* please help with legacy grub @ Gregory Nowak ` Pia 0 siblings, 1 reply; 18+ messages in thread From: Gregory Nowak @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi folks, I did a minimal upgrade on my debian system from lenny to squeeze, and rebooted after upgrading the kernel and udev, as the squeeze release notes say to do. This left me with an unbootable system. No, it's not because I ignored the warning to boot by label or uuid. I can tell from the initrd shell that the piix.ko module loads, but it tells me that both ide ports are disabled. This leaves me without sdax, or hdax devices under /dev, and no disks directory under /dev. I have the feeling that if I took out all_ide_generic out of the kernel command line, things would work. My problem however is grub. Once the system boots from the drive, I press ESC. From what I gathered by searching the web, in order to edit the command line of the first menu entry, I need to type e twice, arrow to where I want to edit, and press ctrl+x to get out of the editor. So, after hitting ESC, I press e twice, arrow right 80 times which should put me at the end of the line, and then backspace 21 times which should erase what I want to erase, and I then press ctrl+x to exit. From what I understand, I should then be able to hit b,and boot that entry, but when I hit b, nothing happens. So, I tried another approach I read about. I hooked up my serial synth to this machine (I normally use my doubletalk pc with speakup), and rebooted. I pressed ESC, pressed c to get into command mode, and typed: serial --unit=0 --speed=9600 terminal_output serial but again, nothing happened. Another alternative would be to solve this from a livecd system, but since this machine has 64 megs of ram, I haven't yet found a modern livecd which would work with that much ram. So, if someone familiar with legacy grub (not grub2) could please walk me through, key press by key press, on what I need to do to edit and boot the first menu entry, I'd really appreciate it. Better yet, if someone could please explain where I went wrong with the serial console part, so I can do what I need to do with feedback, that would be even better. I think I know why I've been so fond of lilo for so many years, it's less complicated, or should I say less flexible to use. I have no problem with flexibility, provided that I can get feedback on what I'm doing. Thanks much in advance for any help. Greg - -- web site: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org gpg public key: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org/pubkey.asc skype: gregn1 (authorization required, add me to your contacts list first) - -- Free domains: http://www.eu.org/ or mail dns-manager@EU.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAk1TW/sACgkQ7s9z/XlyUyCmBQCgoJOpvPj/qNTBWYtT7f/5+4un t4wAn0GZMZ4u7utUOvwFt2GaDNbNCAoR =dkyI -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 18+ messages in thread
* Re: please help with legacy grub please help with legacy grub Gregory Nowak @ ` Pia ` Gregory Nowak 0 siblings, 1 reply; 18+ messages in thread From: Pia @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. The best thing to do is get a GRML live CD. GRML talks and should work as a live CD with your system. http://grml.org You can use a cheat code to start speakup and then mount /dev/sda1 or whatever your root partition is on your hard drive and then from there set up grub either by running grub or chrooting into the environment on your hard drive and running grub from there. Note that it depends on what is wrong as to whether you can get away without chrooting or not and if you don't you also have to make sure you use the correct device names. You can also edit /boot/grub/menu.lst and /boot/grub/device.map manually as needed. Note that they will be under your mount point as well and so the paths I gave will not be exactly what they will be once you boot GRML. If I did not explain how to do this specifically enough, please let me know, but if I was too obvious in the things I mentioned, I also apologise. You sound like you are very competent with Linux, and so I don't always know what I should or should not write as far as detail goes. HTH, Pia On Wed, 9 Feb 2011, Gregory Nowak wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hi folks, > > I did a minimal upgrade on my debian system from lenny to squeeze, and > rebooted after upgrading the kernel and udev, as the squeeze release > notes say to do. This left me with an unbootable system. No, it's not > because I ignored the warning to boot by label or uuid. I can tell > from the initrd shell that the piix.ko module loads, but it tells me > that both ide ports are disabled. This leaves me without sdax, or hdax > devices under /dev, and no disks directory under /dev. I have the > feeling that if I took out all_ide_generic out of the kernel command > line, things would work. My problem however is grub. > > Once the system boots from the drive, I press ESC. From what I > gathered by searching the web, in order to edit the command line of > the first menu entry, I need to type e twice, arrow to where I want to > edit, and press ctrl+x to get out of the editor. So, after hitting > ESC, I press e twice, arrow right 80 times which should put me at the > end of the line, and then backspace 21 times which should erase what I > want to erase, and I then press ctrl+x to exit. From what I > understand, I should then be able to hit b,and boot that entry, but > when I hit b, nothing happens. > > So, I tried another approach I read about. I hooked up my serial synth > to this machine (I normally use my doubletalk pc with speakup), and > rebooted. I pressed ESC, pressed c to get into command mode, and > typed: > > serial --unit=0 --speed=9600 > terminal_output serial > > but again, nothing happened. > > Another alternative would be to solve this from a livecd system, but > since this machine has 64 megs of ram, I haven't yet found a modern > livecd which would work with that much ram. > > So, if someone familiar with legacy grub (not grub2) could please walk > me through, key press by key press, on what I need to do to edit and > boot the first menu entry, I'd really appreciate it. Better yet, if > someone could please explain where I went wrong with the serial > console part, so I can do what I need to do with feedback, that would > be even better. > > I think I know why I've been so fond of lilo for so many years, it's > less complicated, or should I say less flexible to use. I have no > problem with flexibility, provided that I can get feedback on what I'm > doing. Thanks much in advance for any help. > > Greg > > > - -- > web site: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org > gpg public key: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org/pubkey.asc > skype: gregn1 > (authorization required, add me to your contacts list first) > > - -- > Free domains: http://www.eu.org/ or mail dns-manager@EU.org > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) > > iEYEARECAAYFAk1TW/sACgkQ7s9z/XlyUyCmBQCgoJOpvPj/qNTBWYtT7f/5+4un > t4wAn0GZMZ4u7utUOvwFt2GaDNbNCAoR > =dkyI > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 18+ messages in thread
* Re: please help with legacy grub ` Pia @ ` Gregory Nowak ` Littlefield, Tyler ` Kitty Litter 0 siblings, 2 replies; 18+ messages in thread From: Gregory Nowak @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Thanks for your reply. As far as I know, only grml big has speakup included, and I'm 99.9% sure that there's no way grml big will be happy with only 64 megs of ram. If grml small does in fact have speakup included, as far as using hardware synths goes, that would be a pleasant surprise. As for your comment about explaining too much, my motto is if in doubt, give more info than less. Thanks again, and a clarification on speakup in grml small from someone in the know would be appreciated, before I possibly go wasting bandwidth. Greg On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 03:19:39AM -0500, Pia wrote: > The best thing to do is get a GRML live CD. GRML talks and should work > as a live CD with your system. http://grml.org > > You can use a cheat code to start speakup and then mount /dev/sda1 or > whatever your root partition is on your hard drive and then from there > set up grub either by running grub or chrooting into the environment on > your hard drive and running grub from there. Note that it depends on > what is wrong as to whether you can get away without chrooting or not and > if you don't you also have to make sure you use the correct device names. > You can also edit /boot/grub/menu.lst and /boot/grub/device.map manually > as needed. Note that they will be under your mount point as well and so > the paths I gave will not be exactly what they will be once you boot > GRML. If I did not explain how to do this specifically enough, please > let me know, but if I was too obvious in the things I mentioned, I also > apologise. You sound like you are very competent with Linux, and so I > don't always know what I should or should not write as far as detail > goes. > > HTH, > > Pia > > On Wed, 9 Feb 2011, Gregory Nowak wrote: > >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> Hi folks, >> >> I did a minimal upgrade on my debian system from lenny to squeeze, and >> rebooted after upgrading the kernel and udev, as the squeeze release >> notes say to do. This left me with an unbootable system. No, it's not >> because I ignored the warning to boot by label or uuid. I can tell >> from the initrd shell that the piix.ko module loads, but it tells me >> that both ide ports are disabled. This leaves me without sdax, or hdax >> devices under /dev, and no disks directory under /dev. I have the >> feeling that if I took out all_ide_generic out of the kernel command >> line, things would work. My problem however is grub. >> >> Once the system boots from the drive, I press ESC. From what I >> gathered by searching the web, in order to edit the command line of >> the first menu entry, I need to type e twice, arrow to where I want to >> edit, and press ctrl+x to get out of the editor. So, after hitting >> ESC, I press e twice, arrow right 80 times which should put me at the >> end of the line, and then backspace 21 times which should erase what I >> want to erase, and I then press ctrl+x to exit. From what I >> understand, I should then be able to hit b,and boot that entry, but >> when I hit b, nothing happens. >> >> So, I tried another approach I read about. I hooked up my serial synth >> to this machine (I normally use my doubletalk pc with speakup), and >> rebooted. I pressed ESC, pressed c to get into command mode, and >> typed: >> >> serial --unit=0 --speed=9600 >> terminal_output serial >> >> but again, nothing happened. >> >> Another alternative would be to solve this from a livecd system, but >> since this machine has 64 megs of ram, I haven't yet found a modern >> livecd which would work with that much ram. >> >> So, if someone familiar with legacy grub (not grub2) could please walk >> me through, key press by key press, on what I need to do to edit and >> boot the first menu entry, I'd really appreciate it. Better yet, if >> someone could please explain where I went wrong with the serial >> console part, so I can do what I need to do with feedback, that would >> be even better. >> >> I think I know why I've been so fond of lilo for so many years, it's >> less complicated, or should I say less flexible to use. I have no >> problem with flexibility, provided that I can get feedback on what I'm >> doing. Thanks much in advance for any help. >> >> Greg >> >> >> - -- >> web site: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org >> gpg public key: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org/pubkey.asc >> skype: gregn1 >> (authorization required, add me to your contacts list first) >> >> - -- >> Free domains: http://www.eu.org/ or mail dns-manager@EU.org >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >> Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) >> >> iEYEARECAAYFAk1TW/sACgkQ7s9z/XlyUyCmBQCgoJOpvPj/qNTBWYtT7f/5+4un >> t4wAn0GZMZ4u7utUOvwFt2GaDNbNCAoR >> =dkyI >> -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >> _______________________________________________ >> Speakup mailing list >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >> > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > - -- web site: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org gpg public key: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org/pubkey.asc skype: gregn1 (authorization required, add me to your contacts list first) - -- Free domains: http://www.eu.org/ or mail dns-manager@EU.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAk1UMMQACgkQ7s9z/XlyUyDTPgCgvSieZU7qZuN/QYzZh5VN+G0B 8moAoJRzSpp4YDFXPGFU5tzd/Bo713YN =jyqr -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 18+ messages in thread
* Re: please help with legacy grub ` Gregory Nowak @ ` Littlefield, Tyler ` Gregory Nowak ` Kitty Litter 1 sibling, 1 reply; 18+ messages in thread From: Littlefield, Tyler @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. I do not think grml small or anything but the 700 mb grml disk has speakup in it from all I've read. Here's a thought though: why not grab Chris Brannon's talking arch, load it up and chroot from there? If all you need is a chroot, that would do perfectly. On 2/10/2011 11:39 AM, Gregory Nowak wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Thanks for your reply. > > As far as I know, only grml big has speakup included, and I'm 99.9% > sure that there's no way grml big will be happy with only 64 megs of > ram. If grml small does in fact have speakup included, as far as using > hardware synths goes, that would be a pleasant surprise. > > As for your comment about explaining too much, my motto is if in > doubt, give more info than less. Thanks again, and a clarification on > speakup in grml small from someone in the know would be appreciated, > before I possibly go wasting bandwidth. > > Greg > > > On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 03:19:39AM -0500, Pia wrote: >> The best thing to do is get a GRML live CD. GRML talks and should work >> as a live CD with your system. http://grml.org >> >> You can use a cheat code to start speakup and then mount /dev/sda1 or >> whatever your root partition is on your hard drive and then from there >> set up grub either by running grub or chrooting into the environment on >> your hard drive and running grub from there. Note that it depends on >> what is wrong as to whether you can get away without chrooting or not and >> if you don't you also have to make sure you use the correct device names. >> You can also edit /boot/grub/menu.lst and /boot/grub/device.map manually >> as needed. Note that they will be under your mount point as well and so >> the paths I gave will not be exactly what they will be once you boot >> GRML. If I did not explain how to do this specifically enough, please >> let me know, but if I was too obvious in the things I mentioned, I also >> apologise. You sound like you are very competent with Linux, and so I >> don't always know what I should or should not write as far as detail >> goes. >> >> HTH, >> >> Pia >> >> On Wed, 9 Feb 2011, Gregory Nowak wrote: >> >>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>> Hash: SHA1 >>> >>> Hi folks, >>> >>> I did a minimal upgrade on my debian system from lenny to squeeze, and >>> rebooted after upgrading the kernel and udev, as the squeeze release >>> notes say to do. This left me with an unbootable system. No, it's not >>> because I ignored the warning to boot by label or uuid. I can tell >>> from the initrd shell that the piix.ko module loads, but it tells me >>> that both ide ports are disabled. This leaves me without sdax, or hdax >>> devices under /dev, and no disks directory under /dev. I have the >>> feeling that if I took out all_ide_generic out of the kernel command >>> line, things would work. My problem however is grub. >>> >>> Once the system boots from the drive, I press ESC. From what I >>> gathered by searching the web, in order to edit the command line of >>> the first menu entry, I need to type e twice, arrow to where I want to >>> edit, and press ctrl+x to get out of the editor. So, after hitting >>> ESC, I press e twice, arrow right 80 times which should put me at the >>> end of the line, and then backspace 21 times which should erase what I >>> want to erase, and I then press ctrl+x to exit. From what I >>> understand, I should then be able to hit b,and boot that entry, but >>> when I hit b, nothing happens. >>> >>> So, I tried another approach I read about. I hooked up my serial synth >>> to this machine (I normally use my doubletalk pc with speakup), and >>> rebooted. I pressed ESC, pressed c to get into command mode, and >>> typed: >>> >>> serial --unit=0 --speed=9600 >>> terminal_output serial >>> >>> but again, nothing happened. >>> >>> Another alternative would be to solve this from a livecd system, but >>> since this machine has 64 megs of ram, I haven't yet found a modern >>> livecd which would work with that much ram. >>> >>> So, if someone familiar with legacy grub (not grub2) could please walk >>> me through, key press by key press, on what I need to do to edit and >>> boot the first menu entry, I'd really appreciate it. Better yet, if >>> someone could please explain where I went wrong with the serial >>> console part, so I can do what I need to do with feedback, that would >>> be even better. >>> >>> I think I know why I've been so fond of lilo for so many years, it's >>> less complicated, or should I say less flexible to use. I have no >>> problem with flexibility, provided that I can get feedback on what I'm >>> doing. Thanks much in advance for any help. >>> >>> Greg >>> >>> >>> - -- >>> web site: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org >>> gpg public key: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org/pubkey.asc >>> skype: gregn1 >>> (authorization required, add me to your contacts list first) >>> >>> - -- >>> Free domains: http://www.eu.org/ or mail dns-manager@EU.org >>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >>> Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) >>> >>> iEYEARECAAYFAk1TW/sACgkQ7s9z/XlyUyCmBQCgoJOpvPj/qNTBWYtT7f/5+4un >>> t4wAn0GZMZ4u7utUOvwFt2GaDNbNCAoR >>> =dkyI >>> -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Speakup mailing list >>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Speakup mailing list >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >> > - -- > web site: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org > gpg public key: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org/pubkey.asc > skype: gregn1 > (authorization required, add me to your contacts list first) > > - -- > Free domains: http://www.eu.org/ or mail dns-manager@EU.org > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) > > iEYEARECAAYFAk1UMMQACgkQ7s9z/XlyUyDTPgCgvSieZU7qZuN/QYzZh5VN+G0B > 8moAoJRzSpp4YDFXPGFU5tzd/Bo713YN > =jyqr > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > -- Thanks, Ty ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 18+ messages in thread
* Re: please help with legacy grub ` Littlefield, Tyler @ ` Gregory Nowak ` Chuck Hallenbeck ` (2 more replies) 0 siblings, 3 replies; 18+ messages in thread From: Gregory Nowak @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 11:40:15AM -0700, Littlefield, Tyler wrote: > Here's a thought though: why not grab > Chris Brannon's talking arch, load it up and chroot from there? If all > you need is a chroot, that would do perfectly. I assume arch would be happy with 64 megs of ram? If so, then where do I grab the iso from, and read up on how to get booted up with speakup? Thanks. Greg - -- web site: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org gpg public key: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org/pubkey.asc skype: gregn1 (authorization required, add me to your contacts list first) - -- Free domains: http://www.eu.org/ or mail dns-manager@EU.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAk1UNC8ACgkQ7s9z/XlyUyDwcwCfdfghaG1voVEzPt7wlLv7GEh9 jOUAoLJC0Z4kXws415nQcVZfVq/J4Q5b =3Fxm -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 18+ messages in thread
* Re: please help with legacy grub ` Gregory Nowak @ ` Chuck Hallenbeck ` Christopher Brannon ` Frost 2 siblings, 0 replies; 18+ messages in thread From: Chuck Hallenbeck @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Greg, Visit the-brannons.com for info and a download link to the talking archlinux installer. It uses software speech with espeakup and espeak, and beeps when the CD is ready for you to press enter. It begins talking in a little while, and eventually invites you to log into the root user without a password, from where you can do many simple chores. Not sure about the memory requirements, but I bet it would work. Chuck On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 11:53:35AM -0700, Gregory Nowak wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 11:40:15AM -0700, Littlefield, Tyler wrote: > > Here's a thought though: why not grab > > Chris Brannon's talking arch, load it up and chroot from there? If all > > you need is a chroot, that would do perfectly. > > > I assume arch would be happy with 64 megs of ram? If so, then where do > I grab the iso from, and read up on how to get booted up with > speakup? Thanks. > > Greg > > > - -- > web site: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org > gpg public key: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org/pubkey.asc > skype: gregn1 > (authorization required, add me to your contacts list first) > > - -- > Free domains: http://www.eu.org/ or mail dns-manager@EU.org > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) > > iEYEARECAAYFAk1UNC8ACgkQ7s9z/XlyUyDwcwCfdfghaG1voVEzPt7wlLv7GEh9 > jOUAoLJC0Z4kXws415nQcVZfVq/J4Q5b > =3Fxm > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup -- Chuck in Hudson. My website is hallenbeck.ftml.net, my Jabber ID is chuckh1@jabber.org ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 18+ messages in thread
* Re: please help with legacy grub ` Gregory Nowak ` Chuck Hallenbeck @ ` Christopher Brannon ` Gregory Nowak ` Frost 2 siblings, 1 reply; 18+ messages in thread From: Christopher Brannon @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Gregory Nowak <greg@romuald.net.eu.org> writes: > I assume arch would be happy with 64 megs of ram? If so, then where do > I grab the iso from, and read up on how to get booted up with > speakup? Thanks. I'm not sure about the memory requirements, either, although I suspect that it should work. However, the machine needs to have at least an i686 processor. i586 and earlier will not work. -- Chris ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 18+ messages in thread
* Re: please help with legacy grub ` Christopher Brannon @ ` Gregory Nowak 0 siblings, 0 replies; 18+ messages in thread From: Gregory Nowak @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 07:20:52PM +0000, Christopher Brannon wrote: > However, the machine needs to have at least an i686 processor. i586 and > earlier will not work. Ah, ok, that explains why it indeed does not. Let me clarify what kind of hardware I'm working with here. This is an original pentium, running at 133 MHz, with 64 megs of RAM. The name of the kernel that debian installed here ends with 486, though this is probably because I don't see any 586 images available in debian. I'm not sure how many people still use old hardware like this, though I do think that if I am, then there probably are others. What this experience has done for me so far, is to bring home the need for a modern livecd that could be used for rescuing such a system. I'll have to find time to see if something like this already exists, and see what could be done to get speakup into it, or start such a project myself. The big challenge would probably be making a small enough ramdisk, while including enough software to make such a livecd useful. Thanks to everyone who responded for your help so far, and I'm still very much open to other solutions. Greg - -- web site: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org gpg public key: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org/pubkey.asc skype: gregn1 (authorization required, add me to your contacts list first) - -- Free domains: http://www.eu.org/ or mail dns-manager@EU.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAk1UTiMACgkQ7s9z/XlyUyAIGACfax7qvGI9CH/FeFljzXXBIs+y mdgAoM8DrrsRL1H6psgEBo7WP8OTIbqU =hmd2 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 18+ messages in thread
* Re: please help with legacy grub ` Gregory Nowak ` Chuck Hallenbeck ` Christopher Brannon @ ` Frost ` Gregory Nowak 2 siblings, 1 reply; 18+ messages in thread From: Frost @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 11:53:35AM -0700, Gregory Nowak wrote: > I assume arch would be happy with 64 megs of ram? If so, then where do > I grab the iso from, and read up on how to get booted up with > speakup? Thanks. Can't you just "apt-get install lilo", purge everything grub -related, then 'apt-get install grub" and purge lilo? Michael PS: I took care of the grub problem by downloading the latest Squeeze CD and doing a scratch install on the new puter. -- Linux User: 177869 # Powered By: Intel # http://rivensight.dyndns.org Postings Copyrighted 2010-2011 by: Michael Ferranti ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 18+ messages in thread
* Re: please help with legacy grub ` Frost @ ` Gregory Nowak 0 siblings, 0 replies; 18+ messages in thread From: Gregory Nowak @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 08:38:21PM +0000, Frost wrote: > Can't you just "apt-get install lilo", purge everything grub > -related, then 'apt-get install grub" and purge lilo? No, I can't. See my first post in this thread for an explanation of why not. Greg - -- web site: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org gpg public key: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org/pubkey.asc skype: gregn1 (authorization required, add me to your contacts list first) - -- Free domains: http://www.eu.org/ or mail dns-manager@EU.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAk1UT5kACgkQ7s9z/XlyUyBCQQCg0RGBgwElfQzeVQQ90gQZHyCd FC4An2nH9EQmjgWedzjpEbcCiDBIhnrj =6xCh -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 18+ messages in thread
* Re: please help with legacy grub ` Gregory Nowak ` Littlefield, Tyler @ ` Kitty Litter ` Gregory Nowak ` Gregory Nowak 1 sibling, 2 replies; 18+ messages in thread From: Kitty Litter @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Why can't you use the ssh=password boot parameter in GRML? When you do that I think the username is grml with whatever password you gave it. I don't know if that is in all versions of GRML but if it is you should be able to do whatever you need. But my elderly brain doesn't work as well as it should any more! ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 18+ messages in thread
* Re: please help with legacy grub ` Kitty Litter @ ` Gregory Nowak ` Gregory Nowak 1 sibling, 0 replies; 18+ messages in thread From: Gregory Nowak @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 03:40:51PM -0500, Kitty Litter wrote: > Why can't you use the ssh=password boot parameter in GRML? When you do > that I think the username is grml with whatever password you gave it. I > don't know if that is in all versions of GRML but if it is you should be > able to do whatever you need. But my elderly brain doesn't work as well > as it should any more! Thanks for pointing that out, I'll grab grml small, and will give that a shot. Greg - -- web site: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org gpg public key: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org/pubkey.asc skype: gregn1 (authorization required, add me to your contacts list first) - -- Free domains: http://www.eu.org/ or mail dns-manager@EU.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAk1UUFEACgkQ7s9z/XlyUyBv/gCg3UwaoqIF/yptbjfW06ujfvit 8NwAoJnWA4rGogwosCKsiLD5IbNTkmux =BuQE -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 18+ messages in thread
* Re: please help with legacy grub ` Kitty Litter ` Gregory Nowak @ ` Gregory Nowak ` Christopher Moore 1 sibling, 1 reply; 18+ messages in thread From: Gregory Nowak @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 03:40:51PM -0500, Kitty Litter wrote: > Why can't you use the ssh=password boot parameter in GRML? When you do > that I think the username is grml with whatever password you gave it. I > don't know if that is in all versions of GRML but if it is you should be > able to do whatever you need. But my elderly brain doesn't work as well > as it should any more! Nope, no go. I downloaded grml small, checked md5sum, and burned the disk. I put it in the pentium box, and booted up. After waiting about 10 seconds once the disk started spinning, I hit tab, space, and typed swap ssh=test and hit enter. The cd kept spinning for a while, and then stopped. The pentium machine doesn't respond over ipv6, and I didn't see it trying to grab a ipv4 address from my dhcp server. When I type reboot on that box, and hit enter, nothing happens, and pressing the button on the cd-rom drive ejects the disk right away. So, that's that, either 64 megs isn't enough, or grml also doesn't support i586. Any other ideas would be much appreciated. Thanks. Greg - -- web site: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org gpg public key: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org/pubkey.asc skype: gregn1 (authorization required, add me to your contacts list first) - -- Free domains: http://www.eu.org/ or mail dns-manager@EU.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAk1Ua24ACgkQ7s9z/XlyUyB5fgCaA/QjE+KtZI3BKtUgt8AQGJF8 ZtMAoIKYpPvSGA+pDle5/xxkEGLbUdAY =AqMk -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 18+ messages in thread
* Re: please help with legacy grub ` Gregory Nowak @ ` Christopher Moore ` Gregory Nowak 0 siblings, 1 reply; 18+ messages in thread From: Christopher Moore @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Greg, Here are a couple of things you could try. First, there is a grub rescue floppy disk which should help you fix your grub problems. You might need sighted assistance to run it. I forget the name , but you can google it. Second, in the old days, we were able to copy the vmlinuz image to a floppy with dd and boot from it. Third, when grub doesn't boot successfully, you can get into a shell prompt. This allows you to use many of the normal shell commands to help determine what went wrong. In particular, you can mount devices and move/copy files. Again, you won't have speech. Finally, save yourself from further headaches and trash the machine. Chris ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 18+ messages in thread
* Re: please help with legacy grub ` Christopher Moore @ ` Gregory Nowak ` Steve Holmes ` Gregory Nowak 0 siblings, 2 replies; 18+ messages in thread From: Gregory Nowak @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Christopher and all, On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 07:57:43PM -0500, Christopher Moore wrote: > First, there is a grub rescue floppy disk which should help you fix your grub problems. You might need sighted assistance to run it. I forget the name > , but you can google it. Yes, it's called supergrub, and the need for sighted assistance is why I haven't tried it, at least not yet. > > Second, in the old days, we were able to copy the vmlinuz image to a floppy with dd and boot from it. > Yes, however, I seem to recall reading somewhere that new kernels don't support doing that anymore. Even if they do, the initrd won't fit on a floppy, and without the initrd, there's nothing that I could really do. > Third, when grub doesn't boot successfully, you can get into a shell prompt. This allows you to use many of the normal shell commands to help determine > what went wrong. In particular, you can mount devices and move/copy files. Again, you won't have speech. Yes, I've tried getting into that, like I described in my first post, but without sighted help. > > Finally, save yourself from further headaches and trash the machine. Yes, that thought has crossed my mind too, but even though software speech is all fine and good, there's still some part of me that refuses to let go of my doubletalk pc as long as it still works, and as long as I have a machine to use it in. Some might think this silly, I know. Thanks for all your ideas everyone, they're much appreciated. I have an old version of systemrescuecd lying around here somewhere, which I seem to recall works on this system. If that's correct, then hopefully it won't be too old for me to be able to chroot into the system on the hd with it. If it is, then I thought I could use it to upload the kernel, and initrd to another machine on my lan, and use isolinux to boot with them. I'll post back with whatever finally happens for the record, but since this machine isn't a priority, and since getting it bootable again looks like a somewhat complex project, that may not be soon. Thanks again. Greg - -- web site: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org gpg public key: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org/pubkey.asc skype: gregn1 (authorization required, add me to your contacts list first) - -- Free domains: http://www.eu.org/ or mail dns-manager@EU.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAk1UnvsACgkQ7s9z/XlyUyBPnQCgpK+pDwKxar/eIA5fxAuxDuwI Iy4AoIVp7RpKHjbsIO8gQvPXq6IgSpqP =O0DS -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 18+ messages in thread
* Re: please help with legacy grub ` Gregory Nowak @ ` Steve Holmes ` Glenn ` Gregory Nowak 1 sibling, 1 reply; 18+ messages in thread From: Steve Holmes @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup If this machine is that old, you might have to fall badck to something like Slackware 12.1 or before. I have a couple machines that none of the new images will boot on but I could always get this old Slackware disk to do it. I think it is 12.1 or before. if 12.1 doesn't work, then try 12.0; that will work for sure. Anything later than that would not work on either of these older machines. On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 07:29:15PM -0700, Gregory Nowak wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Christopher and all, > > > On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 07:57:43PM -0500, Christopher Moore wrote: > > First, there is a grub rescue floppy disk which should help you fix your grub problems. You might need sighted assistance to run it. I forget the name > > , but you can google it. > > Yes, it's called supergrub, and the need for sighted assistance is why > I haven't tried it, at least not yet. > > > > > Second, in the old days, we were able to copy the vmlinuz image to a floppy with dd and boot from it. > > > > Yes, however, I seem to recall reading somewhere that new kernels > don't support doing that anymore. Even if they do, the initrd won't > fit on a floppy, and without the initrd, there's nothing that I could > really do. > > > Third, when grub doesn't boot successfully, you can get into a shell prompt. This allows you to use many of the normal shell commands to help determine > > what went wrong. In particular, you can mount devices and move/copy files. Again, you won't have speech. > > Yes, I've tried getting into that, like I described in my first post, > but without sighted help. > > > > > Finally, save yourself from further headaches and trash the machine. > > Yes, that thought has crossed my mind too, but even though software > speech is all fine and good, there's still some part of me that > refuses to let go of my doubletalk pc as long as it still works, and > as long as I have a machine to use it in. Some might think this silly, > I know. > > Thanks for all your ideas everyone, they're much appreciated. I have > an old version of systemrescuecd lying around here somewhere, which I > seem to recall works on this system. If that's correct, then hopefully > it won't be too old for me to be able to chroot into the system on the > hd with it. If it is, then I thought I could use it to upload the > kernel, and initrd to another machine on my lan, and use isolinux to > boot with them. I'll post back with whatever finally happens for the > record, but since this machine isn't a priority, and since getting it > bootable again looks like a somewhat complex project, that may not be > soon. Thanks again. > > Greg > > > - -- > web site: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org > gpg public key: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org/pubkey.asc > skype: gregn1 > (authorization required, add me to your contacts list first) > > - -- > Free domains: http://www.eu.org/ or mail dns-manager@EU.org > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) > > iEYEARECAAYFAk1UnvsACgkQ7s9z/XlyUyBPnQCgpK+pDwKxar/eIA5fxAuxDuwI > Iy4AoIVp7RpKHjbsIO8gQvPXq6IgSpqP > =O0DS > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 18+ messages in thread
* Re: please help with legacy grub ` Steve Holmes @ ` Glenn 0 siblings, 0 replies; 18+ messages in thread From: Glenn @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. I sure liked that version of slackware that ran on a FAT32 partition, I think it was ZipSlack? I wish there was an up-to-date version of that available. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Holmes" <steve@holmesgrown.com> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 3:11 PM Subject: Re: please help with legacy grub If this machine is that old, you might have to fall badck to something like Slackware 12.1 or before. I have a couple machines that none of the new images will boot on but I could always get this old Slackware disk to do it. I think it is 12.1 or before. if 12.1 doesn't work, then try 12.0; that will work for sure. Anything later than that would not work on either of these older machines. On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 07:29:15PM -0700, Gregory Nowak wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Christopher and all, > > > On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 07:57:43PM -0500, Christopher Moore wrote: > > First, there is a grub rescue floppy disk which should help you fix your > > grub problems. You might need sighted assistance to run it. I forget > > the name > > , but you can google it. > > Yes, it's called supergrub, and the need for sighted assistance is why > I haven't tried it, at least not yet. > > > > > Second, in the old days, we were able to copy the vmlinuz image to a > > floppy with dd and boot from it. > > > > Yes, however, I seem to recall reading somewhere that new kernels > don't support doing that anymore. Even if they do, the initrd won't > fit on a floppy, and without the initrd, there's nothing that I could > really do. > > > Third, when grub doesn't boot successfully, you can get into a shell > > prompt. This allows you to use many of the normal shell commands to > > help determine > > what went wrong. In particular, you can mount devices and move/copy > > files. Again, you won't have speech. > > Yes, I've tried getting into that, like I described in my first post, > but without sighted help. > > > > > Finally, save yourself from further headaches and trash the machine. > > Yes, that thought has crossed my mind too, but even though software > speech is all fine and good, there's still some part of me that > refuses to let go of my doubletalk pc as long as it still works, and > as long as I have a machine to use it in. Some might think this silly, > I know. > > Thanks for all your ideas everyone, they're much appreciated. I have > an old version of systemrescuecd lying around here somewhere, which I > seem to recall works on this system. If that's correct, then hopefully > it won't be too old for me to be able to chroot into the system on the > hd with it. If it is, then I thought I could use it to upload the > kernel, and initrd to another machine on my lan, and use isolinux to > boot with them. I'll post back with whatever finally happens for the > record, but since this machine isn't a priority, and since getting it > bootable again looks like a somewhat complex project, that may not be > soon. Thanks again. > > Greg > > > - -- > web site: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org > gpg public key: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org/pubkey.asc > skype: gregn1 > (authorization required, add me to your contacts list first) > > - -- > Free domains: http://www.eu.org/ or mail dns-manager@EU.org > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) > > iEYEARECAAYFAk1UnvsACgkQ7s9z/XlyUyBPnQCgpK+pDwKxar/eIA5fxAuxDuwI > Iy4AoIVp7RpKHjbsIO8gQvPXq6IgSpqP > =O0DS > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup _______________________________________________ Speakup mailing list Speakup@braille.uwo.ca http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 18+ messages in thread
* Re: please help with legacy grub ` Gregory Nowak ` Steve Holmes @ ` Gregory Nowak 1 sibling, 0 replies; 18+ messages in thread From: Gregory Nowak @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hello all. You might recall my trying to rescue an old system with 64 megs of RAM in early February. For those who might not recall, the problem here was that I couldn't find any modern rescue livecd that would boot on a pentium 133 MHz with 64 megs of RAM. I've finally gotten around to dealing with that machine, and have ended up deciding to get rid of that old machine. As for my doubletalk pc, I've moved to a more modern box with one ISA slot. I was initially hesitant to use this machine, since I suspected it of having CPU/RAM issues. However all my testing indicates no problems, and it's been running fine so far. I think I was simply asking too much of that box in its previous role. Going back to the old box with 64 megs of RAM though, the story doesn't end here. I wanted to see if I could backup that machine, and restore it onto the new box, without pulling out drives (I have a particular reason for not wanting to pull the hd from that old box). I tried booting systemrescuecd 0.2.19 on that system, and was able to get that version booted up. I then used partition image to backup that old system's drive, and that was that. I should in theory have been able to chroot using sysresccd 0.2.19 into the install on that hd, and fix my problems from there. Thanks again to those of you who provided suggestions while I was attempting to solve this problem. Greg - -- web site: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org gpg public key: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org/pubkey.asc skype: gregn1 (authorization required, add me to your contacts list first) - -- Free domains: http://www.eu.org/ or mail dns-manager@EU.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAk2Vd5kACgkQ7s9z/XlyUyCsfgCfak2tzIoiGHpsfFE/WLi1Wl1J oKEAoIPInS/ZdOvH6aHuBTziY1IHSDYg =WGTs -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 18+ messages in thread
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