* torrent client suggestions @ Gregory Nowak ` Tony Baechler 0 siblings, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread From: Gregory Nowak @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hello all. I was wondering if anyone out there could suggest a torrent client that supports trackerless torrents, and that also supports ipv6? Something that comes as a debian package would be best, but I can also build from source if need be. Thanks in advance. Greg - -- web site: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org gpg public key: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org/pubkey.asc skype: gregn1 (authorization required, add me to your contacts list first) - -- Free domains: http://www.eu.org/ or mail dns-manager@EU.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkoTxiQACgkQ7s9z/XlyUyAZzwCfR209el/A5LMbFZUBcvQxvRcr d+sAn22DfzpUtyChHi38DL02Vw+ntkul =PWMl -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: torrent client suggestions torrent client suggestions Gregory Nowak @ ` Tony Baechler ` Dawes, Stephen ` (2 more replies) 0 siblings, 3 replies; 12+ messages in thread From: Tony Baechler @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. What about the standard clients? BitTorrent, BitTornado and CTorrent come to mind. All should be Debian packages, but newer versions of BitTorrent might require a GUI. I think any recent client should support trackerless torrents. In Debian, look for py-bittorrent and py-bittornado if the standard package names don't show anything. I haven't used CTorrent. I'm not 100% sure that they support IPv6 but I would think so because the standard BitTorrent client supports proxies. Other than CTorrent, they're written in Python so you shouldn't have to build from source regardless. If Debian doesn't have anything, look at the Gentoo ftp archive. They seem to have older and different packages, not always present in Debian. Also, how did you actually set up a user-mode-linux VM? I looked at the user-mode-linux package and it looks like it's just the kernel with no obvious way to set up a shell or run processes under it. I would like a virtual server without the hassle and resource overhead of a VM such as Xen. I'm still interested in xen but it looks fairly complicated to set up. All I really need is a virtual Linux server for web and email, not a full virtual machine. Gregory Nowak wrote: > I was wondering if anyone out there could suggest a torrent > client that supports trackerless torrents, and that also supports > ipv6? Something that comes as a debian package would be best, but I > can also build from source if need be. Thanks in advance. > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* RE: torrent client suggestions ` Tony Baechler @ ` Dawes, Stephen ` Tony Baechler ` Fedora 11: Dawes, Stephen ` torrent client suggestions Gregory Nowak 2 siblings, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread From: Dawes, Stephen @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Do any of the packages you mentioned support encryption? Steve Dawes Email: sdawes@calgary.ca NOTICE - This communication is intended ONLY for the use of the person or entity named above and may contain information that is confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient named above or a person responsible for delivering messages or communications to the intended recipient, YOU ARE HEREBY NOTIFIED that any use, distribution, or copying of this communication or any of the information contained in it is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by telephone and then destroy or delete this communication, or return it to us by mail if requested by us. The City of Calgary thanks you for your attention and co-operation. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: torrent client suggestions ` Dawes, Stephen @ ` Tony Baechler ` Dawes, Stephen 0 siblings, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread From: Tony Baechler @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Yes, at least indirectly. You would have to install tor and use it as a proxy. I know for sure that the standard py-bittorrent supports proxies, so it should work. I don't think torrents themselves or the BitTorrent protocol support encryption though. Dawes, Stephen wrote: > Do any of the packages you mentioned support encryption? > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* RE: torrent client suggestions ` Tony Baechler @ ` Dawes, Stephen 0 siblings, 0 replies; 12+ messages in thread From: Dawes, Stephen @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Yes, there are versions of the torrent client for Windows that fully support encryption. Steve NOTICE - This communication is intended ONLY for the use of the person or entity named above and may contain information that is confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient named above or a person responsible for delivering messages or communications to the intended recipient, YOU ARE HEREBY NOTIFIED that any use, distribution, or copying of this communication or any of the information contained in it is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by telephone and then destroy or delete this communication, or return it to us by mail if requested by us. The City of Calgary thanks you for your attention and co-operation. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Fedora 11: ` Tony Baechler ` Dawes, Stephen @ ` Dawes, Stephen ` torrent client suggestions Gregory Nowak 2 siblings, 0 replies; 12+ messages in thread From: Dawes, Stephen @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. What is the status of fedora 11 becoming speakup modified? Steve. NOTICE - This communication is intended ONLY for the use of the person or entity named above and may contain information that is confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient named above or a person responsible for delivering messages or communications to the intended recipient, YOU ARE HEREBY NOTIFIED that any use, distribution, or copying of this communication or any of the information contained in it is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by telephone and then destroy or delete this communication, or return it to us by mail if requested by us. The City of Calgary thanks you for your attention and co-operation. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: torrent client suggestions ` Tony Baechler ` Dawes, Stephen ` Fedora 11: Dawes, Stephen @ ` Gregory Nowak ` Trevor Astrope 2 siblings, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread From: Gregory Nowak @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 03:45:41AM -0700, Tony Baechler wrote: > What about the standard clients? BitTorrent, BitTornado and CTorrent > come to mind. According to <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_torrent_clients>: bittorrent 5, which wikipedia calls mainline, supports trackerless, but doesn't support ipv6. Wikipedia also mentions a bittorrent6, which supports both. Debian's version of bittorrent seems to be at 3.4.2. Bittornado supports ipv6, but doesn't support trackerless. Ctorrent doesn't support ipv6, and the wikipedia page lists a question mark under trackerless support. Before I wrote here, I compared wikipedia's list against apt-cache search torrent in debian. Since going through all of wikipedia's list would take a good while, I thought I'd ask here instead, and see if someone was already using something which he/she could recommend. Bittorrent6 looks like the best out of that above list you gave, I'll see if I can get a hold of it, or rather, where I could get a hold of it from. > I think any recent client should > support trackerless torrents. Yes, but there don't seem to be many that support both trackerless, and ipv6 strangely enough. > In Debian, look for py-bittorrent and > py-bittornado if the standard package names don't show anything. Well, like I said, debian's bittorrent seems to be old, and bittornado doesn't do trackerless, which I can actually confirm, since I did install that before going to wikipedia, and saw no reference in the docs for it to trackerless, nor in the docs for the program used to generate torrents. If bittornado supported trackerless, that fact surely would have been mentioned in the docs for the torrent file generator. > If Debian doesn't have anything, look at > the Gentoo ftp archive. They seem to have older and different packages, > not always present in Debian. Thanks, I'll take a look there if I can't find this bittorrent6. > > Also, how did you actually set up a user-mode-linux VM? I looked at the > user-mode-linux package and it looks like it's just the kernel with no > obvious way to set up a shell or run processes under it. I would like a > virtual server without the hassle and resource overhead of a VM such as > Xen. I'm still interested in xen but it looks fairly complicated to set > up. All I really need is a virtual Linux server for web and email, not > a full virtual machine. > Well, uml does essentially give you a virtual machine of sorts. As for how I set it up, in debian, grab the rootstrap package. I first setup a uml under slackware some 7 years ago, and don't remember exactly how I did it, but I do remember that after a lot of frustration, I did somehow manage to make it install from the isos. Again, this was long ago, and I don't remember how I did it, just that I finally got it somehow installed off slackware media after a lot of playing around. Another option is to simply install a distro of your choice in a fully emulated vm, and umlify it by replacing the kernel/modules, and edit files in /etc, like fstab for example. Another option is to of course get the ready to go file systems from user-mode-linux.sourceforge.net, but I personally like to roll my own, so never tried those. HTH, and thanks for your torrent suggestions. Greg - -- web site: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org gpg public key: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org/pubkey.asc skype: gregn1 (authorization required, add me to your contacts list first) - -- Free domains: http://www.eu.org/ or mail dns-manager@EU.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkoUZRYACgkQ7s9z/XlyUyAM6gCglTycupMlI3iJ94yTb9bybvPs PwMAoL0U4m1gx/A9XQEP+jZdZ4vkHs12 =xsBW -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: torrent client suggestions ` torrent client suggestions Gregory Nowak @ ` Trevor Astrope ` Gregory Nowak 0 siblings, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread From: Trevor Astrope @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. There's also rtorrent. It seems to support trackerless torrents, but I don't know about ipv6. Apparently there are debian packages for it. On Wed, 20 May 2009, Gregory Nowak wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 03:45:41AM -0700, Tony Baechler wrote: >> What about the standard clients? BitTorrent, BitTornado and CTorrent >> come to mind. > > According to <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_torrent_clients>: > bittorrent 5, which wikipedia calls mainline, supports trackerless, > but doesn't support ipv6. Wikipedia also mentions a bittorrent6, which > supports both. Debian's version of bittorrent seems to be at > 3.4.2. Bittornado supports ipv6, but doesn't support > trackerless. Ctorrent doesn't support ipv6, and the wikipedia page > lists a question mark under trackerless support. Before I wrote here, I > compared wikipedia's list against apt-cache search torrent in > debian. Since going through all of wikipedia's list would take a good > while, I thought I'd ask here instead, and see if someone was already > using something which he/she could recommend. Bittorrent6 looks like > the best out of that above list you gave, I'll see if I can get a hold > of it, or rather, where I could get a hold of it from. > >> I think any recent client should >> support trackerless torrents. > > Yes, but there don't seem to be many that support both trackerless, > and ipv6 strangely enough. > >> In Debian, look for py-bittorrent and >> py-bittornado if the standard package names don't show anything. > > Well, like I said, debian's bittorrent seems to be old, and bittornado > doesn't do trackerless, which I can actually confirm, since I did > install that before going to wikipedia, and saw no reference in the > docs for it to trackerless, nor in the docs for the program used to > generate torrents. If bittornado supported trackerless, that fact > surely would have been mentioned in the docs for the torrent file generator. > >> If Debian doesn't have anything, look at >> the Gentoo ftp archive. They seem to have older and different packages, >> not always present in Debian. > > Thanks, I'll take a look there if I can't find this bittorrent6. > >> >> Also, how did you actually set up a user-mode-linux VM? I looked at the >> user-mode-linux package and it looks like it's just the kernel with no >> obvious way to set up a shell or run processes under it. I would like a >> virtual server without the hassle and resource overhead of a VM such as >> Xen. I'm still interested in xen but it looks fairly complicated to set >> up. All I really need is a virtual Linux server for web and email, not >> a full virtual machine. >> > > Well, uml does essentially give you a virtual machine of sorts. As for > how I set it up, in debian, grab the rootstrap package. I first setup > a uml under slackware some 7 years ago, and don't remember exactly how > I did it, but I do remember that after a lot of frustration, I did > somehow manage to make it install from the isos. Again, this was long > ago, and I don't remember how I did it, just that I finally got it > somehow installed off slackware media after a lot of playing > around. Another option is to simply install a distro of your choice in > a fully emulated vm, and umlify it by replacing the kernel/modules, > and edit files in /etc, like fstab for example. Another option is to > of course get the ready to go file systems from > user-mode-linux.sourceforge.net, but I personally like to roll my own, > so never tried those. HTH, and thanks for your torrent suggestions. > > Greg > > > - -- > web site: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org > gpg public key: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org/pubkey.asc > skype: gregn1 > (authorization required, add me to your contacts list first) > > - -- > Free domains: http://www.eu.org/ or mail dns-manager@EU.org > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) > > iEYEARECAAYFAkoUZRYACgkQ7s9z/XlyUyAM6gCglTycupMlI3iJ94yTb9bybvPs > PwMAoL0U4m1gx/A9XQEP+jZdZ4vkHs12 > =xsBW > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: torrent client suggestions ` Trevor Astrope @ ` Gregory Nowak ` Tony Baechler 0 siblings, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread From: Gregory Nowak @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Thanks, but unfortunately, rtorrent doesn't support ipv6, wikipedia's list of torrent clients has a link to the ticket in rtorrent's bug tracker requesting that feature. I've found bittorrent6, which is actually on the bittorrent.com sight. However, version 6 seems to be available for windows only, if there's a tarball somewhere, I certainly didn't see it. Why someone would develop 5 versions cross-platform, and develop version 6 for only 1 os, I don't know, the logic behind that escapes me. If they were charging for v6, I'd understand, though I wouldn't agree with it, but since they don't seem to be charging for version 6 ... I'm currently looking at aria2. It seems to support both trackerless torrents, and ipv6. I'll see if I'm ok with how it works I guess. Greg - -- web site: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org gpg public key: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org/pubkey.asc skype: gregn1 (authorization required, add me to your contacts list first) - -- Free domains: http://www.eu.org/ or mail dns-manager@EU.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkoUosIACgkQ7s9z/XlyUyCvPACgkE9SnqqvyfxaBxOgzAOZYk5q 9oUAoNeqU+TO2gnonVSzF2ANLxTy0yu6 =nNWn -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: torrent client suggestions ` Gregory Nowak @ ` Tony Baechler ` Hart Larry ` Gregory Nowak 0 siblings, 2 replies; 12+ messages in thread From: Tony Baechler @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Hi, I'm an idiot! I totally forgot about aria2. Yes, it's a great download manager and it's very fast. It supports downloading from multiple http sites and multiple connections to one server. I haven't tried it for torrents but I'm sure it will work very well. the only thing I don't like is that it doesn't preserve time stamps of downloaded files like wget does. It also supports metalink, a fairly obscure protocol which allows downloading from many mirrors at once and gets very fast speeds. The reason why I suggested the Gentoo archives is that I also had problems with finding a client but it was on Cygwin. The version of Python was old and I didn't feel like upgrading. I noticed that Gentoo seemed to have a lot more and newer versions than Debian. I'm not sure why Debian never upgraded the BitTorrent client. I do remember something about them going Windows only and attempting to charge. Some pro-Windows company gave them some large amount of money to work with, apparently on the condition that they would abandon other operating systems. Look at Slashdot or one of the tech news sites for more details, but I do remember something about a million dollar grant for development. Gregory Nowak wrote: > I'm currently looking at aria2. It seems to support both trackerless > torrents, and ipv6. I'll see if I'm ok with how it works I guess. > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: torrent client suggestions ` Tony Baechler @ ` Hart Larry ` Gregory Nowak 1 sibling, 0 replies; 12+ messages in thread From: Hart Larry @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Well, thanks Greg, I had forgotten about rtorrent, however, I thought there was a way to run as a wild-card, so for example, I can process all the torrents which begin with rockabilly Hart ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: torrent client suggestions ` Tony Baechler ` Hart Larry @ ` Gregory Nowak 1 sibling, 0 replies; 12+ messages in thread From: Gregory Nowak @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Ok, I tried aria2. It is a debian package, supports trackerless torrents, and ipv6, so I shouldn't complain, I got everything I asked for, but there are a few things I don't like about it: 1. It doesn't come with a tracker. That's ok, since i can use the one that comes with bittorrent. 2. It doesn't come with a utility to create torrents, which is also ok, since I can use one from other torrent clients. 3. This is the biggy, the output is horrible. That's something I also didn't like about the original bittorrent's btdownloadheadless.py, or btlaunchmany-console.py. The thing with the original bittorrent client though, is that you can set the interval how often that info is refreshed, so if you set that value high enough, you can review the screen, and have an idea of what's happening before the next screen refresh. As far as I can tell, aria2 has no such setting. I tried to use aria2's logging features to get such info in a log file, but log-level info gives way too much info, and all that log-level notice gave me so far, is the info that integrity check passed without problems. I suppose I could set /sys/module/speakup/parameters/no_interrupt to 1, review the screen, and then set no_interrupt back to 0, I'll have to see how that works for me. Out of the hand full of clients I installed and looked at thus far, transmission seems to be the nicest, it's a shame though that it doesn't come with a tracker, and doesn't support trackerless torrents. Ok, complaining over. Greg On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 10:08:22AM -0700, Tony Baechler wrote: > Hi, > > I'm an idiot! I totally forgot about aria2. Yes, it's a great download > manager and it's very fast. It supports downloading from multiple http > sites and multiple connections to one server. I haven't tried it for > torrents but I'm sure it will work very well. the only thing I don't > like is that it doesn't preserve time stamps of downloaded files like > wget does. It also supports metalink, a fairly obscure protocol which > allows downloading from many mirrors at once and gets very fast speeds. > > The reason why I suggested the Gentoo archives is that I also had > problems with finding a client but it was on Cygwin. The version of > Python was old and I didn't feel like upgrading. I noticed that Gentoo > seemed to have a lot more and newer versions than Debian. I'm not sure > why Debian never upgraded the BitTorrent client. I do remember > something about them going Windows only and attempting to charge. Some > pro-Windows company gave them some large amount of money to work with, > apparently on the condition that they would abandon other operating > systems. Look at Slashdot or one of the tech news sites for more > details, but I do remember something about a million dollar grant for > development. > - -- web site: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org gpg public key: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org/pubkey.asc skype: gregn1 (authorization required, add me to your contacts list first) - -- Free domains: http://www.eu.org/ or mail dns-manager@EU.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkoVoscACgkQ7s9z/XlyUyBSqACfXZe+u/bKwx0QNC+EWr7MXPnz 7y0AoJdKvO/e6BSC7nWeRi02sn23ILDD =r6Hr -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
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