Debian Well Underway

Debian Well Underway

[Steve Holmes]

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Well, I got Debian going pretty well now.  I got ALSA working with the
proper order of sound cards, my network is using static address as I
wish, and the default kernel supports NTFS so am able to read and
write to my ntfs file system from normal users.

I do have one question that is bugging me.  I can't seem to get the
console to go into any mode other than 25X80 mode.  Even at the boot
prompt or in lilo.conf, I can specify vga=791 (first choice,
vga=extended (should give me 50 lines) but no matter what, I boot and
always get the 25 lines.  Under slackware, I got 50 lines all the time
with vga=extended.  So I think there is something in Debian that is
overriding me or Deb don't like my video card.  Is there something
else I should be looking for to control this?  My biggest herdle now
is to learn the configuration environment of Debian.  I'm used to
editing configuration files and Debian has got these config scripts to
simplify thing; I just need to learn them.

I appreciate the help and the help previously given me concerning the
boot problems.

Thanks.
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Re: Debian Well Underway

[Samuel Thibault]

Steve Holmes, le Mon 13 Oct 2008 14:31:26 -0700, a écrit :
>  So I think there is something in Debian that is
> overriding me

Yes: check the font size, see things like /etc/*console*/*, /etc/kbd/*,
/etc/default/*console*

Samuel

Re: Debian Well Underway

[Gregory Nowak]

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On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 02:31:26PM -0700, Steve Holmes wrote:
> I do have one question that is bugging me.  I can't seem to get the
> console to go into any mode other than 25X80 mode.  Even at the boot
> prompt or in lilo.conf, I can specify vga=791 (first choice,
> vga=extended (should give me 50 lines) but no matter what, I boot and
> always get the 25 lines.  Under slackware, I got 50 lines all the time
> with vga=extended.  So I think there is something in Debian that is
> overriding me or Deb don't like my video card.  Is there something
> else I should be looking for to control this?

I may be wrong on this, but I seem to recall that the slackware kernel
uses a framebuffer, while the debian kernels access the video card
directly. If I'm correct here, and debian doesn't use a framebuffer,
then I think that's the problem. 

BTW, how did you solve your boot issues, was it in fact the bios, or
something else?

Greg


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Re: Debian Well Underway

[Chuck Hallenbeck]

Steve,

On my Lenny system I have added the kernel command line option vga=791
in my grub configuration, and it gives me 128 by 48  screens.

Chuck

On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 02:31:26PM -0700, Steve Holmes wrote:
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> Well, I got Debian going pretty well now.  I got ALSA working with the
> proper order of sound cards, my network is using static address as I
> wish, and the default kernel supports NTFS so am able to read and
> write to my ntfs file system from normal users.
> 
> I do have one question that is bugging me.  I can't seem to get the
> console to go into any mode other than 25X80 mode.  Even at the boot
> prompt or in lilo.conf, I can specify vga=791 (first choice,
> vga=extended (should give me 50 lines) but no matter what, I boot and
> always get the 25 lines.  Under slackware, I got 50 lines all the time
> with vga=extended.  So I think there is something in Debian that is
> overriding me or Deb don't like my video card.  Is there something
> else I should be looking for to control this?  My biggest herdle now
> is to learn the configuration environment of Debian.  I'm used to
> editing configuration files and Debian has got these config scripts to
> simplify thing; I just need to learn them.
> 
> I appreciate the help and the help previously given me concerning the
> boot problems.
> 
> Thanks.
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Re: Debian Well Underway

[Kerry Hoath]

There is svgatextmode that can set screen size; also note that kernel uses 
framebuffer by default not sure if that changes how larger than normal 
screen sizes work.
Just out of curiosity what was the boot problem after all that?

Also keep in mind all configuration files are stored in /etc for Debian,
if you are careful you can hand-edit the config files and not use the 
maintainer scripts.
Regards, Kerry.

Re: Debian Well Underway

[Steve Holmes]

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On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 02:57:17PM -0700, Gregory Nowak wrote:
> BTW, how did you solve your boot issues, was it in fact the bios, or
> something else?

Well, last night, I dug up an old floppy and booted that way and that
worked for a while; actually, I did that since the other night
(Saturday).  I had someone look at the BIOS this afternoon as I then
couldn't boot windows, even from the floppy.  Strange but the boot
sequence changed some how and had my external USB hard drive listed
first and the other two hard disks were still showing but it wouldn't
drop down and try booting from either of them.  I kept getting the
"NTDLR missing" error.  I then unplugged the USB drive and did not
alter the boot sequence in BIOS but then the machine booted off the
hard disk (/dev/hda) using the MBR.  I have since then, plugged that
USB hard drive back in and it still boots from the internal /dev/hda
so I can't tell what really happened there.  I'm just glad it's
working right again and I can boot both systems whenever I want
without a floppy.

Guess I better button up the box and stay out of the drive bays
now. <smile>
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Re: Debian Well Underway

[Steve Holmes]

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I sure wish I could get that.  I wonder if the kernels are different
or if the lilo stuff isn't passing the command line parm right.  I
wonder about the frame buffer issue.  As soon as I get through with
the mail here, I'm gonna follow Samuel's advice and look for any
console file s in /etc; maybe that will give me some clues.  When I
was in gnome on slackware, I really liked the extra wide screen plus
the 48 lines or so.

On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 07:33:14PM -0400, Chuck Hallenbeck wrote:
> Steve,
> 
> On my Lenny system I have added the kernel command line option vga=791
> in my grub configuration, and it gives me 128 by 48  screens.
> 
> Chuck
> 
> On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 02:31:26PM -0700, Steve Holmes wrote:
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> > Well, I got Debian going pretty well now.  I got ALSA working with the
> > proper order of sound cards, my network is using static address as I
> > wish, and the default kernel supports NTFS so am able to read and
> > write to my ntfs file system from normal users.
> > 
> > I do have one question that is bugging me.  I can't seem to get the
> > console to go into any mode other than 25X80 mode.  Even at the boot
> > prompt or in lilo.conf, I can specify vga=791 (first choice,
> > vga=extended (should give me 50 lines) but no matter what, I boot and
> > always get the 25 lines.  Under slackware, I got 50 lines all the time
> > with vga=extended.  So I think there is something in Debian that is
> > overriding me or Deb don't like my video card.  Is there something
> > else I should be looking for to control this?  My biggest herdle now
> > is to learn the configuration environment of Debian.  I'm used to
> > editing configuration files and Debian has got these config scripts to
> > simplify thing; I just need to learn them.
> > 
> > I appreciate the help and the help previously given me concerning the
> > boot problems.
> > 
> > Thanks.
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Re: Debian Well Underway

[Chuck Hallenbeck]

Steve,

uname -a tells me:
Linux cq 2.6.26-1-686 #1 SMP Wed Sep 10 16:46:13 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux

Straight from the archives, never touched by human hands. My
motherboard is an Intel 945G

Chuck



On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 09:17:22PM -0700, Steve Holmes wrote:
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> I sure wish I could get that.  I wonder if the kernels are different
> or if the lilo stuff isn't passing the command line parm right.  I
> wonder about the frame buffer issue.  As soon as I get through with
> the mail here, I'm gonna follow Samuel's advice and look for any
> console file s in /etc; maybe that will give me some clues.  When I
> was in gnome on slackware, I really liked the extra wide screen plus
> the 48 lines or so.
> 
> On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 07:33:14PM -0400, Chuck Hallenbeck wrote:
> > Steve,
> > 
> > On my Lenny system I have added the kernel command line option vga=791
> > in my grub configuration, and it gives me 128 by 48  screens.
> > 
> > Chuck
> > 
> > On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 02:31:26PM -0700, Steve Holmes wrote:
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> > > 
> > > Well, I got Debian going pretty well now.  I got ALSA working with the
> > > proper order of sound cards, my network is using static address as I
> > > wish, and the default kernel supports NTFS so am able to read and
> > > write to my ntfs file system from normal users.
> > > 
> > > I do have one question that is bugging me.  I can't seem to get the
> > > console to go into any mode other than 25X80 mode.  Even at the boot
> > > prompt or in lilo.conf, I can specify vga=791 (first choice,
> > > vga=extended (should give me 50 lines) but no matter what, I boot and
> > > always get the 25 lines.  Under slackware, I got 50 lines all the time
> > > with vga=extended.  So I think there is something in Debian that is
> > > overriding me or Deb don't like my video card.  Is there something
> > > else I should be looking for to control this?  My biggest herdle now
> > > is to learn the configuration environment of Debian.  I'm used to
> > > editing configuration files and Debian has got these config scripts to
> > > simplify thing; I just need to learn them.
> > > 
> > > I appreciate the help and the help previously given me concerning the
> > > boot problems.
> > > 
> > > Thanks.
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Re: Debian Well Underway

[Steve Holmes]

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Yes, it looks like the exact same kernel here.  Wonder if I need to
have some frame buffer packages installed or something.  I began
looking at the console related stuff but haven't uncovered anything
yet.  Still looking for ideas.

On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 04:11:43AM -0400, Chuck Hallenbeck wrote:
> Steve,
> 
> uname -a tells me:
> Linux cq 2.6.26-1-686 #1 SMP Wed Sep 10 16:46:13 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux
> 
> Straight from the archives, never touched by human hands. My
> motherboard is an Intel 945G
> 
> Chuck
> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 09:17:22PM -0700, Steve Holmes wrote:
> > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
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> > 
> > I sure wish I could get that.  I wonder if the kernels are different
> > or if the lilo stuff isn't passing the command line parm right.  I
> > wonder about the frame buffer issue.  As soon as I get through with
> > the mail here, I'm gonna follow Samuel's advice and look for any
> > console file s in /etc; maybe that will give me some clues.  When I
> > was in gnome on slackware, I really liked the extra wide screen plus
> > the 48 lines or so.
> > 
> > On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 07:33:14PM -0400, Chuck Hallenbeck wrote:
> > > Steve,
> > > 
> > > On my Lenny system I have added the kernel command line option vga=791
> > > in my grub configuration, and it gives me 128 by 48  screens.
> > > 
> > > Chuck
> > > 
> > > On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 02:31:26PM -0700, Steve Holmes wrote:
> > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
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> > > > 
> > > > Well, I got Debian going pretty well now.  I got ALSA working with the
> > > > proper order of sound cards, my network is using static address as I
> > > > wish, and the default kernel supports NTFS so am able to read and
> > > > write to my ntfs file system from normal users.
> > > > 
> > > > I do have one question that is bugging me.  I can't seem to get the
> > > > console to go into any mode other than 25X80 mode.  Even at the boot
> > > > prompt or in lilo.conf, I can specify vga=791 (first choice,
> > > > vga=extended (should give me 50 lines) but no matter what, I boot and
> > > > always get the 25 lines.  Under slackware, I got 50 lines all the time
> > > > with vga=extended.  So I think there is something in Debian that is
> > > > overriding me or Deb don't like my video card.  Is there something
> > > > else I should be looking for to control this?  My biggest herdle now
> > > > is to learn the configuration environment of Debian.  I'm used to
> > > > editing configuration files and Debian has got these config scripts to
> > > > simplify thing; I just need to learn them.
> > > > 
> > > > I appreciate the help and the help previously given me concerning the
> > > > boot problems.
> > > > 
> > > > Thanks.
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> > > meaningful sense.
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Re: Debian Well Underway

[Chuck Hallenbeck]

Hi Steve,

I wish I could help you, but my installation is a really simple one. I
used Samuel's mini-beep.iso, and selected "standard" from the
configuration menu, and that's all it took. No extra packages relating
to frame buffers or displays, other than what the "standard" choice
implied. I switched from lilo to grub a long time ago, so I can't
compare my loader configuration to yours directly.   But for what it's
worth, here's the kernel line from my grub menu.lst:

kernel          /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.26-1-686 root=/dev/sda1 ro vga=791
quiet

That seemed to wrap just now, but it's all one line in the
configuration file. There's also an initrd, but again it was done for
me by magic, I did nothing to modify or enhance it.

Chuck



On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 04:48:11AM -0700, Steve Holmes wrote:
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> Yes, it looks like the exact same kernel here.  Wonder if I need to
> have some frame buffer packages installed or something.  I began
> looking at the console related stuff but haven't uncovered anything
> yet.  Still looking for ideas.
> 

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Re: Debian Well Underway

[Erik Heil]

Hi their,
What I can tell you is that framebuffer support i.e. /dev/fb is not
present in at least 2.6.18 by default.  This is using the stock Debian
kernel and using a Geforece2MX video board.  Either framebuffer support is
not in the kernel, or their are problems with that type of particular
hardware.  This was, in fact, the culprit of my display problems I posted
about efroe.  It had nothing to do with the auto detection code that was
introduced between Sarge and Lenny.  Rather, the X server couldn't write
to the nonexistent framebuffer device, so of course it would generate an
error.  Log messages in this case were not helpful though.

--Erik

On Wed, 15 Oct 2008, Chuck Hallenbeck wrote:

> Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 09:55:03 -0400
> From: Chuck Hallenbeck <chuckh@ftml.net>
> Reply-To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
>     <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Subject: Re: Debian Well Underway
>
> Hi Steve,
>
> I wish I could help you, but my installation is a really simple one. I
> used Samuel's mini-beep.iso, and selected "standard" from the
> configuration menu, and that's all it took. No extra packages relating
> to frame buffers or displays, other than what the "standard" choice
> implied. I switched from lilo to grub a long time ago, so I can't
> compare my loader configuration to yours directly.   But for what it's
> worth, here's the kernel line from my grub menu.lst:
>
> kernel          /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.26-1-686 root=/dev/sda1 ro vga=791
> quiet
>
> That seemed to wrap just now, but it's all one line in the
> configuration file. There's also an initrd, but again it was done for
> me by magic, I did nothing to modify or enhance it.
>
> Chuck
>
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 04:48:11AM -0700, Steve Holmes wrote:
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> > Yes, it looks like the exact same kernel here.  Wonder if I need to
> > have some frame buffer packages installed or something.  I began
> > looking at the console related stuff but haven't uncovered anything
> > yet.  Still looking for ideas.
> >
>
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Re: Debian Well Underway

[Steve Holmes]

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Interesting observation.  I just suspended mutt and went into /dev and
sure enough, I have no fb device.  I don't really know anything about
framebuffer support so don't know about needing a /dev/fb or not to
enable larger screen sizes at the console.  Even so, vga=extended
wouldn't yield me 50 lines either.  Yet when I come into my box from a
remote ssh session, I use vt220 emulation and I get 42 rows and 111
columns.  I just can't seem to figure out how to do that with a linux
console.  While on the ssh session, $TERM shows VT220; while at home
locally, $TERM shows linux.

On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 10:57:13AM -0400, Erik Heil wrote:
> Hi their,
> What I can tell you is that framebuffer support i.e. /dev/fb is not
> present in at least 2.6.18 by default.  This is using the stock Debian
> kernel and using a Geforece2MX video board.  Either framebuffer support is
> not in the kernel, or their are problems with that type of particular
> hardware.  This was, in fact, the culprit of my display problems I posted
> about efroe.  It had nothing to do with the auto detection code that was
> introduced between Sarge and Lenny.  Rather, the X server couldn't write
> to the nonexistent framebuffer device, so of course it would generate an
> error.  Log messages in this case were not helpful though.
> 
> --Erik
> 
> On Wed, 15 Oct 2008, Chuck Hallenbeck wrote:
> 
> > Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 09:55:03 -0400
> > From: Chuck Hallenbeck <chuckh@ftml.net>
> > Reply-To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
> >     <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > Subject: Re: Debian Well Underway
> >
> > Hi Steve,
> >
> > I wish I could help you, but my installation is a really simple one. I
> > used Samuel's mini-beep.iso, and selected "standard" from the
> > configuration menu, and that's all it took. No extra packages relating
> > to frame buffers or displays, other than what the "standard" choice
> > implied. I switched from lilo to grub a long time ago, so I can't
> > compare my loader configuration to yours directly.   But for what it's
> > worth, here's the kernel line from my grub menu.lst:
> >
> > kernel          /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.26-1-686 root=/dev/sda1 ro vga=791
> > quiet
> >
> > That seemed to wrap just now, but it's all one line in the
> > configuration file. There's also an initrd, but again it was done for
> > me by magic, I did nothing to modify or enhance it.
> >
> > Chuck
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 04:48:11AM -0700, Steve Holmes wrote:
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> > > Yes, it looks like the exact same kernel here.  Wonder if I need to
> > > have some frame buffer packages installed or something.  I began
> > > looking at the console related stuff but haven't uncovered anything
> > > yet.  Still looking for ideas.
> > >
> >
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Re: Debian Well Underway

[Gregory Nowak]

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On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 09:01:09AM -0700, Steve Holmes wrote:
> Even so, vga=extended
> wouldn't yield me 50 lines either.  Yet when I come into my box from a
> remote ssh session, I use vt220 emulation and I get 42 rows and 111
> columns.  I just can't seem to figure out how to do that with a linux
> console.  While on the ssh session, $TERM shows VT220; while at home
> locally, $TERM shows linux.

This is because when in an ssh session, the screen size you get
depends on the client, not on the server. So, if you're sitting at a
machine that is configured for a larger screen, and you ssh into a
machine from there which isn't configured for a larger screen, you
will still get the larger screen size in your ssh session, because of
the configuration of the machine in front of which you're actually
sitting presently.

Greg


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Re: Debian Well Underway

[Chuck Hallenbeck]

Hi Steve,


On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 09:01:09AM -0700, Steve Holmes wrote:
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> Interesting observation.  I just suspended mutt and went into /dev and
> sure enough, I have no fb device.  I don't really know anything about
> framebuffer support so don't know about needing a /dev/fb or not to
> enable larger screen sizes at the console.  

I just checked my own /dev, and find /dev/fb0 present. For whatever
that's worth.

Chuck


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Re: Debian Well Underway

[Kerry Hoath]

keep in mind that when you ssh or telnet the screen geometry is sent by the 
host telnetting in so for example if you use Teraterm it will give rows and 
columns based on the window size as will cygwin.

The Linux console gives rows and columns based on how the console is set up.

As a matter of interest if you come in on a serial console then your rows 
and columns will be set to 0 as the serial console knows no better.

You can
stty rows 24 columns 80

however don't just
stty rows 60 columns 132

as your window won't fit on the console fix the underlying problem.

Regards, Kerry.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve Holmes" <steve@holmesgrown.com>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Friday, October 17, 2008 12:01 AM
Subject: Re: Debian Well Underway


> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: RIPEMD160
>
> Interesting observation.  I just suspended mutt and went into /dev and
> sure enough, I have no fb device.  I don't really know anything about
> framebuffer support so don't know about needing a /dev/fb or not to
> enable larger screen sizes at the console.  Even so, vga=extended
> wouldn't yield me 50 lines either.  Yet when I come into my box from a
> remote ssh session, I use vt220 emulation and I get 42 rows and 111
> columns.  I just can't seem to figure out how to do that with a linux
> console.  While on the ssh session, $TERM shows VT220; while at home
> locally, $TERM shows linux.
>
> On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 10:57:13AM -0400, Erik Heil wrote:
>> Hi their,
>> What I can tell you is that framebuffer support i.e. /dev/fb is not
>> present in at least 2.6.18 by default.  This is using the stock Debian
>> kernel and using a Geforece2MX video board.  Either framebuffer support 
>> is
>> not in the kernel, or their are problems with that type of particular
>> hardware.  This was, in fact, the culprit of my display problems I posted
>> about efroe.  It had nothing to do with the auto detection code that was
>> introduced between Sarge and Lenny.  Rather, the X server couldn't write
>> to the nonexistent framebuffer device, so of course it would generate an
>> error.  Log messages in this case were not helpful though.
>>
>> --Erik
>>
>> On Wed, 15 Oct 2008, Chuck Hallenbeck wrote:
>>
>> > Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 09:55:03 -0400
>> > From: Chuck Hallenbeck <chuckh@ftml.net>
>> > Reply-To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
>> >     <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
>> > To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. 
>> > <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
>> > Subject: Re: Debian Well Underway
>> >
>> > Hi Steve,
>> >
>> > I wish I could help you, but my installation is a really simple one. I
>> > used Samuel's mini-beep.iso, and selected "standard" from the
>> > configuration menu, and that's all it took. No extra packages relating
>> > to frame buffers or displays, other than what the "standard" choice
>> > implied. I switched from lilo to grub a long time ago, so I can't
>> > compare my loader configuration to yours directly.   But for what it's
>> > worth, here's the kernel line from my grub menu.lst:
>> >
>> > kernel          /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.26-1-686 root=/dev/sda1 ro vga=791
>> > quiet
>> >
>> > That seemed to wrap just now, but it's all one line in the
>> > configuration file. There's also an initrd, but again it was done for
>> > me by magic, I did nothing to modify or enhance it.
>> >
>> > Chuck
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 04:48:11AM -0700, Steve Holmes wrote:
>> > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>> > > Hash: RIPEMD160
>> > >
>> > > Yes, it looks like the exact same kernel here.  Wonder if I need to
>> > > have some frame buffer packages installed or something.  I began
>> > > looking at the console related stuff but haven't uncovered anything
>> > > yet.  Still looking for ideas.
>> > >
>> >
>> > --
>> > The Moon is Waning Gibbous (99% of Full)
>> >
>> > My web site: http://hallenbeck.ftml.net -- my telephone: 
>> > 1-518-334-9022.
>> >                                 --------
>> > Sarah Palin: At last, a Beauty Queen who doesn't want World Peace.
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Speakup mailing list
>> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>> >
>>
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