Gentoo - where's speakup been put?

Gentoo - where's speakup been put?

[Georgina Joyce]

Hi Gentoo users

I've just partially installed gentoo 2008.0 and emerged speakup.
However, I don't understand where it has placed the files.  It doesn't
appear to have automatically patched the kernel source.  So where are
the patches?

I had to create the /etc/portage directory myself and create the
package.keywords file myself.  Has my installation gone wrong?

Thanks.

Gena
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M0EBP

Re: Gentoo - where's speakup been put?

[William Hubbs]

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Hi Gena,

your install is working the way it is supposed to.  You have to create
the /etc/portage/package.keywords file so that  you can install speakup
since it is a masked package currently.

The patching is handled when you emerge gentoo-sources, so there are no
.orig files laying around.

Thanks,

William

On Tue, May 06, 2008 at 03:35:05PM +0100, Georgina Joyce wrote:
> Hi Gentoo users
> 
> I've just partially installed gentoo 2008.0 and emerged speakup.
> However, I don't understand where it has placed the files.  It doesn't
> appear to have automatically patched the kernel source.  So where are
> the patches?
> 
> I had to create the /etc/portage directory myself and create the
> package.keywords file myself.  Has my installation gone wrong?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Gena
> -- 
> Gena
> 
> http://www.ready2golinux.com
> 
> M0EBP
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

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William Hubbs
gentoo accessibility team lead
williamh@gentoo.org
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Re: Gentoo - where's speakup been put?

[Georgina Joyce]

> The patching is handled when you emerge gentoo-sources, so there are no
> .orig files laying around.
> 
I see, I'll try and re-emerge gentoo sources.  So I've done it the wrong
way around.

Did I understand that there will be a newer speakup git available via
emerge soon?

Thinking about it, does this mean that for each new kernel version and
new speakup git my machine will rebuild a new kernel?  If so, do I just
remove the kernel and speakup from the portage system? Because once I
have a kernel tailored to the hardware I don't see the point of
frequently changing the kernel.
 
Thanks.

Gena

Re: Gentoo - where's speakup been put?

[William Hubbs]

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Hi Gena,

Actually, you have it reversed.  You will need to re-emerge speakup
after you upgrade your kernel, not the other way around.  The patches
are part of gentoo-sources, whether or not you install speakup.

Yes, I am planning on doing another snapshot for gentoo, probably no
later than this weekend.  There have been several changes to the git
repository the last few days, so I want to wait a day to be sure we
don't get any bug reports.

On Wed, May 07, 2008 at 07:54:22AM +0100, Georgina Joyce wrote:
> 
> > The patching is handled when you emerge gentoo-sources, so there are no
> > .orig files laying around.
> > 
> I see, I'll try and re-emerge gentoo sources.  So I've done it the wrong
> way around.
> 
> Did I understand that there will be a newer speakup git available via
> emerge soon?
> 
> Thinking about it, does this mean that for each new kernel version and
> new speakup git my machine will rebuild a new kernel?  If so, do I just
> remove the kernel and speakup from the portage system? Because once I
> have a kernel tailored to the hardware I don't see the point of
> frequently changing the kernel.
>  
> Thanks.
> 
> Gena
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

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William Hubbs
gentoo accessibility team lead
williamh@gentoo.org
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Re: Gentoo - where's speakup been put?

[Georgina Joyce]

> Actually, you have it reversed.  You will need to re-emerge speakup
> after you upgrade your kernel, not the other way around.  The patches
> are part of gentoo-sources, whether or not you install speakup.


Sorry, I'm confused here.  I emerged gentoo-sources which gave me the
kernel source then I created my /etc/portage directory and the required
package.keywords file.  Then emerged speakup.  So you are saying that
the sources are ready for further configuration according to hardware
and compilation and I can proceed with the install?

I'll set up the chroot env again and run menuconfig and I'll
immmediately be able to see if speakup is there.  

As I've used git and fresh kernel sources previously.  I expected to see
a directory called speakup ready for me to run the installer manually.

Thanks.

Gena
  

Re: Gentoo - where's speakup been put?

[William Hubbs]

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Hi Gena,

> Sorry, I'm confused here.  I emerged gentoo-sources which gave me the
> kernel source then I created my /etc/portage directory and the required
> package.keywords file.  Then emerged speakup.  So you are saying that
> the sources are ready for further configuration according to hardware
> and compilation and I can proceed with the install?
 
 That is correct, see my comment below about speakup.

> I'll set up the chroot env again and run menuconfig and I'll
> immmediately be able to see if speakup is there.  

No, not in menuconfig.  On gentoo, speakup is installed the same way
alsa was before it became part of kernel.org.  It is a set of modules,
outside the kernel.

I need to make one correction on the steps I gave you.  Once you are in
the croot, emerge, configure, compile and install your kernel.  Make
sure that /usr/src/linux points to the correct kernel tree.  Once that
is set up, then emerge speakup.

Again, in order for all of this to work, you must use at least
gentoo-sources-2.6.25-r1.

Once you have that set up, you should specify in
/etc/modules.autoload.d/kernel-2.6 which synthesizer you want to load,
for example:

speakup_ltlk start=1

But, I am about to do another snapshot for gentoo, and when that
happens, you will no longer need the start parameter.

Let me know if you still have questions.

William

> As I've used git and fresh kernel sources previously.  I expected to see
> a directory called speakup ready for me to run the installer manually.
 
> Thanks.
> 
> Gena
>   
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

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gentoo accessibility team lead
williamh@gentoo.org
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Re: Gentoo - where's speakup been put?

[Robert Spangler]

I am assuming that, via this method, one would not have speech right at 
boot?

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From: "William Hubbs" <williamh@gentoo.org>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 9:59 PM
Subject: Re: Gentoo - where's speakup been put?


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> Hi Gena,
>
>> Sorry, I'm confused here.  I emerged gentoo-sources which gave me the
>> kernel source then I created my /etc/portage directory and the required
>> package.keywords file.  Then emerged speakup.  So you are saying that
>> the sources are ready for further configuration according to hardware
>> and compilation and I can proceed with the install?
>
> That is correct, see my comment below about speakup.
>
>> I'll set up the chroot env again and run menuconfig and I'll
>> immmediately be able to see if speakup is there.
>
> No, not in menuconfig.  On gentoo, speakup is installed the same way
> alsa was before it became part of kernel.org.  It is a set of modules,
> outside the kernel.
>
> I need to make one correction on the steps I gave you.  Once you are in
> the croot, emerge, configure, compile and install your kernel.  Make
> sure that /usr/src/linux points to the correct kernel tree.  Once that
> is set up, then emerge speakup.
>
> Again, in order for all of this to work, you must use at least
> gentoo-sources-2.6.25-r1.
>
> Once you have that set up, you should specify in
> /etc/modules.autoload.d/kernel-2.6 which synthesizer you want to load,
> for example:
>
> speakup_ltlk start=1
>
> But, I am about to do another snapshot for gentoo, and when that
> happens, you will no longer need the start parameter.
>
> Let me know if you still have questions.
>
> William
>
>> As I've used git and fresh kernel sources previously.  I expected to see
>> a directory called speakup ready for me to run the installer manually.
>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Gena
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Speakup mailing list
>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
> - -- 
> William Hubbs
> gentoo accessibility team lead
> williamh@gentoo.org
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Re: Gentoo - where's speakup been put?

[Garrett Klein]

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William,

How will this work for those of us who want speakup in the kernel? Are
we just going to have to stick with vanilla kernel.org kernels?

Garrett
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Re: Gentoo - where's speakup been put?

[William Hubbs]

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Hi Garrett,

> How will this work for those of us who want speakup in the kernel? Are
> we just going to have to stick with vanilla kernel.org kernels?

Until 2.6.26 comes out, that is what I suggest.  Here is why.

Putting speakup directly into the kernel requires two patches.  A patch
to the kernel sources, and a patch to the build system.  If you try to
run the install script from the speakup git repository, it will attempt
to apply both patches to the kernel.  But, since the patch to the
sources is already applied to gentoo-sources, this would be an error
condition.

The reason this will be different with 2.6.26 is that our patche to the
sources was accepted into the official kernel.org tree, so now we only
will patch the build system if you want to have speakup in the kernel.

Speakup itself will not be in 2.6.26, just the hooks that make it
possible for speakup to run.  There are still issues to work out with
speakup before we can ask for it to be accepted into the official kernel
tree.

Does that make sense?

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William Hubbs
gentoo accessibility team lead
williamh@gentoo.org
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Re: Gentoo - where's speakup been put?

[Garrett Klein]

William,

This makes perfect sense. Thanks for your concise explanation.

Garrett

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> Hi Garrett,
> 
> > How will this work for those of us who want speakup in the kernel? Are
> > we just going to have to stick with vanilla kernel.org kernels?
> 
> Until 2.6.26 comes out, that is what I suggest.  Here is why.
> 
> Putting speakup directly into the kernel requires two patches.  A patch
> to the kernel sources, and a patch to the build system.  If you try to
> run the install script from the speakup git repository, it will attempt
> to apply both patches to the kernel.  But, since the patch to the
> sources is already applied to gentoo-sources, this would be an error
> condition.
> 
> The reason this will be different with 2.6.26 is that our patche to the
> sources was accepted into the official kernel.org tree, so now we only
> will patch the build system if you want to have speakup in the kernel.
> 
> Speakup itself will not be in 2.6.26, just the hooks that make it
> possible for speakup to run.  There are still issues to work out with
> speakup before we can ask for it to be accepted into the official kernel
> tree.
> 
> Does that make sense?
> 
> - -- 
> William Hubbs
> gentoo accessibility team lead
> williamh@gentoo.org
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Re: Gentoo - where's speakup been put?

[Garrett Klein]

William,

Thanks for your concise explanation. I really should get involved more
with Gentoo and/or Speakup ... is the accessibility team looking for
anymore manpower?

Garrett

On Thu, 2008-05-08 at 21:22 -0500, William Hubbs wrote:
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> Hi Garrett,
> 
> > How will this work for those of us who want speakup in the kernel? Are
> > we just going to have to stick with vanilla kernel.org kernels?
> 
> Until 2.6.26 comes out, that is what I suggest.  Here is why.
> 
> Putting speakup directly into the kernel requires two patches.  A patch
> to the kernel sources, and a patch to the build system.  If you try to
> run the install script from the speakup git repository, it will attempt
> to apply both patches to the kernel.  But, since the patch to the
> sources is already applied to gentoo-sources, this would be an error
> condition.
> 
> The reason this will be different with 2.6.26 is that our patche to the
> sources was accepted into the official kernel.org tree, so now we only
> will patch the build system if you want to have speakup in the kernel.
> 
> Speakup itself will not be in 2.6.26, just the hooks that make it
> possible for speakup to run.  There are still issues to work out with
> speakup before we can ask for it to be accepted into the official kernel
> tree.
> 
> Does that make sense?
> 
> - -- 
> William Hubbs
> gentoo accessibility team lead
> williamh@gentoo.org
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