* speakup is nice
@ John G. Heim
` Trevor Astrope
` (5 more replies)
0 siblings, 6 replies; 66+ messages in thread
From: John G. Heim @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
I think it's not said often enough. Speakup is really, really nice. Lets
face it, when the chips are down, you always fall back on speakup don't you?
I know I do. The accessible debian install,er, talking grml CD, plus several
a talking Windows installer I built myself. They all depend on speakup.
Speakup is like that old PC you have that always works even when that new
flashiy one is on the fritz again.You know what I mean? You've got your
flashy new laptop or whatever but in an emergency, don't you want your old
one running speakup? Say your network is down and you need to make a serial
port connection. What do you want? I want speakup. When a machine won't
boot, you put in your grml CD with speakup don't you? If I'm in a panic, I
always just want something with speakup.
--
John G. Heim
jheim@math.wisc.edu 3-4189
http://www.math.wisc.edu/~jheim/
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 66+ messages in thread* Re: speakup is nice speakup is nice John G. Heim @ ` Trevor Astrope ` James Homuth ` Tyler Littlefield ` (4 subsequent siblings) 5 siblings, 1 reply; 66+ messages in thread From: Trevor Astrope @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Yep. I've tried orca and even bought a mac. The only time I use them is for online banking and sites where links doesn't work. Otherwise, speakup is my goto screen reader. I agree that we don't say enough just how great and liberating it is! On Tue, 13 Jan 2009, John G. Heim wrote: > I think it's not said often enough. Speakup is really, really nice. Lets face > it, when the chips are down, you always fall back on speakup don't you? I > know I do. The accessible debian install,er, talking grml CD, plus several a > talking Windows installer I built myself. They all depend on speakup. Speakup > is like that old PC you have that always works even when that new flashiy one > is on the fritz again.You know what I mean? You've got your flashy new laptop > or whatever but in an emergency, don't you want your old one running speakup? > Say your network is down and you need to make a serial port connection. What > do you want? I want speakup. When a machine won't boot, you put in your grml > CD with speakup don't you? If I'm in a panic, I always just want something > with speakup. > > -- > John G. Heim > jheim@math.wisc.edu 3-4189 > http://www.math.wisc.edu/~jheim/ > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 66+ messages in thread
* RE: speakup is nice ` Trevor Astrope @ ` James Homuth ` Tyler Littlefield ` (2 more replies) 0 siblings, 3 replies; 66+ messages in thread From: James Homuth @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: 'Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.' My only knock against Speakup is it's strictly command line based. If I'm sitting in front of a linux desktop, I want to be able to use a lot of the actual desktop applications. Certain IM clients, for example. Plus, my limited money for hardware means I can't wander out and get my hands on a speech synth. Otherwise, when I install linux on my laptop in the next month or so I'd go with Speakup over Orca. -----Original Message----- From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca] On Behalf Of Trevor Astrope Sent: January 13, 2009 12:07 PM To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Subject: Re: speakup is nice Yep. I've tried orca and even bought a mac. The only time I use them is for online banking and sites where links doesn't work. Otherwise, speakup is my goto screen reader. I agree that we don't say enough just how great and liberating it is! On Tue, 13 Jan 2009, John G. Heim wrote: > I think it's not said often enough. Speakup is really, really nice. > Lets face it, when the chips are down, you always fall back on speakup > don't you? I know I do. The accessible debian install,er, talking grml > CD, plus several a talking Windows installer I built myself. They all > depend on speakup. Speakup is like that old PC you have that always > works even when that new flashiy one is on the fritz again.You know > what I mean? You've got your flashy new laptop or whatever but in an emergency, don't you want your old one running speakup? > Say your network is down and you need to make a serial port > connection. What do you want? I want speakup. When a machine won't > boot, you put in your grml CD with speakup don't you? If I'm in a > panic, I always just want something with speakup. > > -- > John G. Heim > jheim@math.wisc.edu 3-4189 > http://www.math.wisc.edu/~jheim/ > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > _______________________________________________ Speakup mailing list Speakup@braille.uwo.ca http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 66+ messages in thread
* Re: speakup is nice ` James Homuth @ ` Tyler Littlefield ` John covici ` Michael Whapples ` Janina Sajka 2 siblings, 1 reply; 66+ messages in thread From: Tyler Littlefield @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. yeah, the speech synth is a big minus for me. I've been searching for one, but they want 300 and up for a decent one. Thanks, Tyler Littlefield http://tysdomain.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Homuth" <james@the-jdh.com> To: "'Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.'" <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 11:00 AM Subject: RE: speakup is nice > My only knock against Speakup is it's strictly command line based. If I'm > sitting in front of a linux desktop, I want to be able to use a lot of the > actual desktop applications. Certain IM clients, for example. Plus, my > limited money for hardware means I can't wander out and get my hands on a > speech synth. Otherwise, when I install linux on my laptop in the next > month > or so I'd go with Speakup over Orca. > > -----Original Message----- > From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca > [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca] > On Behalf Of Trevor Astrope > Sent: January 13, 2009 12:07 PM > To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. > Subject: Re: speakup is nice > > Yep. I've tried orca and even bought a mac. The only time I use them is > for > online banking and sites where links doesn't work. Otherwise, speakup is > my > goto screen reader. > > I agree that we don't say enough just how great and liberating it is! > > On Tue, 13 Jan 2009, John G. Heim wrote: > >> I think it's not said often enough. Speakup is really, really nice. >> Lets face it, when the chips are down, you always fall back on speakup >> don't you? I know I do. The accessible debian install,er, talking grml >> CD, plus several a talking Windows installer I built myself. They all >> depend on speakup. Speakup is like that old PC you have that always >> works even when that new flashiy one is on the fritz again.You know >> what I mean? You've got your flashy new laptop or whatever but in an > emergency, don't you want your old one running speakup? >> Say your network is down and you need to make a serial port >> connection. What do you want? I want speakup. When a machine won't >> boot, you put in your grml CD with speakup don't you? If I'm in a >> panic, I always just want something with speakup. >> >> -- >> John G. Heim >> jheim@math.wisc.edu 3-4189 >> http://www.math.wisc.edu/~jheim/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Speakup mailing list >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >> > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > __________ NOD32 3760 (20090112) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 66+ messages in thread
* Re: speakup is nice ` Tyler Littlefield @ ` John covici 0 siblings, 0 replies; 66+ messages in thread From: John covici @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. I agree with all those people -- would not be without speakup! I can't even get gnome to work right now. -- Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: How do you spend it? John Covici covici@ccs.covici.com ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 66+ messages in thread
* Re: RE: speakup is nice ` James Homuth ` Tyler Littlefield @ ` Michael Whapples ` GRML is cool, but having problem al Sten-Clanton ` RE: speakup is nice Tyler Littlefield ` Janina Sajka 2 siblings, 2 replies; 66+ messages in thread From: Michael Whapples @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. If a hardware synth is a problem then look at GRML (www.grml.org) as that comes with speakup and everything to run software speech on the CD. GRML allows a fully accessible (with speakup and software speech output) install of GRML or debian to the hard drive and this is how I installed linux on my laptop. I too would like to add how speakup has been so useful to me (helping me get out of situations I could not have solved with other screen readers) and it probably will continue to be useful. Also I am glad that GRML exists, allowing me a fully portable distribution where I don't need to carry round a hardware synth. Michael Whapples On 23/12/42 20:59, James Homuth wrote: > My only knock against Speakup is it's strictly command line based. If I'm > sitting in front of a linux desktop, I want to be able to use a lot of the > actual desktop applications. Certain IM clients, for example. Plus, my > limited money for hardware means I can't wander out and get my hands on a > speech synth. Otherwise, when I install linux on my laptop in the next month > or so I'd go with Speakup over Orca. > > -----Original Message----- > From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca] > On Behalf Of Trevor Astrope > Sent: January 13, 2009 12:07 PM > To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. > Subject: Re: speakup is nice > > Yep. I've tried orca and even bought a mac. The only time I use them is for > online banking and sites where links doesn't work. Otherwise, speakup is my > goto screen reader. > > I agree that we don't say enough just how great and liberating it is! > > On Tue, 13 Jan 2009, John G. Heim wrote: > > >> I think it's not said often enough. Speakup is really, really nice. >> Lets face it, when the chips are down, you always fall back on speakup >> don't you? I know I do. The accessible debian install,er, talking grml >> CD, plus several a talking Windows installer I built myself. They all >> depend on speakup. Speakup is like that old PC you have that always >> works even when that new flashiy one is on the fritz again.You know >> what I mean? You've got your flashy new laptop or whatever but in an >> > emergency, don't you want your old one running speakup? > >> Say your network is down and you need to make a serial port >> connection. What do you want? I want speakup. When a machine won't >> boot, you put in your grml CD with speakup don't you? If I'm in a >> panic, I always just want something with speakup. >> >> -- >> John G. Heim >> jheim@math.wisc.edu 3-4189 >> http://www.math.wisc.edu/~jheim/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Speakup mailing list >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 66+ messages in thread
* GRML is cool, but having problem ` Michael Whapples @ ` al Sten-Clanton ` Janina Sajka ` RE: speakup is nice Tyler Littlefield 1 sibling, 1 reply; 66+ messages in thread From: al Sten-Clanton @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: 'Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.' GRML has been my good buddy in moments of great trouble for a while, now. One thing I haven't been able to do so far with the latest version, however, is get it to boot up with my TripleTalk LT. The command that used to work just doesn't, even when I replace the underscore with the period in "speakup_synth=". I think this was mentioned here before, but don't think anybody mentioned doing something different that worked. Any suggestions? Thanks! Al -----Original Message----- From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca] On Behalf Of Michael Whapples Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 2:01 PM To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Subject: Re: RE: speakup is nice If a hardware synth is a problem then look at GRML (www.grml.org) as that comes with speakup and everything to run software speech on the CD. GRML allows a fully accessible (with speakup and software speech output) install of GRML or debian to the hard drive and this is how I installed linux on my laptop. I too would like to add how speakup has been so useful to me (helping me get out of situations I could not have solved with other screen readers) and it probably will continue to be useful. Also I am glad that GRML exists, allowing me a fully portable distribution where I don't need to carry round a hardware synth. Michael Whapples On 23/12/42 20:59, James Homuth wrote: > My only knock against Speakup is it's strictly command line based. If > I'm sitting in front of a linux desktop, I want to be able to use a > lot of the actual desktop applications. Certain IM clients, for > example. Plus, my limited money for hardware means I can't wander out > and get my hands on a speech synth. Otherwise, when I install linux on > my laptop in the next month or so I'd go with Speakup over Orca. > > -----Original Message----- > From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca > [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca] > On Behalf Of Trevor Astrope > Sent: January 13, 2009 12:07 PM > To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. > Subject: Re: speakup is nice > > Yep. I've tried orca and even bought a mac. The only time I use them > is for online banking and sites where links doesn't work. Otherwise, > speakup is my goto screen reader. > > I agree that we don't say enough just how great and liberating it is! > > On Tue, 13 Jan 2009, John G. Heim wrote: > > >> I think it's not said often enough. Speakup is really, really nice. >> Lets face it, when the chips are down, you always fall back on >> speakup don't you? I know I do. The accessible debian install,er, >> talking grml CD, plus several a talking Windows installer I built >> myself. They all depend on speakup. Speakup is like that old PC you >> have that always works even when that new flashiy one is on the fritz >> again.You know what I mean? You've got your flashy new laptop or >> whatever but in an >> > emergency, don't you want your old one running speakup? > >> Say your network is down and you need to make a serial port >> connection. What do you want? I want speakup. When a machine won't >> boot, you put in your grml CD with speakup don't you? If I'm in a >> panic, I always just want something with speakup. >> >> -- >> John G. Heim >> jheim@math.wisc.edu 3-4189 >> http://www.math.wisc.edu/~jheim/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Speakup mailing list >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > _______________________________________________ Speakup mailing list Speakup@braille.uwo.ca http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 66+ messages in thread
* Re: GRML is cool, but having problem ` GRML is cool, but having problem al Sten-Clanton @ ` Janina Sajka 0 siblings, 0 replies; 66+ messages in thread From: Janina Sajka @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. The TripleTalk has stopped working for some reason. I have both Doubletalk and TripleTalk synths here. The Doubletalk always works, but the TripleTalk never works. It didn't used to be like that. Janina al Sten-Clanton writes: > GRML has been my good buddy in moments of great trouble for a while, now. > One thing I haven't been able to do so far with the latest version, however, > is get it to boot up with my TripleTalk LT. The command that used to work > just doesn't, even when I replace the underscore with the period in > "speakup_synth=". > > I think this was mentioned here before, but don't think anybody mentioned > doing something different that worked. Any suggestions? > > Thanks! > > Al > > -----Original Message----- > From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca] > On Behalf Of Michael Whapples > Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 2:01 PM > To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. > Subject: Re: RE: speakup is nice > > If a hardware synth is a problem then look at GRML (www.grml.org) as that > comes with speakup and everything to run software speech on the CD. > GRML allows a fully accessible (with speakup and software speech output) > install of GRML or debian to the hard drive and this is how I installed > linux on my laptop. > > I too would like to add how speakup has been so useful to me (helping me get > out of situations I could not have solved with other screen readers) and it > probably will continue to be useful. Also I am glad that GRML exists, > allowing me a fully portable distribution where I don't need to carry round > a hardware synth. > > Michael Whapples > > On 23/12/42 20:59, James Homuth wrote: > > My only knock against Speakup is it's strictly command line based. If > > I'm sitting in front of a linux desktop, I want to be able to use a > > lot of the actual desktop applications. Certain IM clients, for > > example. Plus, my limited money for hardware means I can't wander out > > and get my hands on a speech synth. Otherwise, when I install linux on > > my laptop in the next month or so I'd go with Speakup over Orca. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca > > [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca] > > On Behalf Of Trevor Astrope > > Sent: January 13, 2009 12:07 PM > > To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. > > Subject: Re: speakup is nice > > > > Yep. I've tried orca and even bought a mac. The only time I use them > > is for online banking and sites where links doesn't work. Otherwise, > > speakup is my goto screen reader. > > > > I agree that we don't say enough just how great and liberating it is! > > > > On Tue, 13 Jan 2009, John G. Heim wrote: > > > > > >> I think it's not said often enough. Speakup is really, really nice. > >> Lets face it, when the chips are down, you always fall back on > >> speakup don't you? I know I do. The accessible debian install,er, > >> talking grml CD, plus several a talking Windows installer I built > >> myself. They all depend on speakup. Speakup is like that old PC you > >> have that always works even when that new flashiy one is on the fritz > >> again.You know what I mean? You've got your flashy new laptop or > >> whatever but in an > >> > > emergency, don't you want your old one running speakup? > > > >> Say your network is down and you need to make a serial port > >> connection. What do you want? I want speakup. When a machine won't > >> boot, you put in your grml CD with speakup don't you? If I'm in a > >> panic, I always just want something with speakup. > >> > >> -- > >> John G. Heim > >> jheim@math.wisc.edu 3-4189 > >> http://www.math.wisc.edu/~jheim/ > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Speakup mailing list > >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > >> > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup -- Janina Sajka, Phone: +1.202.595.7777; sip:janina@CapitalAccessibility.Com Partner, Capital Accessibility LLC http://CapitalAccessibility.Com Marketing the Owasys 22C talking screenless cell phone in the U.S. and Canada Learn more at http://ScreenlessPhone.Com Chair, Open Accessibility janina@a11y.org Linux Foundation http://a11y.org ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 66+ messages in thread
* Re: RE: speakup is nice ` Michael Whapples ` GRML is cool, but having problem al Sten-Clanton @ ` Tyler Littlefield 1 sibling, 0 replies; 66+ messages in thread From: Tyler Littlefield @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. I've played with grml, I'll need to work with it some more. it seems to freeze at grml2hd at around 64%. Thanks, Tyler Littlefield http://tysdomain.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Whapples" <mwhapples@aim.com> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 12:00 PM Subject: Re: RE: speakup is nice > If a hardware synth is a problem then look at GRML (www.grml.org) as that > comes with speakup and everything to run software speech on the CD. GRML > allows a fully accessible (with speakup and software speech output) > install of GRML or debian to the hard drive and this is how I installed > linux on my laptop. > > I too would like to add how speakup has been so useful to me (helping me > get out of situations I could not have solved with other screen readers) > and it probably will continue to be useful. Also I am glad that GRML > exists, allowing me a fully portable distribution where I don't need to > carry round a hardware synth. > > Michael Whapples > > On 23/12/42 20:59, James Homuth wrote: >> My only knock against Speakup is it's strictly command line based. If I'm >> sitting in front of a linux desktop, I want to be able to use a lot of >> the >> actual desktop applications. Certain IM clients, for example. Plus, my >> limited money for hardware means I can't wander out and get my hands on a >> speech synth. Otherwise, when I install linux on my laptop in the next >> month >> or so I'd go with Speakup over Orca. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca >> [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca] >> On Behalf Of Trevor Astrope >> Sent: January 13, 2009 12:07 PM >> To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. >> Subject: Re: speakup is nice >> >> Yep. I've tried orca and even bought a mac. The only time I use them is >> for >> online banking and sites where links doesn't work. Otherwise, speakup is >> my >> goto screen reader. >> >> I agree that we don't say enough just how great and liberating it is! >> >> On Tue, 13 Jan 2009, John G. Heim wrote: >> >> >>> I think it's not said often enough. Speakup is really, really nice. >>> Lets face it, when the chips are down, you always fall back on speakup >>> don't you? I know I do. The accessible debian install,er, talking grml >>> CD, plus several a talking Windows installer I built myself. They all >>> depend on speakup. Speakup is like that old PC you have that always >>> works even when that new flashiy one is on the fritz again.You know >>> what I mean? You've got your flashy new laptop or whatever but in an >>> >> emergency, don't you want your old one running speakup? >> >>> Say your network is down and you need to make a serial port >>> connection. What do you want? I want speakup. When a machine won't >>> boot, you put in your grml CD with speakup don't you? If I'm in a >>> panic, I always just want something with speakup. >>> >>> -- >>> John G. Heim >>> jheim@math.wisc.edu 3-4189 >>> http://www.math.wisc.edu/~jheim/ >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Speakup mailing list >>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Speakup mailing list >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >> >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > __________ NOD32 3760 (20090112) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 66+ messages in thread
* Re: speakup is nice ` James Homuth ` Tyler Littlefield ` Michael Whapples @ ` Janina Sajka ` James Homuth ` Michael Whapples 2 siblings, 2 replies; 66+ messages in thread From: Janina Sajka @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. You don't understand. You get to have both Speakup and Orca and go back and forth between them all day long. It's not an either or situation. It's a both and situation. Janina James Homuth writes: > My only knock against Speakup is it's strictly command line based. If I'm > sitting in front of a linux desktop, I want to be able to use a lot of the > actual desktop applications. Certain IM clients, for example. Plus, my > limited money for hardware means I can't wander out and get my hands on a > speech synth. Otherwise, when I install linux on my laptop in the next month > or so I'd go with Speakup over Orca. > > -----Original Message----- > From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca] > On Behalf Of Trevor Astrope > Sent: January 13, 2009 12:07 PM > To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. > Subject: Re: speakup is nice > > Yep. I've tried orca and even bought a mac. The only time I use them is for > online banking and sites where links doesn't work. Otherwise, speakup is my > goto screen reader. > > I agree that we don't say enough just how great and liberating it is! > > On Tue, 13 Jan 2009, John G. Heim wrote: > > > I think it's not said often enough. Speakup is really, really nice. > > Lets face it, when the chips are down, you always fall back on speakup > > don't you? I know I do. The accessible debian install,er, talking grml > > CD, plus several a talking Windows installer I built myself. They all > > depend on speakup. Speakup is like that old PC you have that always > > works even when that new flashiy one is on the fritz again.You know > > what I mean? You've got your flashy new laptop or whatever but in an > emergency, don't you want your old one running speakup? > > Say your network is down and you need to make a serial port > > connection. What do you want? I want speakup. When a machine won't > > boot, you put in your grml CD with speakup don't you? If I'm in a > > panic, I always just want something with speakup. > > > > -- > > John G. Heim > > jheim@math.wisc.edu 3-4189 > > http://www.math.wisc.edu/~jheim/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup -- Janina Sajka, Phone: +1.202.595.7777; sip:janina@CapitalAccessibility.Com Partner, Capital Accessibility LLC http://CapitalAccessibility.Com Marketing the Owasys 22C talking screenless cell phone in the U.S. and Canada Learn more at http://ScreenlessPhone.Com Chair, Open Accessibility janina@a11y.org Linux Foundation http://a11y.org ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 66+ messages in thread
* RE: speakup is nice ` Janina Sajka @ ` James Homuth ` Willem van der Walt ` Michael Whapples 1 sibling, 1 reply; 66+ messages in thread From: James Homuth @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: 'Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.' I do understand. See my previous post on the matter. Also, there is the additional headache of requiring, at least for the install process, a hardware synth. Which I've never been a particular fan of. Plus, if I decide to put it on a laptop, I want to be able to take *just* the laptop. Again, not saying you're wrong or anything, but I kind of have my restrictions. And at the moment, speakup sort of falls outside of them based on the information I currently have on it. Some of it may be incorrect. At which point I'll definitely reinvestigate. -----Original Message----- From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca] On Behalf Of Janina Sajka Sent: January 19, 2009 11:02 AM To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Subject: Re: speakup is nice You don't understand. You get to have both Speakup and Orca and go back and forth between them all day long. It's not an either or situation. It's a both and situation. Janina James Homuth writes: > My only knock against Speakup is it's strictly command line based. If > I'm sitting in front of a linux desktop, I want to be able to use a > lot of the actual desktop applications. Certain IM clients, for > example. Plus, my limited money for hardware means I can't wander out > and get my hands on a speech synth. Otherwise, when I install linux on > my laptop in the next month or so I'd go with Speakup over Orca. > > -----Original Message----- > From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca > [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca] > On Behalf Of Trevor Astrope > Sent: January 13, 2009 12:07 PM > To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. > Subject: Re: speakup is nice > > Yep. I've tried orca and even bought a mac. The only time I use them > is for online banking and sites where links doesn't work. Otherwise, > speakup is my goto screen reader. > > I agree that we don't say enough just how great and liberating it is! > > On Tue, 13 Jan 2009, John G. Heim wrote: > > > I think it's not said often enough. Speakup is really, really nice. > > Lets face it, when the chips are down, you always fall back on > > speakup don't you? I know I do. The accessible debian install,er, > > talking grml CD, plus several a talking Windows installer I built > > myself. They all depend on speakup. Speakup is like that old PC you > > have that always works even when that new flashiy one is on the > > fritz again.You know what I mean? You've got your flashy new laptop > > or whatever but in an > emergency, don't you want your old one running speakup? > > Say your network is down and you need to make a serial port > > connection. What do you want? I want speakup. When a machine won't > > boot, you put in your grml CD with speakup don't you? If I'm in a > > panic, I always just want something with speakup. > > > > -- > > John G. Heim > > jheim@math.wisc.edu 3-4189 > > http://www.math.wisc.edu/~jheim/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup -- Janina Sajka, Phone: +1.202.595.7777; sip:janina@CapitalAccessibility.Com Partner, Capital Accessibility LLC http://CapitalAccessibility.Com Marketing the Owasys 22C talking screenless cell phone in the U.S. and Canada Learn more at http://ScreenlessPhone.Com Chair, Open Accessibility janina@a11y.org Linux Foundation http://a11y.org _______________________________________________ Speakup mailing list Speakup@braille.uwo.ca http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 66+ messages in thread
* RE: speakup is nice ` James Homuth @ ` Willem van der Walt ` James Homuth 0 siblings, 1 reply; 66+ messages in thread From: Willem van der Walt @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. By the sound of it, you are under the impression that speakup cannot work with software speech. It can work with software speech. I hav used orca with espeak to install speakup with software speech on a machine of mine. Using speech-dispatcher, one can jump between orca and speakup without problems. HTH, Willem On Wed, 28 Jan 2009, James Homuth wrote: > I do understand. See my previous post on the matter. Also, there is the > additional headache of requiring, at least for the install process, a > hardware synth. Which I've never been a particular fan of. Plus, if I decide > to put it on a laptop, I want to be able to take *just* the laptop. Again, > not saying you're wrong or anything, but I kind of have my restrictions. And > at the moment, speakup sort of falls outside of them based on the > information I currently have on it. Some of it may be incorrect. At which > point I'll definitely reinvestigate. > > -----Original Message----- > From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca] > On Behalf Of Janina Sajka > Sent: January 19, 2009 11:02 AM > To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. > Subject: Re: speakup is nice > > You don't understand. You get to have both Speakup and Orca and go back and > forth between them all day long. It's not an either or situation. > It's a both and situation. > > Janina > > James Homuth writes: > > My only knock against Speakup is it's strictly command line based. If > > I'm sitting in front of a linux desktop, I want to be able to use a > > lot of the actual desktop applications. Certain IM clients, for > > example. Plus, my limited money for hardware means I can't wander out > > and get my hands on a speech synth. Otherwise, when I install linux on > > my laptop in the next month or so I'd go with Speakup over Orca. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca > > [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca] > > On Behalf Of Trevor Astrope > > Sent: January 13, 2009 12:07 PM > > To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. > > Subject: Re: speakup is nice > > > > Yep. I've tried orca and even bought a mac. The only time I use them > > is for online banking and sites where links doesn't work. Otherwise, > > speakup is my goto screen reader. > > > > I agree that we don't say enough just how great and liberating it is! > > > > On Tue, 13 Jan 2009, John G. Heim wrote: > > > > > I think it's not said often enough. Speakup is really, really nice. > > > Lets face it, when the chips are down, you always fall back on > > > speakup don't you? I know I do. The accessible debian install,er, > > > talking grml CD, plus several a talking Windows installer I built > > > myself. They all depend on speakup. Speakup is like that old PC you > > > have that always works even when that new flashiy one is on the > > > fritz again.You know what I mean? You've got your flashy new laptop > > > or whatever but in an > > emergency, don't you want your old one running speakup? > > > Say your network is down and you need to make a serial port > > > connection. What do you want? I want speakup. When a machine won't > > > boot, you put in your grml CD with speakup don't you? If I'm in a > > > panic, I always just want something with speakup. > > > > > > -- > > > John G. Heim > > > jheim@math.wisc.edu 3-4189 > > > http://www.math.wisc.edu/~jheim/ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Speakup mailing list > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > -- > > Janina Sajka, Phone: +1.202.595.7777; > sip:janina@CapitalAccessibility.Com > Partner, Capital Accessibility LLC http://CapitalAccessibility.Com > > Marketing the Owasys 22C talking screenless cell phone in the U.S. and > Canada Learn more at http://ScreenlessPhone.Com > > Chair, Open Accessibility janina@a11y.org > Linux Foundation http://a11y.org > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > -- This message is subject to the CSIR's copyright terms and conditions, e-mail legal notice, and implemented Open Document Format (ODF) standard. 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* RE: speakup is nice ` Willem van der Walt @ ` James Homuth ` Willem van der Walt ` (2 more replies) 0 siblings, 3 replies; 66+ messages in thread From: James Homuth @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: 'Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.' Not my impression at all. I am aware it can. However, not to install the software. And not to install Linux speakup-enabled. That requires a hardware synth for at least that process. Again, this is so far as I'm aware. Which is as said, the drawback to my already not having installed it at least until I can install a desktop interface. -----Original Message----- From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca] On Behalf Of Willem van der Walt Sent: January 28, 2009 10:09 AM To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Subject: RE: speakup is nice By the sound of it, you are under the impression that speakup cannot work with software speech. It can work with software speech. I hav used orca with espeak to install speakup with software speech on a machine of mine. Using speech-dispatcher, one can jump between orca and speakup without problems. HTH, Willem On Wed, 28 Jan 2009, James Homuth wrote: > I do understand. See my previous post on the matter. Also, there is > the additional headache of requiring, at least for the install > process, a hardware synth. Which I've never been a particular fan of. > Plus, if I decide to put it on a laptop, I want to be able to take > *just* the laptop. Again, not saying you're wrong or anything, but I > kind of have my restrictions. And at the moment, speakup sort of falls > outside of them based on the information I currently have on it. Some > of it may be incorrect. At which point I'll definitely reinvestigate. > > -----Original Message----- > From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca > [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca] > On Behalf Of Janina Sajka > Sent: January 19, 2009 11:02 AM > To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. > Subject: Re: speakup is nice > > You don't understand. You get to have both Speakup and Orca and go > back and forth between them all day long. It's not an either or situation. > It's a both and situation. > > Janina > > James Homuth writes: > > My only knock against Speakup is it's strictly command line based. > > If I'm sitting in front of a linux desktop, I want to be able to use > > a lot of the actual desktop applications. Certain IM clients, for > > example. Plus, my limited money for hardware means I can't wander > > out and get my hands on a speech synth. Otherwise, when I install > > linux on my laptop in the next month or so I'd go with Speakup over Orca. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca > > [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca] > > On Behalf Of Trevor Astrope > > Sent: January 13, 2009 12:07 PM > > To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. > > Subject: Re: speakup is nice > > > > Yep. I've tried orca and even bought a mac. The only time I use them > > is for online banking and sites where links doesn't work. Otherwise, > > speakup is my goto screen reader. > > > > I agree that we don't say enough just how great and liberating it is! > > > > On Tue, 13 Jan 2009, John G. Heim wrote: > > > > > I think it's not said often enough. Speakup is really, really nice. > > > Lets face it, when the chips are down, you always fall back on > > > speakup don't you? I know I do. The accessible debian install,er, > > > talking grml CD, plus several a talking Windows installer I built > > > myself. They all depend on speakup. Speakup is like that old PC > > > you have that always works even when that new flashiy one is on > > > the fritz again.You know what I mean? You've got your flashy new > > > laptop or whatever but in an > > emergency, don't you want your old one running speakup? > > > Say your network is down and you need to make a serial port > > > connection. What do you want? I want speakup. When a machine won't > > > boot, you put in your grml CD with speakup don't you? If I'm in a > > > panic, I always just want something with speakup. > > > > > > -- > > > John G. Heim > > > jheim@math.wisc.edu 3-4189 > > > http://www.math.wisc.edu/~jheim/ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Speakup mailing list > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > -- > > Janina Sajka, Phone: +1.202.595.7777; > sip:janina@CapitalAccessibility.Com > Partner, Capital Accessibility LLC http://CapitalAccessibility.Com > > Marketing the Owasys 22C talking screenless cell phone in the U.S. and > Canada Learn more at http://ScreenlessPhone.Com > > Chair, Open Accessibility janina@a11y.org > Linux Foundation http://a11y.org > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > -- This message is subject to the CSIR's copyright terms and conditions, e-mail legal notice, and implemented Open Document Format (ODF) standard. 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* RE: speakup is nice ` James Homuth @ ` Willem van der Walt ` Chris Brannon ` Michael Whapples 2 siblings, 0 replies; 66+ messages in thread From: Willem van der Walt @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Not sure I get it, but if it helps, you can install ubuntu with software speech using orca, check the orca-list archives/wikki. Then you can install speakup afterwards. There are some audio tutorials somewhere regarding this. Regards, Willem On Wed, 28 Jan 2009, James Homuth wrote: > Not my impression at all. I am aware it can. However, not to install the > software. And not to install Linux speakup-enabled. That requires a hardware > synth for at least that process. Again, this is so far as I'm aware. Which > is as said, the drawback to my already not having installed it at least > until I can install a desktop interface. > > -----Original Message----- > From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca] > On Behalf Of Willem van der Walt > Sent: January 28, 2009 10:09 AM > To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. > Subject: RE: speakup is nice > > By the sound of it, you are under the impression that speakup cannot work > with software speech. > It can work with software speech. > I hav used orca with espeak to install speakup with software speech on a > machine of mine. > Using speech-dispatcher, one can jump between orca and speakup without > problems. > HTH, Willem > > On Wed, 28 Jan 2009, James Homuth wrote: > > > I do understand. See my previous post on the matter. Also, there is > > the additional headache of requiring, at least for the install > > process, a hardware synth. Which I've never been a particular fan of. > > Plus, if I decide to put it on a laptop, I want to be able to take > > *just* the laptop. Again, not saying you're wrong or anything, but I > > kind of have my restrictions. And at the moment, speakup sort of falls > > outside of them based on the information I currently have on it. Some > > of it may be incorrect. At which point I'll definitely reinvestigate. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca > > [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca] > > On Behalf Of Janina Sajka > > Sent: January 19, 2009 11:02 AM > > To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. > > Subject: Re: speakup is nice > > > > You don't understand. You get to have both Speakup and Orca and go > > back and forth between them all day long. It's not an either or situation. > > It's a both and situation. > > > > Janina > > > > James Homuth writes: > > > My only knock against Speakup is it's strictly command line based. > > > If I'm sitting in front of a linux desktop, I want to be able to use > > > a lot of the actual desktop applications. Certain IM clients, for > > > example. Plus, my limited money for hardware means I can't wander > > > out and get my hands on a speech synth. Otherwise, when I install > > > linux on my laptop in the next month or so I'd go with Speakup over > Orca. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca > > > [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca] > > > On Behalf Of Trevor Astrope > > > Sent: January 13, 2009 12:07 PM > > > To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. > > > Subject: Re: speakup is nice > > > > > > Yep. I've tried orca and even bought a mac. The only time I use them > > > is for online banking and sites where links doesn't work. Otherwise, > > > speakup is my goto screen reader. > > > > > > I agree that we don't say enough just how great and liberating it is! > > > > > > On Tue, 13 Jan 2009, John G. Heim wrote: > > > > > > > I think it's not said often enough. Speakup is really, really nice. > > > > Lets face it, when the chips are down, you always fall back on > > > > speakup don't you? I know I do. The accessible debian install,er, > > > > talking grml CD, plus several a talking Windows installer I built > > > > myself. They all depend on speakup. Speakup is like that old PC > > > > you have that always works even when that new flashiy one is on > > > > the fritz again.You know what I mean? You've got your flashy new > > > > laptop or whatever but in an > > > emergency, don't you want your old one running speakup? > > > > Say your network is down and you need to make a serial port > > > > connection. What do you want? I want speakup. When a machine won't > > > > boot, you put in your grml CD with speakup don't you? If I'm in a > > > > panic, I always just want something with speakup. > > > > > > > > -- > > > > John G. Heim > > > > jheim@math.wisc.edu 3-4189 > > > > http://www.math.wisc.edu/~jheim/ > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Speakup mailing list > > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Speakup mailing list > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Speakup mailing list > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > -- > > > > Janina Sajka, Phone: +1.202.595.7777; > > sip:janina@CapitalAccessibility.Com > > Partner, Capital Accessibility LLC http://CapitalAccessibility.Com > > > > Marketing the Owasys 22C talking screenless cell phone in the U.S. and > > Canada Learn more at http://ScreenlessPhone.Com > > > > Chair, Open Accessibility janina@a11y.org > > Linux Foundation http://a11y.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > -- > This message is subject to the CSIR's copyright terms and conditions, e-mail > legal notice, and implemented Open Document Format (ODF) standard. > The full disclaimer details can be found at > http://www.csir.co.za/disclaimer.html. > > This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by > MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. 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* Re: speakup is nice ` James Homuth ` Willem van der Walt @ ` Chris Brannon ` Michael Whapples 2 siblings, 0 replies; 66+ messages in thread From: Chris Brannon @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup James Homuth writes: > Not my impression at all. I am aware it can. However, not to install the > software. And not to install Linux speakup-enabled. That requires a hardware > synth for at least that process. Again, this is so far as I'm aware. Hi James, Your assertion is false, as I have installed Linux using Speakup and software speech many times. Have a look at grml, found at http://www.grml.org. Grml is a live CD that can start software speech at boot. If you're happy with it, you can install it to the hard drive using the grml2hd program. Regards, -- Chris ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 66+ messages in thread
* RE: speakup is nice ` James Homuth ` Willem van der Walt ` Chris Brannon @ ` Michael Whapples ` James Homuth 2 siblings, 1 reply; 66+ messages in thread From: Michael Whapples @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. You are wrong in believing that speakup requires a software synth to install linux, have a look at the GRML distro (www.grml.org). GRML (I am always referring to the full version of GRML when I say GRML, not GRML medium or small which I will always specify if I am referring to these cut down versions) I find is wonderful for those of us who want to use speakup on a LiveCD without any hardware synth. To use GRML with software speech just enter: grml swspeak at the boot prompt and then when you get the voice message saying booting finished (I find it can say this a couple of seconds before booting really has finished, so you may wish to just wait a few seconds) you just need to enter the command: swspeak and you will have speakup with software speech output (providing your sound card is detected correctly but this is a problem for any software synth output, even orca can't solve that). If you want to install to hard disk then you can use grml2hd or grml-debootstrap (grml-debootstrap is to install debian instead of GRML). The computer I am using here has speakup with software speech output, it also has gnome and orca installed and I did all this installation with software speech (speakup for the install process). Also it is a laptop and I can take it anywhere (with no other hardware) and use speakup or orca without problems. I will admit distros including speakup with software speech output during install are rare and this is why I like GRML so much, the ability to have linux on CD which I can insert into any computer and use speakup with a software synth. I will just explain one comment I made earlier. I said about use GRML full version, this is because GRML medium and small do not include any accessibility features (IE. no speakup or brltty). Only the full version have the accessibility software. Hope this helps Michael Whapples On Wed, 2009-01-28 at 10:15 -0500, James Homuth wrote: > Not my impression at all. I am aware it can. However, not to install the > software. And not to install Linux speakup-enabled. That requires a hardware > synth for at least that process. Again, this is so far as I'm aware. Which > is as said, the drawback to my already not having installed it at least > until I can install a desktop interface. > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 66+ messages in thread
* RE: speakup is nice ` Michael Whapples @ ` James Homuth ` Garrett Klein 0 siblings, 1 reply; 66+ messages in thread From: James Homuth @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: 'Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.' I stand corrected, then. Question, though, regarding GRML. Do you have the option of installing any variation of Linux, or is it limitted to Debian or grml? I have a particular interest in a slightly less mainstream version of Linux, specificly Gentoo, which is my primary reason for asking. Though admittedly, a secondary reason to it is curiosity. -----Original Message----- From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca] On Behalf Of Michael Whapples Sent: January 28, 2009 12:26 PM To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Subject: RE: speakup is nice You are wrong in believing that speakup requires a software synth to install linux, have a look at the GRML distro (www.grml.org). GRML (I am always referring to the full version of GRML when I say GRML, not GRML medium or small which I will always specify if I am referring to these cut down versions) I find is wonderful for those of us who want to use speakup on a LiveCD without any hardware synth. To use GRML with software speech just enter: grml swspeak at the boot prompt and then when you get the voice message saying booting finished (I find it can say this a couple of seconds before booting really has finished, so you may wish to just wait a few seconds) you just need to enter the command: swspeak and you will have speakup with software speech output (providing your sound card is detected correctly but this is a problem for any software synth output, even orca can't solve that). If you want to install to hard disk then you can use grml2hd or grml-debootstrap (grml-debootstrap is to install debian instead of GRML). The computer I am using here has speakup with software speech output, it also has gnome and orca installed and I did all this installation with software speech (speakup for the install process). Also it is a laptop and I can take it anywhere (with no other hardware) and use speakup or orca without problems. I will admit distros including speakup with software speech output during install are rare and this is why I like GRML so much, the ability to have linux on CD which I can insert into any computer and use speakup with a software synth. I will just explain one comment I made earlier. I said about use GRML full version, this is because GRML medium and small do not include any accessibility features (IE. no speakup or brltty). Only the full version have the accessibility software. Hope this helps Michael Whapples On Wed, 2009-01-28 at 10:15 -0500, James Homuth wrote: > Not my impression at all. I am aware it can. However, not to install > the software. And not to install Linux speakup-enabled. That requires > a hardware synth for at least that process. Again, this is so far as > I'm aware. Which is as said, the drawback to my already not having > installed it at least until I can install a desktop interface. > _______________________________________________ Speakup mailing list Speakup@braille.uwo.ca http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 66+ messages in thread
* Re: speakup is nice ` James Homuth @ ` Garrett Klein ` Michael Whapples 0 siblings, 1 reply; 66+ messages in thread From: Garrett Klein @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Jamews, You can install Gentoo using the 2007.0 live CD. It's using the old speakup so just type speakup_synth=xxxx or gentoo speakup_synth=xxxx at the boot prompt. Hth, Garrett James Homuth wrote: > I stand corrected, then. Question, though, regarding GRML. Do you have the > option of installing any variation of Linux, or is it limitted to Debian or > grml? I have a particular interest in a slightly less mainstream version of > Linux, specificly Gentoo, which is my primary reason for asking. Though > admittedly, a secondary reason to it is curiosity. > > -----Original Message----- > From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca] > On Behalf Of Michael Whapples > Sent: January 28, 2009 12:26 PM > To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. > Subject: RE: speakup is nice > > You are wrong in believing that speakup requires a software synth to install > linux, have a look at the GRML distro (www.grml.org). GRML (I am always > referring to the full version of GRML when I say GRML, not GRML medium or > small which I will always specify if I am referring to these cut down > versions) I find is wonderful for those of us who want to use speakup on a > LiveCD without any hardware synth. To use GRML with software speech just > enter: > grml swspeak > at the boot prompt and then when you get the voice message saying booting > finished (I find it can say this a couple of seconds before booting really > has finished, so you may wish to just wait a few seconds) you just need to > enter the command: > swspeak > and you will have speakup with software speech output (providing your sound > card is detected correctly but this is a problem for any software synth > output, even orca can't solve that). If you want to install to hard disk > then you can use grml2hd or grml-debootstrap (grml-debootstrap is to install > debian instead of GRML). > > The computer I am using here has speakup with software speech output, it > also has gnome and orca installed and I did all this installation with > software speech (speakup for the install process). Also it is a laptop and I > can take it anywhere (with no other hardware) and use speakup or orca > without problems. > > I will admit distros including speakup with software speech output during > install are rare and this is why I like GRML so much, the ability to have > linux on CD which I can insert into any computer and use speakup with a > software synth. > > I will just explain one comment I made earlier. I said about use GRML full > version, this is because GRML medium and small do not include any > accessibility features (IE. no speakup or brltty). Only the full version > have the accessibility software. > > Hope this helps > > Michael Whapples > On Wed, 2009-01-28 at 10:15 -0500, James Homuth wrote: >> Not my impression at all. I am aware it can. However, not to install >> the software. And not to install Linux speakup-enabled. That requires >> a hardware synth for at least that process. Again, this is so far as >> I'm aware. Which is as said, the drawback to my already not having >> installed it at least until I can install a desktop interface. >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > -- Garrett Klein Visit me and my girlfriend's blog at http://garrettk17.dyndns.org ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 66+ messages in thread
* Re: speakup is nice ` Garrett Klein @ ` Michael Whapples ` James Homuth 0 siblings, 1 reply; 66+ messages in thread From: Michael Whapples @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Except I thought that gentoo disc didn't include a software synth for speakup, or am I wrong? As for whether you could install gentoo using GRML, I don't know for sure, but when I looked at gentoo the installation process had no real gentoo specific requirement for the liveCD used (except for the packages, docs and stage file which could be got from the internet). So I guess that whilst it may not be officially supported you might be able to do an install of gentoo using GRML if you can get an internet connection whilst using GRML. If anyone knows more about this, may be you could give more detail. Michael Whapples On Wed, 2009-01-28 at 15:31 -0600, Garrett Klein wrote: > Jamews, > > You can install Gentoo using the 2007.0 live CD. It's using the old > speakup so just type > speakup_synth=xxxx or > gentoo speakup_synth=xxxx > at the boot prompt. > > Hth, > Garrett > > James Homuth wrote: > > I stand corrected, then. Question, though, regarding GRML. Do you have the > > option of installing any variation of Linux, or is it limitted to Debian or > > grml? I have a particular interest in a slightly less mainstream version of > > Linux, specificly Gentoo, which is my primary reason for asking. Though > > admittedly, a secondary reason to it is curiosity. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca] > > On Behalf Of Michael Whapples > > Sent: January 28, 2009 12:26 PM > > To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. > > Subject: RE: speakup is nice > > > > You are wrong in believing that speakup requires a software synth to install > > linux, have a look at the GRML distro (www.grml.org). GRML (I am always > > referring to the full version of GRML when I say GRML, not GRML medium or > > small which I will always specify if I am referring to these cut down > > versions) I find is wonderful for those of us who want to use speakup on a > > LiveCD without any hardware synth. To use GRML with software speech just > > enter: > > grml swspeak > > at the boot prompt and then when you get the voice message saying booting > > finished (I find it can say this a couple of seconds before booting really > > has finished, so you may wish to just wait a few seconds) you just need to > > enter the command: > > swspeak > > and you will have speakup with software speech output (providing your sound > > card is detected correctly but this is a problem for any software synth > > output, even orca can't solve that). If you want to install to hard disk > > then you can use grml2hd or grml-debootstrap (grml-debootstrap is to install > > debian instead of GRML). > > > > The computer I am using here has speakup with software speech output, it > > also has gnome and orca installed and I did all this installation with > > software speech (speakup for the install process). Also it is a laptop and I > > can take it anywhere (with no other hardware) and use speakup or orca > > without problems. > > > > I will admit distros including speakup with software speech output during > > install are rare and this is why I like GRML so much, the ability to have > > linux on CD which I can insert into any computer and use speakup with a > > software synth. > > > > I will just explain one comment I made earlier. I said about use GRML full > > version, this is because GRML medium and small do not include any > > accessibility features (IE. no speakup or brltty). Only the full version > > have the accessibility software. > > > > Hope this helps > > > > Michael Whapples > > On Wed, 2009-01-28 at 10:15 -0500, James Homuth wrote: > >> Not my impression at all. I am aware it can. However, not to install > >> the software. And not to install Linux speakup-enabled. That requires > >> a hardware synth for at least that process. Again, this is so far as > >> I'm aware. Which is as said, the drawback to my already not having > >> installed it at least until I can install a desktop interface. > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 66+ messages in thread
* RE: speakup is nice ` Michael Whapples @ ` James Homuth ` Michael Whapples ` Tyler Littlefield 0 siblings, 2 replies; 66+ messages in thread From: James Homuth @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: 'Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.' To my knowledge, it does not. Speakup is compiled into the kernal, and going on what little information Gentoo has on its website, only works with a hardware synth. Otherwise I'd definitely take that route. -----Original Message----- From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca] On Behalf Of Michael Whapples Sent: January 28, 2009 5:50 PM To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Subject: Re: speakup is nice Except I thought that gentoo disc didn't include a software synth for speakup, or am I wrong? As for whether you could install gentoo using GRML, I don't know for sure, but when I looked at gentoo the installation process had no real gentoo specific requirement for the liveCD used (except for the packages, docs and stage file which could be got from the internet). So I guess that whilst it may not be officially supported you might be able to do an install of gentoo using GRML if you can get an internet connection whilst using GRML. If anyone knows more about this, may be you could give more detail. Michael Whapples On Wed, 2009-01-28 at 15:31 -0600, Garrett Klein wrote: > Jamews, > > You can install Gentoo using the 2007.0 live CD. It's using the old > speakup so just type speakup_synth=xxxx or gentoo speakup_synth=xxxx > at the boot prompt. > > Hth, > Garrett > > James Homuth wrote: > > I stand corrected, then. Question, though, regarding GRML. Do you > > have the option of installing any variation of Linux, or is it > > limitted to Debian or grml? I have a particular interest in a > > slightly less mainstream version of Linux, specificly Gentoo, which > > is my primary reason for asking. Though admittedly, a secondary reason to it is curiosity. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca > > [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca] > > On Behalf Of Michael Whapples > > Sent: January 28, 2009 12:26 PM > > To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. > > Subject: RE: speakup is nice > > > > You are wrong in believing that speakup requires a software synth to > > install linux, have a look at the GRML distro (www.grml.org). GRML > > (I am always referring to the full version of GRML when I say GRML, > > not GRML medium or small which I will always specify if I am > > referring to these cut down > > versions) I find is wonderful for those of us who want to use > > speakup on a LiveCD without any hardware synth. To use GRML with > > software speech just > > enter: > > grml swspeak > > at the boot prompt and then when you get the voice message saying > > booting finished (I find it can say this a couple of seconds before > > booting really has finished, so you may wish to just wait a few > > seconds) you just need to enter the command: > > swspeak > > and you will have speakup with software speech output (providing > > your sound card is detected correctly but this is a problem for any > > software synth output, even orca can't solve that). If you want to > > install to hard disk then you can use grml2hd or grml-debootstrap > > (grml-debootstrap is to install debian instead of GRML). > > > > The computer I am using here has speakup with software speech > > output, it also has gnome and orca installed and I did all this > > installation with software speech (speakup for the install process). > > Also it is a laptop and I can take it anywhere (with no other > > hardware) and use speakup or orca without problems. > > > > I will admit distros including speakup with software speech output > > during install are rare and this is why I like GRML so much, the > > ability to have linux on CD which I can insert into any computer and > > use speakup with a software synth. > > > > I will just explain one comment I made earlier. I said about use > > GRML full version, this is because GRML medium and small do not > > include any accessibility features (IE. no speakup or brltty). Only > > the full version have the accessibility software. > > > > Hope this helps > > > > Michael Whapples > > On Wed, 2009-01-28 at 10:15 -0500, James Homuth wrote: > >> Not my impression at all. I am aware it can. However, not to > >> install the software. And not to install Linux speakup-enabled. > >> That requires a hardware synth for at least that process. Again, > >> this is so far as I'm aware. Which is as said, the drawback to my > >> already not having installed it at least until I can install a desktop interface. > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > _______________________________________________ Speakup mailing list Speakup@braille.uwo.ca http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 66+ messages in thread
* RE: speakup is nice ` James Homuth @ ` Michael Whapples ` Tyler Littlefield 1 sibling, 0 replies; 66+ messages in thread From: Michael Whapples @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Something here doesn't quite seem to join up for me, may be I haven't explained myself well and you misunderstood or may be I don't quite know what you meant in your reply. I will explain further about what I meant that gentoo may be possible to install using GRML. As I understand the gentoo installation process, you initially boot a liveCD, then you mount the drive you want to install on and untar a file onto the disc you are installing on to. Once this stage file is untarred you can then chroot on to the installation disc. At this point you are running the kernel from the liveCD (you should still have software speakup available if you use GRML) At this point you start building your gentoo system. Exactly what you do to build the system depends on which stage file you are using. At some point you will build and install a kernel. As I remember gentoo does have a system to help in compiling the kernel but you are able to customise the kernel, so you could build your kernel with support for the speakup softsynth device (either by compiling into the kernel or as a module). To be able to successfully use software speakup when you have installed you will also need to install a speakup software synth connector (eg. espeakup) and a software synth (eg. espeak). Adding these two packages in the install process shouldn't cause a problem, I think the docs tell you when you can add extra packages (if they don't then you can do it just before you exit the chrooted environment). I know these aren't highly detailed instructions, this is partly due to the fact that I haven't used gentoo for quite some time, but I hope they do give you some ideas how you might be able to install gentoo with GRML. Michael Whapples On Wed, 2009-01-28 at 17:53 -0500, James Homuth wrote: > To my knowledge, it does not. Speakup is compiled into the kernal, and going > on what little information Gentoo has on its website, only works with a > hardware synth. Otherwise I'd definitely take that route. > > -----Original Message----- > From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca] > On Behalf Of Michael Whapples > Sent: January 28, 2009 5:50 PM > To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. > Subject: Re: speakup is nice > > Except I thought that gentoo disc didn't include a software synth for > speakup, or am I wrong? > > As for whether you could install gentoo using GRML, I don't know for sure, > but when I looked at gentoo the installation process had no real gentoo > specific requirement for the liveCD used (except for the packages, docs and > stage file which could be got from the internet). So I guess that whilst it > may not be officially supported you might be able to do an install of gentoo > using GRML if you can get an internet connection whilst using GRML. > > If anyone knows more about this, may be you could give more detail. > > Michael Whapples > On Wed, 2009-01-28 at 15:31 -0600, Garrett Klein wrote: > > Jamews, > > > > You can install Gentoo using the 2007.0 live CD. It's using the old > > speakup so just type speakup_synth=xxxx or gentoo speakup_synth=xxxx > > at the boot prompt. > > > > Hth, > > Garrett > > > > James Homuth wrote: > > > I stand corrected, then. Question, though, regarding GRML. Do you > > > have the option of installing any variation of Linux, or is it > > > limitted to Debian or grml? I have a particular interest in a > > > slightly less mainstream version of Linux, specificly Gentoo, which > > > is my primary reason for asking. Though admittedly, a secondary reason > to it is curiosity. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca > > > [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca] > > > On Behalf Of Michael Whapples > > > Sent: January 28, 2009 12:26 PM > > > To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. > > > Subject: RE: speakup is nice > > > > > > You are wrong in believing that speakup requires a software synth to > > > install linux, have a look at the GRML distro (www.grml.org). GRML > > > (I am always referring to the full version of GRML when I say GRML, > > > not GRML medium or small which I will always specify if I am > > > referring to these cut down > > > versions) I find is wonderful for those of us who want to use > > > speakup on a LiveCD without any hardware synth. To use GRML with > > > software speech just > > > enter: > > > grml swspeak > > > at the boot prompt and then when you get the voice message saying > > > booting finished (I find it can say this a couple of seconds before > > > booting really has finished, so you may wish to just wait a few > > > seconds) you just need to enter the command: > > > swspeak > > > and you will have speakup with software speech output (providing > > > your sound card is detected correctly but this is a problem for any > > > software synth output, even orca can't solve that). If you want to > > > install to hard disk then you can use grml2hd or grml-debootstrap > > > (grml-debootstrap is to install debian instead of GRML). > > > > > > The computer I am using here has speakup with software speech > > > output, it also has gnome and orca installed and I did all this > > > installation with software speech (speakup for the install process). > > > Also it is a laptop and I can take it anywhere (with no other > > > hardware) and use speakup or orca without problems. > > > > > > I will admit distros including speakup with software speech output > > > during install are rare and this is why I like GRML so much, the > > > ability to have linux on CD which I can insert into any computer and > > > use speakup with a software synth. > > > > > > I will just explain one comment I made earlier. I said about use > > > GRML full version, this is because GRML medium and small do not > > > include any accessibility features (IE. no speakup or brltty). Only > > > the full version have the accessibility software. > > > > > > Hope this helps > > > > > > Michael Whapples > > > On Wed, 2009-01-28 at 10:15 -0500, James Homuth wrote: > > >> Not my impression at all. I am aware it can. However, not to > > >> install the software. And not to install Linux speakup-enabled. > > >> That requires a hardware synth for at least that process. Again, > > >> this is so far as I'm aware. Which is as said, the drawback to my > > >> already not having installed it at least until I can install a desktop > interface. > > >> > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Speakup mailing list > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Speakup mailing list > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 66+ messages in thread
* Re: speakup is nice ` James Homuth ` Michael Whapples @ ` Tyler Littlefield ` James Homuth 1 sibling, 1 reply; 66+ messages in thread From: Tyler Littlefield @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. >Speakup is compiled into the kernal,... it can also be compiled as modules. ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Homuth" <james@the-jdh.com> To: "'Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.'" <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 2:53 PM Subject: RE: speakup is nice > To my knowledge, it does not. Speakup is compiled into the kernal, and > going > on what little information Gentoo has on its website, only works with a > hardware synth. Otherwise I'd definitely take that route. > > -----Original Message----- > From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca > [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca] > On Behalf Of Michael Whapples > Sent: January 28, 2009 5:50 PM > To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. > Subject: Re: speakup is nice > > Except I thought that gentoo disc didn't include a software synth for > speakup, or am I wrong? > > As for whether you could install gentoo using GRML, I don't know for sure, > but when I looked at gentoo the installation process had no real gentoo > specific requirement for the liveCD used (except for the packages, docs > and > stage file which could be got from the internet). So I guess that whilst > it > may not be officially supported you might be able to do an install of > gentoo > using GRML if you can get an internet connection whilst using GRML. > > If anyone knows more about this, may be you could give more detail. > > Michael Whapples > On Wed, 2009-01-28 at 15:31 -0600, Garrett Klein wrote: >> Jamews, >> >> You can install Gentoo using the 2007.0 live CD. It's using the old >> speakup so just type speakup_synth=xxxx or gentoo speakup_synth=xxxx >> at the boot prompt. >> >> Hth, >> Garrett >> >> James Homuth wrote: >> > I stand corrected, then. Question, though, regarding GRML. Do you >> > have the option of installing any variation of Linux, or is it >> > limitted to Debian or grml? I have a particular interest in a >> > slightly less mainstream version of Linux, specificly Gentoo, which >> > is my primary reason for asking. Though admittedly, a secondary reason > to it is curiosity. >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca >> > [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca] >> > On Behalf Of Michael Whapples >> > Sent: January 28, 2009 12:26 PM >> > To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. >> > Subject: RE: speakup is nice >> > >> > You are wrong in believing that speakup requires a software synth to >> > install linux, have a look at the GRML distro (www.grml.org). GRML >> > (I am always referring to the full version of GRML when I say GRML, >> > not GRML medium or small which I will always specify if I am >> > referring to these cut down >> > versions) I find is wonderful for those of us who want to use >> > speakup on a LiveCD without any hardware synth. To use GRML with >> > software speech just >> > enter: >> > grml swspeak >> > at the boot prompt and then when you get the voice message saying >> > booting finished (I find it can say this a couple of seconds before >> > booting really has finished, so you may wish to just wait a few >> > seconds) you just need to enter the command: >> > swspeak >> > and you will have speakup with software speech output (providing >> > your sound card is detected correctly but this is a problem for any >> > software synth output, even orca can't solve that). If you want to >> > install to hard disk then you can use grml2hd or grml-debootstrap >> > (grml-debootstrap is to install debian instead of GRML). >> > >> > The computer I am using here has speakup with software speech >> > output, it also has gnome and orca installed and I did all this >> > installation with software speech (speakup for the install process). >> > Also it is a laptop and I can take it anywhere (with no other >> > hardware) and use speakup or orca without problems. >> > >> > I will admit distros including speakup with software speech output >> > during install are rare and this is why I like GRML so much, the >> > ability to have linux on CD which I can insert into any computer and >> > use speakup with a software synth. >> > >> > I will just explain one comment I made earlier. I said about use >> > GRML full version, this is because GRML medium and small do not >> > include any accessibility features (IE. no speakup or brltty). Only >> > the full version have the accessibility software. >> > >> > Hope this helps >> > >> > Michael Whapples >> > On Wed, 2009-01-28 at 10:15 -0500, James Homuth wrote: >> >> Not my impression at all. I am aware it can. However, not to >> >> install the software. And not to install Linux speakup-enabled. >> >> That requires a hardware synth for at least that process. Again, >> >> this is so far as I'm aware. Which is as said, the drawback to my >> >> already not having installed it at least until I can install a desktop > interface. >> >> >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Speakup mailing list >> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Speakup mailing list >> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >> > >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 66+ messages in thread
* RE: speakup is nice ` Tyler Littlefield @ ` James Homuth 0 siblings, 0 replies; 66+ messages in thread From: James Homuth @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: 'Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.' Yes, it can. But not on the install CD. Which was my original point. -----Original Message----- From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca] On Behalf Of Tyler Littlefield Sent: January 28, 2009 6:55 PM To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Subject: Re: speakup is nice >Speakup is compiled into the kernal,... it can also be compiled as modules. ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Homuth" <james@the-jdh.com> To: "'Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.'" <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 2:53 PM Subject: RE: speakup is nice > To my knowledge, it does not. Speakup is compiled into the kernal, and > going > on what little information Gentoo has on its website, only works with a > hardware synth. Otherwise I'd definitely take that route. > > -----Original Message----- > From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca > [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca] > On Behalf Of Michael Whapples > Sent: January 28, 2009 5:50 PM > To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. > Subject: Re: speakup is nice > > Except I thought that gentoo disc didn't include a software synth for > speakup, or am I wrong? > > As for whether you could install gentoo using GRML, I don't know for sure, > but when I looked at gentoo the installation process had no real gentoo > specific requirement for the liveCD used (except for the packages, docs > and > stage file which could be got from the internet). So I guess that whilst > it > may not be officially supported you might be able to do an install of > gentoo > using GRML if you can get an internet connection whilst using GRML. > > If anyone knows more about this, may be you could give more detail. > > Michael Whapples > On Wed, 2009-01-28 at 15:31 -0600, Garrett Klein wrote: >> Jamews, >> >> You can install Gentoo using the 2007.0 live CD. It's using the old >> speakup so just type speakup_synth=xxxx or gentoo speakup_synth=xxxx >> at the boot prompt. >> >> Hth, >> Garrett >> >> James Homuth wrote: >> > I stand corrected, then. Question, though, regarding GRML. Do you >> > have the option of installing any variation of Linux, or is it >> > limitted to Debian or grml? I have a particular interest in a >> > slightly less mainstream version of Linux, specificly Gentoo, which >> > is my primary reason for asking. Though admittedly, a secondary reason > to it is curiosity. >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca >> > [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca] >> > On Behalf Of Michael Whapples >> > Sent: January 28, 2009 12:26 PM >> > To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. >> > Subject: RE: speakup is nice >> > >> > You are wrong in believing that speakup requires a software synth to >> > install linux, have a look at the GRML distro (www.grml.org). GRML >> > (I am always referring to the full version of GRML when I say GRML, >> > not GRML medium or small which I will always specify if I am >> > referring to these cut down >> > versions) I find is wonderful for those of us who want to use >> > speakup on a LiveCD without any hardware synth. To use GRML with >> > software speech just >> > enter: >> > grml swspeak >> > at the boot prompt and then when you get the voice message saying >> > booting finished (I find it can say this a couple of seconds before >> > booting really has finished, so you may wish to just wait a few >> > seconds) you just need to enter the command: >> > swspeak >> > and you will have speakup with software speech output (providing >> > your sound card is detected correctly but this is a problem for any >> > software synth output, even orca can't solve that). If you want to >> > install to hard disk then you can use grml2hd or grml-debootstrap >> > (grml-debootstrap is to install debian instead of GRML). >> > >> > The computer I am using here has speakup with software speech >> > output, it also has gnome and orca installed and I did all this >> > installation with software speech (speakup for the install process). >> > Also it is a laptop and I can take it anywhere (with no other >> > hardware) and use speakup or orca without problems. >> > >> > I will admit distros including speakup with software speech output >> > during install are rare and this is why I like GRML so much, the >> > ability to have linux on CD which I can insert into any computer and >> > use speakup with a software synth. >> > >> > I will just explain one comment I made earlier. I said about use >> > GRML full version, this is because GRML medium and small do not >> > include any accessibility features (IE. no speakup or brltty). Only >> > the full version have the accessibility software. >> > >> > Hope this helps >> > >> > Michael Whapples >> > On Wed, 2009-01-28 at 10:15 -0500, James Homuth wrote: >> >> Not my impression at all. I am aware it can. However, not to >> >> install the software. And not to install Linux speakup-enabled. >> >> That requires a hardware synth for at least that process. Again, >> >> this is so far as I'm aware. Which is as said, the drawback to my >> >> already not having installed it at least until I can install a desktop > interface. >> >> >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Speakup mailing list >> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Speakup mailing list >> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >> > >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup _______________________________________________ Speakup mailing list Speakup@braille.uwo.ca http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 66+ messages in thread
* Re: speakup is nice ` Janina Sajka ` James Homuth @ ` Michael Whapples 1 sibling, 0 replies; 66+ messages in thread From: Michael Whapples @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. On Mon, 2009-01-19 at 11:02 -0500, Janina Sajka wrote: > You don't understand. You get to have both Speakup and Orca and go back > and forth between them all day long. It's not an either or situation. > It's a both and situation. > Further more, unlike the commercial products (normally found on windows) you have no problem in getting both orca and speakup, you really are free to choose the best tool for the job. Michael Whapples > Janina > > James Homuth writes: > > My only knock against Speakup is it's strictly command line based. If I'm > > sitting in front of a linux desktop, I want to be able to use a lot of the > > actual desktop applications. Certain IM clients, for example. Plus, my > > limited money for hardware means I can't wander out and get my hands on a > > speech synth. Otherwise, when I install linux on my laptop in the next month > > or so I'd go with Speakup over Orca. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca] > > On Behalf Of Trevor Astrope > > Sent: January 13, 2009 12:07 PM > > To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. > > Subject: Re: speakup is nice > > > > Yep. I've tried orca and even bought a mac. The only time I use them is for > > online banking and sites where links doesn't work. Otherwise, speakup is my > > goto screen reader. > > > > I agree that we don't say enough just how great and liberating it is! > > > > On Tue, 13 Jan 2009, John G. Heim wrote: > > > > > I think it's not said often enough. Speakup is really, really nice. > > > Lets face it, when the chips are down, you always fall back on speakup > > > don't you? I know I do. The accessible debian install,er, talking grml > > > CD, plus several a talking Windows installer I built myself. They all > > > depend on speakup. Speakup is like that old PC you have that always > > > works even when that new flashiy one is on the fritz again.You know > > > what I mean? You've got your flashy new laptop or whatever but in an > > emergency, don't you want your old one running speakup? > > > Say your network is down and you need to make a serial port > > > connection. What do you want? I want speakup. When a machine won't > > > boot, you put in your grml CD with speakup don't you? If I'm in a > > > panic, I always just want something with speakup. > > > > > > -- > > > John G. Heim > > > jheim@math.wisc.edu 3-4189 > > > http://www.math.wisc.edu/~jheim/ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Speakup mailing list > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 66+ messages in thread
* Re: speakup is nice speakup is nice John G. Heim ` Trevor Astrope @ ` Tyler Littlefield ` David Sexton ` Installing Windows was: " John G. Heim ` al Sten-Clanton ` (3 subsequent siblings) 5 siblings, 2 replies; 66+ messages in thread From: Tyler Littlefield @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. you should make an advertizement with music. :) I'd be interested to know how you got windows to install with speakup, that'd be really cool. Thanks, Tyler Littlefield http://tysdomain.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "John G. Heim" <jheim@math.wisc.edu> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 9:40 AM Subject: speakup is nice >I think it's not said often enough. Speakup is really, really nice. Lets >face it, when the chips are down, you always fall back on speakup don't >you? I know I do. The accessible debian install,er, talking grml CD, plus >several a talking Windows installer I built myself. They all depend on >speakup. Speakup is like that old PC you have that always works even when >that new flashiy one is on the fritz again.You know what I mean? You've got >your flashy new laptop or whatever but in an emergency, don't you want your >old one running speakup? Say your network is down and you need to make a >serial port connection. What do you want? I want speakup. When a machine >won't boot, you put in your grml CD with speakup don't you? If I'm in a >panic, I always just want something with speakup. > > -- > John G. Heim > jheim@math.wisc.edu 3-4189 > http://www.math.wisc.edu/~jheim/ > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > __________ NOD32 3760 (20090112) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 66+ messages in thread
* Re: speakup is nice ` Tyler Littlefield @ ` David Sexton ` James Homuth ` Installing Windows was: " John G. Heim 1 sibling, 1 reply; 66+ messages in thread From: David Sexton @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. I wonder how much money it would cost to get some programmers to work on getting the same access for gnome or KDE as we enjoy with speakup and the shell... I'd certainly invest David Tyler Littlefield wrote: > you should make an advertizement with music. :) > I'd be interested to know how you got windows to install with speakup, > that'd be really cool. > > > Thanks, > Tyler Littlefield > http://tysdomain.com > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "John G. Heim" <jheim@math.wisc.edu> > To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." > <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> > Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 9:40 AM > Subject: speakup is nice > > >> I think it's not said often enough. Speakup is really, really nice. >> Lets face it, when the chips are down, you always fall back on >> speakup don't you? I know I do. The accessible debian install,er, >> talking grml CD, plus several a talking Windows installer I built >> myself. They all depend on speakup. Speakup is like that old PC you >> have that always works even when that new flashiy one is on the fritz >> again.You know what I mean? You've got your flashy new laptop or >> whatever but in an emergency, don't you want your old one running >> speakup? Say your network is down and you need to make a serial port >> connection. What do you want? I want speakup. When a machine won't >> boot, you put in your grml CD with speakup don't you? If I'm in a >> panic, I always just want something with speakup. >> >> -- >> John G. Heim >> jheim@math.wisc.edu 3-4189 >> http://www.math.wisc.edu/~jheim/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Speakup mailing list >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >> >> __________ NOD32 3760 (20090112) Information __________ >> >> This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >> http://www.eset.com >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 66+ messages in thread
* RE: speakup is nice ` David Sexton @ ` James Homuth ` Samuel Thibault 0 siblings, 1 reply; 66+ messages in thread From: James Homuth @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: 'Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.' I was under the impression they were trying hard to do so with Orca for the Gnome desktop. KDE may be farther away thanks to the apparent unwillingness to make any use of AT-SPI libraries. Granted, I could be wrong, but that's what I gather from its documentation. -----Original Message----- From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca] On Behalf Of David Sexton Sent: January 13, 2009 12:31 PM To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Subject: Re: speakup is nice I wonder how much money it would cost to get some programmers to work on getting the same access for gnome or KDE as we enjoy with speakup and the shell... I'd certainly invest David Tyler Littlefield wrote: > you should make an advertizement with music. :) I'd be interested to > know how you got windows to install with speakup, that'd be really > cool. > > > Thanks, > Tyler Littlefield > http://tysdomain.com > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "John G. Heim" > <jheim@math.wisc.edu> > To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." > <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> > Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 9:40 AM > Subject: speakup is nice > > >> I think it's not said often enough. Speakup is really, really nice. >> Lets face it, when the chips are down, you always fall back on >> speakup don't you? I know I do. The accessible debian install,er, >> talking grml CD, plus several a talking Windows installer I built >> myself. They all depend on speakup. Speakup is like that old PC you >> have that always works even when that new flashiy one is on the fritz >> again.You know what I mean? You've got your flashy new laptop or >> whatever but in an emergency, don't you want your old one running >> speakup? Say your network is down and you need to make a serial port >> connection. What do you want? I want speakup. When a machine won't >> boot, you put in your grml CD with speakup don't you? If I'm in a >> panic, I always just want something with speakup. >> >> -- >> John G. Heim >> jheim@math.wisc.edu 3-4189 >> http://www.math.wisc.edu/~jheim/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Speakup mailing list >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >> >> __________ NOD32 3760 (20090112) Information __________ >> >> This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >> http://www.eset.com >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > _______________________________________________ Speakup mailing list Speakup@braille.uwo.ca http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 66+ messages in thread
* Re: speakup is nice ` James Homuth @ ` Samuel Thibault ` Janina Sajka 0 siblings, 1 reply; 66+ messages in thread From: Samuel Thibault @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Hello, James Homuth, le Tue 13 Jan 2009 12:57:29 -0500, a écrit : > I was under the impression they were trying hard to do so with Orca for the > Gnome desktop. KDE may be farther away thanks to the apparent unwillingness > to make any use of AT-SPI libraries. No, the problem is not unwillingness to make use of AT-SPI, but the unwillingness to bear the weight of gnome libraries in addition to their kde libraries. This is being worked on, rebasing AT-SPI on dbus instead of bonobo. Samuel ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 66+ messages in thread
* Re: speakup is nice ` Samuel Thibault @ ` Janina Sajka 0 siblings, 0 replies; 66+ messages in thread From: Janina Sajka @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Samuel is correct. We should be starting testing later this year. Janina Samuel Thibault writes: > Hello, > > James Homuth, le Tue 13 Jan 2009 12:57:29 -0500, a écrit : > > I was under the impression they were trying hard to do so with Orca for the > > Gnome desktop. KDE may be farther away thanks to the apparent unwillingness > > to make any use of AT-SPI libraries. > > No, the problem is not unwillingness to make use of AT-SPI, but the > unwillingness to bear the weight of gnome libraries in addition to their > kde libraries. This is being worked on, rebasing AT-SPI on dbus instead > of bonobo. > > Samuel > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup -- Janina Sajka, Phone: +1.202.595.7777; sip:janina@CapitalAccessibility.Com Partner, Capital Accessibility LLC http://CapitalAccessibility.Com Marketing the Owasys 22C talking screenless cell phone in the U.S. and Canada Learn more at http://ScreenlessPhone.Com Chair, Open Accessibility janina@a11y.org Linux Foundation http://a11y.org ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 66+ messages in thread
* Installing Windows was: speakup is nice ` Tyler Littlefield ` David Sexton @ ` John G. Heim ` Gregory Nowak 1 sibling, 1 reply; 66+ messages in thread From: John G. Heim @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. To install Windows, I use an open source system which is documented here: http://unattended.sourceforge.net/ Somewhere on that site are instructions for remastering the boot CD. All you have to do is add speakup to the kernel on the boot CD. The result can be very slick. You can configure it to ask you all the usual Windows installation questions or to ask none of them. I just used this system to install Windows on a virtual machine under vmware server2.0. It was very slick. I configured the virtual machine, popped the CD into the physical drive on the PC, booted the vm and an hour later I came back to a running Windows vm. The main drawback is that you have to have a network for the thing to work at all. What it does is boot linux, runs a dos emulator, and then does a network install of Windows. So you must actually copy the Windows installation CD to your hard disk on your server. I already had the network infrastructure so I was able to set the whole thing up in 2 evenings. Oh, one more major drawback... Be prepared for a lot of work if you regularly install Windows on brand new hardware. If you have somewhat older hardware, it will probably work out of the box. But ythe linux kernel on the boot CD has to support whatever hardware you have so if you have hardware that's too new for whatever kernerl is on your CD, you have to remaster it. Oh, shoot! One more major drawback. It doesn't work with Vista. Only Windows XP. I'd presume though that you could install XP, install speech, and then upgrade to Vista. That used to work when upgrading from 95 or ME to XP. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tyler Littlefield" <tyler@tysdomain.com> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 11:18 AM Subject: Re: speakup is nice > you should make an advertizement with music. :) > I'd be interested to know how you got windows to install with speakup, > that'd be really cool. > > > Thanks, > Tyler Littlefield > http://tysdomain.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John G. Heim" <jheim@math.wisc.edu> > To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." > <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> > Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 9:40 AM > Subject: speakup is nice > > >>I think it's not said often enough. Speakup is really, really nice. Lets >>face it, when the chips are down, you always fall back on speakup don't >>you? I know I do. The accessible debian install,er, talking grml CD, plus >>several a talking Windows installer I built myself. They all depend on >>speakup. Speakup is like that old PC you have that always works even when >>that new flashiy one is on the fritz again.You know what I mean? You've >>got your flashy new laptop or whatever but in an emergency, don't you want >>your old one running speakup? Say your network is down and you need to >>make a serial port connection. What do you want? I want speakup. When a >>machine won't boot, you put in your grml CD with speakup don't you? If I'm >>in a panic, I always just want something with speakup. >> >> -- >> John G. Heim >> jheim@math.wisc.edu 3-4189 >> http://www.math.wisc.edu/~jheim/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Speakup mailing list >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >> >> __________ NOD32 3760 (20090112) Information __________ >> >> This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >> http://www.eset.com >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 66+ messages in thread
* Re: Installing Windows was: speakup is nice ` Installing Windows was: " John G. Heim @ ` Gregory Nowak ` Tyler Littlefield 0 siblings, 1 reply; 66+ messages in thread From: Gregory Nowak @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 11:53:25AM -0600, John G. Heim wrote: > Oh, shoot! One more major drawback. It doesn't work with Vista. Only > Windows XP. I'd presume though that you could install XP, install speech, > and then upgrade to Vista. That used to work when upgrading from 95 or ME > to XP. The other drawback I see here too is that this requires you to have both legal copies of xp, and an upgrade copy of vista. This could be quite expensive, assuming you want to go legal of course. Also, this is fine, as long as it's still possible to buy a copy of xp. However, once those stop being sold, and you don't have one before that happens, you're probably out of luck. Greg - -- web site: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org gpg public key: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org/pubkey.asc skype: gregn1 (authorization required, add me to your contacts list first) - -- Free domains: http://www.eu.org/ or mail dns-manager@EU.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkls+DQACgkQ7s9z/XlyUyAFOQCgmjWzbQT7bb//+R1f1nGjxfsp Ol0AoMkDD64dgMediv6TC/iCcNkXSuEA =HW6i -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 66+ messages in thread
* Re: Installing Windows was: speakup is nice ` Gregory Nowak @ ` Tyler Littlefield ` Janina Sajka 0 siblings, 1 reply; 66+ messages in thread From: Tyler Littlefield @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. I've got xp. right now, the only thing stopping me from going totally with that rather than with this crap they load is the fact that I can't get sata drivers, and any other xp install doesn't recognize it. Thanks, Tyler Littlefield http://tysdomain.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gregory Nowak" <greg@romuald.net.eu.org> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 1:23 PM Subject: Re: Installing Windows was: speakup is nice > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 11:53:25AM -0600, John G. Heim wrote: >> Oh, shoot! One more major drawback. It doesn't work with Vista. Only >> Windows XP. I'd presume though that you could install XP, install speech, >> and then upgrade to Vista. That used to work when upgrading from 95 or ME >> to XP. > > The other drawback I see here too is that this requires you to have > both legal copies of xp, and an upgrade copy of vista. This could be > quite expensive, assuming you want to go legal of course. Also, this > is fine, as long as it's still possible to buy a copy of xp. However, > once those stop being sold, and you don't have one before that > happens, you're probably out of luck. > > Greg > > > - -- > web site: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org > gpg public key: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org/pubkey.asc > skype: gregn1 > (authorization required, add me to your contacts list first) > > - -- > Free domains: http://www.eu.org/ or mail dns-manager@EU.org > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) > > iEYEARECAAYFAkls+DQACgkQ7s9z/XlyUyAFOQCgmjWzbQT7bb//+R1f1nGjxfsp > Ol0AoMkDD64dgMediv6TC/iCcNkXSuEA > =HW6i > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > __________ NOD32 3760 (20090112) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 66+ messages in thread
* Re: Installing Windows was: speakup is nice ` Tyler Littlefield @ ` Janina Sajka ` Nick Dotson ` Kerry Hoath 0 siblings, 2 replies; 66+ messages in thread From: Janina Sajka @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Windows doesn't have SATA drivers? How quaint? I've also heard their 64-bit support is behind. Is that so? Janina Tyler Littlefield writes: > I've got xp. right now, the only thing stopping me from going totally > with that rather than with this crap they load is the fact that I can't > get sata drivers, and any other xp install doesn't recognize it. > > > Thanks, > Tyler Littlefield > http://tysdomain.com > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gregory Nowak" > <greg@romuald.net.eu.org> > To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> > Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 1:23 PM > Subject: Re: Installing Windows was: speakup is nice > > >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 11:53:25AM -0600, John G. Heim wrote: >>> Oh, shoot! One more major drawback. It doesn't work with Vista. Only >>> Windows XP. I'd presume though that you could install XP, install speech, >>> and then upgrade to Vista. That used to work when upgrading from 95 or ME >>> to XP. >> >> The other drawback I see here too is that this requires you to have >> both legal copies of xp, and an upgrade copy of vista. This could be >> quite expensive, assuming you want to go legal of course. Also, this >> is fine, as long as it's still possible to buy a copy of xp. However, >> once those stop being sold, and you don't have one before that >> happens, you're probably out of luck. >> >> Greg >> >> >> - -- web site: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org >> gpg public key: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org/pubkey.asc >> skype: gregn1 >> (authorization required, add me to your contacts list first) >> >> - -- >> Free domains: http://www.eu.org/ or mail dns-manager@EU.org >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >> Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) >> >> iEYEARECAAYFAkls+DQACgkQ7s9z/XlyUyAFOQCgmjWzbQT7bb//+R1f1nGjxfsp >> Ol0AoMkDD64dgMediv6TC/iCcNkXSuEA >> =HW6i >> -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >> _______________________________________________ >> Speakup mailing list >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >> >> __________ NOD32 3760 (20090112) Information __________ >> >> This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >> http://www.eset.com >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup -- Janina Sajka, Phone: +1.202.595.7777; sip:janina@CapitalAccessibility.Com Partner, Capital Accessibility LLC http://CapitalAccessibility.Com Marketing the Owasys 22C talking screenless cell phone in the U.S. and Canada Learn more at http://ScreenlessPhone.Com Chair, Open Accessibility janina@a11y.org Linux Foundation http://a11y.org ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 66+ messages in thread
* Re: Installing Windows was: speakup is nice ` Janina Sajka @ ` Nick Dotson ` Gregory Nowak ` Tyler Littlefield ` Kerry Hoath 1 sibling, 2 replies; 66+ messages in thread From: Nick Dotson @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Wrong! I'm using them under XP Home Pro and Vista. Nick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@rednote.net> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 10:12 AM Subject: Re: Installing Windows was: speakup is nice > Windows doesn't have SATA drivers? How quaint? > > I've also heard their 64-bit support is behind. Is that so? > > Janina > > Tyler Littlefield writes: >> I've got xp. right now, the only thing stopping me from going totally >> with that rather than with this crap they load is the fact that I can't >> get sata drivers, and any other xp install doesn't recognize it. >> >> >> Thanks, >> Tyler Littlefield >> http://tysdomain.com >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gregory Nowak" >> <greg@romuald.net.eu.org> >> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." >> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> >> Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 1:23 PM >> Subject: Re: Installing Windows was: speakup is nice >> >> >>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>> Hash: SHA1 >>> >>> On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 11:53:25AM -0600, John G. Heim wrote: >>>> Oh, shoot! One more major drawback. It doesn't work with Vista. Only >>>> Windows XP. I'd presume though that you could install XP, install >>>> speech, >>>> and then upgrade to Vista. That used to work when upgrading from 95 or >>>> ME >>>> to XP. >>> >>> The other drawback I see here too is that this requires you to have >>> both legal copies of xp, and an upgrade copy of vista. This could be >>> quite expensive, assuming you want to go legal of course. Also, this >>> is fine, as long as it's still possible to buy a copy of xp. However, >>> once those stop being sold, and you don't have one before that >>> happens, you're probably out of luck. >>> >>> Greg >>> >>> >>> - -- web site: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org >>> gpg public key: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org/pubkey.asc >>> skype: gregn1 >>> (authorization required, add me to your contacts list first) >>> >>> - -- >>> Free domains: http://www.eu.org/ or mail dns-manager@EU.org >>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >>> Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) >>> >>> iEYEARECAAYFAkls+DQACgkQ7s9z/XlyUyAFOQCgmjWzbQT7bb//+R1f1nGjxfsp >>> Ol0AoMkDD64dgMediv6TC/iCcNkXSuEA >>> =HW6i >>> -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Speakup mailing list >>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >>> >>> __________ NOD32 3760 (20090112) Information __________ >>> >>> This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >>> http://www.eset.com >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Speakup mailing list >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > -- > > Janina Sajka, Phone: +1.202.595.7777; > sip:janina@CapitalAccessibility.Com > Partner, Capital Accessibility LLC http://CapitalAccessibility.Com > > Marketing the Owasys 22C talking screenless cell phone in the U.S. and > Canada > Learn more at http://ScreenlessPhone.Com > > Chair, Open Accessibility janina@a11y.org > Linux Foundation http://a11y.org > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 270.10.14/1920 - Release Date: 1/27/2009 6:15 PM ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 66+ messages in thread
* Re: Installing Windows was: speakup is nice ` Nick Dotson @ ` Gregory Nowak ` Nick Dotson ` Kerry Hoath ` Tyler Littlefield 1 sibling, 2 replies; 66+ messages in thread From: Gregory Nowak @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@rednote.net> >> Windows doesn't have SATA drivers? How quaint? On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 05:28:05PM -0600, Nick Dotson wrote: > Wrong! I'm using them under XP Home Pro and Vista. Vista does have sata drivers as far as I know. Xp home and pro are a different story though, because they don't in fact come with sata drivers. From what I know, the way to install xp onto a system with only sata controllers is to get the drivers for that controller for xp from the manufacturer, and choose the option during xp install that lets you add additional drivers, before xp goes searching for drives, and doing the rest of the install. I do stand to be corrected here though, but that's what I know. Things might have changed for a xp cd with sp3 integrated, but it would surprise me if that's actually the case. Greg - -- web site: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org gpg public key: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org/pubkey.asc skype: gregn1 (authorization required, add me to your contacts list first) - -- Free domains: http://www.eu.org/ or mail dns-manager@EU.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkmA9bcACgkQ7s9z/XlyUyCgAwCggZmRwY+E3lQGRFPQXnxS6DXe Jw0An1fw65hYGgfFXUtlQh5RWAbFFF7S =G5T3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 66+ messages in thread
* Re: Installing Windows was: speakup is nice ` Gregory Nowak @ ` Nick Dotson ` Kerry Hoath 1 sibling, 0 replies; 66+ messages in thread From: Nick Dotson @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Last 3 XP boxes I bought all came with SATA DVD and hard drives--but I didn't build them so don't know the ins and outs of how they got things going... Nick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gregory Nowak" <greg@romuald.net.eu.org> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 6:17 PM Subject: Re: Installing Windows was: speakup is nice > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@rednote.net> >>> Windows doesn't have SATA drivers? How quaint? > > On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 05:28:05PM -0600, Nick Dotson wrote: >> Wrong! I'm using them under XP Home Pro and Vista. > > Vista does have sata drivers as far as I know. Xp home and pro are a > different story though, because they don't in fact come with sata > drivers. From what I know, the way to install xp onto a system with > only sata controllers is to get the drivers for that controller for xp > from the manufacturer, and choose the option during xp install that > lets you add additional drivers, before xp goes searching for drives, > and doing the rest of the install. I do stand to be corrected here > though, but that's what I know. > > Things might have changed for a xp cd with sp3 integrated, but it > would surprise me if that's actually the case. > > Greg > > > - -- > web site: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org > gpg public key: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org/pubkey.asc > skype: gregn1 > (authorization required, add me to your contacts list first) > > - -- > Free domains: http://www.eu.org/ or mail dns-manager@EU.org > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) > > iEYEARECAAYFAkmA9bcACgkQ7s9z/XlyUyCgAwCggZmRwY+E3lQGRFPQXnxS6DXe > Jw0An1fw65hYGgfFXUtlQh5RWAbFFF7S > =G5T3 > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 270.10.14/1920 - Release Date: 1/27/2009 6:15 PM ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 66+ messages in thread
* Re: Installing Windows was: speakup is nice ` Gregory Nowak ` Nick Dotson @ ` Kerry Hoath ` Cody 1 sibling, 1 reply; 66+ messages in thread From: Kerry Hoath @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Consider yourself corrected, a disk with sp2 has some sata drivers in it, sp3 has more. You still might need to put drivers in such as the intel ahci drivers with the f6 method or slipstream. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gregory Nowak" <greg@romuald.net.eu.org> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 9:17 AM Subject: Re: Installing Windows was: speakup is nice > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@rednote.net> >>> Windows doesn't have SATA drivers? How quaint? > > On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 05:28:05PM -0600, Nick Dotson wrote: >> Wrong! I'm using them under XP Home Pro and Vista. > > Vista does have sata drivers as far as I know. Xp home and pro are a > different story though, because they don't in fact come with sata > drivers. From what I know, the way to install xp onto a system with > only sata controllers is to get the drivers for that controller for xp > from the manufacturer, and choose the option during xp install that > lets you add additional drivers, before xp goes searching for drives, > and doing the rest of the install. I do stand to be corrected here > though, but that's what I know. > > Things might have changed for a xp cd with sp3 integrated, but it > would surprise me if that's actually the case. > > Greg > > > - -- > web site: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org > gpg public key: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org/pubkey.asc > skype: gregn1 > (authorization required, add me to your contacts list first) > > - -- > Free domains: http://www.eu.org/ or mail dns-manager@EU.org > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) > > iEYEARECAAYFAkmA9bcACgkQ7s9z/XlyUyCgAwCggZmRwY+E3lQGRFPQXnxS6DXe > Jw0An1fw65hYGgfFXUtlQh5RWAbFFF7S > =G5T3 > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 66+ messages in thread
* Re: Installing Windows was: speakup is nice ` Kerry Hoath @ ` Cody 0 siblings, 0 replies; 66+ messages in thread From: Cody @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. If I may comment here, I do recall recently installing xp on a newer compaq laptop and the issue was not the drivers, but rather I had to disable native sata support in the bios for it to work. I had to do this on several machines and the install went fine. I then installed the sata drivers from the manufacturer after xp was installed. Cody' ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kerry Hoath" <kerry@gotss.net> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 7:37 PM Subject: Re: Installing Windows was: speakup is nice > Consider yourself corrected, > a disk with sp2 has some sata drivers in it, sp3 has more. > You still might need to put drivers in such as the intel ahci drivers with > the f6 method or slipstream. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gregory Nowak" <greg@romuald.net.eu.org> > To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." > <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> > Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 9:17 AM > Subject: Re: Installing Windows was: speakup is nice > > >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@rednote.net> >>>> Windows doesn't have SATA drivers? How quaint? >> >> On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 05:28:05PM -0600, Nick Dotson wrote: >>> Wrong! I'm using them under XP Home Pro and Vista. >> >> Vista does have sata drivers as far as I know. Xp home and pro are a >> different story though, because they don't in fact come with sata >> drivers. From what I know, the way to install xp onto a system with >> only sata controllers is to get the drivers for that controller for xp >> from the manufacturer, and choose the option during xp install that >> lets you add additional drivers, before xp goes searching for drives, >> and doing the rest of the install. I do stand to be corrected here >> though, but that's what I know. >> >> Things might have changed for a xp cd with sp3 integrated, but it >> would surprise me if that's actually the case. >> >> Greg >> >> >> - -- >> web site: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org >> gpg public key: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org/pubkey.asc >> skype: gregn1 >> (authorization required, add me to your contacts list first) >> >> - -- >> Free domains: http://www.eu.org/ or mail dns-manager@EU.org >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >> Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) >> >> iEYEARECAAYFAkmA9bcACgkQ7s9z/XlyUyCgAwCggZmRwY+E3lQGRFPQXnxS6DXe >> Jw0An1fw65hYGgfFXUtlQh5RWAbFFF7S >> =G5T3 >> -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >> _______________________________________________ >> Speakup mailing list >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >> > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 66+ messages in thread
* Re: Installing Windows was: speakup is nice ` Nick Dotson ` Gregory Nowak @ ` Tyler Littlefield ` Nick Dotson 1 sibling, 1 reply; 66+ messages in thread From: Tyler Littlefield @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. > Windows doesn't have SATA drivers? How quaint? It does, but you can't boot with a normal cd, least not the ones I have, if you buy a laptop from gw, and toshiba for sure. You need to make an image of the cd with the extracted driver, which I haven't had the pacients to do. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nick Dotson" <nickdotson@bellsouth.net> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 3:28 PM Subject: Re: Installing Windows was: speakup is nice > Wrong! I'm using them under XP Home Pro and Vista. > > Nick > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@rednote.net> > To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." > <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> > Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 10:12 AM > Subject: Re: Installing Windows was: speakup is nice > > >> Windows doesn't have SATA drivers? How quaint? >> >> I've also heard their 64-bit support is behind. Is that so? >> >> Janina >> >> Tyler Littlefield writes: >>> I've got xp. right now, the only thing stopping me from going totally >>> with that rather than with this crap they load is the fact that I can't >>> get sata drivers, and any other xp install doesn't recognize it. >>> >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Tyler Littlefield >>> http://tysdomain.com >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gregory Nowak" >>> <greg@romuald.net.eu.org> >>> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." >>> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> >>> Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 1:23 PM >>> Subject: Re: Installing Windows was: speakup is nice >>> >>> >>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>>> Hash: SHA1 >>>> >>>> On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 11:53:25AM -0600, John G. Heim wrote: >>>>> Oh, shoot! One more major drawback. It doesn't work with Vista. Only >>>>> Windows XP. I'd presume though that you could install XP, install >>>>> speech, >>>>> and then upgrade to Vista. That used to work when upgrading from 95 or >>>>> ME >>>>> to XP. >>>> >>>> The other drawback I see here too is that this requires you to have >>>> both legal copies of xp, and an upgrade copy of vista. This could be >>>> quite expensive, assuming you want to go legal of course. Also, this >>>> is fine, as long as it's still possible to buy a copy of xp. However, >>>> once those stop being sold, and you don't have one before that >>>> happens, you're probably out of luck. >>>> >>>> Greg >>>> >>>> >>>> - -- web site: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org >>>> gpg public key: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org/pubkey.asc >>>> skype: gregn1 >>>> (authorization required, add me to your contacts list first) >>>> >>>> - -- >>>> Free domains: http://www.eu.org/ or mail dns-manager@EU.org >>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >>>> Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) >>>> >>>> iEYEARECAAYFAkls+DQACgkQ7s9z/XlyUyAFOQCgmjWzbQT7bb//+R1f1nGjxfsp >>>> Ol0AoMkDD64dgMediv6TC/iCcNkXSuEA >>>> =HW6i >>>> -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Speakup mailing list >>>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >>>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >>>> >>>> __________ NOD32 3760 (20090112) Information __________ >>>> >>>> This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >>>> http://www.eset.com >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Speakup mailing list >>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >> >> -- >> >> Janina Sajka, Phone: +1.202.595.7777; >> sip:janina@CapitalAccessibility.Com >> Partner, Capital Accessibility LLC http://CapitalAccessibility.Com >> >> Marketing the Owasys 22C talking screenless cell phone in the U.S. and >> Canada >> Learn more at http://ScreenlessPhone.Com >> >> Chair, Open Accessibility janina@a11y.org >> Linux Foundation http://a11y.org >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Speakup mailing list >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 270.10.14/1920 - Release Date: > 1/27/2009 6:15 PM > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 66+ messages in thread
* Re: Installing Windows was: speakup is nice ` Tyler Littlefield @ ` Nick Dotson 0 siblings, 0 replies; 66+ messages in thread From: Nick Dotson @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Often booting from a CD is a BIOS option--bummer for us if turned off initially... Nick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tyler Littlefield" <tyler@tysdomain.com> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 6:29 PM Subject: Re: Installing Windows was: speakup is nice >> Windows doesn't have SATA drivers? How quaint? > It does, but you can't boot with a normal cd, least not the ones I have, > if > you buy a laptop from gw, and toshiba for sure. You need to make an image > of > the cd with the extracted driver, which I haven't had the pacients to do. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Nick Dotson" <nickdotson@bellsouth.net> > To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." > <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> > Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 3:28 PM > Subject: Re: Installing Windows was: speakup is nice > > >> Wrong! I'm using them under XP Home Pro and Vista. >> >> Nick >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@rednote.net> >> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." >> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> >> Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 10:12 AM >> Subject: Re: Installing Windows was: speakup is nice >> >> >>> Windows doesn't have SATA drivers? How quaint? >>> >>> I've also heard their 64-bit support is behind. Is that so? >>> >>> Janina >>> >>> Tyler Littlefield writes: >>>> I've got xp. right now, the only thing stopping me from going totally >>>> with that rather than with this crap they load is the fact that I can't >>>> get sata drivers, and any other xp install doesn't recognize it. >>>> >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Tyler Littlefield >>>> http://tysdomain.com >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gregory Nowak" >>>> <greg@romuald.net.eu.org> >>>> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." >>>> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 1:23 PM >>>> Subject: Re: Installing Windows was: speakup is nice >>>> >>>> >>>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>>>> Hash: SHA1 >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 11:53:25AM -0600, John G. Heim wrote: >>>>>> Oh, shoot! One more major drawback. It doesn't work with Vista. Only >>>>>> Windows XP. I'd presume though that you could install XP, install >>>>>> speech, >>>>>> and then upgrade to Vista. That used to work when upgrading from 95 >>>>>> or >>>>>> ME >>>>>> to XP. >>>>> >>>>> The other drawback I see here too is that this requires you to have >>>>> both legal copies of xp, and an upgrade copy of vista. This could be >>>>> quite expensive, assuming you want to go legal of course. Also, this >>>>> is fine, as long as it's still possible to buy a copy of xp. However, >>>>> once those stop being sold, and you don't have one before that >>>>> happens, you're probably out of luck. >>>>> >>>>> Greg >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> - -- web site: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org >>>>> gpg public key: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org/pubkey.asc >>>>> skype: gregn1 >>>>> (authorization required, add me to your contacts list first) >>>>> >>>>> - -- >>>>> Free domains: http://www.eu.org/ or mail dns-manager@EU.org >>>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >>>>> Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) >>>>> >>>>> iEYEARECAAYFAkls+DQACgkQ7s9z/XlyUyAFOQCgmjWzbQT7bb//+R1f1nGjxfsp >>>>> Ol0AoMkDD64dgMediv6TC/iCcNkXSuEA >>>>> =HW6i >>>>> -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Speakup mailing list >>>>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >>>>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >>>>> >>>>> __________ NOD32 3760 (20090112) Information __________ >>>>> >>>>> This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >>>>> http://www.eset.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Speakup mailing list >>>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >>>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Janina Sajka, Phone: +1.202.595.7777; >>> sip:janina@CapitalAccessibility.Com >>> Partner, Capital Accessibility LLC http://CapitalAccessibility.Com >>> >>> Marketing the Owasys 22C talking screenless cell phone in the U.S. and >>> Canada >>> Learn more at http://ScreenlessPhone.Com >>> >>> Chair, Open Accessibility janina@a11y.org >>> Linux Foundation http://a11y.org >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Speakup mailing list >>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG. >> Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 270.10.14/1920 - Release Date: >> 1/27/2009 6:15 PM >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Speakup mailing list >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. 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* Re: Installing Windows was: speakup is nice ` Janina Sajka ` Nick Dotson @ ` Kerry Hoath 1 sibling, 0 replies; 66+ messages in thread From: Kerry Hoath @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. This is rubbish. Of course Windows has Sata drivers, however not all are supported with the standard install disks. the same is true of Linux if your kernels are too old. If you have an sp2 xp disk, it supports some Sata chips, sp3 supports more. It doesn't support every controller, and drivers can be added at install by pressing f6 during text mode or added to the disk see below. You can of course slipstream your own sata drivers in if they are not supported using nlite, or do it manually. If your machine is set to use ahci, you need ahci drivers in Windows which they aren't by default. Ahci is good to have, it allows Sata hotswap on chipsets that support it and allows native command queuing. You can switch your drives back to legacy mode, which will allow the OS to see them at install time without special drivers. There are ways of getting drives back into ahci mode after install but they involve registry hacking and risk. The same is true for Linux if switching to ahci remaps the data, you won't see your stuff. (this is rare but can happen) Linux won't find the hard drive on my mininote if it is in legacy mode, but it will find it if ahci is enabled. Many people see their drives not showing up under an installer of either OS and panick, rather than tracking down the cause (which I conceed is not allways easy). This situation still exists under Linux if your hardware is esoteric, wireless hardware in the new netbooks and unsupported desktop chipsets will do this to you also. I have also had esoteric network interfaces not come up. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@rednote.net> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 1:12 AM Subject: Re: Installing Windows was: speakup is nice > Windows doesn't have SATA drivers? How quaint? > > I've also heard their 64-bit support is behind. Is that so? > > Janina > > Tyler Littlefield writes: >> I've got xp. right now, the only thing stopping me from going totally >> with that rather than with this crap they load is the fact that I can't >> get sata drivers, and any other xp install doesn't recognize it. >> >> >> Thanks, >> Tyler Littlefield >> http://tysdomain.com >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gregory Nowak" >> <greg@romuald.net.eu.org> >> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." >> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> >> Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 1:23 PM >> Subject: Re: Installing Windows was: speakup is nice >> >> >>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>> Hash: SHA1 >>> >>> On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 11:53:25AM -0600, John G. Heim wrote: >>>> Oh, shoot! One more major drawback. It doesn't work with Vista. Only >>>> Windows XP. I'd presume though that you could install XP, install >>>> speech, >>>> and then upgrade to Vista. That used to work when upgrading from 95 or >>>> ME >>>> to XP. >>> >>> The other drawback I see here too is that this requires you to have >>> both legal copies of xp, and an upgrade copy of vista. This could be >>> quite expensive, assuming you want to go legal of course. Also, this >>> is fine, as long as it's still possible to buy a copy of xp. However, >>> once those stop being sold, and you don't have one before that >>> happens, you're probably out of luck. >>> >>> Greg >>> >>> >>> - -- web site: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org >>> gpg public key: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org/pubkey.asc >>> skype: gregn1 >>> (authorization required, add me to your contacts list first) >>> >>> - -- >>> Free domains: http://www.eu.org/ or mail dns-manager@EU.org >>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >>> Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) >>> >>> iEYEARECAAYFAkls+DQACgkQ7s9z/XlyUyAFOQCgmjWzbQT7bb//+R1f1nGjxfsp >>> Ol0AoMkDD64dgMediv6TC/iCcNkXSuEA >>> =HW6i >>> -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Speakup mailing list >>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >>> >>> __________ NOD32 3760 (20090112) Information __________ >>> >>> This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >>> http://www.eset.com >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Speakup mailing list >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > -- > > Janina Sajka, Phone: +1.202.595.7777; > sip:janina@CapitalAccessibility.Com > Partner, Capital Accessibility LLC http://CapitalAccessibility.Com > > Marketing the Owasys 22C talking screenless cell phone in the U.S. and > Canada > Learn more at http://ScreenlessPhone.Com > > Chair, Open Accessibility janina@a11y.org > Linux Foundation http://a11y.org > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 66+ messages in thread
* RE: speakup is nice speakup is nice John G. Heim ` Trevor Astrope ` Tyler Littlefield @ ` al Sten-Clanton ` Kirk Reiser ` (2 subsequent siblings) 5 siblings, 0 replies; 66+ messages in thread From: al Sten-Clanton @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: 'Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.' Hey, John, you sure have that right! Al -----Original Message----- From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca] On Behalf Of John G. Heim Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 11:40 AM To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Subject: speakup is nice I think it's not said often enough. Speakup is really, really nice. Lets face it, when the chips are down, you always fall back on speakup don't you? I know I do. The accessible debian install,er, talking grml CD, plus several a talking Windows installer I built myself. They all depend on speakup. Speakup is like that old PC you have that always works even when that new flashiy one is on the fritz again.You know what I mean? You've got your flashy new laptop or whatever but in an emergency, don't you want your old one running speakup? Say your network is down and you need to make a serial port connection. What do you want? I want speakup. When a machine won't boot, you put in your grml CD with speakup don't you? If I'm in a panic, I always just want something with speakup. -- John G. Heim jheim@math.wisc.edu 3-4189 http://www.math.wisc.edu/~jheim/ _______________________________________________ Speakup mailing list Speakup@braille.uwo.ca http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 66+ messages in thread
* Re: speakup is nice speakup is nice John G. Heim ` (2 preceding siblings ...) ` al Sten-Clanton @ ` Kirk Reiser ` John G. Heim ` speakup is nice Gaijin ` Janina Sajka 5 siblings, 1 reply; 66+ messages in thread From: Kirk Reiser @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Thanks John and all. You have no idea how nice that is to hear. Kirk -- Kirk Reiser The Computer Braille Facility e-mail: kirk@braille.uwo.ca University of Western Ontario phone: (519) 661-3061 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 66+ messages in thread
* Re: speakup is nice ` Kirk Reiser @ ` John G. Heim ` Terry D. Cudney 0 siblings, 1 reply; 66+ messages in thread From: John G. Heim @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Seriously, Kirk, your work is probably why I'm employed today. I have no musical talent. Lord knows I've tried. :-) You should be very proud of what you've accomplished and how many people you have helped. And no, I an not looking to borrow some money. :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kirk Reiser" <kirk@braille.uwo.ca> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 12:07 PM Subject: Re: speakup is nice > Thanks John and all. You have no idea how nice that is to hear. > > Kirk > -- > Kirk Reiser The Computer Braille Facility > e-mail: kirk@braille.uwo.ca University of Western Ontario > phone: (519) 661-3061 > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 66+ messages in thread
* Re: speakup is nice ` John G. Heim @ ` Terry D. Cudney ` Gregory Nowak ` (2 more replies) 0 siblings, 3 replies; 66+ messages in thread From: Terry D. Cudney @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Hi all, We usually don't say anything, unless we have a problem. That's probably why we don't often say anything about speakup... It just works! So, yes, thanks to Kirk and all the others who have worked to make speakup what it is. Why do we want access to the gui? Only because the majority of the computer users in the world are sighted and they like to point-and-click. If we had a java/javascript-enabled browser that worked in the cli with speakup, I don't think we'd be looking at orca or other gui access schemes at all. Speakup lets us do everything we need to do in the command line environment! thanks again, Kirk et al. --terry -- Name: Terry D. Cudney Phone: 705-812-4949 SIP: 8978@ekiga.net E-mail: terry@octothorp.org Having a smoking section in a restaurant is like... having a peeing sectionin a swimming pool. Tired of technology? Check this out: http://www.shibumi.org/eoti.htm ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 66+ messages in thread
* Re: speakup is nice ` Terry D. Cudney @ ` Gregory Nowak ` Rynhardt Kruger ` Glenn Ervin ` Why we want gui [Was: speakup is nice] Janina Sajka 2 siblings, 1 reply; 66+ messages in thread From: Gregory Nowak @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 03:10:10PM -0500, Terry D. Cudney wrote: > Why do we want access to the gui? Only because the majority of the computer users in the world are sighted and they like to point-and-click. If we had a java/javascript-enabled browser that worked in the cli with speakup, I don't think we'd be looking at orca or other gui access schemes at all. Here here! Also, I'll throw in my own bit here, by saying that if it wasn't for speakup, I'd probably still be stuck in windows 24/7. I remember wanting to play with something called redhat somewhere around 1996/1997, but I knew at the time of no way to get it to talk, so I went from dos to using win95 instead. It wasn't until somewhere around late 2000, when windows started really getting to me with everyday use, that I investigated again, and found linux-speakup.org, and even install media for some distros, which would let me do the install independently! My biggest hurdle after that was to learn how to use this think called gnu/linux, and by extension the unix systems, but I think I haven't done badly there either, again in part to the helpful folks on this list. I also wouldn't ever have tried netbsd without speakup. While I could still have installed via a serial console, and ssh in from windows, given the comfort of using ssh in windows when compared to using it from gnu/linux with speakup, I think that in itself would have made me give up shortly after starting, assuming I did in the first place. So, yes indeed, thanks to you Kirk, and the rest of those who made, and continue to make speakup happen. Greg - -- web site: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org gpg public key: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org/pubkey.asc skype: gregn1 (authorization required, add me to your contacts list first) - -- Free domains: http://www.eu.org/ or mail dns-manager@EU.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkls+94ACgkQ7s9z/XlyUyClZQCgysFrYTM3WUWF7bwq5RJe2l5W sqsAoNqTE+tc9HSKITb7gif916PtkRza =PAQN -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 66+ messages in thread
* Re: speakup is nice ` Gregory Nowak @ ` Rynhardt Kruger 0 siblings, 0 replies; 66+ messages in thread From: Rynhardt Kruger @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi, I totally agree! Speakup is surely the fastest modern screen reader. I prefer the cli with speakup over crowded GUIs with windows, panels and toolbars which is more in the way than anything else. btw, the project at http://netrik.sourceforge.net looks like it can become the java/javascript browser for the console that we need so much. Take care, Rynhardt On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 01:38:54PM -0700, Gregory Nowak wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 03:10:10PM -0500, Terry D. Cudney wrote: > > Why do we want access to the gui? Only because the majority of the computer users in the world are sighted and they like to point-and-click. If we had a java/javascript-enabled browser that worked in the cli with speakup, I don't think we'd be looking at orca or other gui access schemes at all. > > Here here! > > Also, I'll throw in my own bit here, by saying that if it wasn't for > speakup, I'd probably still be stuck in windows 24/7. I remember > wanting to play with something called redhat somewhere around > 1996/1997, but I knew at the time of no way to get it to talk, so I > went from dos to using win95 instead. It wasn't until somewhere around > late 2000, when windows started really getting to me with everyday > use, that I investigated again, and found linux-speakup.org, and even > install media for some distros, which would let me do the install > independently! My biggest hurdle after that was to learn how to use > this think called gnu/linux, and by extension the unix systems, but I > think I haven't done badly there either, again in part to the helpful > folks on this list. > > I also wouldn't ever have tried netbsd without speakup. While I could > still have installed via a serial console, and ssh in from windows, > given the comfort of using ssh in windows when compared to using it > from gnu/linux with speakup, I think that in itself would have made me > give up shortly after starting, assuming I did in the first place. > > So, yes indeed, thanks to you Kirk, and the rest of those who made, > and continue to make speakup happen. > > Greg > > > - -- > web site: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org > gpg public key: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org/pubkey.asc > skype: gregn1 > (authorization required, add me to your contacts list first) > > - -- > Free domains: http://www.eu.org/ or mail dns-manager@EU.org > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) > > iEYEARECAAYFAkls+94ACgkQ7s9z/XlyUyClZQCgysFrYTM3WUWF7bwq5RJe2l5W > sqsAoNqTE+tc9HSKITb7gif916PtkRza > =PAQN > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkls/0oACgkQ/bwpjrGDwszsUACglT6zwGDJcT8JeFrgnLSBYBhV kvEAnReiC4n7LUmJmRHGfqacih7g7jW+ =oU3f -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 66+ messages in thread
* Re: speakup is nice ` Terry D. Cudney ` Gregory Nowak @ ` Glenn Ervin ` Why we want gui [Was: speakup is nice] Janina Sajka 2 siblings, 0 replies; 66+ messages in thread From: Glenn Ervin @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Hi Terry, I started with DOS, and hated Windows, because it was so inaccessible for so long. Then I started into Linux with SpeakUp, and found it to work well, but it involves a lot of typing. Nothing wrong with typing, as I can type about 45 words per minute. Now, along with windows, I use Ubuntu, with Orca, and although I use the terminal a good deal of the time, I prefer the GUI. It has nothing to do with sight. People seem to think that the GUI is a sighted thing. Actually, it is easier for us too, as we can do much with less typing. The only thing I have against SpeakUp is the weird keyboard navigation keys. I think that the mapping that JFW uses is much more intuitive. But I have to say that Speakup is otherwise a great product for us to have. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Terry D. Cudney" <terry.cudney@gmail.com> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 2:10 PM Subject: Re: speakup is nice Hi all, We usually don't say anything, unless we have a problem. That's probably why we don't often say anything about speakup... It just works! So, yes, thanks to Kirk and all the others who have worked to make speakup what it is. Why do we want access to the gui? Only because the majority of the computer users in the world are sighted and they like to point-and-click. If we had a java/javascript-enabled browser that worked in the cli with speakup, I don't think we'd be looking at orca or other gui access schemes at all. Speakup lets us do everything we need to do in the command line environment! thanks again, Kirk et al. --terry -- Name: Terry D. Cudney Phone: 705-812-4949 SIP: 8978@ekiga.net E-mail: terry@octothorp.org Having a smoking section in a restaurant is like... having a peeing sectionin a swimming pool. Tired of technology? Check this out: http://www.shibumi.org/eoti.htm _______________________________________________ Speakup mailing list Speakup@braille.uwo.ca http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) Database version: 5.11530 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) Database version: 5.11530 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 66+ messages in thread
* Why we want gui [Was: speakup is nice] ` Terry D. Cudney ` Gregory Nowak ` Glenn Ervin @ ` Janina Sajka ` James Homuth ` (2 more replies) 2 siblings, 3 replies; 66+ messages in thread From: Janina Sajka @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Terry D. Cudney writes: > Why do we want access to the gui? Only because the majority of the computer users in the world are sighted and they like to point-and-click. If we had a java/javascript-enabled browser that worked in the cli with speakup, I don't think we'd be looking at orca or other gui access schemes at all. > Actually, what we want is object access. To the sighted this is delivered graphically. To us it's delivered as textual data provided by those same objects when applications are built with toolkits that support accessibility. It would be possible, theoretically speaking, to construct object oriented applications whose controls were exclusively textual. But this is not going to happen. Ncurses will never become gtk2. As an example of what I'm talking about, I suspect you'll find the Gnome Volume Manager more accessible with Orca than alsamixer with Speakup. Please note I said alsamixer, and not amixer. Of course, you're correct to say that sighted people prefer gui. And why shouldn't they? Why should they be limited to 8 colors and mono-spaced fonts, as in WordPerfect 5.1, when they (and we) can have all that plus 16 million colors for them, to say nothing of all kinds of embedded media objects in Open Office? That would be as silly as expecting us, mostly with great hearing, to agree to go on with dampened sonic input. If you've got it, flaunt it, I say. Just remember to do unto others as you'd have them do unto you. Accessibility isn't about asking others to do with less, after all. Janina ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 66+ messages in thread
* RE: Why we want gui [Was: speakup is nice] ` Why we want gui [Was: speakup is nice] Janina Sajka @ ` James Homuth ` Michael Whapples ` Why we want gui [Was: speakup is nice] Gaijin 2 siblings, 0 replies; 66+ messages in thread From: James Homuth @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: 'Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.' If I'm sitting in front of a machine, I generally prefer a GUI. Not so much because of any visual ability, per say. But rather, because doing certain things via a GUI is often times faster. Plus, there's times when I just plain don't feel like entering half a dozen different commands just to accomplish changing a setting or two. I know it's not a real example, but I'll use it anyway. If I want to increase the volume on a friend's computer because I can barely hear it, I shouldn't have to remember that I can't just do "echo 4 > /proc/volume" like I can on my system, for example. -----Original Message----- From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca] On Behalf Of Janina Sajka Sent: January 19, 2009 11:30 AM To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Subject: Why we want gui [Was: speakup is nice] Terry D. Cudney writes: > Why do we want access to the gui? Only because the majority of the computer users in the world are sighted and they like to point-and-click. If we had a java/javascript-enabled browser that worked in the cli with speakup, I don't think we'd be looking at orca or other gui access schemes at all. > Actually, what we want is object access. To the sighted this is delivered graphically. To us it's delivered as textual data provided by those same objects when applications are built with toolkits that support accessibility. It would be possible, theoretically speaking, to construct object oriented applications whose controls were exclusively textual. But this is not going to happen. Ncurses will never become gtk2. As an example of what I'm talking about, I suspect you'll find the Gnome Volume Manager more accessible with Orca than alsamixer with Speakup. Please note I said alsamixer, and not amixer. Of course, you're correct to say that sighted people prefer gui. And why shouldn't they? Why should they be limited to 8 colors and mono-spaced fonts, as in WordPerfect 5.1, when they (and we) can have all that plus 16 million colors for them, to say nothing of all kinds of embedded media objects in Open Office? That would be as silly as expecting us, mostly with great hearing, to agree to go on with dampened sonic input. If you've got it, flaunt it, I say. Just remember to do unto others as you'd have them do unto you. Accessibility isn't about asking others to do with less, after all. Janina _______________________________________________ Speakup mailing list Speakup@braille.uwo.ca http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 66+ messages in thread
* Re: Why we want gui [Was: speakup is nice] ` Why we want gui [Was: speakup is nice] Janina Sajka ` James Homuth @ ` Michael Whapples ` Hello and qeustion about SpeakUp James & Nash ` Why we want gui [Was: speakup is nice] Gaijin 2 siblings, 1 reply; 66+ messages in thread From: Michael Whapples @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Hello, As you say Janina people do need the best for them. Sighted people may gain from all the graphical features of a GUI, and I do gain some improvements in certain areas when using gnome (eg. structural navigation with orca in firefox), but for other tasks I am certainly faster in a text console with speakup (may be thats because I am a good typist and at times orca can also be quite slow to respond even though it is improving). What is really needed is choice, and Linux and all the tools for it do give me choice. This is why I like Linux so much, I can choose what environment is right for me to do particular tasks (my choices may not be the same as yours, but you are free to make your own). Michael Whapples On Mon, 2009-01-19 at 11:30 -0500, Janina Sajka wrote: > Terry D. Cudney writes: > > Why do we want access to the gui? Only because the majority of the computer users in the world are sighted and they like to point-and-click. If we had a java/javascript-enabled browser that worked in the cli with speakup, I don't think we'd be looking at orca or other gui access schemes at all. > > > > Actually, what we want is object access. To the sighted this is > delivered graphically. To us it's delivered as textual data provided by > those same objects when applications are built with toolkits that > support accessibility. > > It would be possible, theoretically speaking, to construct object > oriented applications whose controls were exclusively textual. But this > is not going to happen. Ncurses will never become gtk2. > > As an example of what I'm talking about, I suspect you'll find the Gnome > Volume Manager more accessible with Orca than alsamixer with Speakup. > Please note I said alsamixer, and not amixer. > > Of course, you're correct to say that sighted people prefer gui. And why > shouldn't they? Why should they be limited to 8 colors and mono-spaced > fonts, as in WordPerfect 5.1, when they (and we) can have all that plus > 16 million colors for them, to say nothing of all kinds of embedded > media objects in Open Office? That would be as silly as expecting us, > mostly with great hearing, to agree to go on with dampened sonic input. > > If you've got it, flaunt it, I say. Just remember to do unto others as > you'd have them do unto you. Accessibility isn't about asking others to > do with less, after all. > > Janina > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 66+ messages in thread
* Hello and qeustion about SpeakUp ` Michael Whapples @ ` James & Nash ` Michael Whapples 0 siblings, 1 reply; 66+ messages in thread From: James & Nash @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Hello. My name is James and I have just joined ths list. I hope I will learn a lot and hopefully contribute in time. Am I correct in thinking that there is a software synthesizer for Speak UP and that you can have both Speak Up and Orca running on the same system? If so, how would I go about installing Speak Up in Ubuntu and does this mean that I could have speech at start up and in every part of Linux with both Screen Readers? Thanks James ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 66+ messages in thread
* Re: Hello and qeustion about SpeakUp ` Hello and qeustion about SpeakUp James & Nash @ ` Michael Whapples ` James & Nash 0 siblings, 1 reply; 66+ messages in thread From: Michael Whapples @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Hello, You are correct about the software speech output for speakup, it depends on which synthesiser you want to use as to what software you will need to get it. If you want to use espeak, then use the espeakup software. If you have IBMtts (viavoice) then there is a speakup connector for it at the ttsynth website. If you want to use another synthesiser supported by speech-dispatcher then you will need speech-dispatcher and speechd-up. My experience is that you can use any of the above solutions and still run orca without problems in the graphical console (at the moment I am using espeak as the synth and espeakup to connect speakup to it and gnome-speech for connecting orca to espeak). As for adding speakup to ubuntu, if the kernel version is 2.6.26 or higher (use uname -r to get this information) then you can build speakup as modules. I am not quite sure which ubuntu packages you need to have installed to be able to compile modules hopefully either someone else will say or may be you know. You will then need to get speakup from git or some recent copy of speakup (slackware has some snapshots of the git repository on their ftp server ftp://ftp.slackware.com/pub/slackware/slackware-current/source/k/). Hopefully in that there will be sufficient information to tell you how to perform the actual compilation of speakup as modules and how to install it. Sorry I can't be more detailed about how to install speakup on ubuntu, this is partly because I don't use ubuntu and I am so used to compiling speakup into the actual kernel rather than compiling it as modules. There are some additional things to consider. Ubuntu uses pulseaudio. I feel ubuntu deals with pulseaudio in the wrong manner, sound is a system resource and if pulseaudio is meant to be the way to access audio devices then it should be treated as a system service, they seem to think it is a gnome service. The short of this is that whatever output software you choose for speakup will have to deal with pulseaudio running when you have a gnome session running and also cope with pulseaudio not running when there is no active gnome-session. You may (if you haven't) want to look at removing pulseaudio. You may want to look at other distros (like debian or GRML) which don't impose pulseaudio on you (GRML might be of particular interest as that has speakup and software speech output already configured). One final comment is that you asked whether the entire system will be accessible, this depends what you mean. Using software speech means you will not be able to gain any speech output until the audio system is running properly, on a correctly configured system getting to a point where software speech output can run should not be a problem, but if you are the sort wanting to compile custom kernels then you might get earlier problems. Like wise on the shutdown process you will only keep speech output until the connector software is killed. Again no real problems should occur after that on a properly configured system, but rare things might happen particularly if you fiddle with some of the core components and make a mistake. So basically if you aren't going to mess with things like the kernel you should have access to all you need access to, but if you are going to delve into things like compiling custom kernels you may get problems outside where software speech can run. Michael Whapples On Thu, 2009-01-29 at 08:27 +0000, James & Nash wrote: > Hello. My name is James and I have just joined ths list. I hope I will learn > a lot and hopefully contribute in time. > > Am I correct in thinking that there is a software synthesizer for Speak UP > and that you can have both Speak Up and Orca running on the same system? If > so, how would I go about installing Speak Up in Ubuntu and does this mean > that I could have speech at start up and in every part of Linux with both > Screen Readers? > > Thanks > > James > > > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 66+ messages in thread
* Re: Hello and qeustion about SpeakUp ` Michael Whapples @ ` James & Nash ` Michael Whapples 0 siblings, 1 reply; 66+ messages in thread From: James & Nash @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Thank you Michael, you've been very helpful.Nice to see you on this list as well as the Orca list. Take care james ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Whapples" <mwhapples@aim.com> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 10:21 PM Subject: Re: Hello and qeustion about SpeakUp > Hello, > You are correct about the software speech output for speakup, it depends > on which synthesiser you want to use as to what software you will need > to get it. If you want to use espeak, then use the espeakup software. If > you have IBMtts (viavoice) then there is a speakup connector for it at > the ttsynth website. If you want to use another synthesiser supported by > speech-dispatcher then you will need speech-dispatcher and speechd-up. > My experience is that you can use any of the above solutions and still > run orca without problems in the graphical console (at the moment I am > using espeak as the synth and espeakup to connect speakup to it and > gnome-speech for connecting orca to espeak). > > As for adding speakup to ubuntu, if the kernel version is 2.6.26 or > higher (use uname -r to get this information) then you can build speakup > as modules. I am not quite sure which ubuntu packages you need to have > installed to be able to compile modules hopefully either someone else > will say or may be you know. You will then need to get speakup from git > or some recent copy of speakup (slackware has some snapshots of the git > repository on their ftp server > ftp://ftp.slackware.com/pub/slackware/slackware-current/source/k/). > Hopefully in that there will be sufficient information to tell you how > to perform the actual compilation of speakup as modules and how to > install it. > > Sorry I can't be more detailed about how to install speakup on ubuntu, > this is partly because I don't use ubuntu and I am so used to compiling > speakup into the actual kernel rather than compiling it as modules. > > There are some additional things to consider. Ubuntu uses pulseaudio. I > feel ubuntu deals with pulseaudio in the wrong manner, sound is a system > resource and if pulseaudio is meant to be the way to access audio > devices then it should be treated as a system service, they seem to > think it is a gnome service. The short of this is that whatever output > software you choose for speakup will have to deal with pulseaudio > running when you have a gnome session running and also cope with > pulseaudio not running when there is no active gnome-session. You may > (if you haven't) want to look at removing pulseaudio. You may want to > look at other distros (like debian or GRML) which don't impose > pulseaudio on you (GRML might be of particular interest as that has > speakup and software speech output already configured). > > One final comment is that you asked whether the entire system will be > accessible, this depends what you mean. Using software speech means you > will not be able to gain any speech output until the audio system is > running properly, on a correctly configured system getting to a point > where software speech output can run should not be a problem, but if you > are the sort wanting to compile custom kernels then you might get > earlier problems. Like wise on the shutdown process you will only keep > speech output until the connector software is killed. Again no real > problems should occur after that on a properly configured system, but > rare things might happen particularly if you fiddle with some of the > core components and make a mistake. So basically if you aren't going to > mess with things like the kernel you should have access to all you need > access to, but if you are going to delve into things like compiling > custom kernels you may get problems outside where software speech can > run. > > Michael Whapples > On Thu, 2009-01-29 at 08:27 +0000, James & Nash wrote: >> Hello. My name is James and I have just joined ths list. I hope I will >> learn >> a lot and hopefully contribute in time. >> >> Am I correct in thinking that there is a software synthesizer for Speak >> UP >> and that you can have both Speak Up and Orca running on the same system? >> If >> so, how would I go about installing Speak Up in Ubuntu and does this mean >> that I could have speech at start up and in every part of Linux with both >> Screen Readers? >> >> Thanks >> >> James >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 66+ messages in thread
* Re: Hello and qeustion about SpeakUp ` James & Nash @ ` Michael Whapples ` Paul Hunt ` al Sten-Clanton 0 siblings, 2 replies; 66+ messages in thread From: Michael Whapples @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Hello, One thing I forgot to mention, if you are planning to use espeak or IBMtts (viavoice) then I recommend using espeakup or the ttsynth speakup connector as these reduce the dependencies for getting the software to work. You can still use those synths through speech-dispatcher and speechd-up if you want, but using the specific connector software will save the fustration if for some reason speech-dispatcher doesn't start (eg. incorrect configuration, problem with install or even simply forgetting to start it (I have done that, wondering why the system didn't come up talking only to find I forgot to add speech-dispatcher to the start up scripts)). Hope you get started with speakup and the command line fine, I believe the command line is where the real power of Linux is released. Michael Whapples On Fri, 2009-01-30 at 11:20 +0000, James & Nash wrote: > Thank you Michael, you've been very helpful.Nice to see you on this list as > well as the Orca list. > > Take care > > james > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael Whapples" <mwhapples@aim.com> > To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> > Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 10:21 PM > Subject: Re: Hello and qeustion about SpeakUp > > > > > Hello, > > You are correct about the software speech output for speakup, it depends > > on which synthesiser you want to use as to what software you will need > > to get it. If you want to use espeak, then use the espeakup software. If > > you have IBMtts (viavoice) then there is a speakup connector for it at > > the ttsynth website. If you want to use another synthesiser supported by > > speech-dispatcher then you will need speech-dispatcher and speechd-up. > > My experience is that you can use any of the above solutions and still > > run orca without problems in the graphical console (at the moment I am > > using espeak as the synth and espeakup to connect speakup to it and > > gnome-speech for connecting orca to espeak). > > > > As for adding speakup to ubuntu, if the kernel version is 2.6.26 or > > higher (use uname -r to get this information) then you can build speakup > > as modules. I am not quite sure which ubuntu packages you need to have > > installed to be able to compile modules hopefully either someone else > > will say or may be you know. You will then need to get speakup from git > > or some recent copy of speakup (slackware has some snapshots of the git > > repository on their ftp server > > ftp://ftp.slackware.com/pub/slackware/slackware-current/source/k/). > > Hopefully in that there will be sufficient information to tell you how > > to perform the actual compilation of speakup as modules and how to > > install it. > > > > Sorry I can't be more detailed about how to install speakup on ubuntu, > > this is partly because I don't use ubuntu and I am so used to compiling > > speakup into the actual kernel rather than compiling it as modules. > > > > There are some additional things to consider. Ubuntu uses pulseaudio. I > > feel ubuntu deals with pulseaudio in the wrong manner, sound is a system > > resource and if pulseaudio is meant to be the way to access audio > > devices then it should be treated as a system service, they seem to > > think it is a gnome service. The short of this is that whatever output > > software you choose for speakup will have to deal with pulseaudio > > running when you have a gnome session running and also cope with > > pulseaudio not running when there is no active gnome-session. You may > > (if you haven't) want to look at removing pulseaudio. You may want to > > look at other distros (like debian or GRML) which don't impose > > pulseaudio on you (GRML might be of particular interest as that has > > speakup and software speech output already configured). > > > > One final comment is that you asked whether the entire system will be > > accessible, this depends what you mean. Using software speech means you > > will not be able to gain any speech output until the audio system is > > running properly, on a correctly configured system getting to a point > > where software speech output can run should not be a problem, but if you > > are the sort wanting to compile custom kernels then you might get > > earlier problems. Like wise on the shutdown process you will only keep > > speech output until the connector software is killed. Again no real > > problems should occur after that on a properly configured system, but > > rare things might happen particularly if you fiddle with some of the > > core components and make a mistake. So basically if you aren't going to > > mess with things like the kernel you should have access to all you need > > access to, but if you are going to delve into things like compiling > > custom kernels you may get problems outside where software speech can > > run. > > > > Michael Whapples > > On Thu, 2009-01-29 at 08:27 +0000, James & Nash wrote: > >> Hello. My name is James and I have just joined ths list. I hope I will > >> learn > >> a lot and hopefully contribute in time. > >> > >> Am I correct in thinking that there is a software synthesizer for Speak > >> UP > >> and that you can have both Speak Up and Orca running on the same system? > >> If > >> so, how would I go about installing Speak Up in Ubuntu and does this mean > >> that I could have speech at start up and in every part of Linux with both > >> Screen Readers? > >> > >> Thanks > >> > >> James > >> > >> > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 66+ messages in thread
* Re: Hello and qeustion about SpeakUp ` Michael Whapples @ ` Paul Hunt ` Michael Whapples [not found] ` <35DDB393B0F74C229644C5508103F8EC@James> ` al Sten-Clanton 1 sibling, 2 replies; 66+ messages in thread From: Paul Hunt @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Hi, I got speakup working via speech-dispatcher and speechd-up mostly because I had started trying to figure this out before I'd heard about espeakup or the ibm tts specific connector. I'm now running the ibm tts voice via gnome-speech for orca and espeak via speechd-up in the console. They don't seem to be interfering with each other and it seems to be nice and responsive. Just a few things left to figure out now, such as how to get speakup and speechd-up running automatically when I boot up. I'll do my best to help out anyone wanting a similar setup to mine now I've got it going. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Whapples" <mwhapples@aim.com> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 5:30 PM Subject: Re: Hello and qeustion about SpeakUp > Hello, > One thing I forgot to mention, if you are planning to use espeak or > IBMtts (viavoice) then I recommend using espeakup or the ttsynth speakup > connector as these reduce the dependencies for getting the software to > work. You can still use those synths through speech-dispatcher and > speechd-up if you want, but using the specific connector software will > save the fustration if for some reason speech-dispatcher doesn't start > (eg. incorrect configuration, problem with install or even simply > forgetting to start it (I have done that, wondering why the system > didn't come up talking only to find I forgot to add speech-dispatcher to > the start up scripts)). > > Hope you get started with speakup and the command line fine, I believe > the command line is where the real power of Linux is released. > > Michael Whapples > On Fri, 2009-01-30 at 11:20 +0000, James & Nash wrote: >> Thank you Michael, you've been very helpful.Nice to see you on this list >> as >> well as the Orca list. >> >> Take care >> >> james >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Michael Whapples" <mwhapples@aim.com> >> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." >> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> >> Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 10:21 PM >> Subject: Re: Hello and qeustion about SpeakUp >> >> >> >> > Hello, >> > You are correct about the software speech output for speakup, it >> > depends >> > on which synthesiser you want to use as to what software you will need >> > to get it. If you want to use espeak, then use the espeakup software. >> > If >> > you have IBMtts (viavoice) then there is a speakup connector for it at >> > the ttsynth website. If you want to use another synthesiser supported >> > by >> > speech-dispatcher then you will need speech-dispatcher and speechd-up. >> > My experience is that you can use any of the above solutions and still >> > run orca without problems in the graphical console (at the moment I am >> > using espeak as the synth and espeakup to connect speakup to it and >> > gnome-speech for connecting orca to espeak). >> > >> > As for adding speakup to ubuntu, if the kernel version is 2.6.26 or >> > higher (use uname -r to get this information) then you can build >> > speakup >> > as modules. I am not quite sure which ubuntu packages you need to have >> > installed to be able to compile modules hopefully either someone else >> > will say or may be you know. You will then need to get speakup from git >> > or some recent copy of speakup (slackware has some snapshots of the git >> > repository on their ftp server >> > ftp://ftp.slackware.com/pub/slackware/slackware-current/source/k/). >> > Hopefully in that there will be sufficient information to tell you how >> > to perform the actual compilation of speakup as modules and how to >> > install it. >> > >> > Sorry I can't be more detailed about how to install speakup on ubuntu, >> > this is partly because I don't use ubuntu and I am so used to compiling >> > speakup into the actual kernel rather than compiling it as modules. >> > >> > There are some additional things to consider. Ubuntu uses pulseaudio. I >> > feel ubuntu deals with pulseaudio in the wrong manner, sound is a >> > system >> > resource and if pulseaudio is meant to be the way to access audio >> > devices then it should be treated as a system service, they seem to >> > think it is a gnome service. The short of this is that whatever output >> > software you choose for speakup will have to deal with pulseaudio >> > running when you have a gnome session running and also cope with >> > pulseaudio not running when there is no active gnome-session. You may >> > (if you haven't) want to look at removing pulseaudio. You may want to >> > look at other distros (like debian or GRML) which don't impose >> > pulseaudio on you (GRML might be of particular interest as that has >> > speakup and software speech output already configured). >> > >> > One final comment is that you asked whether the entire system will be >> > accessible, this depends what you mean. Using software speech means you >> > will not be able to gain any speech output until the audio system is >> > running properly, on a correctly configured system getting to a point >> > where software speech output can run should not be a problem, but if >> > you >> > are the sort wanting to compile custom kernels then you might get >> > earlier problems. Like wise on the shutdown process you will only keep >> > speech output until the connector software is killed. Again no real >> > problems should occur after that on a properly configured system, but >> > rare things might happen particularly if you fiddle with some of the >> > core components and make a mistake. So basically if you aren't going to >> > mess with things like the kernel you should have access to all you need >> > access to, but if you are going to delve into things like compiling >> > custom kernels you may get problems outside where software speech can >> > run. >> > >> > Michael Whapples >> > On Thu, 2009-01-29 at 08:27 +0000, James & Nash wrote: >> >> Hello. My name is James and I have just joined ths list. I hope I will >> >> learn >> >> a lot and hopefully contribute in time. >> >> >> >> Am I correct in thinking that there is a software synthesizer for >> >> Speak >> >> UP >> >> and that you can have both Speak Up and Orca running on the same >> >> system? >> >> If >> >> so, how would I go about installing Speak Up in Ubuntu and does this >> >> mean >> >> that I could have speech at start up and in every part of Linux with >> >> both >> >> Screen Readers? >> >> >> >> Thanks >> >> >> >> James >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Speakup mailing list >> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 66+ messages in thread
* Re: Hello and qeustion about SpeakUp ` Paul Hunt @ ` Michael Whapples [not found] ` <35DDB393B0F74C229644C5508103F8EC@James> 1 sibling, 0 replies; 66+ messages in thread From: Michael Whapples @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup Hello, getting speakup to start automatically is the easy bit, simply put what you have to type to get it started into a script file and then add that script to the start up sequence. Sorry I can't remember what distro you are using, so can't say fully how your distro deals with start up scripts. Another thing to remember is scripts run faster than you can enter things, so you may need to use the sleep command to give certain things time to start before the next command is run. Michael Whapples On Fri, 2009-01-30 at 17:40 +0000, Paul Hunt wrote: > Hi, > > I got speakup working via speech-dispatcher and speechd-up mostly because I > had started trying to figure this out before I'd heard about espeakup or the > ibm tts specific connector. > > I'm now running the ibm tts voice via gnome-speech for orca and espeak via > speechd-up in the console. They don't seem to be interfering with each > other and it seems to be nice and responsive. > > Just a few things left to figure out now, such as how to get speakup and > speechd-up running automatically when I boot up. > > I'll do my best to help out anyone wanting a similar setup to mine now I've > got it going. > > Paul > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael Whapples" <mwhapples@aim.com> > To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> > Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 5:30 PM > Subject: Re: Hello and qeustion about SpeakUp > > > > > Hello, > > One thing I forgot to mention, if you are planning to use espeak or > > IBMtts (viavoice) then I recommend using espeakup or the ttsynth speakup > > connector as these reduce the dependencies for getting the software to > > work. You can still use those synths through speech-dispatcher and > > speechd-up if you want, but using the specific connector software will > > save the fustration if for some reason speech-dispatcher doesn't start > > (eg. incorrect configuration, problem with install or even simply > > forgetting to start it (I have done that, wondering why the system > > didn't come up talking only to find I forgot to add speech-dispatcher to > > the start up scripts)). > > > > Hope you get started with speakup and the command line fine, I believe > > the command line is where the real power of Linux is released. > > > > Michael Whapples > > On Fri, 2009-01-30 at 11:20 +0000, James & Nash wrote: > >> Thank you Michael, you've been very helpful.Nice to see you on this list > >> as > >> well as the Orca list. > >> > >> Take care > >> > >> james > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Michael Whapples" <mwhapples@aim.com> > >> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." > >> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> > >> Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 10:21 PM > >> Subject: Re: Hello and qeustion about SpeakUp > >> > >> > >> > >> > Hello, > >> > You are correct about the software speech output for speakup, it > >> > depends > >> > on which synthesiser you want to use as to what software you will need > >> > to get it. If you want to use espeak, then use the espeakup software. > >> > If > >> > you have IBMtts (viavoice) then there is a speakup connector for it at > >> > the ttsynth website. If you want to use another synthesiser supported > >> > by > >> > speech-dispatcher then you will need speech-dispatcher and speechd-up. > >> > My experience is that you can use any of the above solutions and still > >> > run orca without problems in the graphical console (at the moment I am > >> > using espeak as the synth and espeakup to connect speakup to it and > >> > gnome-speech for connecting orca to espeak). > >> > > >> > As for adding speakup to ubuntu, if the kernel version is 2.6.26 or > >> > higher (use uname -r to get this information) then you can build > >> > speakup > >> > as modules. I am not quite sure which ubuntu packages you need to have > >> > installed to be able to compile modules hopefully either someone else > >> > will say or may be you know. You will then need to get speakup from git > >> > or some recent copy of speakup (slackware has some snapshots of the git > >> > repository on their ftp server > >> > ftp://ftp.slackware.com/pub/slackware/slackware-current/source/k/). > >> > Hopefully in that there will be sufficient information to tell you how > >> > to perform the actual compilation of speakup as modules and how to > >> > install it. > >> > > >> > Sorry I can't be more detailed about how to install speakup on ubuntu, > >> > this is partly because I don't use ubuntu and I am so used to compiling > >> > speakup into the actual kernel rather than compiling it as modules. > >> > > >> > There are some additional things to consider. Ubuntu uses pulseaudio. I > >> > feel ubuntu deals with pulseaudio in the wrong manner, sound is a > >> > system > >> > resource and if pulseaudio is meant to be the way to access audio > >> > devices then it should be treated as a system service, they seem to > >> > think it is a gnome service. The short of this is that whatever output > >> > software you choose for speakup will have to deal with pulseaudio > >> > running when you have a gnome session running and also cope with > >> > pulseaudio not running when there is no active gnome-session. You may > >> > (if you haven't) want to look at removing pulseaudio. You may want to > >> > look at other distros (like debian or GRML) which don't impose > >> > pulseaudio on you (GRML might be of particular interest as that has > >> > speakup and software speech output already configured). > >> > > >> > One final comment is that you asked whether the entire system will be > >> > accessible, this depends what you mean. Using software speech means you > >> > will not be able to gain any speech output until the audio system is > >> > running properly, on a correctly configured system getting to a point > >> > where software speech output can run should not be a problem, but if > >> > you > >> > are the sort wanting to compile custom kernels then you might get > >> > earlier problems. Like wise on the shutdown process you will only keep > >> > speech output until the connector software is killed. Again no real > >> > problems should occur after that on a properly configured system, but > >> > rare things might happen particularly if you fiddle with some of the > >> > core components and make a mistake. So basically if you aren't going to > >> > mess with things like the kernel you should have access to all you need > >> > access to, but if you are going to delve into things like compiling > >> > custom kernels you may get problems outside where software speech can > >> > run. > >> > > >> > Michael Whapples > >> > On Thu, 2009-01-29 at 08:27 +0000, James & Nash wrote: > >> >> Hello. My name is James and I have just joined ths list. I hope I will > >> >> learn > >> >> a lot and hopefully contribute in time. > >> >> > >> >> Am I correct in thinking that there is a software synthesizer for > >> >> Speak > >> >> UP > >> >> and that you can have both Speak Up and Orca running on the same > >> >> system? > >> >> If > >> >> so, how would I go about installing Speak Up in Ubuntu and does this > >> >> mean > >> >> that I could have speech at start up and in every part of Linux with > >> >> both > >> >> Screen Readers? > >> >> > >> >> Thanks > >> >> > >> >> James > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > Speakup mailing list > >> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > >> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > >> > >> > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 66+ messages in thread
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* Re: Hello and qeustion about SpeakUp [not found] ` <35DDB393B0F74C229644C5508103F8EC@James> @ ` Paul Hunt 0 siblings, 0 replies; 66+ messages in thread From: Paul Hunt @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup Hi James, I'm wondering how far you've got with your quest to get Speakup working? The only answer I got to my own request for help with Speakup was off-list but it was good enough to get me going so I'm wondering if you've had any off-list help? The first thing you'll need to do is get the Speakup modules built on your machine and then decide what kind of interface between Speakup and your synth you're going to use. Either espeakup, the IBM tts connector or speech-dispatcher/speechd-up. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "James & Nash" <james.austin1984@googlemail.com> To: "Paul Hunt" <huntp@ukonline.co.uk>; "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 12:19 PM Subject: Re: Hello and qeustion about SpeakUp > Hi Paul, > > I would very much appreicate any help you can provide > I really have no idea where to begin with SpeakUP. I am only just getting > to grips with the comand line, although I think it is something that I'm > going to use more and more as time goes on once I can iron out one or two > problems I'm having with Linux and Skype. > Thanks > > James. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul Hunt" <huntp@ukonline.co.uk> > To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." > <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> > Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 5:40 PM > Subject: Re: Hello and qeustion about SpeakUp > > >> Hi, >> >> I got speakup working via speech-dispatcher and speechd-up mostly because >> I had started trying to figure this out before I'd heard about espeakup >> or the ibm tts specific connector. >> >> I'm now running the ibm tts voice via gnome-speech for orca and espeak >> via speechd-up in the console. They don't seem to be interfering with >> each other and it seems to be nice and responsive. >> >> Just a few things left to figure out now, such as how to get speakup and >> speechd-up running automatically when I boot up. >> >> I'll do my best to help out anyone wanting a similar setup to mine now >> I've got it going. >> >> Paul >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Michael Whapples" <mwhapples@aim.com> >> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." >> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> >> Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 5:30 PM >> Subject: Re: Hello and qeustion about SpeakUp >> >> >>> Hello, >>> One thing I forgot to mention, if you are planning to use espeak or >>> IBMtts (viavoice) then I recommend using espeakup or the ttsynth speakup >>> connector as these reduce the dependencies for getting the software to >>> work. You can still use those synths through speech-dispatcher and >>> speechd-up if you want, but using the specific connector software will >>> save the fustration if for some reason speech-dispatcher doesn't start >>> (eg. incorrect configuration, problem with install or even simply >>> forgetting to start it (I have done that, wondering why the system >>> didn't come up talking only to find I forgot to add speech-dispatcher to >>> the start up scripts)). >>> >>> Hope you get started with speakup and the command line fine, I believe >>> the command line is where the real power of Linux is released. >>> >>> Michael Whapples >>> On Fri, 2009-01-30 at 11:20 +0000, James & Nash wrote: >>>> Thank you Michael, you've been very helpful.Nice to see you on this >>>> list as >>>> well as the Orca list. >>>> >>>> Take care >>>> >>>> james >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Michael Whapples" <mwhapples@aim.com> >>>> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." >>>> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> >>>> Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 10:21 PM >>>> Subject: Re: Hello and qeustion about SpeakUp >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> > Hello, >>>> > You are correct about the software speech output for speakup, it >>>> > depends >>>> > on which synthesiser you want to use as to what software you will >>>> > need >>>> > to get it. If you want to use espeak, then use the espeakup software. >>>> > If >>>> > you have IBMtts (viavoice) then there is a speakup connector for it >>>> > at >>>> > the ttsynth website. If you want to use another synthesiser supported >>>> > by >>>> > speech-dispatcher then you will need speech-dispatcher and >>>> > speechd-up. >>>> > My experience is that you can use any of the above solutions and >>>> > still >>>> > run orca without problems in the graphical console (at the moment I >>>> > am >>>> > using espeak as the synth and espeakup to connect speakup to it and >>>> > gnome-speech for connecting orca to espeak). >>>> > >>>> > As for adding speakup to ubuntu, if the kernel version is 2.6.26 or >>>> > higher (use uname -r to get this information) then you can build >>>> > speakup >>>> > as modules. I am not quite sure which ubuntu packages you need to >>>> > have >>>> > installed to be able to compile modules hopefully either someone else >>>> > will say or may be you know. You will then need to get speakup from >>>> > git >>>> > or some recent copy of speakup (slackware has some snapshots of the >>>> > git >>>> > repository on their ftp server >>>> > ftp://ftp.slackware.com/pub/slackware/slackware-current/source/k/). >>>> > Hopefully in that there will be sufficient information to tell you >>>> > how >>>> > to perform the actual compilation of speakup as modules and how to >>>> > install it. >>>> > >>>> > Sorry I can't be more detailed about how to install speakup on >>>> > ubuntu, >>>> > this is partly because I don't use ubuntu and I am so used to >>>> > compiling >>>> > speakup into the actual kernel rather than compiling it as modules. >>>> > >>>> > There are some additional things to consider. Ubuntu uses pulseaudio. >>>> > I >>>> > feel ubuntu deals with pulseaudio in the wrong manner, sound is a >>>> > system >>>> > resource and if pulseaudio is meant to be the way to access audio >>>> > devices then it should be treated as a system service, they seem to >>>> > think it is a gnome service. The short of this is that whatever >>>> > output >>>> > software you choose for speakup will have to deal with pulseaudio >>>> > running when you have a gnome session running and also cope with >>>> > pulseaudio not running when there is no active gnome-session. You may >>>> > (if you haven't) want to look at removing pulseaudio. You may want to >>>> > look at other distros (like debian or GRML) which don't impose >>>> > pulseaudio on you (GRML might be of particular interest as that has >>>> > speakup and software speech output already configured). >>>> > >>>> > One final comment is that you asked whether the entire system will be >>>> > accessible, this depends what you mean. Using software speech means >>>> > you >>>> > will not be able to gain any speech output until the audio system is >>>> > running properly, on a correctly configured system getting to a point >>>> > where software speech output can run should not be a problem, but if >>>> > you >>>> > are the sort wanting to compile custom kernels then you might get >>>> > earlier problems. Like wise on the shutdown process you will only >>>> > keep >>>> > speech output until the connector software is killed. Again no real >>>> > problems should occur after that on a properly configured system, but >>>> > rare things might happen particularly if you fiddle with some of the >>>> > core components and make a mistake. So basically if you aren't going >>>> > to >>>> > mess with things like the kernel you should have access to all you >>>> > need >>>> > access to, but if you are going to delve into things like compiling >>>> > custom kernels you may get problems outside where software speech can >>>> > run. >>>> > >>>> > Michael Whapples >>>> > On Thu, 2009-01-29 at 08:27 +0000, James & Nash wrote: >>>> >> Hello. My name is James and I have just joined ths list. I hope I >>>> >> will >>>> >> learn >>>> >> a lot and hopefully contribute in time. >>>> >> >>>> >> Am I correct in thinking that there is a software synthesizer for >>>> >> Speak >>>> >> UP >>>> >> and that you can have both Speak Up and Orca running on the same >>>> >> system? >>>> >> If >>>> >> so, how would I go about installing Speak Up in Ubuntu and does this >>>> >> mean >>>> >> that I could have speech at start up and in every part of Linux with >>>> >> both >>>> >> Screen Readers? >>>> >> >>>> >> Thanks >>>> >> >>>> >> James >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> > >>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>> > Speakup mailing list >>>> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >>>> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Speakup mailing list >>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Speakup mailing list >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >> > > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 66+ messages in thread
* RE: Hello and qeustion about SpeakUp ` Michael Whapples ` Paul Hunt @ ` al Sten-Clanton ` Chris Brannon 1 sibling, 1 reply; 66+ messages in thread From: al Sten-Clanton @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: 'Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.' Hi, Michael! First, I compliment you on the quality of the messages you've sent earlier on this matter. It is quite refreshing to see messages that are more than a sentence or a fragment of information, since for those of us who are not in the know, these are sometimes unhelpful or worse. Second, do you know of any documentation that is genuinely good about using espeakup? I have so far been unable to find anything telling me either (a) how it works with software speech or (b) where to find that out. My recent kernel-building disaster has jacked up my impatience with fragmentary documentation, so anything you can tell me will be profoundly appreciated. Thanks! Also, of course, it's quite fine if you can't tell me what I want to know. The tone of this message has nothing to do with you, but with the regular difficulty of getting truly useful information. Thanks! Al -----Original Message----- From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca] On Behalf Of Michael Whapples Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 12:31 PM To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Subject: Re: Hello and qeustion about SpeakUp Hello, One thing I forgot to mention, if you are planning to use espeak or IBMtts (viavoice) then I recommend using espeakup or the ttsynth speakup connector as these reduce the dependencies for getting the software to work. You can still use those synths through speech-dispatcher and speechd-up if you want, but using the specific connector software will save the fustration if for some reason speech-dispatcher doesn't start (eg. incorrect configuration, problem with install or even simply forgetting to start it (I have done that, wondering why the system didn't come up talking only to find I forgot to add speech-dispatcher to the start up scripts)). Hope you get started with speakup and the command line fine, I believe the command line is where the real power of Linux is released. Michael Whapples On Fri, 2009-01-30 at 11:20 +0000, James & Nash wrote: > Thank you Michael, you've been very helpful.Nice to see you on this > list as well as the Orca list. > > Take care > > james > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael Whapples" <mwhapples@aim.com> > To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." > <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> > Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 10:21 PM > Subject: Re: Hello and qeustion about SpeakUp > > > > > Hello, > > You are correct about the software speech output for speakup, it > > depends on which synthesiser you want to use as to what software you > > will need to get it. If you want to use espeak, then use the > > espeakup software. If you have IBMtts (viavoice) then there is a > > speakup connector for it at the ttsynth website. If you want to use > > another synthesiser supported by speech-dispatcher then you will need speech-dispatcher and speechd-up. > > My experience is that you can use any of the above solutions and > > still run orca without problems in the graphical console (at the > > moment I am using espeak as the synth and espeakup to connect > > speakup to it and gnome-speech for connecting orca to espeak). > > > > As for adding speakup to ubuntu, if the kernel version is 2.6.26 or > > higher (use uname -r to get this information) then you can build > > speakup as modules. I am not quite sure which ubuntu packages you > > need to have installed to be able to compile modules hopefully > > either someone else will say or may be you know. You will then need > > to get speakup from git or some recent copy of speakup (slackware > > has some snapshots of the git repository on their ftp server > > ftp://ftp.slackware.com/pub/slackware/slackware-current/source/k/). > > Hopefully in that there will be sufficient information to tell you > > how to perform the actual compilation of speakup as modules and how > > to install it. > > > > Sorry I can't be more detailed about how to install speakup on > > ubuntu, this is partly because I don't use ubuntu and I am so used > > to compiling speakup into the actual kernel rather than compiling it as modules. > > > > There are some additional things to consider. Ubuntu uses > > pulseaudio. I feel ubuntu deals with pulseaudio in the wrong manner, > > sound is a system resource and if pulseaudio is meant to be the way > > to access audio devices then it should be treated as a system > > service, they seem to think it is a gnome service. The short of this > > is that whatever output software you choose for speakup will have to > > deal with pulseaudio running when you have a gnome session running > > and also cope with pulseaudio not running when there is no active > > gnome-session. You may (if you haven't) want to look at removing > > pulseaudio. You may want to look at other distros (like debian or > > GRML) which don't impose pulseaudio on you (GRML might be of > > particular interest as that has speakup and software speech output already configured). > > > > One final comment is that you asked whether the entire system will > > be accessible, this depends what you mean. Using software speech > > means you will not be able to gain any speech output until the audio > > system is running properly, on a correctly configured system getting > > to a point where software speech output can run should not be a > > problem, but if you are the sort wanting to compile custom kernels > > then you might get earlier problems. Like wise on the shutdown > > process you will only keep speech output until the connector > > software is killed. Again no real problems should occur after that > > on a properly configured system, but rare things might happen > > particularly if you fiddle with some of the core components and make > > a mistake. So basically if you aren't going to mess with things like > > the kernel you should have access to all you need access to, but if > > you are going to delve into things like compiling custom kernels you > > may get problems outside where software speech can run. > > > > Michael Whapples > > On Thu, 2009-01-29 at 08:27 +0000, James & Nash wrote: > >> Hello. My name is James and I have just joined ths list. I hope I > >> will learn a lot and hopefully contribute in time. > >> > >> Am I correct in thinking that there is a software synthesizer for > >> Speak UP and that you can have both Speak Up and Orca running on > >> the same system? > >> If > >> so, how would I go about installing Speak Up in Ubuntu and does > >> this mean that I could have speech at start up and in every part of > >> Linux with both Screen Readers? > >> > >> Thanks > >> > >> James > >> > >> > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > _______________________________________________ Speakup mailing list Speakup@braille.uwo.ca http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 66+ messages in thread
* Re: Hello and qeustion about SpeakUp ` al Sten-Clanton @ ` Chris Brannon ` Michael Whapples 0 siblings, 1 reply; 66+ messages in thread From: Chris Brannon @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup Al Sten-Clanton writes: > Second, do you know of any documentation that is genuinely good about using > espeakup? I have so far been unable to find anything telling me either (a) > how it works with software speech or (b) where to find that out. Hello Al, I wrote a manpage for espeakup. I think that the document is only available from William's git repository at the moment. The command git clone git://hubbs.homedns.org/espeakup.git will clone the repository and place the contents in a subdirectory named espeakup. If there are any deficiencies in the manual, please tell me, and I will try to correct them. -- Chris ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 66+ messages in thread
* Re: Hello and qeustion about SpeakUp ` Chris Brannon @ ` Michael Whapples 0 siblings, 0 replies; 66+ messages in thread From: Michael Whapples @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup I don't think there is anything I really could add to that manual page for espeakup. Chris I think you hit the nail on the head in the manual when you said: "From the perspective of an average user, Espeakup's operation is invisible". In fact so invisible that I never needed to read a doc on espeakup to get going with it on GRML, the only thing that needs doing to get it running (once speakup softsynth module is running correctly) is run "espeakup", and then I forget its even there. Its software like this which unfortunately doesn't get credit because people forget about it, but it is really nice to have software which just works. So to all involved with espeakup, thanks for this great software. The only docs I think could be written for espeakup would be distro specific ones as it is very hard to give any detail in a general doc (eg. details of how to add it to the start up scripts, how to prepare speakup, etc), but that is beyond the scope of the manual. Michael Whapples On Fri, 2009-01-30 at 22:12 -0600, Chris Brannon wrote: > Al Sten-Clanton writes: > > Second, do you know of any documentation that is genuinely good about using > > espeakup? I have so far been unable to find anything telling me either (a) > > how it works with software speech or (b) where to find that out. > > Hello Al, > I wrote a manpage for espeakup. I think that the document is only available > from William's git repository at the moment. > The command > git clone git://hubbs.homedns.org/espeakup.git > will clone the repository and place the contents in a subdirectory named > espeakup. If there are any deficiencies in the manual, please tell me, > and I will try to correct them. > > -- Chris > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 66+ messages in thread
* Re: Why we want gui [Was: speakup is nice] ` Why we want gui [Was: speakup is nice] Janina Sajka ` James Homuth ` Michael Whapples @ ` Gaijin 2 siblings, 0 replies; 66+ messages in thread From: Gaijin @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. > Terry D. Cudney writes: > > Why do we want access to the gui? Only because the majority of the computer users in the world are sighted and they like to point-and-click. If we had a java/javascript-enabled browser that worked in the cli with speakup, I don't think we'd be looking at orca or other gui access schemes at all. Try edbrowse. Michael ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 66+ messages in thread
* Re: speakup is nice speakup is nice John G. Heim ` (3 preceding siblings ...) ` Kirk Reiser @ ` Gaijin ` Steve Holmes ` Janina Sajka 5 siblings, 1 reply; 66+ messages in thread From: Gaijin @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. > I think it's not said often enough. Speakup is really, really nice. If it weren't for SpeakUP, I wouldn't even be on the computer. Windows without JAWS or one of the other $1000 screen readers doesn't do it for me. I use NVDA for my Windows screen reader, and it's still not very supportive of mIRC or Thunderbird, and my experiences on the web leave everything to be desired. The same pretty-much goes for Orca, at least in Debian, where half the time it doesn't even start, let alone work consistantly. SpeakUP is my primary screen reader, and now that I know about edbrowse, the web has actually become fun to surf again. After two days using edbrowse with SpeakUP, I can get around the web far faster than I can with Orca or links/links2. SpeakUP is the ONLY thing keeping me in contact with the outside world out here, and I can't thank Kirk and everyone enough for making it all possible. I am going to go out out on a semi-off-topic limb here and tell the people here having problems navigating the wiki pages for SpeakUP documentation to start using edbrowse. Run the configuration script in the examples directory. Learn the z, g, i, and macros commands included when you run the setup script. Try using edbrowse for a couple days and you'll ditch firefox and any other web browser out there. If you're like me and only use the GUI for firefox, you may never leave SpeakUP and the command line again. SpeakUP and a scriptable web browser written for the blind is a godsend. The "gg" and "wk" search macros make it a breeze to find things again. PS: If you like edbrowse as much as I do, convince Karl to make a Shift+Enter, "Line-Up" key so the thing can be backed up as well as advanced. I do miss having navigation keys on this project. Michael ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 66+ messages in thread
* Re: speakup is nice ` speakup is nice Gaijin @ ` Steve Holmes 0 siblings, 0 replies; 66+ messages in thread From: Steve Holmes @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: RIPEMD160 I need to jump in here also to praise Speakup! I think there's a tendency to take speakup for grantid. At least I've done that. I really would like to contribute by adding some extra features but that could bloat the thing and make it into something too sluggish or whatever. I have an old laptop here that cannot run a GUI system at all and the Debian boot image won't even work on it but my trusty Slackware distro plus Speakup come up talking every time now that I have things configured right. I can do this with my serial Speakout synth or softsynth with espeak. in any case, it flies great! I do like Orca for things where point and click navigation is just faster. I mean the file browser and some of the auto mount features are cool in gnome. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEAREDAAYFAkl1MOYACgkQWSjv55S0LfFLoQCbBKhh9+dQvplJAj7rC8rzudq9 vVUAoMJUF0ePUONjHrElNzuSvF2vXxMo =t8AY -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 66+ messages in thread
* Re: speakup is nice speakup is nice John G. Heim ` (4 preceding siblings ...) ` speakup is nice Gaijin @ ` Janina Sajka 5 siblings, 0 replies; 66+ messages in thread From: Janina Sajka @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Hear, hear, John! I certainly agree. Speakup is still my screen reader of choice. I tend to have 23 Speakup consoles open, and 1 graphical Desktop console with Orca. I still use vim, mutt, and even lynx a lot--even though I now also use Orca a lot. If I'm having trouble with one of my machines, I always solve it using Speakup. I never solve it using Orca. Heavens, it mostly wouldn't even be possible to solve it with Orca! Janina John G. Heim writes: > I think it's not said often enough. Speakup is really, really nice. Lets > face it, when the chips are down, you always fall back on speakup don't > you? I know I do. The accessible debian install,er, talking grml CD, plus > several a talking Windows installer I built myself. They all depend on > speakup. Speakup is like that old PC you have that always works even when > that new flashiy one is on the fritz again.You know what I mean? You've > got your flashy new laptop or whatever but in an emergency, don't you > want your old one running speakup? Say your network is down and you need > to make a serial port connection. What do you want? I want speakup. When > a machine won't boot, you put in your grml CD with speakup don't you? If > I'm in a panic, I always just want something with speakup. > > -- > John G. Heim > jheim@math.wisc.edu 3-4189 > http://www.math.wisc.edu/~jheim/ > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup -- Janina Sajka, Phone: +1.202.595.7777; sip:janina@CapitalAccessibility.Com Partner, Capital Accessibility LLC http://CapitalAccessibility.Com Marketing the Owasys 22C talking screenless cell phone in the U.S. and Canada Learn more at http://ScreenlessPhone.Com Chair, Open Accessibility janina@a11y.org Linux Foundation http://a11y.org ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 66+ messages in thread
* Re: speakup is nice @ tony seth 0 siblings, 0 replies; 66+ messages in thread From: tony seth @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup Hi all: I've waited for a long time to respond, but after having tried the latest grml on my eee pc in live mode, software speech came right up and they seem to have fixed the spelling issue, so you could install that on a laptop without a hw synth. Granted, I'd love a hw synth on every install, but with everything going to usb and sw synths being all the rage now, grml fills in nicely here since you don't have to ditch speakup. Clink clink... Cheereo! -- Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 66+ messages in thread
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