* Obtaining Debian @ Robert Spangler ` Samuel Thibault 0 siblings, 1 reply; 18+ messages in thread From: Robert Spangler @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Hello, I heard talk on here a little while ago that there is now an installation image with Speakup in it for the development/Lenny version of Debian? Would this be a Speakup-enabled installation medium that downloads the packages from the internet to do the installation? Would it pull from the development branch? Where may I find this image and instructions for how to activate Speakup on it? Thanks all, Robby ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 18+ messages in thread
* Re: Obtaining Debian Obtaining Debian Robert Spangler @ ` Samuel Thibault ` Kristoffer Gustafsson ` Robert Spangler 0 siblings, 2 replies; 18+ messages in thread From: Samuel Thibault @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Robert Spangler, le Wed 30 Jul 2008 14:46:06 -0400, a écrit : > I heard talk on here a little while ago that there is now an > installation image with Speakup in it for the development/Lenny version > of Debian? I uploaded a snapshot of the future Lenny installer on http://brl.thefreecat.org/mini.iso yes > Would this be a Speakup-enabled installation medium that > downloads the packages from the internet to do the installation? The image is 8MB only, so yes :) > Would it pull from the development branch? I can't remember for sure but I think it will pull Lenny. > Where may I find this image and instructions for how to activate > Speakup on it? See http://brl.thefreecat.org/wiki/moin.cgi/debian Samuel ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 18+ messages in thread
* Re: Obtaining Debian ` Samuel Thibault @ ` Kristoffer Gustafsson ` Samuel Thibault ` Robert Spangler 1 sibling, 1 reply; 18+ messages in thread From: Kristoffer Gustafsson @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Does this work with software speech, or only hardware speech? /Kristoffer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Samuel Thibault" <samuel.thibault@ens-lyon.org> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 11:47 PM Subject: Re: Obtaining Debian Robert Spangler, le Wed 30 Jul 2008 14:46:06 -0400, a écrit : > I heard talk on here a little while ago that there is now an > installation image with Speakup in it for the development/Lenny version > of Debian? I uploaded a snapshot of the future Lenny installer on http://brl.thefreecat.org/mini.iso yes > Would this be a Speakup-enabled installation medium that > downloads the packages from the internet to do the installation? The image is 8MB only, so yes :) > Would it pull from the development branch? I can't remember for sure but I think it will pull Lenny. > Where may I find this image and instructions for how to activate > Speakup on it? See http://brl.thefreecat.org/wiki/moin.cgi/debian Samuel _______________________________________________ Speakup mailing list Speakup@braille.uwo.ca http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 18+ messages in thread
* Re: Obtaining Debian ` Kristoffer Gustafsson @ ` Samuel Thibault ` Kristoffer Gustafsson 0 siblings, 1 reply; 18+ messages in thread From: Samuel Thibault @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Kristoffer Gustafsson, le Wed 30 Jul 2008 23:51:55 +0200, a écrit : > Does this work with software speech, or only hardware speech? Only hardware. There are thoughts about having a dedicated image with software speech, but it will most probably not be for Lenny unless somebody works on it. Samuel ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 18+ messages in thread
* Re: Obtaining Debian ` Samuel Thibault @ ` Kristoffer Gustafsson 0 siblings, 0 replies; 18+ messages in thread From: Kristoffer Gustafsson @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Hello! Ok, I can try and help you with that if you want. /Kristoffer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Samuel Thibault" <samuel.thibault@ens-lyon.org> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 12:07 AM Subject: Re: Obtaining Debian Kristoffer Gustafsson, le Wed 30 Jul 2008 23:51:55 +0200, a écrit : > Does this work with software speech, or only hardware speech? Only hardware. There are thoughts about having a dedicated image with software speech, but it will most probably not be for Lenny unless somebody works on it. Samuel _______________________________________________ Speakup mailing list Speakup@braille.uwo.ca http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 18+ messages in thread
* Re: Obtaining Debian ` Samuel Thibault ` Kristoffer Gustafsson @ ` Robert Spangler ` Samuel Thibault 1 sibling, 1 reply; 18+ messages in thread From: Robert Spangler @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. I burned the ISO to a CD and am trying to get it started. So, when it starts, I press tab and type speakup.synth=ltlk (because I am using a Double Talk LT). How do I know when the prompt is up? I have not been successful in getting it to start yet. Will it automatically boot up another kernel if I don't act in time? Robby Samuel Thibault wrote: > Robert Spangler, le Wed 30 Jul 2008 14:46:06 -0400, a écrit : >> I heard talk on here a little while ago that there is now an >> installation image with Speakup in it for the development/Lenny version >> of Debian? > > I uploaded a snapshot of the future Lenny installer on > http://brl.thefreecat.org/mini.iso > yes > >> Would this be a Speakup-enabled installation medium that >> downloads the packages from the internet to do the installation? > > The image is 8MB only, so yes :) > >> Would it pull from the development branch? > > I can't remember for sure but I think it will pull Lenny. > >> Where may I find this image and instructions for how to activate >> Speakup on it? > > See http://brl.thefreecat.org/wiki/moin.cgi/debian > > Samuel > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 18+ messages in thread
* Re: Obtaining Debian ` Robert Spangler @ ` Samuel Thibault ` Chuck Hallenbeck ` Robert Spangler 0 siblings, 2 replies; 18+ messages in thread From: Samuel Thibault @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Robert Spangler, le Fri 01 Aug 2008 01:46:52 -0400, a écrit : > I burned the ISO to a CD and am trying to get it started. So, when it > starts, I press tab and type speakup.synth=ltlk (because I am using a > Double Talk LT). How do I know when the prompt is up? I have not been > successful in getting it to start yet. Will it automatically boot up > another kernel if I don't act in time? There is no timeout. Having the debian installation CD beep at the prompt is currently in discussion on debian-boot, there is a test image on http://brl.thefreecat.org/mini-beep.iso Note: I probably forgot to mention: these images were built with the debian speakup modules version 3.0.2+git20080517.dfsg.1-2, iirc there was a crash issue in that version with some devices and ltlk. Samuel ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 18+ messages in thread
* Re: Obtaining Debian ` Samuel Thibault @ ` Chuck Hallenbeck ` Samuel Thibault ` Robert Spangler ` Robert Spangler 1 sibling, 2 replies; 18+ messages in thread From: Chuck Hallenbeck @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Hi Samuel, On Fri, Aug 01, 2008 at 11:16:35AM +0100, Samuel Thibault wrote: > There is no timeout. > > Having the debian installation CD beep at the prompt is currently in > discussion on debian-boot, there is a test image on > > http://brl.thefreecat.org/mini-beep.iso > > Note: > I probably forgot to mention: these images were built with the debian > speakup modules version 3.0.2+git20080517.dfsg.1-2, iirc there was a > crash issue in that version with some devices and ltlk. > > Samuel I have the same results as Robert, and also with the mini-beep image. The beep is extremely helpful to have, since it eliminates uncertainty about when to proceed with key presses. But neither image runs successfully with ltlk synth, unfortunately it is the only one available here for testing. Chuck -- The Moon is New My web site: http://hallenbeck.ftml.net and my cell phone: 1-518-334-9022. -------- It is impossible for an optimist to be pleasantly surprised. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 18+ messages in thread
* Re: Obtaining Debian ` Chuck Hallenbeck @ ` Samuel Thibault ` Chuck Hallenbeck ` Robert Spangler 1 sibling, 1 reply; 18+ messages in thread From: Samuel Thibault @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. I have updated http://brl.thefreecat.org/mini-beep.iso with the latest debian speakup modules (3.0.3+git20080724.dfsg.1-1), which indeed fix the crash of ltlk. Samuel ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 18+ messages in thread
* Re: Obtaining Debian ` Samuel Thibault @ ` Chuck Hallenbeck ` Robert Spangler 0 siblings, 1 reply; 18+ messages in thread From: Chuck Hallenbeck @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Samuel, On Fri, Aug 01, 2008 at 02:17:52PM +0100, Samuel Thibault wrote: > I have updated > http://brl.thefreecat.org/mini-beep.iso > with the latest debian speakup modules (3.0.3+git20080724.dfsg.1-1), > which indeed fix the crash of ltlk. > > Samuel Confirmation. Works correctly, at least as far as the prompt for language choice. I went no further with it on this system at the moment. System here is an Intel 945, dual core P4 processor, SATA drive, 1 GB ram. Many thanks for your work with this. Chuck -- The Moon is New My web site: http://hallenbeck.ftml.net and my cell phone: 1-518-334-9022. -------- It is impossible for an optimist to be pleasantly surprised. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 18+ messages in thread
* Re: Obtaining Debian ` Chuck Hallenbeck @ ` Robert Spangler ` Chuck Hallenbeck ` Samuel Thibault 0 siblings, 2 replies; 18+ messages in thread From: Robert Spangler @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. If it is compiled as modules, though, how will the kernel know that is a valid kernel argument? Chuck Hallenbeck wrote: > Samuel, > > On Fri, Aug 01, 2008 at 02:17:52PM +0100, Samuel Thibault wrote: >> I have updated >> http://brl.thefreecat.org/mini-beep.iso >> with the latest debian speakup modules (3.0.3+git20080724.dfsg.1-1), >> which indeed fix the crash of ltlk. >> >> Samuel > > Confirmation. Works correctly, at least as far as the prompt for > language choice. I went no further with it on this system at the > moment. > > System here is an Intel 945, dual core P4 processor, SATA drive, 1 GB ram. > > Many thanks for your work with this. > Chuck > > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 18+ messages in thread
* Re: Obtaining Debian ` Robert Spangler @ ` Chuck Hallenbeck ` Robert Spangler ` Samuel Thibault 1 sibling, 1 reply; 18+ messages in thread From: Chuck Hallenbeck @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Robert, My guess is that the module is loaded in the initrd, the "initial ram disk". But mine comes up talking just fine here. Chuck On Fri, Aug 01, 2008 at 12:59:52PM -0400, Robert Spangler wrote: > If it is compiled as modules, though, how will the kernel know that is a > valid kernel argument? > > > Chuck Hallenbeck wrote: >> Samuel, >> >> On Fri, Aug 01, 2008 at 02:17:52PM +0100, Samuel Thibault wrote: >>> I have updated >>> http://brl.thefreecat.org/mini-beep.iso >>> with the latest debian speakup modules (3.0.3+git20080724.dfsg.1-1), >>> which indeed fix the crash of ltlk. >>> >>> Samuel >> >> Confirmation. Works correctly, at least as far as the prompt for >> language choice. I went no further with it on this system at the >> moment. >> >> System here is an Intel 945, dual core P4 processor, SATA drive, 1 GB ram. >> >> Many thanks for your work with this. Chuck >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup -- The Moon is New My web site: http://hallenbeck.ftml.net and my cell phone: 1-518-334-9022. -------- It is impossible for an optimist to be pleasantly surprised. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 18+ messages in thread
* Re: Obtaining Debian ` Chuck Hallenbeck @ ` Robert Spangler ` Chuck Hallenbeck 0 siblings, 1 reply; 18+ messages in thread From: Robert Spangler @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. So you load the CD, hear the beep, tab and do speakup.synth=ltlk and hit enter? I get nothing. Do I need to wait a while? I do hear the beep. Chuck Hallenbeck wrote: > Robert, > > My guess is that the module is loaded in the initrd, the "initial ram > disk". > > But mine comes up talking just fine here. > > Chuck > > > On Fri, Aug 01, 2008 at 12:59:52PM -0400, Robert Spangler wrote: >> If it is compiled as modules, though, how will the kernel know that is a >> valid kernel argument? >> >> >> Chuck Hallenbeck wrote: >>> Samuel, >>> >>> On Fri, Aug 01, 2008 at 02:17:52PM +0100, Samuel Thibault wrote: >>>> I have updated >>>> http://brl.thefreecat.org/mini-beep.iso >>>> with the latest debian speakup modules (3.0.3+git20080724.dfsg.1-1), >>>> which indeed fix the crash of ltlk. >>>> >>>> Samuel >>> Confirmation. Works correctly, at least as far as the prompt for >>> language choice. I went no further with it on this system at the >>> moment. >>> >>> System here is an Intel 945, dual core P4 processor, SATA drive, 1 GB ram. >>> >>> Many thanks for your work with this. Chuck >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Speakup mailing list >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 18+ messages in thread
* Re: Obtaining Debian ` Robert Spangler @ ` Chuck Hallenbeck 0 siblings, 0 replies; 18+ messages in thread From: Chuck Hallenbeck @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Hi, On Fri, Aug 01, 2008 at 01:45:08PM -0400, Robert Spangler wrote: > So you load the CD, hear the beep, tab and do speakup.synth=ltlk and hit > enter? I get nothing. Do I need to wait a while? I do hear the beep. Yes, exactly. After hearing the beep, pressing tab, typing that parameter and pressing enter, it took only about 15 or 20 seconds to begin chattering away. The first question it asks is to select a language, but at that point I did a hard reset instead of letting it proceed. Chuck -- The Moon is New My web site: http://hallenbeck.ftml.net and my cell phone: 1-518-334-9022. -------- It is impossible for an optimist to be pleasantly surprised. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 18+ messages in thread
* Re: Obtaining Debian ` Robert Spangler ` Chuck Hallenbeck @ ` Samuel Thibault 1 sibling, 0 replies; 18+ messages in thread From: Samuel Thibault @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Robert Spangler, le Fri 01 Aug 2008 12:59:52 -0400, a écrit : > If it is compiled as modules, though, how will the kernel know that is a > valid kernel argument? It doesn't, that's my debian scripts that do. Samuel ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 18+ messages in thread
* Re: Obtaining Debian ` Chuck Hallenbeck ` Samuel Thibault @ ` Robert Spangler 1 sibling, 0 replies; 18+ messages in thread From: Robert Spangler @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. OK - the problem is that it is compiled as a module and not into the kernel. Chuck Hallenbeck wrote: > Hi Samuel, > On Fri, Aug 01, 2008 at 11:16:35AM +0100, Samuel Thibault wrote: >> There is no timeout. >> >> Having the debian installation CD beep at the prompt is currently in >> discussion on debian-boot, there is a test image on >> >> http://brl.thefreecat.org/mini-beep.iso >> >> Note: >> I probably forgot to mention: these images were built with the debian >> speakup modules version 3.0.2+git20080517.dfsg.1-2, iirc there was a >> crash issue in that version with some devices and ltlk. >> >> Samuel > > I have the same results as Robert, and also with the mini-beep image. > The beep is extremely helpful to have, since it eliminates uncertainty > about when to proceed with key presses. > > But neither image runs successfully with ltlk synth, unfortunately it > is the only one available here for testing. > > Chuck > > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 18+ messages in thread
* Re: Obtaining Debian ` Samuel Thibault ` Chuck Hallenbeck @ ` Robert Spangler ` Samuel Thibault 1 sibling, 1 reply; 18+ messages in thread From: Robert Spangler @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. My friend just tried to boot it for me, who has sight, and told me that it says speakup.synth invalid option or something. Samuel Thibault wrote: > Robert Spangler, le Fri 01 Aug 2008 01:46:52 -0400, a écrit : >> I burned the ISO to a CD and am trying to get it started. So, when it >> starts, I press tab and type speakup.synth=ltlk (because I am using a >> Double Talk LT). How do I know when the prompt is up? I have not been >> successful in getting it to start yet. Will it automatically boot up >> another kernel if I don't act in time? > > There is no timeout. > > Having the debian installation CD beep at the prompt is currently in > discussion on debian-boot, there is a test image on > > http://brl.thefreecat.org/mini-beep.iso > > Note: > I probably forgot to mention: these images were built with the debian > speakup modules version 3.0.2+git20080517.dfsg.1-2, iirc there was a > crash issue in that version with some devices and ltlk. > > Samuel > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 18+ messages in thread
* Re: Obtaining Debian ` Robert Spangler @ ` Samuel Thibault 0 siblings, 0 replies; 18+ messages in thread From: Samuel Thibault @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Robert Spangler, le Fri 01 Aug 2008 12:57:04 -0400, a écrit : > My friend just tried to boot it for me, who has sight, and told me that > it says speakup.synth invalid option or something. > > OK - the problem is that it is compiled as a module and not into the kernel. Yes. It's a bit weird because I used the same syntax as when speakup is compiled into the kernel, but even if the kernel complains about that, the debian init scripts recognize the option and load the proper module. Samuel ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 18+ messages in thread
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