torrent client suggestions

torrent client suggestions

[Gregory Nowak]

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Hello all.

I was wondering if anyone out there could suggest a torrent
client that supports trackerless torrents, and that also supports
ipv6? Something that comes as a debian package would be best, but I
can also build from source if need be. Thanks in advance.

Greg


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Re: torrent client suggestions

[Tony Baechler]

What about the standard clients?  BitTorrent, BitTornado and CTorrent 
come to mind.  All should be Debian packages, but newer versions of 
BitTorrent might require a GUI.  I think any recent client should 
support trackerless torrents.  In Debian, look for py-bittorrent and 
py-bittornado if the standard package names don't show anything.  I 
haven't used CTorrent.  I'm not 100% sure that they support IPv6 but I 
would think so because the standard BitTorrent client supports proxies.  
Other than CTorrent, they're written in Python so you shouldn't have to 
build from source regardless.  If Debian doesn't have anything, look at 
the Gentoo ftp archive.  They seem to have older and different packages, 
not always present in Debian.

Also, how did you actually set up a user-mode-linux VM?  I looked at the 
user-mode-linux package and it looks like it's just the kernel with no 
obvious way to set up a shell or run processes under it.  I would like a 
virtual server without the hassle and resource overhead of a VM such as 
Xen.  I'm still interested in xen but it looks fairly complicated to set 
up.  All I really need is a virtual Linux server for web and email, not 
a full virtual machine.

Gregory Nowak wrote:
> I was wondering if anyone out there could suggest a torrent
> client that supports trackerless torrents, and that also supports
> ipv6? Something that comes as a debian package would be best, but I
> can also build from source if need be. Thanks in advance.
>   

RE: torrent client suggestions

[Dawes, Stephen]

Do any of the packages you mentioned support encryption?


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Fedora 11:

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What is the status of fedora 11 becoming speakup modified?

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Re: torrent client suggestions

[Gregory Nowak]

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On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 03:45:41AM -0700, Tony Baechler wrote:
> What about the standard clients?  BitTorrent, BitTornado and CTorrent  
> come to mind.

According to <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_torrent_clients>:
bittorrent 5, which wikipedia calls mainline, supports trackerless,
but doesn't support ipv6. Wikipedia also mentions a bittorrent6, which
supports both. Debian's version of bittorrent seems to be at
3.4.2. Bittornado supports ipv6, but doesn't support
trackerless. Ctorrent doesn't support ipv6, and the wikipedia page
lists a question mark under trackerless support. Before I wrote here, I
compared wikipedia's list against apt-cache search torrent in
debian. Since going through all of wikipedia's list would take a good
while, I thought I'd ask here instead, and see if someone was already
using something which he/she could recommend. Bittorrent6 looks like
the best out of that above list you gave, I'll see if I can get a hold
of it, or rather, where I could get a hold of it from.

> I think any recent client should  
> support trackerless torrents.

Yes, but there don't seem to be many that support both trackerless,
and ipv6 strangely enough.

> In Debian, look for py-bittorrent and  
> py-bittornado if the standard package names don't show anything.

Well, like I said, debian's bittorrent seems to be old, and bittornado
doesn't do trackerless, which I can actually confirm, since I did
install that before going to wikipedia, and saw no reference in the
docs for it to trackerless, nor in the docs for the program used to
generate torrents. If bittornado supported trackerless, that fact
surely would have been mentioned in the docs for the torrent file generator.

> If Debian doesn't have anything, look at  
> the Gentoo ftp archive.  They seem to have older and different packages,  
> not always present in Debian.

Thanks, I'll take a look there if I can't find this bittorrent6.

>
> Also, how did you actually set up a user-mode-linux VM?  I looked at the  
> user-mode-linux package and it looks like it's just the kernel with no  
> obvious way to set up a shell or run processes under it.  I would like a  
> virtual server without the hassle and resource overhead of a VM such as  
> Xen.  I'm still interested in xen but it looks fairly complicated to set  
> up.  All I really need is a virtual Linux server for web and email, not  
> a full virtual machine.
>

Well, uml does essentially give you a virtual machine of sorts. As for
how I set it up, in debian, grab the rootstrap package. I first setup
a uml under slackware some 7 years ago, and don't remember exactly how
I did it, but I do remember that after a lot of frustration, I did
somehow manage to make it install from the isos. Again, this was long
ago, and I don't remember how I did it, just that I finally got it
somehow installed off slackware media after a lot of playing
around. Another option is to simply install a distro of your choice in
a fully emulated vm, and umlify it by replacing the kernel/modules,
and edit files in /etc, like fstab for example. Another option is to
of course get the ready to go file systems from
user-mode-linux.sourceforge.net, but I personally like to roll my own,
so never tried those. HTH, and thanks for your torrent suggestions.

Greg


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Re: torrent client suggestions

[Trevor Astrope]

There's also rtorrent. It seems to support trackerless torrents, but I 
don't know about ipv6. Apparently there are debian packages for it.

On Wed, 20 May 2009, Gregory Nowak wrote:

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> On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 03:45:41AM -0700, Tony Baechler wrote:
>> What about the standard clients?  BitTorrent, BitTornado and CTorrent
>> come to mind.
>
> According to <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_torrent_clients>:
> bittorrent 5, which wikipedia calls mainline, supports trackerless,
> but doesn't support ipv6. Wikipedia also mentions a bittorrent6, which
> supports both. Debian's version of bittorrent seems to be at
> 3.4.2. Bittornado supports ipv6, but doesn't support
> trackerless. Ctorrent doesn't support ipv6, and the wikipedia page
> lists a question mark under trackerless support. Before I wrote here, I
> compared wikipedia's list against apt-cache search torrent in
> debian. Since going through all of wikipedia's list would take a good
> while, I thought I'd ask here instead, and see if someone was already
> using something which he/she could recommend. Bittorrent6 looks like
> the best out of that above list you gave, I'll see if I can get a hold
> of it, or rather, where I could get a hold of it from.
>
>> I think any recent client should
>> support trackerless torrents.
>
> Yes, but there don't seem to be many that support both trackerless,
> and ipv6 strangely enough.
>
>> In Debian, look for py-bittorrent and
>> py-bittornado if the standard package names don't show anything.
>
> Well, like I said, debian's bittorrent seems to be old, and bittornado
> doesn't do trackerless, which I can actually confirm, since I did
> install that before going to wikipedia, and saw no reference in the
> docs for it to trackerless, nor in the docs for the program used to
> generate torrents. If bittornado supported trackerless, that fact
> surely would have been mentioned in the docs for the torrent file generator.
>
>> If Debian doesn't have anything, look at
>> the Gentoo ftp archive.  They seem to have older and different packages,
>> not always present in Debian.
>
> Thanks, I'll take a look there if I can't find this bittorrent6.
>
>>
>> Also, how did you actually set up a user-mode-linux VM?  I looked at the
>> user-mode-linux package and it looks like it's just the kernel with no
>> obvious way to set up a shell or run processes under it.  I would like a
>> virtual server without the hassle and resource overhead of a VM such as
>> Xen.  I'm still interested in xen but it looks fairly complicated to set
>> up.  All I really need is a virtual Linux server for web and email, not
>> a full virtual machine.
>>
>
> Well, uml does essentially give you a virtual machine of sorts. As for
> how I set it up, in debian, grab the rootstrap package. I first setup
> a uml under slackware some 7 years ago, and don't remember exactly how
> I did it, but I do remember that after a lot of frustration, I did
> somehow manage to make it install from the isos. Again, this was long
> ago, and I don't remember how I did it, just that I finally got it
> somehow installed off slackware media after a lot of playing
> around. Another option is to simply install a distro of your choice in
> a fully emulated vm, and umlify it by replacing the kernel/modules,
> and edit files in /etc, like fstab for example. Another option is to
> of course get the ready to go file systems from
> user-mode-linux.sourceforge.net, but I personally like to roll my own,
> so never tried those. HTH, and thanks for your torrent suggestions.
>
> Greg
>
>
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Re: torrent client suggestions

[Gregory Nowak]

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Thanks, but unfortunately, rtorrent doesn't support ipv6, wikipedia's
list of torrent clients has a link to the ticket in rtorrent's bug
tracker requesting that feature. I've found bittorrent6, which is
actually on the bittorrent.com sight. However, version 6 seems to be
available for windows only, if there's a tarball somewhere, I
certainly didn't see it. Why someone would develop 5 versions
cross-platform, and develop version 6 for only 1 os, I don't know, the
logic behind that escapes me. If they were charging for v6, I'd
understand, though I wouldn't agree with it, but since they don't seem
to be charging for version 6 ...

I'm currently looking at aria2. It seems to support both trackerless
torrents, and ipv6. I'll see if I'm ok with how it works I guess.

Greg


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Re: torrent client suggestions

[Tony Baechler]

Yes, at least indirectly.  You would have to install tor and use it as a 
proxy.  I know for sure that the standard py-bittorrent supports 
proxies, so it should work.  I don't think torrents themselves or the 
BitTorrent protocol support encryption though.

Dawes, Stephen wrote:
> Do any of the packages you mentioned support encryption?
>   

RE: torrent client suggestions

[Dawes, Stephen]

Yes, there are versions of the torrent client for Windows that fully
support encryption. 

Steve


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Re: torrent client suggestions

[Tony Baechler]

Hi,

I'm an idiot!  I totally forgot about aria2.  Yes, it's a great download 
manager and it's very fast.  It supports downloading from multiple http 
sites and multiple connections to one server.  I haven't tried it for 
torrents but I'm sure it will work very well.  the only thing I don't 
like is that it doesn't preserve time stamps of downloaded files like 
wget does.  It also supports metalink, a fairly obscure protocol which 
allows downloading from many mirrors at once and gets very fast speeds.

The reason why I suggested the Gentoo archives is that I also had 
problems with finding a client but it was on Cygwin.  The version of 
Python was old and I didn't feel like upgrading.  I noticed that Gentoo 
seemed to have a lot more and newer versions than Debian.  I'm not sure 
why Debian never upgraded the BitTorrent client.  I do remember 
something about them going Windows only and attempting to charge.  Some 
pro-Windows company gave them some large amount of money to work with, 
apparently on the condition that they would abandon other operating 
systems.  Look at Slashdot or one of the tech news sites for more 
details, but I do remember something about a million dollar grant for 
development.

Gregory Nowak wrote:
> I'm currently looking at aria2. It seems to support both trackerless
> torrents, and ipv6. I'll see if I'm ok with how it works I guess.
>   

Re: torrent client suggestions

[Hart Larry]

Well, thanks Greg, I had forgotten about rtorrent, however, I thought there was 
a way to run as a wild-card, so for example, I can process all the torrents 
which begin with rockabilly
Hart

Re: torrent client suggestions

[Gregory Nowak]

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Ok, I tried aria2. It is a debian package, supports trackerless
torrents, and ipv6, so I shouldn't complain, I got everything I asked
for, but there are a few things I don't like about it:

1. It doesn't come with a tracker. That's ok, since i can use the one
   that comes with bittorrent.

2. It doesn't come with a utility to create torrents, which is also
   ok, since I can use one from other torrent clients.

3. This is the biggy, the output is horrible. That's something I also
   didn't like about the original bittorrent's btdownloadheadless.py,
   or btlaunchmany-console.py. The thing with the original bittorrent
   client though, is that you can set the interval how often that info
   is refreshed, so if you set that value high enough, you can review
   the screen, and have an idea of what's happening before the next
   screen refresh. As far as I can tell, aria2 has no such setting. I
   tried to use aria2's logging features to get such info in a log
   file, but log-level info gives way too much info, and all that
   log-level notice gave me so far, is the info that integrity check
   passed without problems. I suppose I could set
   /sys/module/speakup/parameters/no_interrupt to 1, review the
   screen, and then set no_interrupt back to 0, I'll have to see how
   that works for me.

Out of the hand full of clients I installed and looked at thus far,
transmission seems to be the nicest, it's a shame though that it
doesn't come with a tracker, and doesn't support trackerless
torrents. Ok, complaining over.

Greg


On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 10:08:22AM -0700, Tony Baechler wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I'm an idiot!  I totally forgot about aria2.  Yes, it's a great download  
> manager and it's very fast.  It supports downloading from multiple http  
> sites and multiple connections to one server.  I haven't tried it for  
> torrents but I'm sure it will work very well.  the only thing I don't  
> like is that it doesn't preserve time stamps of downloaded files like  
> wget does.  It also supports metalink, a fairly obscure protocol which  
> allows downloading from many mirrors at once and gets very fast speeds.
>
> The reason why I suggested the Gentoo archives is that I also had  
> problems with finding a client but it was on Cygwin.  The version of  
> Python was old and I didn't feel like upgrading.  I noticed that Gentoo  
> seemed to have a lot more and newer versions than Debian.  I'm not sure  
> why Debian never upgraded the BitTorrent client.  I do remember  
> something about them going Windows only and attempting to charge.  Some  
> pro-Windows company gave them some large amount of money to work with,  
> apparently on the condition that they would abandon other operating  
> systems.  Look at Slashdot or one of the tech news sites for more  
> details, but I do remember something about a million dollar grant for  
> development.
>


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