From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.169]) by speech.braille.uwo.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E60C10A81 for ; Tue, 13 Jan 2009 15:53:38 -0500 (EST) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 17so311779ugm.14 for ; Tue, 13 Jan 2009 12:53:37 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:date:from:to:subject :message-id:references:mime-version:content-type:content-disposition :in-reply-to:user-agent; bh=NTrSSuQTs2d1KHPAMYzCb1OINTS6eQRQ1lXmFVg3H/k=; b=YyRA1vdjsXxU5ZzmtR7Lj81MjyitDYar3LtarZAm1IxH5lFXQPO0/ty0iN+XBemp7x oqk9Egl3cC7aUrIuvqfhvpNLZJzSchOYZlCvMYIysOyxj/QBOYQlvJq6fbffnbjh+OnP fD2KzLukVW20hRbchuMovpLcDth93Pj8NzTMo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:references:mime-version :content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent; b=dqu0dry022uXLh8miy8rd+eBOCYuZ/4qL3KFXLa1I4ODINNKmOGunfFyekG0J0yivo XEYNUDAraE6lWfmmUlzDTZnmCSSmEqNEOQOmoxWtydfEWqcutUyGHO+pNYojtcZnZvQ1 egcDxcuq6U/APrjm1Zu6J64LA2IeYAWKA9JEM= Received: by 10.67.40.6 with SMTP id s6mr2274649ugj.10.1231880017078; Tue, 13 Jan 2009 12:53:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (dsl-245-118-234.telkomadsl.co.za [41.245.118.234]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id y7sm2699273ugc.53.2009.01.13.12.53.34 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 13 Jan 2009 12:53:36 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 22:53:30 +0200 From: Rynhardt Kruger To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." Subject: Re: speakup is nice Message-ID: <20090113205330.GA23310@blinkbox> References: <049d01c9759d$a59747c0$4ba65c90@math.wisc.edu> <834B4FA3C5C64481B6B3C558AF5C4F8A@math.wisc.edu> <20090113201010.GA6092@braille.uwo.ca> <20090113203854.GB10157@localhost.localdomain> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-action=pgp-signed Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20090113203854.GB10157@localhost.localdomain> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) X-BeenThere: speakup@braille.uwo.ca X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." List-Id: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 20:53:38 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi, I totally agree! Speakup is surely the fastest modern screen reader. I prefer the cli with speakup over crowded GUIs with windows, panels and toolbars which is more in the way than anything else. btw, the project at http://netrik.sourceforge.net looks like it can become the java/javascript browser for the console that we need so much. Take care, Rynhardt On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 01:38:54PM -0700, Gregory Nowak wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 03:10:10PM -0500, Terry D. Cudney wrote: > > Why do we want access to the gui? Only because the majority of the computer users in the world are sighted and they like to point-and-click. If we had a java/javascript-enabled browser that worked in the cli with speakup, I don't think we'd be looking at orca or other gui access schemes at all. > > Here here! > > Also, I'll throw in my own bit here, by saying that if it wasn't for > speakup, I'd probably still be stuck in windows 24/7. I remember > wanting to play with something called redhat somewhere around > 1996/1997, but I knew at the time of no way to get it to talk, so I > went from dos to using win95 instead. It wasn't until somewhere around > late 2000, when windows started really getting to me with everyday > use, that I investigated again, and found linux-speakup.org, and even > install media for some distros, which would let me do the install > independently! My biggest hurdle after that was to learn how to use > this think called gnu/linux, and by extension the unix systems, but I > think I haven't done badly there either, again in part to the helpful > folks on this list. > > I also wouldn't ever have tried netbsd without speakup. While I could > still have installed via a serial console, and ssh in from windows, > given the comfort of using ssh in windows when compared to using it > from gnu/linux with speakup, I think that in itself would have made me > give up shortly after starting, assuming I did in the first place. > > So, yes indeed, thanks to you Kirk, and the rest of those who made, > and continue to make speakup happen. > > Greg > > > - -- > web site: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org > gpg public key: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org/pubkey.asc > skype: gregn1 > (authorization required, add me to your contacts list first) > > - -- > Free domains: http://www.eu.org/ or mail dns-manager@EU.org > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) > > iEYEARECAAYFAkls+94ACgkQ7s9z/XlyUyClZQCgysFrYTM3WUWF7bwq5RJe2l5W > sqsAoNqTE+tc9HSKITb7gif916PtkRza > =PAQN > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkls/0oACgkQ/bwpjrGDwszsUACglT6zwGDJcT8JeFrgnLSBYBhV kvEAnReiC4n7LUmJmRHGfqacih7g7jW+ =oU3f -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----