Re: Anyone know what is happening in Debian Lenny?

Re: Anyone know what is happening in Debian Lenny?

[luke]

On Wed, 18 Jun 2008, Georgina Joyce wrote:

> On Wed, 2008-06-18 at 00:55 +0200, Kristoffer Gustafsson wrote:
> > How many consoles can you have at the same time?
> 
> I have 11 text terminals and 4 virtual desktops from console 7 within
> Gnome at my disposal.  
> 
> This keyboard only has 12 function keys.

The function keys do not limit your virtual consoles: I have only 12 
function keys, but a year or so ago I set my inittab to give me 24 virtual 
consoles.  The second set of 12 are only accessible via the alt-leftarrow 
, alt-rightarrow sequences, from the first and twelfth virtual consoles 
respectively.

Afaik, you can have up to 256, although how exactly one would manage all 
of those is beyond me.

Luke

Re: Anyone know what is happening in Debian Lenny?

[Gaijin]

On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 02:23:42PM -0400, luke wrote:
> The second set of 12 are only accessible via the alt-leftarrow 
> , alt-rightarrow sequences, from the first and twelfth virtual consoles 
::End-Quote::

	I recall from back in my DOS days that I could accessfunction
keys from F13 on by adding both shift and control keys into the mix in
different combinations.  But then again, I was using an Omnikey Ultra
keyboard, which was pretty fancy for that day.  It had DIP switches in
the back that allowed you to configure the thing for a Dvorak layout,
re-assign the capslock and shift keys, and a slew of other neat tricks.
If you can even find them, they're now going for $200 and up, used, and
cost only $70 when they were new.  Anyway, it might only take some
editing of a keyboard config to make F13 on accessible with the addition
of the shift and control keys.

			Michael

Re: Anyone know what is happening in Debian Lenny?

[luke]

On Wed, 18 Jun 2008, Gaijin wrote:

> On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 02:23:42PM -0400, luke wrote:
> > The second set of 12 are only accessible via the alt-leftarrow 
> > , alt-rightarrow sequences, from the first and twelfth virtual consoles 
> ::End-Quote::
> 
> 	I recall from back in my DOS days that I could accessfunction
> keys from F13 on by adding both shift and control keys into the mix in
> different combinations.  But then again, I was using an Omnikey Ultra
> keyboard, which was pretty fancy for that day.  It had DIP switches in
> the back that allowed you to configure the thing for a Dvorak layout,
> re-assign the capslock and shift keys, and a slew of other neat tricks.
> If you can even find them, they're now going for $200 and up, used, and
> cost only $70 when they were new.  Anyway, it might only take some
> editing of a keyboard config to make F13 on accessible with the addition
> of the shift and control keys.

Heh.  I justed this some more, and the altgar key (right alt) can access 
13 through 24.

Luke

Re: Anyone know what is happening in Debian Lenny?

[Gregory Nowak]

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On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 04:26:48PM -0400, luke wrote:
> Heh.  I justed this some more, and the altgar key (right alt) can access 
> 13 through 24.

Can you clarify that? I'm sure you don't mean just altgar by itself.

Greg


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Re: Anyone know what is happening in Debian Lenny?

[luke]

On Wed, 18 Jun 2008, Gregory Nowak wrote:

> On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 04:26:48PM -0400, luke wrote:
> > Heh.  I justed this some more, and the altgar key (right alt) can access 
> > 13 through 24.
> 
> Can you clarify that? I'm sure you don't mean just altgar by itself.

No--that would certainly be a feat.  I mean that as a modifier for the 
function keys: altgar-F1 will get you TTY13; altgar-F2 will get you TTY14, 
etc..

Luke

Re: Anyone know what is happening in Debian Lenny?

[Gregory Nowak]

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On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 04:57:38PM -0400, luke wrote:
> No--that would certainly be a feat.  I mean that as a modifier for the 
> function keys: altgar-F1 will get you TTY13; altgar-F2 will get you TTY14, 
> etc..

Ah, I see. If one is running x, would ctrl+altgar+fx work this way as
well, just as ctrl+leftalt+fx do for f1-12?

Greg


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Re: Anyone know what is happening in Debian Lenny?

[luke]

On Wed, 18 Jun 2008, Gregory Nowak wrote:

> On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 04:57:38PM -0400, luke wrote:
> > No--that would certainly be a feat.  I mean that as a modifier for the 
> > function keys: altgar-F1 will get you TTY13; altgar-F2 will get you TTY14, 
> > etc..
> 
> Ah, I see. If one is running x, would ctrl+altgar+fx work this way as
> well, just as ctrl+leftalt+fx do for f1-12?

That answer will have to await someone running X willing to play around 
with it.

Luke

Re: Anyone know what is happening in Debian Lenny?

[Ralph W. Reid]

On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 02:23:42PM -0400, luke wrote:
> On Wed, 18 Jun 2008, Georgina Joyce wrote:
> 
> > On Wed, 2008-06-18 at 00:55 +0200, Kristoffer Gustafsson wrote:
> > > How many consoles can you have at the same time?
> > 
> > I have 11 text terminals and 4 virtual desktops from console 7 within
> > Gnome at my disposal.  
> > 
> > This keyboard only has 12 function keys.
> 
> The function keys do not limit your virtual consoles: I have only 12 
> function keys, but a year or so ago I set my inittab to give me 24 virtual 
> consoles.  The second set of 12 are only accessible via the alt-leftarrow 
> , alt-rightarrow sequences, from the first and twelfth virtual consoles 
> respectively.
> 
> Afaik, you can have up to 256, although how exactly one would manage all 
> of those is beyond me.
> 
> Luke

Have you tried using the right alt key with your function keys to see
if these key combinations get you to tty13-tty25?  On my Slackware
system, left_alt+functionkey<n> lets me jump to virtual terminal <n>
and right_alt+functionkey<n> lets me jump to virtual terminal <n>+12
to get me to terminals 13-24.  Look up the man pages for chvt and
deallocvt for more terminal management.  The screen program can also
be useful at times--it sets up several 'screens' on a single virtual
terminal among other things.  See the man page for screen.  I believe
key combinations can be mapped to jump directly to even more terminals
if 24 are not enough.  I currently have 25 virtual terminals set up in
my inittab.

HTH, and have a great day.

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Re: Anyone know what is happening in Debian Lenny?

[luke]

On Thu, 19 Jun 2008, Ralph W. Reid wrote:

> Have you tried using the right alt key with your function keys to see
> if these key combinations get you to tty13-tty25?  On my Slackware
> system, left_alt+functionkey<n> lets me jump to virtual terminal <n>
> and right_alt+functionkey<n> lets me jump to virtual terminal <n>+12
> to get me to terminals 13-24.

That is the altgar combination which I posted about finding later in the 
day.
Useful indeed.

> deallocvt for more terminal management.  The screen program can also
> be useful at times--it sets up several 'screens' on a single virtual
> terminal among other things.  See the man page for screen.  I believe

Yes, screen is marvelous.  Even better than its multiple sessions, is the 
attach detach feature set.

Luke

Re: Anyone know what is happening in Debian Lenny?

[chomiak7737]

Hey, I don't know. I'm running unstable, and orca and gnome and all were
running fine. But a couple of weeks ago there was a major upgrade and I
basically lost my Xwindows completely. when I try to fix it, I get "broken
packages". Haven't gotten real upset about it because (1) I use linux
mostly in text console and do my gui stuff in Mac and windows; and (2) if
you're going to run unstable you have to be prepared for just about
anything!!! Of course that doesn't solve your lenny problem but maybe it's
related somehow.



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"Where your treasure is,
there will your heart be also."

Re: Anyone know what is happening in Debian Lenny?

[Gaijin]

On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 06:33:37PM -0400, luke wrote:
> Why: does control-z no longer work to suspend?

	Not always, no.

				Michael

Re: Anyone know what is happening in Debian Lenny?

[Georgina Joyce]

On Wed, 2008-06-18 at 00:55 +0200, Kristoffer Gustafsson wrote:
> How many consoles can you have at the same time?

I have 11 text terminals and 4 virtual desktops from console 7 within
Gnome at my disposal.  

This keyboard only has 12 function keys.

Gena

Re: Anyone know what is happening in Debian Lenny?

[Kristoffer Gustafsson]

How many consoles can you have at the same time?
/Kristoffer
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Subject: Re: Anyone know what is happening in Debian Lenny?


> On Tue, 17 Jun 2008, Gaijin wrote:
>
>> Just did a tasksel install of the X11 desktop environment in
>> Debian Lenny, and everything was working fine until I rebooted.  I was
>> left with the usually silent gdm screen, so had no idea what was 
>> happening,
>> and now I have  access to only one text console now.  Those F-wits at
>> Debian have really F'ed up my computer.  Any Debian gurus out there know
>> how to make Debian respawn the normal number of text consoles, so I
>> don't have to do a full reinstall from Etch, a'la the Mickeysoft method?
>> I can't even consult a man page at the same time I'm working on
>> something any more.
>
> Why: does control-z no longer work to suspend?
>
> How about the screen program to have virtual virtual consoles?
>
> As for a solution: edit your /etc/inittab file, and add more consoles.  At
> least, that's how it is done if you're not in an X environment.
>
> Luke
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Re: Anyone know what is happening in Debian Lenny?

[luke]

On Tue, 17 Jun 2008, Gaijin wrote:

> 	Just did a tasksel install of the X11 desktop environment in
> Debian Lenny, and everything was working fine until I rebooted.  I was
> left with the usually silent gdm screen, so had no idea what was happening,
> and now I have  access to only one text console now.  Those F-wits at
> Debian have really F'ed up my computer.  Any Debian gurus out there know
> how to make Debian respawn the normal number of text consoles, so I
> don't have to do a full reinstall from Etch, a'la the Mickeysoft method?
> I can't even consult a man page at the same time I'm working on
> something any more.

Why: does control-z no longer work to suspend?

How about the screen program to have virtual virtual consoles?

As for a solution: edit your /etc/inittab file, and add more consoles.  At 
least, that's how it is done if you're not in an X environment.

Luke

Re: Anyone know what is happening in Debian Lenny?

[Gaijin]

On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 02:09:20PM -0700, Gregory Nowak wrote:
> consoles is controlled in /etc/inittab, I would start by looking there

	That was the first thing I checked when I got a text console
working.  It was my stewpid keyboard at fault, with it's function key
toggle.  Not entirely sure what it does, beyond turning the keys on and
off, but that was the culprit preventing me from using the function
keys..  Sure wish they still made the Omnikey line of keyboards.  I
really loved that puppy...

			Michael

Re: Anyone know what is happening in Debian Lenny?

[Gregory Nowak]

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I'm running gnome under lenny/sid right now with no problems, though I
must admit I did my tasksel for gnome a while ago. Spawning up of
consoles is controlled in /etc/inittab, I would start by looking there
first. I'd say you're being dropped into single user, runlevel 1, but
that's not the case if you have gdm coming up, as far as I know.

Greg


On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 02:04:46PM -0700, Gaijin wrote:
> 	Just did a tasksel install of the X11 desktop environment in
> Debian Lenny, and everything was working fine until I rebooted.  I was
> left with the usually silent gdm screen, so had no idea what was happening,
> and now I have  access to only one text console now.  Those F-wits at
> Debian have really F'ed up my computer.  Any Debian gurus out there know
> how to make Debian respawn the normal number of text consoles, so I
> don't have to do a full reinstall from Etch, a'la the Mickeysoft method?
> I can't even consult a man page at the same time I'm working on
> something any more.
> 
> 			Michael
> 
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Anyone know what is happening in Debian Lenny?

[Gaijin]

	Just did a tasksel install of the X11 desktop environment in
Debian Lenny, and everything was working fine until I rebooted.  I was
left with the usually silent gdm screen, so had no idea what was happening,
and now I have  access to only one text console now.  Those F-wits at
Debian have really F'ed up my computer.  Any Debian gurus out there know
how to make Debian respawn the normal number of text consoles, so I
don't have to do a full reinstall from Etch, a'la the Mickeysoft method?
I can't even consult a man page at the same time I'm working on
something any more.

			Michael