speech-dispatcher and espeak

speech-dispatcher and espeak

[Christopher Moore]

Hello,
I'm trying to setup speech-dispatcher with spd-conf as a normal user.
When I run the diagnostic tests, espeak, alsa and pulse respond.
When I save the settings and try an spd-say, I get the message 
from the dummy voice.  The log says it can't load the output module, 
even though espeak 
works in the diagnostic tests.

Any thoughts?

Chris

Re: speech-dispatcher and espeak

[Christopher Brannon]

Christopher Moore <chris.w1gm@gmail.com> writes:

> I'm trying to setup speech-dispatcher with spd-conf as a normal user.
> When I run the diagnostic tests, espeak, alsa and pulse respond.
> When I save the settings and try an spd-say, I get the message 
> from the dummy voice.  The log says it can't load the output module, 

Hello,
I assume you're still using ArchLinux.  Turns out that the
speech-dispatcher package in [extra] is broken.  Well, not completely.
The problem is that it doesn't depend on pulseaudio, even though the
default configuration sets the audio output method to pulse.
A quick fix is to edit
~/.speech-dispatcher/conf/speechd.conf.
Find the line containing AudioOutputMethod, and change pulse to alsa.
I'll file a bug on the ArchLinux bug tracker later.

-- Chris

Re: speech-dispatcher and espeak

[Kyle]

On 02/21/2011 07:30 PM, Christopher Brannon wrote:
> Christopher Moore<chris.w1gm@gmail.com>  writes:
>
>> I'm trying to setup speech-dispatcher with spd-conf as a normal user.
>> When I run the diagnostic tests, espeak, alsa and pulse respond.
>> When I save the settings and try an spd-say, I get the message
>> from the dummy voice.  The log says it can't load the output module,
> Hello,
> I assume you're still using ArchLinux.  Turns out that the
> speech-dispatcher package in [extra] is broken.  Well, not completely.
> The problem is that it doesn't depend on pulseaudio, even though the
> default configuration sets the audio output method to pulse.
> A quick fix is to edit
> ~/.speech-dispatcher/conf/speechd.conf.
> Find the line containing AudioOutputMethod, and change pulse to alsa.
> I'll file a bug on the ArchLinux bug tracker later.
>
> -- Chris
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As a new convert to Arch, I can also add that speech-dispatcher will 
only work properly if you are in the group "audio." I wasn't a member of 
audio in Ubuntu, and Sox works in Arch without the audio group, but user 
mode speech-dispatcher does not.
~Kyle

Re: speech-dispatcher and espeak

[Christopher Brannon]

Kyle <kyle4jesus@gmail.com> writes:

> As a new convert to Arch, I can also add that speech-dispatcher will
> only work properly if you are in the group "audio." I wasn't a member
> of audio in Ubuntu, and Sox works in Arch without the audio group,

Yes, you need to be in the audio group in order to access the sound
card.  I'd be really surprised if sox worked for a non-root user who
wasn't in that group.

Anyway, the dependency on pulse should be fixed, I believe.

-- Chris

Re: speech-dispatcher and espeak

[Steve Holmes]

The speech-dispatcher-git package addresses all this or I should say,
that it corrects the default output module situation and sets things
up so it can be run as a central service if you want.  I need to
update the install script so it will remind the person to add the user
to the speechd group.  I haven't had any problems with
speech-dispatcher-git so if there are any other issues with it, let me
know and I can fix that.  I own the speech-dispatcher-git package in
the Arch User Repository (AUR).

Maybe the package in Extra can be modified to include some of what I
do with the git version.  At least as far as doing in-place edits to
the config files any way.

On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 04:16:30PM +0000, Christopher Brannon wrote:
> Kyle <kyle4jesus@gmail.com> writes:
> 
> > As a new convert to Arch, I can also add that speech-dispatcher will
> > only work properly if you are in the group "audio." I wasn't a member
> > of audio in Ubuntu, and Sox works in Arch without the audio group,
> 
> Yes, you need to be in the audio group in order to access the sound
> card.  I'd be really surprised if sox worked for a non-root user who
> wasn't in that group.
> 
> Anyway, the dependency on pulse should be fixed, I believe.
> 
> -- Chris
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Re: speech-dispatcher and espeak

[Kyle]

I'm running speech-dispatcher as a user service and use espeakup on text 
consoles. I plan to install speech-dispatcher-git, since I was running 
it from git on Ubuntu before I installed Arch. I'll report any problems 
I find, and hopefully will be trying my own AUR package soon, as I'm 
missing a pretty nice speech synthesizer I used to have in Ubuntu.
~Kyle

Re: speech-dispatcher and espeak

[Christopher Moore]

Kyle and Steve,

I'd still like to get this pulseaudio working because they have it working in ubuntu.  

I currently have a pulse server running and get the following output from spd-conf

Do you want to test the Espeak synthesizer now? [yes] :
>yes
Testing whether Espeak works
ALSA lib pcm.c:2211:(snd_pcm_open_noupdate) Unknown PCM cards.pcm.rear
ALSA lib pcm.c:2211:(snd_pcm_open_noupdate) Unknown PCM cards.pcm.center_lfe
ALSA lib pcm.c:2211:(snd_pcm_open_noupdate) Unknown PCM cards.pcm.side
ALSA lib setup.c:344:(snd_config_get_ctl_elem_value) bad value type
ALSA lib pcm.c:2211:(snd_pcm_open_noupdate) Unknown PCM cards.pcm.hdmi
ALSA lib pcm.c:2211:(snd_pcm_open_noupdate) Unknown PCM cards.pcm.hdmi
ALSA lib pcm.c:2211:(snd_pcm_open_noupdate) Unknown PCM cards.pcm.modem
ALSA lib pcm.c:2211:(snd_pcm_open_noupdate) Unknown PCM cards.pcm.modem
ALSA lib pcm.c:2211:(snd_pcm_open_noupdate) Unknown PCM cards.pcm.phoneline
ALSA lib pcm.c:2211:(snd_pcm_open_noupdate) Unknown PCM cards.pcm.phoneline
ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:957:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) The dmix plugin supports only playba
Espeak is installed
Do you want to test the ALSA sound system now? [yes] :
>yes
Testing ALSA sound output
Playing WAVE '/usr/share/sounds/speech-dispatcher/test.wav' : Signed 16 bit Litt
Did you hear the sound? [yes] :
>
Audio output 'alsa' works
Do you want to test the Pulse Audio sound system now? [yes] :
>
Testing PULSE sound output
Did you hear the sound? [yes] :
>
Audio output 'pulse' works
Testing whether Python Speech Dispatcher library is in path and importable


Diagnostics results:
Speech Dispatcher not working through spd-say
Synthesizers that were tested and seem to work: ['espeak']
Audio systems that were tested and seem to work: ['alsa', 'pulse']
Python Speech Dispatcher module is importable
End of diagnostics results

The lines beginning with "ALSA lib" may be coming from spd-say (but I'm not certain of this).

If you take a look at the arch wiki pulseaudio page, they tell you how to run pulseaudio.  The idea is to get all your apps to funnel output into 
pulseaudio server.  In the case of alsa, you install a /etc/alsa.conf which essentially reroutes all alsa output to pulse.
So if your alsa apps such as espeakup are coded correctly, 
you should hear output whether your pulse server is running or not.
Currently, with my pulse server running I get no speech from espeakup and tons of error messages.  
However, by installing the portaudio-git package, I get speech output from the espeak command.

Kyle, do you have orca and gnome running?  If so, how do you get apps like rhythmbox to work without pulseaudio?

Chris M

Re: speech-dispatcher and espeak

[Kyle]

I do have Orca and GNOME running, but I haven't tried Rhythmbox. I'm 
still trying to figure out where in the world my system sound 
preferences are now, since they're not in system/preferences where they 
used to be in Ubuntu. I'll be trying to get pulseaudio working in the 
near future, I just haven't gotten to it yet; I'm still learning the 
system and how everything works. It is different from Ubuntu, and so far 
I can't even get the rsgames client working because of a python problem. 
Stay tuned. I'm still cleaning up little messes and making large new 
ones. LOL.
~Kyle

Re: speech-dispatcher and espeak

[Alonzo Cuellar]

Go to system, preferences, volume I think. Make sure the gnome-audio package is installed.

Alonzo
On Feb 22, 2011, at 2:17 PM, Kyle wrote:

> I do have Orca and GNOME running, but I haven't tried Rhythmbox. I'm still trying to figure out where in the world my system sound preferences are now, since they're not in system/preferences where they used to be in Ubuntu. I'll be trying to get pulseaudio working in the near future, I just haven't gotten to it yet; I'm still learning the system and how everything works. It is different from Ubuntu, and so far I can't even get the rsgames client working because of a python problem. Stay tuned. I'm still cleaning up little messes and making large new ones. LOL.
> ~Kyle
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Re: speech-dispatcher and espeak

[Kyle]

You are indeed correct. I was looking for "sounds" and found "volume 
control. I missed the other tabs in that window. Thanks for the help.
~Kyle

Re: speech-dispatcher and espeak

[Steve Holmes]

Yeah but that isn't the whole of it.  You can get into the volume
control and specify which theme is used for alert sounds but you
cannot control other sound events from there.  I understand there is
supposed to be a full preference thing there and is available in other
distros but for some reason, it is not found in Arch and when I asked
about it in the arch-general list, someone mentioned having to install
gnome-pulse or some such.  Frankly, I'm so paranoid about installing
anything to do with pulse, I don't wanna lose speech or have the big
performance hits other pulse users constantly run into.

On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 04:16:45PM -0500, Kyle wrote:
> You are indeed correct. I was looking for "sounds" and found "volume
> control. I missed the other tabs in that window. Thanks for the
> help.
> ~Kyle
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Re: speech-dispatcher and espeak

[Kyle]

I seem to have gotten pulseaudio working without any problems. I just 
installed pulseaudio and changed /etc/pulse/daemon.conf to get rid of 
the distortion. Here's the values I changed, which I read on the Arch 
forum somewhere:

default-sample-method=src-sinc-best-quality

And you'll need to uncomment this one:

default-fragments = 5

The original value was 4, but the post said to change it to 5, and I'm 
having no trouble with it at this point.

I see no reason now to still be paranoid about installing pulseaudio. 
It's becoming the default in more and more distros, and it's good to 
report any bugs that come up. That being said, this is the reason why I 
have come to love Arch. It has no default system, so it's possible to 
make choices based on personal preference rather than having choices 
made by distro X that may not fit individual needs.

Re: speech-dispatcher and espeak

[Christopher Moore]

Kyle,
Did you snstall the pulse-audio-gnome group?
I read that this would give you access to the pulseaudio volume controls for gnome.

And how os pulse working with speechd?

Chris

Re: speech-dispatcher and espeak

[Kyle]

I installed Lightspark from AUR so I could get Youtube and other similar 
things in the browser. Installing Lightspark pulled in Pulse. I only 
replaced the AudioOutputMethod directive in 
.speech-dispatcher/conf/speechd.conf to use pulse and noticed the 
distortion after I restarted speech-dispatcher, at which point I found 
and changed the settings I reported earlier. I have just installed the 
pulseaudio-gnome group as I write this message, which replaced 
gnome-media and gnome-settings-daemon, as well as pulling in a couple of 
additional pulse packages. I'll look at my volume control options, and 
I'll probably need to log out and back in, but I'll report my result. As 
for speech-dispatcher, once I changed the settings in 
/etc/pulse/daemon.conf and restarted speech-dispatcher, everything 
started working perfectly.
~Kyle

Re: speech-dispatcher and espeak

[Kyle]

And I'm back. The first thing I notice is that "volume control" is now 
called sound, and it has all the options I expected. There seems to be 
an improvement in speech-dispatcher's responsiveness and overall 
performance over Ubuntu's implementation as well. So far, I'm impressed. 
There are a few issues with what seems to be a very fast dropout of the 
speech during very short letters, but it's not a showstopper for me. 
Perhaps there's another setting somewhere I need to tweak. 
Interestingly, I only started noticing this blip after I installed 
pulseaudio-gnome, which pulled in alsa-plugins and pulseaudio-alsa.
~Kyle

Re: speech-dispatcher and espeak

[Steve Holmes]

Hey, there is an error in your message below.  The
default-sample-method is being flagged as an invalid option in
pulseaudio when I attempt to start pulseaudio.  Actually, this option
never existed in the daemon.conf file to begin with.  I thought I
would add it to the file but no joy.  The only sample-method anything
in the file was a resample-method so I thought I would try that one
and just add the suggested value from your message here and I didn't
get any errors but the sound from speech dispatcher is still horribly
distorted.  Frankly, it is unusable in this condition.  I did change
the default-fragments to 5 and uncommented but at this point, I can't
get speech-dispatcher to sound any better than this; it's really
terrible.  Now when I use mplayer from a console to play music, that
seems to sound OK.  So I don't know what speechd's problem is.  I got
the distortion when I tried both the espeak and the swift-generic
modules.  If I run swift outside of speech-dispatcher, it sounds
great.  So it makes me wonder if speech dispatcher is fucking up some
place.

On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 04:08:50PM -0500, Kyle wrote:
> I installed Lightspark from AUR so I could get Youtube and other
> similar things in the browser. Installing Lightspark pulled in
> Pulse. I only replaced the AudioOutputMethod directive in
> .speech-dispatcher/conf/speechd.conf to use pulse and noticed the
> distortion after I restarted speech-dispatcher, at which point I
> found and changed the settings I reported earlier. I have just
> installed the pulseaudio-gnome group as I write this message, which
> replaced gnome-media and gnome-settings-daemon, as well as pulling
> in a couple of additional pulse packages. I'll look at my volume
> control options, and I'll probably need to log out and back in, but
> I'll report my result. As for speech-dispatcher, once I changed the
> settings in /etc/pulse/daemon.conf and restarted speech-dispatcher,
> everything started working perfectly.
> ~Kyle
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Re: speech-dispatcher and espeak

[Kyle]

You're right. I believe I did make an error in my message. I do 
apologize for the confusion.

The correct line to change is the resample-method directive. It should read:

resample-method=src-sinc-best-quality

The other things are correct, and on my system, speechd is working 
perfectly. See the forum thread at
https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=66428
for more details about the problem and the corrections I used.

Another thing that may explain why you are still having problems: are 
you running speechd in user mode or as a system daemon? I am running in 
user mode, and am having no problems, but I haven't tried running it 
system wide, so I don't know if the corrections I found will work in 
system mode.
~Kyle

Re: speech-dispatcher and espeak

[Kyle]

I just thought of this. Are you running speech-dispatcher from extra or 
the speech-dispatcher-git package from AUR? Speech-dispatcher in extra 
seems to be properly configured to run in either user or system mode. 
But I couldn't get speech-dispatcher-git to run in user mode and didn't 
try running it in system mode, although it constantly attempted to find 
its socket in /var, which is only supposed to apply if run system-wide. 
It wouldn't surprise me in this case to find that there are other 
problems with the speech-dispatcher-git configuration. Perhaps it's 
currently broken and will be fixed in the near future, or perhaps 
something has changed in the default configuration that I'm unsure how 
to fix to make it run correctly here.
~Kyle

Re: speech-dispatcher and espeak

[Steve Holmes]

I am using speech-dispatcher from git or I should say
speech-dispatcher-git from AUR.  Actually, I maintain this package in
AUR and pretty much configured it to run as a system wide service in
its default form.  For that, it works great under alsa.  When I was
testing all this pulse stuff, I did configure speechd to run as a
single user and commented out the DisableAutoSpawn entry at the bottom
of the conf file.  So after all that, I was starting speech dispatcher
under pulse control; I could tell that much.  I also should mention
that I changed the AudioOutputMethod to pulse also.  I also had
problems with the environment variable still being set even though the
speechd daemon had been stopped.  For some reason, even when the
execute flag is turned off on /etc/profile.d/speechd.sh, it was still
being imported when users login.  I'm not sure why that is happening
because I thought files in profile.d had to be executible in order to
be imported like that.  So I commented out the line inside that file
and successfully had speechd running with autospawn and all.  

Frankly, I much prefer to run speechd as a central service if
possible; it just seems more stable that way.  I had too many problems
getting speechd to autospawn properly last night with all this messing
about.

Also, the distortion did not go away when I attempted the
src-best-quality deal for the resample-method.  I'll look into it
again but for now, it's nice to have a stable system again with ALSA
instead of pulse for speech dispatcher stuff.  One nice thing with
pulseaudio-gnome and friends is I get a few more sounds than I used to
get so it may be worth getting pulse going but speech dispatcher is a
bloody mess right now.

On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 09:36:40AM -0500, Kyle wrote:
> I just thought of this. Are you running speech-dispatcher from extra
> or the speech-dispatcher-git package from AUR? Speech-dispatcher in
> extra seems to be properly configured to run in either user or
> system mode. But I couldn't get speech-dispatcher-git to run in user
> mode and didn't try running it in system mode, although it
> constantly attempted to find its socket in /var, which is only
> supposed to apply if run system-wide. It wouldn't surprise me in
> this case to find that there are other problems with the
> speech-dispatcher-git configuration. Perhaps it's currently broken
> and will be fixed in the near future, or perhaps something has
> changed in the default configuration that I'm unsure how to fix to
> make it run correctly here.
> ~Kyle
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mailinglists Qvestion .

[Bardia Zakeri]

hi! were is the blinux or  vinux mailinglist  link?

RE: mailinglists Qvestion .

[Øyvind Lode]

I love Google.
It took me approx 5 seconds to locate the vinux homepage by typing "vinux" in the search field and hit enter.
The very first search result revealed vinux.org.uk and on that page I clicked on Contact.
On this page there are a few ways to get in touch with the vinux community including the mailing list:
http://groups.google.co.uk/group/vinux-support.

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: 25. februar 2011 17:56
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Subject: mailinglists Qvestion .

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Re: mailinglists Qvestion .

[Bardia Zakeri]

thakns
----- Original Message ----- 
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To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Friday, February 25, 2011 8:47 PM
Subject: RE: mailinglists Qvestion .


>I love Google.
> It took me approx 5 seconds to locate the vinux homepage by typing "vinux" 
> in the search field and hit enter.
> The very first search result revealed vinux.org.uk and on that page I 
> clicked on Contact.
> On this page there are a few ways to get in touch with the vinux community 
> including the mailing list:
> http://groups.google.co.uk/group/vinux-support.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca 
> [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca] On Behalf Of Bardia Zakeri
> Sent: 25. februar 2011 17:56
> To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
> Subject: mailinglists Qvestion .
>
> hi! were is the blinux or  vinux mailinglist  link?
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Re: mailinglists Qvestion .

[Steve Holmes]

Yeah and you hijacked my thread concerning pulse audio.  Changed the
subject but mutt still thinks it is part of the other thread.  Please
start a brand new message when starting a new topic.  Don't just reply
to something that is already out there.

On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 07:47:54PM +0000, Øyvind Lode wrote:
> I love Google.
> It took me approx 5 seconds to locate the vinux homepage by typing "vinux" in the search field and hit enter.
> The very first search result revealed vinux.org.uk and on that page I clicked on Contact.
> On this page there are a few ways to get in touch with the vinux community including the mailing list:
> http://groups.google.co.uk/group/vinux-support.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca] On Behalf Of Bardia Zakeri
> Sent: 25. februar 2011 17:56
> To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
> Subject: mailinglists Qvestion .
> 
> hi! were is the blinux or  vinux mailinglist  link?
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RE: mailinglists Qvestion .

[Øyvind Lode]

Steve: 
I agree, but looking at your reply it seems that you blame me for the hijacking of the pulse thread <smile>
Anyway I can see your frustration.
Hijacking is very annoying when reading email by threads.

-----Original Message-----
From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca] On Behalf Of Steve Holmes
Sent: 25. februar 2011 20:54
To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
Subject: Re: mailinglists Qvestion .

Yeah and you hijacked my thread concerning pulse audio.  Changed the
subject but mutt still thinks it is part of the other thread.  Please
start a brand new message when starting a new topic.  Don't just reply
to something that is already out there.

On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 07:47:54PM +0000, Øyvind Lode wrote:
> I love Google.
> It took me approx 5 seconds to locate the vinux homepage by typing "vinux" in the search field and hit enter.
> The very first search result revealed vinux.org.uk and on that page I clicked on Contact.
> On this page there are a few ways to get in touch with the vinux community including the mailing list:
> http://groups.google.co.uk/group/vinux-support.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca] On Behalf Of Bardia Zakeri
> Sent: 25. februar 2011 17:56
> To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
> Subject: mailinglists Qvestion .
> 
> hi! were is the blinux or  vinux mailinglist  link?
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Re: mailinglists Qvestion .

[Steve Holmes]

On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 08:47:49PM +0000, Øyvind Lode wrote:
> Steve: 
> I agree, but looking at your reply it seems that you blame me for the hijacking of the pulse thread <smile>
> Anyway I can see your frustration.
> Hijacking is very annoying when reading email by threads.

Yes, you're right.  It was Bardia Zakeri who took over that thread;
you were replying  to that one; sorry for wrong blaim.

Re: speech-dispatcher and espeak

[Steve Holmes]

More saga on pulse audio here.  I started messing with default sample
rate and at one point, I had really good sound from mplayer playing
music but as soon as I started speech-dispatcher, then it all went to
hell again.  In fact, the music playing through mplayer even got
distorted.  As soon as I killed pulse and restarted it again, then it
sounded good again.  Speech-dispatcher keeps screwing it up.  At one
point, I had pretty decent sound coming out of gnome along with Orca
using speech dispatcher but now I can't seem to get pulse back right
again.  I can't believe how volital pulse audio is.  No wonder so many
people have so much trouble with it.  It may be very complicated for
anyone who is simply trying to use it.  I thought alsa was bad at one
time but pulse really cuts the cake.

On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 09:36:40AM -0500, Kyle wrote:
> I just thought of this. Are you running speech-dispatcher from extra
> or the speech-dispatcher-git package from AUR? Speech-dispatcher in
> extra seems to be properly configured to run in either user or
> system mode. But I couldn't get speech-dispatcher-git to run in user
> mode and didn't try running it in system mode, although it
> constantly attempted to find its socket in /var, which is only
> supposed to apply if run system-wide. It wouldn't surprise me in
> this case to find that there are other problems with the
> speech-dispatcher-git configuration. Perhaps it's currently broken
> and will be fixed in the near future, or perhaps something has
> changed in the default configuration that I'm unsure how to fix to
> make it run correctly here.
> ~Kyle
> _______________________________________________
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> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
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Re: speech-dispatcher and espeak

[Christopher Moore]

Another thing you need to do when running pulse is to
blacklist the snd_pcm_oss module.  This prevents any oss applications 
from
using the soundcard directly.  In arch there is an osp 
package which you install.  The osspd daemon becomes the link
between your oss apps and pulse.

Chris

Re: speech-dispatcher and espeak

[Kenny Hitt]

Resending from the correct address.
On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 03:52:07PM -0600, Kenny Hitt wrote:
> Hi  Do you know if there has been any fixes for the speech-dispatcher alsa output since 0.7 was released?
> The 0.7 version crashes if I use alsa and pulseaudio isn't an option here since it locks my sound card.
> I still depend on espeakup for speech output in the console.  Fortunately, Debian still has the espeak gnome-speech driver.
> That's my current solution, but the upgrade to gnome 3.0 will likely end support for gnome-speech, so I need to get a working speech-dispatcher.
> 
>           Kenny
> .
> On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 02:22:17PM -0700, Steve Holmes wrote:
> > More saga on pulse audio here.  I started messing with default sample
> > rate and at one point, I had really good sound from mplayer playing
> > music but as soon as I started speech-dispatcher, then it all went to
> > hell again.  In fact, the music playing through mplayer even got
> > distorted.  As soon as I killed pulse and restarted it again, then it
> > sounded good again.  Speech-dispatcher keeps screwing it up.  At one
> > point, I had pretty decent sound coming out of gnome along with Orca
> > using speech dispatcher but now I can't seem to get pulse back right
> > again.  I can't believe how volital pulse audio is.  No wonder so many
> > people have so much trouble with it.  It may be very complicated for
> > anyone who is simply trying to use it.  I thought alsa was bad at one
> > time but pulse really cuts the cake.
> > 

vinux help.hi! i had download the file zip and extrakt it . but wen i go to cd to hi! i had download the file zip and extrakt it . but wen i go to cd to

[Bardia Zakeri]

Re: speech-dispatcher and espeak

[Steve Holmes]

I believe there have been numerous patches, of which several improve
stability.  I have not had speech dispatcher crashes on my desktop
system for some time now and I'm using the latest git version to do
this.  I did have some issues for a vew days on my laptop but after
that, I got things straitened out on that 64 bit machine as well.  

This pulse audio stuff just seems so unstable and unpredictable to
me.  I like it in gnome where I can manage separate volume levels for
different applications at the same time and I seem to be able to hear
some more windows type sound icons but that distortion and static is
too much for me to bare.  I'm tempted to leave speech-dispatcher to
use alsa and let pulse run for gnome and other things that aren't
affected by it.

On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 06:51:06PM -0600, Kenny Hitt wrote:
> Resending from the correct address.
> On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 03:52:07PM -0600, Kenny Hitt wrote:
> > Hi  Do you know if there has been any fixes for the speech-dispatcher alsa output since 0.7 was released?
> > The 0.7 version crashes if I use alsa and pulseaudio isn't an option here since it locks my sound card.
> > I still depend on espeakup for speech output in the console.  Fortunately, Debian still has the espeak gnome-speech driver.
> > That's my current solution, but the upgrade to gnome 3.0 will likely end support for gnome-speech, so I need to get a working speech-dispatcher.
> > 
> >           Kenny
> > .
> > On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 02:22:17PM -0700, Steve Holmes wrote:
> > > More saga on pulse audio here.  I started messing with default sample
> > > rate and at one point, I had really good sound from mplayer playing
> > > music but as soon as I started speech-dispatcher, then it all went to
> > > hell again.  In fact, the music playing through mplayer even got
> > > distorted.  As soon as I killed pulse and restarted it again, then it
> > > sounded good again.  Speech-dispatcher keeps screwing it up.  At one
> > > point, I had pretty decent sound coming out of gnome along with Orca
> > > using speech dispatcher but now I can't seem to get pulse back right
> > > again.  I can't believe how volital pulse audio is.  No wonder so many
> > > people have so much trouble with it.  It may be very complicated for
> > > anyone who is simply trying to use it.  I thought alsa was bad at one
> > > time but pulse really cuts the cake.
> > > 
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Re: speech-dispatcher and espeak

[Steve Holmes]

Yeah, I have pulse going now and it is working sort-of.  This brings
me to ask some questions so I can get a better handle on it and maybe
I can stablize the volumes from session to session.

1. How can you easily control the volume of streams in the console
environment? Like control mplayer's volume and perhaps
Speech-dispatcher.  Interestingly enough, espeakup and espeak seem to
be working OK since I installed the asound.conf file with suggested
pulse settings. It seems like at different invokations of
speech-dispatcher, the volume will change and then become all
distorted and stuff.

2. Right now, it seems easiest for me to control levels in gnome under
the system/preferences/sounds panel.  If I get those levels right, I
can get rid of the distortion and get speech dispatcher to sound
pretty decent. Are the volume settings within gnome shared with other
console applications? From what I've seen so far, I would say, yes.  I
just wonder if that is to be expected.

3. How are others dealing with Speakup, espeakup, and espeak with
Pulse? When I booted after setting up pulse, I did not have any speech
at the console login.  I got some error while rebooting without any
speech and after I hit the enter key, the boot finally finished and I
still didn't get speech right away.  I ssh'd into the machine from my
laptop and looked over some logs and saw some errors concerning
osspd.  I then went back over to my desktop machine and found it up
and talking so dunno for sure just when speech came up over there.

4. What order should the daemons be loaded that affect pulseaudio? So
far, I have alsa, osspd and well, of course espeak but that surely
should come after the others.

I hope I'm not too wild with these questions but I'm trying to get my
arms around this pulse stuff and keep it stable.  I'm presently
looking over the pulseaudio wiki but that is still a bit foggy right
now.

In case anyone is interested, the wiki can be found at
http://www.pulseaudio.org/wiki

please help to correct and answer my questions so not everything is wrong. t.x vinux etc on usb.

[Bardia Zakeri]

hello all!
I do not know if this list is so good to me this thing. but after fiddling 
with the download for linux file, which is for usb vinux the named CD to 
usb.bat. I follow the instructions and press sifran second o then says the 
os.iso found! but since I can not make progress. but when I press 1 it goes. 
o then I can select files. how much should be. but I'll dare to try with my 
Ubuntu 9.10 disc for later legge vinuxen of the stick or? To gjärna have 
vinux on usb and do not know if I have to fiddle too much is not today it 
has with my problems do I have ADHD too. it is good to know. so if I ever 
get angry or teeth, or nag, you know. it is good to know. for I have been 
poorly met from lists that are Swedish and I have lived with in / Bardia 
from snowy Sweden. I am using windows xp here with JAWS 9 and alva bc 640 
Infovox and eloqvense and old orpheus .. chub Dolphin
----------------- Use google translator for my English sometimes is 
difficult. I am 16 years so you know a little about me I see a little bit. 
colors light the dark outline. laser must have a point to read the black but 
do not like it. I'm interested in audio editing. I get audacity in vinux so 
it will also be a +!











------------

hej alla !
jag  vet inte  om denna lista är så bra till just denna sak. men efter att 
pillat med att hämta t linuxfilen  som är för  usb vinux  den som heter cd 
to usb.bat.  jag följer instruktionerna och trycker på sifran 2. o då säger 
the  os.iso found! men sedan går inte jag att komma vidare . men när jag 
trycker 1 så  går det .  o då kan jag välja filer . hur stor ska vara . men 
ska jag våga pröva med min  ubuntu 9.10 skiva  för sen  legga vinuxen på 
pinnen eller ? vill  gjärna ha vinux på usb  och   orkar inte om jag måste 
pilla för mycket  inte idag  det  har med mina problem att göra jag har adhd 
också . det är bra att veta . så om jag någon gång  blir arg  eller tänder 
till eller  tjatar så vet ni . det är bra att veta. för jag   har blivit 
dåligt mött  från listorna som  är svenska som jag har varigt med i   / 
Bardia från  snöigt sverige .  jag använder windows xp här med jaws 9 och 
alva bc 640  infovox  och eloqvense samt gammla orpheus .. fårn dolphine
----------------- använder google översättaren  för ibland min engelska blir 
svår . jag är 16 år  så ni vet  lite om mig  jag ser lite grann . färger 
ljus mörker konturer . läser mäst punkt kan läsa svart men tycker inte om 
det. jag  är intresserad av ljudredigering  med. så får jag audacity i vinux 
så blir det även ett +! 

RE: please help to correct and answer my questions so not everything is wrong. t.x vinux etc on usb.

[Øyvind Lode]

Hi:

Ok, Google translate is not perfect <smile>
I read the Swedish text (which you included at the bottom of your message).
I'm Norwegian, so I have no trouble understanding Swedish!
But what I don't understand is why you still keep sending vinux related messages to this list that are not Speakup related.
How to put the vinux image on a usb stick is not Speakup related after all.

Your best bet is to subscribe to the vinux maling list.
I sent you the url to the vinux google group yesterday.

-----Original Message-----
From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca] On Behalf Of Bardia Zakeri
Sent: 26. februar 2011 12:29
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
Cc: blinux-list@redhat.com; brltty@mielke.cc; orca-list@gnome.org
Subject: please help to correct and answer my questions so not everything is wrong. t.x vinux etc on usb.

hello all!
I do not know if this list is so good to me this thing. but after fiddling 
with the download for linux file, which is for usb vinux the named CD to 
usb.bat. I follow the instructions and press sifran second o then says the 
os.iso found! but since I can not make progress. but when I press 1 it goes. 
o then I can select files. how much should be. but I'll dare to try with my 
Ubuntu 9.10 disc for later legge vinuxen of the stick or? To gjärna have 
vinux on usb and do not know if I have to fiddle too much is not today it 
has with my problems do I have ADHD too. it is good to know. so if I ever 
get angry or teeth, or nag, you know. it is good to know. for I have been 
poorly met from lists that are Swedish and I have lived with in / Bardia 
from snowy Sweden. I am using windows xp here with JAWS 9 and alva bc 640 
Infovox and eloqvense and old orpheus .. chub Dolphin
----------------- Use google translator for my English sometimes is 
difficult. I am 16 years so you know a little about me I see a little bit. 
colors light the dark outline. laser must have a point to read the black but 
do not like it. I'm interested in audio editing. I get audacity in vinux so 
it will also be a +!











------------

hej alla !
jag  vet inte  om denna lista är så bra till just denna sak. men efter att 
pillat med att hämta t linuxfilen  som är för  usb vinux  den som heter cd 
to usb.bat.  jag följer instruktionerna och trycker på sifran 2. o då säger 
the  os.iso found! men sedan går inte jag att komma vidare . men när jag 
trycker 1 så  går det .  o då kan jag välja filer . hur stor ska vara . men 
ska jag våga pröva med min  ubuntu 9.10 skiva  för sen  legga vinuxen på 
pinnen eller ? vill  gjärna ha vinux på usb  och   orkar inte om jag måste 
pilla för mycket  inte idag  det  har med mina problem att göra jag har adhd 
också . det är bra att veta . så om jag någon gång  blir arg  eller tänder 
till eller  tjatar så vet ni . det är bra att veta. för jag   har blivit 
dåligt mött  från listorna som  är svenska som jag har varigt med i   / 
Bardia från  snöigt sverige .  jag använder windows xp här med jaws 9 och 
alva bc 640  infovox  och eloqvense samt gammla orpheus .. fårn dolphine
----------------- använder google översättaren  för ibland min engelska blir 
svår . jag är 16 år  så ni vet  lite om mig  jag ser lite grann . färger 
ljus mörker konturer . läser mäst punkt kan läsa svart men tycker inte om 
det. jag  är intresserad av ljudredigering  med. så får jag audacity i vinux 
så blir det även ett +! 

_______________________________________________
Speakup mailing list
Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: please help to correct and answer my questions so noteverything is wrong. t.x vinux etc on usb.

[Bardia Zakeri]

hi! i had  registre me noew to vinux suport  the google  group  .
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Øyvind Lode" <oyvind@lode.is>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2011 1:56 PM
Subject: RE: please help to correct and answer my questions so noteverything 
is wrong. t.x vinux etc on usb.


Hi:

Ok, Google translate is not perfect <smile>
I read the Swedish text (which you included at the bottom of your message).
I'm Norwegian, so I have no trouble understanding Swedish!
But what I don't understand is why you still keep sending vinux related 
messages to this list that are not Speakup related.
How to put the vinux image on a usb stick is not Speakup related after all.

Your best bet is to subscribe to the vinux maling list.
I sent you the url to the vinux google group yesterday.

-----Original Message-----
From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca] 
On Behalf Of Bardia Zakeri
Sent: 26. februar 2011 12:29
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
Cc: blinux-list@redhat.com; brltty@mielke.cc; orca-list@gnome.org
Subject: please help to correct and answer my questions so not everything is 
wrong. t.x vinux etc on usb.

hello all!
I do not know if this list is so good to me this thing. but after fiddling
with the download for linux file, which is for usb vinux the named CD to
usb.bat. I follow the instructions and press sifran second o then says the
os.iso found! but since I can not make progress. but when I press 1 it goes.
o then I can select files. how much should be. but I'll dare to try with my
Ubuntu 9.10 disc for later legge vinuxen of the stick or? To gjärna have
vinux on usb and do not know if I have to fiddle too much is not today it
has with my problems do I have ADHD too. it is good to know. so if I ever
get angry or teeth, or nag, you know. it is good to know. for I have been
poorly met from lists that are Swedish and I have lived with in / Bardia
from snowy Sweden. I am using windows xp here with JAWS 9 and alva bc 640
Infovox and eloqvense and old orpheus .. chub Dolphin
----------------- Use google translator for my English sometimes is
difficult. I am 16 years so you know a little about me I see a little bit.
colors light the dark outline. laser must have a point to read the black but
do not like it. I'm interested in audio editing. I get audacity in vinux so
it will also be a +!











------------

hej alla !
jag  vet inte  om denna lista är så bra till just denna sak. men efter att
pillat med att hämta t linuxfilen  som är för  usb vinux  den som heter cd
to usb.bat.  jag följer instruktionerna och trycker på sifran 2. o då säger
the  os.iso found! men sedan går inte jag att komma vidare . men när jag
trycker 1 så  går det .  o då kan jag välja filer . hur stor ska vara . men
ska jag våga pröva med min  ubuntu 9.10 skiva  för sen  legga vinuxen på
pinnen eller ? vill  gjärna ha vinux på usb  och   orkar inte om jag måste
pilla för mycket  inte idag  det  har med mina problem att göra jag har adhd
också . det är bra att veta . så om jag någon gång  blir arg  eller tänder
till eller  tjatar så vet ni . det är bra att veta. för jag   har blivit
dåligt mött  från listorna som  är svenska som jag har varigt med i   /
Bardia från  snöigt sverige .  jag använder windows xp här med jaws 9 och
alva bc 640  infovox  och eloqvense samt gammla orpheus .. fårn dolphine
----------------- använder google översättaren  för ibland min engelska blir
svår . jag är 16 år  så ni vet  lite om mig  jag ser lite grann . färger
ljus mörker konturer . läser mäst punkt kan läsa svart men tycker inte om
det. jag  är intresserad av ljudredigering  med. så får jag audacity i vinux
så blir det även ett +!

_______________________________________________
Speakup mailing list
Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
_______________________________________________
Speakup mailing list
Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup 

Re: please help to correct and answer my questions so noteverything is wrong. t.x vinux etc on usb.

[Bardia Zakeri]

 but my ? is how i can use  and open the  img xz file ?
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Øyvind Lode" <oyvind@lode.is>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2011 1:56 PM
Subject: RE: please help to correct and answer my questions so noteverything 
is wrong. t.x vinux etc on usb.


Hi:

Ok, Google translate is not perfect <smile>
I read the Swedish text (which you included at the bottom of your message).
I'm Norwegian, so I have no trouble understanding Swedish!
But what I don't understand is why you still keep sending vinux related 
messages to this list that are not Speakup related.
How to put the vinux image on a usb stick is not Speakup related after all.

Your best bet is to subscribe to the vinux maling list.
I sent you the url to the vinux google group yesterday.

-----Original Message-----
From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca] 
On Behalf Of Bardia Zakeri
Sent: 26. februar 2011 12:29
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
Cc: blinux-list@redhat.com; brltty@mielke.cc; orca-list@gnome.org
Subject: please help to correct and answer my questions so not everything is 
wrong. t.x vinux etc on usb.

hello all!
I do not know if this list is so good to me this thing. but after fiddling
with the download for linux file, which is for usb vinux the named CD to
usb.bat. I follow the instructions and press sifran second o then says the
os.iso found! but since I can not make progress. but when I press 1 it goes.
o then I can select files. how much should be. but I'll dare to try with my
Ubuntu 9.10 disc for later legge vinuxen of the stick or? To gjärna have
vinux on usb and do not know if I have to fiddle too much is not today it
has with my problems do I have ADHD too. it is good to know. so if I ever
get angry or teeth, or nag, you know. it is good to know. for I have been
poorly met from lists that are Swedish and I have lived with in / Bardia
from snowy Sweden. I am using windows xp here with JAWS 9 and alva bc 640
Infovox and eloqvense and old orpheus .. chub Dolphin
----------------- Use google translator for my English sometimes is
difficult. I am 16 years so you know a little about me I see a little bit.
colors light the dark outline. laser must have a point to read the black but
do not like it. I'm interested in audio editing. I get audacity in vinux so
it will also be a +!











------------

hej alla !
jag  vet inte  om denna lista är så bra till just denna sak. men efter att
pillat med att hämta t linuxfilen  som är för  usb vinux  den som heter cd
to usb.bat.  jag följer instruktionerna och trycker på sifran 2. o då säger
the  os.iso found! men sedan går inte jag att komma vidare . men när jag
trycker 1 så  går det .  o då kan jag välja filer . hur stor ska vara . men
ska jag våga pröva med min  ubuntu 9.10 skiva  för sen  legga vinuxen på
pinnen eller ? vill  gjärna ha vinux på usb  och   orkar inte om jag måste
pilla för mycket  inte idag  det  har med mina problem att göra jag har adhd
också . det är bra att veta . så om jag någon gång  blir arg  eller tänder
till eller  tjatar så vet ni . det är bra att veta. för jag   har blivit
dåligt mött  från listorna som  är svenska som jag har varigt med i   /
Bardia från  snöigt sverige .  jag använder windows xp här med jaws 9 och
alva bc 640  infovox  och eloqvense samt gammla orpheus .. fårn dolphine
----------------- använder google översättaren  för ibland min engelska blir
svår . jag är 16 år  så ni vet  lite om mig  jag ser lite grann . färger
ljus mörker konturer . läser mäst punkt kan läsa svart men tycker inte om
det. jag  är intresserad av ljudredigering  med. så får jag audacity i vinux
så blir det även ett +!

_______________________________________________
Speakup mailing list
Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
_______________________________________________
Speakup mailing list
Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup