>http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Speakup mailing list >>Speakup@linux-speakup.org >>http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup >_______________________________________________ >Speakup mailing list >Speakup@linux-speakup.org >http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 40+ messages in thread
* Re: Getting speakup to run on debian ` Steve Matzura ` (2 preceding siblings ...) ` mike @ ` Samuel Thibault ` covici ` Steve Matzura ` Keith Barrett 4 siblings, 2 replies; 40+ messages in thread From: Samuel Thibault @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Hello, Steve Matzura, on Thu 31 Dec 2015 07:08:46 -0500, wrote: > There was a screen with 78 choices, one per line, and > I couldn't figure out how to scroll the screen backward to read the > first and second screens of choices, Yes, that's the issue with CLIs, I don't see good solutions beyond switching to non-CLI to get better browsing facilities. Apparently speakup does not know how to access to the backscroll of the console. I'm surprised nobody apparently raised the issue, it should be possible to fix it. Samuel ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 40+ messages in thread
* Re: Getting speakup to run on debian ` Samuel Thibault @ ` covici ` Samuel Thibault ` Steve Matzura 1 sibling, 1 reply; 40+ messages in thread From: covici @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. That would be nice. I wonder if you can do this from kernel space, though? Samuel Thibault <samuel.thibault@ens-lyon.org> wrote: > Hello, > > Steve Matzura, on Thu 31 Dec 2015 07:08:46 -0500, wrote: > > There was a screen with 78 choices, one per line, and > > I couldn't figure out how to scroll the screen backward to read the > > first and second screens of choices, > > Yes, that's the issue with CLIs, I don't see good solutions beyond > switching to non-CLI to get better browsing facilities. > > Apparently speakup does not know how to access to the backscroll of the > console. I'm surprised nobody apparently raised the issue, it should be > possible to fix it. > > Samuel > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@linux-speakup.org > http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup > -- Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: How do you spend it? John Covici covici@ccs.covici.com ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 40+ messages in thread
* Re: Getting speakup to run on debian ` covici @ ` Samuel Thibault 0 siblings, 0 replies; 40+ messages in thread From: Samuel Thibault @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. covici@ccs.covici.com, on Thu 31 Dec 2015 08:31:43 -0500, wrote: > That would be nice. I wonder if you can do this from kernel space, > though? It's the kernel which does have the backlog. So for sure it should be feasible to do it from the kernel space. Samuel ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 40+ messages in thread
* Re: Getting speakup to run on debian ` Samuel Thibault ` covici @ ` Steve Matzura ` Samuel Thibault 1 sibling, 1 reply; 40+ messages in thread From: Steve Matzura @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Or, until that changes, display one screen at a time, with an option to show previous/next screen or enter the requested prompt? On Thu, 31 Dec 2015 14:01:56 +0100, you wrote: >Hello, > >Steve Matzura, on Thu 31 Dec 2015 07:08:46 -0500, wrote: >> There was a screen with 78 choices, one per line, and >> I couldn't figure out how to scroll the screen backward to read the >> first and second screens of choices, > >Yes, that's the issue with CLIs, I don't see good solutions beyond >switching to non-CLI to get better browsing facilities. > >Apparently speakup does not know how to access to the backscroll of the >console. I'm surprised nobody apparently raised the issue, it should be >possible to fix it. > >Samuel >_______________________________________________ >Speakup mailing list >Speakup@linux-speakup.org >http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 40+ messages in thread
* Re: Getting speakup to run on debian ` Steve Matzura @ ` Samuel Thibault ` Gregory Nowak 0 siblings, 1 reply; 40+ messages in thread From: Samuel Thibault @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Steve Matzura, on Thu 31 Dec 2015 08:49:11 -0500, wrote: > Or, until that changes, display one screen at a time, with an option > to show previous/next screen or enter the requested prompt? At first I was thinking it wouldn't be so simple, but it seems so actually. I have prepared a patched version: https://people.debian.org/~sthibault/tmp/mini-cdebconf-text-choices.iso '(' and ')' can be used to display next and previous choices. Probably better shortcuts could be found ('<' is already taken), any ideas? Samuel ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 40+ messages in thread
* Re: Getting speakup to run on debian ` Samuel Thibault @ ` Gregory Nowak ` Samuel Thibault 0 siblings, 1 reply; 40+ messages in thread From: Gregory Nowak @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup On Fri, Jan 15, 2016 at 01:07:51AM +0100, Samuel Thibault wrote: > '(' and ')' can be used to display next and previous choices. Probably > better shortcuts could be found ('<' is already taken), any ideas? Might I suggest '-' and '+' for prev/next respectively? That seems more intuitive to me. Greg -- web site: http://www.gregn.net gpg public key: http://www.gregn.net/pubkey.asc skype: gregn1 (authorization required, add me to your contacts list first) If we haven't been in touch before, e-mail me before adding me to your contacts. -- Free domains: http://www.eu.org/ or mail dns-manager@EU.org ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 40+ messages in thread
* Re: Getting speakup to run on debian ` Gregory Nowak @ ` Samuel Thibault 0 siblings, 0 replies; 40+ messages in thread From: Samuel Thibault @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Gregory Nowak, on Thu 14 Jan 2016 21:47:14 -0700, wrote: > On Fri, Jan 15, 2016 at 01:07:51AM +0100, Samuel Thibault wrote: > > '(' and ')' can be used to display next and previous choices. Probably > > better shortcuts could be found ('<' is already taken), any ideas? > > Might I suggest '-' and '+' for prev/next respectively? That seems > more intuitive to me. Indeed, good idea. Samuel ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 40+ messages in thread
* Re: Getting speakup to run on debian ` Steve Matzura ` (3 preceding siblings ...) ` Samuel Thibault @ ` Keith Barrett ` Steve Matzura 4 siblings, 1 reply; 40+ messages in thread From: Keith Barrett @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Just a thought, Do you have sound working? running "speaker-test" should give you white noise if sound is working. You may have some of the sound controls muted. On 31/12/15 12:08, Steve Matzura wrote: > I just installed a fresh Jessie yesterday. The install was assisted by > Speakup, which I started at the install screen main menu by pressing > s<ENTER>. I was quite impressed with the way it all worked, with one > silly exception: There was a screen with 78 choices, one per line, and > I couldn't figure out how to scroll the screen backward to read the > first and second screens of choices, so I just went with the default > choice, which turned out to be the correct one for me for the question > being asked. Very impressive. No Orca, no forms, just straight CLI. I > love CLI. > > Now then, the system is up and running, there's no desktop, I boot > directly to the login prompt, and now I want to get Speakup working on > the console terminals. Someone named Samuel from Debian accessibility > told me I should install the espeakup package, but apt-get can't find > it. What'd I do wrong? And why would I even need to be doing this > since obviously Speakup is included in the install, you'd think, or at > least I did, that it would already exist on the system and be able to > be run. > > Thanks in advance for any and all assistance and advice. > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@linux-speakup.org > http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 40+ messages in thread
* Re: Getting speakup to run on debian ` Keith Barrett @ ` Steve Matzura ` Keith Barrett 0 siblings, 1 reply; 40+ messages in thread From: Steve Matzura @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Yes, I absolutely did have *EVERYTHING* muted and didn't know it until I learned (a little) how to use amixer. I'm still a little confused about one thing: amixer thinks the main sound card's output is a headphone jack, so when I set the volume for 'Front' to 100%, I got no results, but when I set pvolume to 100% for Headphone, on it came. Now that I think about it a little, I've seen something similar to this in Windows. These Realtek sound chips have an annoying property where they show two devices with the same name, something like "Realtek High-Definition Speakers". One is the jack on the back of the machine, one is the internal speaker of that machine. However, when you set the default device to one of those two high-definition devices and plug a headphone into the headphone jack, with the internal speaker setting, it doesn't switch over, but with the other one, it does, and the default device now changes to "Realtek High-Definition Headphones". so I think what's going on in the Linux interpretation of all of this is that Linux calls the main output jack "Headphone" because it can be switched to a front-panel connection simply by plugging something into it. I have tried the other jacks on the back panel, of which there are four others (not including the SPDIF/optical connector, which looks and feels nothing like an eighth-inch audio jack), and gotten no response, so I'm 99% sure I'm plugged in to the right thing and have the right control volume set in amixer. On Thu, 31 Dec 2015 15:13:07 +0000, you wrote: >Just a thought, > >Do you have sound working? > >running "speaker-test" should give you white noise if sound is working. > >You may have some of the sound controls muted. > > > >On 31/12/15 12:08, Steve Matzura wrote: >> I just installed a fresh Jessie yesterday. The install was assisted by >> Speakup, which I started at the install screen main menu by pressing >> s<ENTER>. I was quite impressed with the way it all worked, with one >> silly exception: There was a screen with 78 choices, one per line, and >> I couldn't figure out how to scroll the screen backward to read the >> first and second screens of choices, so I just went with the default >> choice, which turned out to be the correct one for me for the question >> being asked. Very impressive. No Orca, no forms, just straight CLI. I >> love CLI. >> >> Now then, the system is up and running, there's no desktop, I boot >> directly to the login prompt, and now I want to get Speakup working on >> the console terminals. Someone named Samuel from Debian accessibility >> told me I should install the espeakup package, but apt-get can't find >> it. What'd I do wrong? And why would I even need to be doing this >> since obviously Speakup is included in the install, you'd think, or at >> least I did, that it would already exist on the system and be able to >> be run. >> >> Thanks in advance for any and all assistance and advice. >> _______________________________________________ >> Speakup mailing list >> Speakup@linux-speakup.org >> http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup > >_______________________________________________ >Speakup mailing list >Speakup@linux-speakup.org >http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 40+ messages in thread
* Re: Getting speakup to run on debian ` Steve Matzura @ ` Keith Barrett ` Steve Matzura 0 siblings, 1 reply; 40+ messages in thread From: Keith Barrett @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Glad you got it going. Probably would be better if nothing was muted by default so that it should come up with sound enabelled. I got caught with the same issue a few years ago but probably best to report it as a bug. On 31/12/15 16:40, Steve Matzura wrote: > Yes, I absolutely did have *EVERYTHING* muted and didn't know it until > I learned (a little) how to use amixer. I'm still a little confused > about one thing: amixer thinks the main sound card's output is a > headphone jack, so when I set the volume for 'Front' to 100%, I got no > results, but when I set pvolume to 100% for Headphone, on it came. Now > that I think about it a little, I've seen something similar to this in > Windows. These Realtek sound chips have an annoying property where > they show two devices with the same name, something like "Realtek > High-Definition Speakers". One is the jack on the back of the machine, > one is the internal speaker of that machine. However, when you set the > default device to one of those two high-definition devices and plug a > headphone into the headphone jack, with the internal speaker setting, > it doesn't switch over, but with the other one, it does, and the > default device now changes to "Realtek High-Definition Headphones". so > I think what's going on in the Linux interpretation of all of this is > that Linux calls the main output jack "Headphone" because it can be > switched to a front-panel connection simply by plugging something into > it. I have tried the other jacks on the back panel, of which there are > four others (not including the SPDIF/optical connector, which looks > and feels nothing like an eighth-inch audio jack), and gotten no > response, so I'm 99% sure I'm plugged in to the right thing and have > the right control volume set in amixer. > > On Thu, 31 Dec 2015 15:13:07 +0000, you wrote: > >> Just a thought, >> >> Do you have sound working? >> >> running "speaker-test" should give you white noise if sound is working. >> >> You may have some of the sound controls muted. >> >> >> >> On 31/12/15 12:08, Steve Matzura wrote: >>> I just installed a fresh Jessie yesterday. The install was assisted by >>> Speakup, which I started at the install screen main menu by pressing >>> s<ENTER>. I was quite impressed with the way it all worked, with one >>> silly exception: There was a screen with 78 choices, one per line, and >>> I couldn't figure out how to scroll the screen backward to read the >>> first and second screens of choices, so I just went with the default >>> choice, which turned out to be the correct one for me for the question >>> being asked. Very impressive. No Orca, no forms, just straight CLI. I >>> love CLI. >>> >>> Now then, the system is up and running, there's no desktop, I boot >>> directly to the login prompt, and now I want to get Speakup working on >>> the console terminals. Someone named Samuel from Debian accessibility >>> told me I should install the espeakup package, but apt-get can't find >>> it. What'd I do wrong? And why would I even need to be doing this >>> since obviously Speakup is included in the install, you'd think, or at >>> least I did, that it would already exist on the system and be able to >>> be run. >>> >>> Thanks in advance for any and all assistance and advice. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Speakup mailing list >>> Speakup@linux-speakup.org >>> http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup >> _______________________________________________ >> Speakup mailing list >> Speakup@linux-speakup.org >> http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@linux-speakup.org > http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 40+ messages in thread
* Re: Getting speakup to run on debian ` Keith Barrett @ ` Steve Matzura 0 siblings, 0 replies; 40+ messages in thread From: Steve Matzura @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Yes, and I just got beat up (LOLP in two places for not reporting something as a bug, but I'm very conservative on bug reporting until I am absolutely positively sure I'm not the one with the bug. Debuggers' time is more valuable than mine will ever be, so I am wont to waste their time on what's really a user problem, and the computer gods know I've certainly been at the root of more than a few of those. On Thu, 31 Dec 2015 17:03:03 +0000, you wrote: >Glad you got it going. > >Probably would be better if nothing was muted by default so that it >should come up with sound enabelled. > >I got caught with the same issue a few years ago but probably best to >report it as a bug. > > > >On 31/12/15 16:40, Steve Matzura wrote: >> Yes, I absolutely did have *EVERYTHING* muted and didn't know it until >> I learned (a little) how to use amixer. I'm still a little confused >> about one thing: amixer thinks the main sound card's output is a >> headphone jack, so when I set the volume for 'Front' to 100%, I got no >> results, but when I set pvolume to 100% for Headphone, on it came. Now >> that I think about it a little, I've seen something similar to this in >> Windows. These Realtek sound chips have an annoying property where >> they show two devices with the same name, something like "Realtek >> High-Definition Speakers". One is the jack on the back of the machine, >> one is the internal speaker of that machine. However, when you set the >> default device to one of those two high-definition devices and plug a >> headphone into the headphone jack, with the internal speaker setting, >> it doesn't switch over, but with the other one, it does, and the >> default device now changes to "Realtek High-Definition Headphones". so >> I think what's going on in the Linux interpretation of all of this is >> that Linux calls the main output jack "Headphone" because it can be >> switched to a front-panel connection simply by plugging something into >> it. I have tried the other jacks on the back panel, of which there are >> four others (not including the SPDIF/optical connector, which looks >> and feels nothing like an eighth-inch audio jack), and gotten no >> response, so I'm 99% sure I'm plugged in to the right thing and have >> the right control volume set in amixer. >> >> On Thu, 31 Dec 2015 15:13:07 +0000, you wrote: >> >>> Just a thought, >>> >>> Do you have sound working? >>> >>> running "speaker-test" should give you white noise if sound is working. >>> >>> You may have some of the sound controls muted. >>> >>> >>> >>> On 31/12/15 12:08, Steve Matzura wrote: >>>> I just installed a fresh Jessie yesterday. The install was assisted by >>>> Speakup, which I started at the install screen main menu by pressing >>>> s<ENTER>. I was quite impressed with the way it all worked, with one >>>> silly exception: There was a screen with 78 choices, one per line, and >>>> I couldn't figure out how to scroll the screen backward to read the >>>> first and second screens of choices, so I just went with the default >>>> choice, which turned out to be the correct one for me for the question >>>> being asked. Very impressive. No Orca, no forms, just straight CLI. I >>>> love CLI. >>>> >>>> Now then, the system is up and running, there's no desktop, I boot >>>> directly to the login prompt, and now I want to get Speakup working on >>>> the console terminals. Someone named Samuel from Debian accessibility >>>> told me I should install the espeakup package, but apt-get can't find >>>> it. What'd I do wrong? And why would I even need to be doing this >>>> since obviously Speakup is included in the install, you'd think, or at >>>> least I did, that it would already exist on the system and be able to >>>> be run. >>>> >>>> Thanks in advance for any and all assistance and advice. >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Speakup mailing list >>>> Speakup@linux-speakup.org >>>> http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Speakup mailing list >>> Speakup@linux-speakup.org >>> http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup >> _______________________________________________ >> Speakup mailing list >> Speakup@linux-speakup.org >> http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup > >_______________________________________________ >Speakup mailing list >Speakup@linux-speakup.org >http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 40+ messages in thread
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