* Gentoo - where's speakup been put? @ Georgina Joyce ` William Hubbs 0 siblings, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread From: Georgina Joyce @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup Hi Gentoo users I've just partially installed gentoo 2008.0 and emerged speakup. However, I don't understand where it has placed the files. It doesn't appear to have automatically patched the kernel source. So where are the patches? I had to create the /etc/portage directory myself and create the package.keywords file myself. Has my installation gone wrong? Thanks. Gena -- Gena http://www.ready2golinux.com M0EBP ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* Re: Gentoo - where's speakup been put? Gentoo - where's speakup been put? Georgina Joyce @ ` William Hubbs ` Georgina Joyce 0 siblings, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread From: William Hubbs @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi Gena, your install is working the way it is supposed to. You have to create the /etc/portage/package.keywords file so that you can install speakup since it is a masked package currently. The patching is handled when you emerge gentoo-sources, so there are no .orig files laying around. Thanks, William On Tue, May 06, 2008 at 03:35:05PM +0100, Georgina Joyce wrote: > Hi Gentoo users > > I've just partially installed gentoo 2008.0 and emerged speakup. > However, I don't understand where it has placed the files. It doesn't > appear to have automatically patched the kernel source. So where are > the patches? > > I had to create the /etc/portage directory myself and create the > package.keywords file myself. Has my installation gone wrong? > > Thanks. > > Gena > -- > Gena > > http://www.ready2golinux.com > > M0EBP > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup - -- William Hubbs gentoo accessibility team lead williamh@gentoo.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkgg+30ACgkQblQW9DDEZTjMcQCgt0VIoxfjqM1rZD42CxOaBzfK +h0AmgIxEi9GXxizCeAx9WFHtkEG1+30 =m/21 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* Re: Gentoo - where's speakup been put? ` William Hubbs @ ` Georgina Joyce ` William Hubbs 0 siblings, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread From: Georgina Joyce @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. > The patching is handled when you emerge gentoo-sources, so there are no > .orig files laying around. > I see, I'll try and re-emerge gentoo sources. So I've done it the wrong way around. Did I understand that there will be a newer speakup git available via emerge soon? Thinking about it, does this mean that for each new kernel version and new speakup git my machine will rebuild a new kernel? If so, do I just remove the kernel and speakup from the portage system? Because once I have a kernel tailored to the hardware I don't see the point of frequently changing the kernel. Thanks. Gena ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* Re: Gentoo - where's speakup been put? ` Georgina Joyce @ ` William Hubbs ` Georgina Joyce 0 siblings, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread From: William Hubbs @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi Gena, Actually, you have it reversed. You will need to re-emerge speakup after you upgrade your kernel, not the other way around. The patches are part of gentoo-sources, whether or not you install speakup. Yes, I am planning on doing another snapshot for gentoo, probably no later than this weekend. There have been several changes to the git repository the last few days, so I want to wait a day to be sure we don't get any bug reports. On Wed, May 07, 2008 at 07:54:22AM +0100, Georgina Joyce wrote: > > > The patching is handled when you emerge gentoo-sources, so there are no > > .orig files laying around. > > > I see, I'll try and re-emerge gentoo sources. So I've done it the wrong > way around. > > Did I understand that there will be a newer speakup git available via > emerge soon? > > Thinking about it, does this mean that for each new kernel version and > new speakup git my machine will rebuild a new kernel? If so, do I just > remove the kernel and speakup from the portage system? Because once I > have a kernel tailored to the hardware I don't see the point of > frequently changing the kernel. > > Thanks. > > Gena > > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup - -- William Hubbs gentoo accessibility team lead williamh@gentoo.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkghpKQACgkQblQW9DDEZTi0MACeLcPsbCWZU1W3H+IZzOu+FVpr CtMAn0BiQQzpWjov/Ne06/W2CZIynOZu =snSw -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* Re: Gentoo - where's speakup been put? ` William Hubbs @ ` Georgina Joyce ` William Hubbs 0 siblings, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread From: Georgina Joyce @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. > Actually, you have it reversed. You will need to re-emerge speakup > after you upgrade your kernel, not the other way around. The patches > are part of gentoo-sources, whether or not you install speakup. Sorry, I'm confused here. I emerged gentoo-sources which gave me the kernel source then I created my /etc/portage directory and the required package.keywords file. Then emerged speakup. So you are saying that the sources are ready for further configuration according to hardware and compilation and I can proceed with the install? I'll set up the chroot env again and run menuconfig and I'll immmediately be able to see if speakup is there. As I've used git and fresh kernel sources previously. I expected to see a directory called speakup ready for me to run the installer manually. Thanks. Gena ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* Re: Gentoo - where's speakup been put? ` Georgina Joyce @ ` William Hubbs ` Robert Spangler ` Garrett Klein 0 siblings, 2 replies; 11+ messages in thread From: William Hubbs @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi Gena, > Sorry, I'm confused here. I emerged gentoo-sources which gave me the > kernel source then I created my /etc/portage directory and the required > package.keywords file. Then emerged speakup. So you are saying that > the sources are ready for further configuration according to hardware > and compilation and I can proceed with the install? That is correct, see my comment below about speakup. > I'll set up the chroot env again and run menuconfig and I'll > immmediately be able to see if speakup is there. No, not in menuconfig. On gentoo, speakup is installed the same way alsa was before it became part of kernel.org. It is a set of modules, outside the kernel. I need to make one correction on the steps I gave you. Once you are in the croot, emerge, configure, compile and install your kernel. Make sure that /usr/src/linux points to the correct kernel tree. Once that is set up, then emerge speakup. Again, in order for all of this to work, you must use at least gentoo-sources-2.6.25-r1. Once you have that set up, you should specify in /etc/modules.autoload.d/kernel-2.6 which synthesizer you want to load, for example: speakup_ltlk start=1 But, I am about to do another snapshot for gentoo, and when that happens, you will no longer need the start parameter. Let me know if you still have questions. William > As I've used git and fresh kernel sources previously. I expected to see > a directory called speakup ready for me to run the installer manually. > Thanks. > > Gena > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup - -- William Hubbs gentoo accessibility team lead williamh@gentoo.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkgiXnYACgkQblQW9DDEZTg5SACgnz4rgtBYcWvFztlbws+2hSZx YNEAn10XBlZZgUDvyPVQCsdH/Y5Q16TE =G6+d -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* Re: Gentoo - where's speakup been put? ` William Hubbs @ ` Robert Spangler ` Garrett Klein 1 sibling, 0 replies; 11+ messages in thread From: Robert Spangler @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. I am assuming that, via this method, one would not have speech right at boot? ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Hubbs" <williamh@gentoo.org> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 9:59 PM Subject: Re: Gentoo - where's speakup been put? > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hi Gena, > >> Sorry, I'm confused here. I emerged gentoo-sources which gave me the >> kernel source then I created my /etc/portage directory and the required >> package.keywords file. Then emerged speakup. So you are saying that >> the sources are ready for further configuration according to hardware >> and compilation and I can proceed with the install? > > That is correct, see my comment below about speakup. > >> I'll set up the chroot env again and run menuconfig and I'll >> immmediately be able to see if speakup is there. > > No, not in menuconfig. On gentoo, speakup is installed the same way > alsa was before it became part of kernel.org. It is a set of modules, > outside the kernel. > > I need to make one correction on the steps I gave you. Once you are in > the croot, emerge, configure, compile and install your kernel. Make > sure that /usr/src/linux points to the correct kernel tree. Once that > is set up, then emerge speakup. > > Again, in order for all of this to work, you must use at least > gentoo-sources-2.6.25-r1. > > Once you have that set up, you should specify in > /etc/modules.autoload.d/kernel-2.6 which synthesizer you want to load, > for example: > > speakup_ltlk start=1 > > But, I am about to do another snapshot for gentoo, and when that > happens, you will no longer need the start parameter. > > Let me know if you still have questions. > > William > >> As I've used git and fresh kernel sources previously. I expected to see >> a directory called speakup ready for me to run the installer manually. > >> Thanks. >> >> Gena >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Speakup mailing list >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > - -- > William Hubbs > gentoo accessibility team lead > williamh@gentoo.org > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) > > iEYEARECAAYFAkgiXnYACgkQblQW9DDEZTg5SACgnz4rgtBYcWvFztlbws+2hSZx > YNEAn10XBlZZgUDvyPVQCsdH/Y5Q16TE > =G6+d > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* Re: Gentoo - where's speakup been put? ` William Hubbs ` Robert Spangler @ ` Garrett Klein ` William Hubbs 1 sibling, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread From: Garrett Klein @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 William, How will this work for those of us who want speakup in the kernel? Are we just going to have to stick with vanilla kernel.org kernels? Garrett - -- Visit Garrett and Whitney's blog at http://garrettk17.dyndns.org And for decent, civilized, and sometimes technical IRC chatting, check out www.the-bofh.com and irc.the-bofh.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJIInC6AAoJEDH5wg/gDs138EcP/22EkjhPAbSPtuJ318lv2/DD WUKLCu5pZWx/Xo4UCQAGJMmdNY19zwqwHAku7qKtxJQajo1EDPu1e2KvCYtdihnH 1RSmPCApzIXKwcXx1TjkGrfTd0RXBdjH039Fj44RVh1DpYG8dS9dUSsSdlvh/nBf YCNyo6x726tmRfGDO3AXsEPBT9SeK2Ac9nM1Mg1HTyn4iC8gvAW8uL5V4bAum2py N8BL/Q4EaRwLdQCMBZ6oDnCvbFTBnI9z/bsB3GFIbdBrqE9nEpcbRRH9dWe4YTM5 8b5T2c6eJXhHsGmxgqUPJR+xwSEyTgCPAMhgpscq4b8H6ObMa4bsR7LRUBN+6ZaV YWJebo6C2v50BB+7LCawKzgIN28yQ2RBtcffF1fKqHyaFtra02TTsS3vtW5BM4bJ YYxWmPVxWLgyI7ruQnMKffa8I3nEzIWh2BvTu0W+BPaO1AGHMsgY1u5wjH+YWIub d8Yhg99F6Ca/kK/zNiDIqZ/VA1CaxzZokfV1mZt4aRkxma0rrPyAoBZKYHqJ3I6k lcoZPAPSb30btu/cjNB1kTCr82VkVOQ5SH9WYz7D5lT8PWvT3xYI7f0Jkxa5yFzA cWrOQ23JRHC8MJ+7ipa/i8zJ/Mnak45yFEFFXdd7Vj4p3Wd8/54j/MWNECq+cLSM RFVUkZRozbBoe/pqnld3 =Z95O -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* Re: Gentoo - where's speakup been put? ` Garrett Klein @ ` William Hubbs ` Garrett Klein ` Garrett Klein 0 siblings, 2 replies; 11+ messages in thread From: William Hubbs @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi Garrett, > How will this work for those of us who want speakup in the kernel? Are > we just going to have to stick with vanilla kernel.org kernels? Until 2.6.26 comes out, that is what I suggest. Here is why. Putting speakup directly into the kernel requires two patches. A patch to the kernel sources, and a patch to the build system. If you try to run the install script from the speakup git repository, it will attempt to apply both patches to the kernel. But, since the patch to the sources is already applied to gentoo-sources, this would be an error condition. The reason this will be different with 2.6.26 is that our patche to the sources was accepted into the official kernel.org tree, so now we only will patch the build system if you want to have speakup in the kernel. Speakup itself will not be in 2.6.26, just the hooks that make it possible for speakup to run. There are still issues to work out with speakup before we can ask for it to be accepted into the official kernel tree. Does that make sense? - -- William Hubbs gentoo accessibility team lead williamh@gentoo.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkgjtWcACgkQblQW9DDEZThNKgCeIlLpNbRCLwIu0xHiP/1lfNH9 3vIAn1EQaxew5Gfh4n4/+lxfAsaN7sVX =Qkal -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* Re: Gentoo - where's speakup been put? ` William Hubbs @ ` Garrett Klein ` Garrett Klein 1 sibling, 0 replies; 11+ messages in thread From: Garrett Klein @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup William, This makes perfect sense. Thanks for your concise explanation. Garrett On Thu, 2008-05-08 at 21:22 -0500, William Hubbs wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hi Garrett, > > > How will this work for those of us who want speakup in the kernel? Are > > we just going to have to stick with vanilla kernel.org kernels? > > Until 2.6.26 comes out, that is what I suggest. Here is why. > > Putting speakup directly into the kernel requires two patches. A patch > to the kernel sources, and a patch to the build system. If you try to > run the install script from the speakup git repository, it will attempt > to apply both patches to the kernel. But, since the patch to the > sources is already applied to gentoo-sources, this would be an error > condition. > > The reason this will be different with 2.6.26 is that our patche to the > sources was accepted into the official kernel.org tree, so now we only > will patch the build system if you want to have speakup in the kernel. > > Speakup itself will not be in 2.6.26, just the hooks that make it > possible for speakup to run. There are still issues to work out with > speakup before we can ask for it to be accepted into the official kernel > tree. > > Does that make sense? > > - -- > William Hubbs > gentoo accessibility team lead > williamh@gentoo.org > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) > > iEYEARECAAYFAkgjtWcACgkQblQW9DDEZThNKgCeIlLpNbRCLwIu0xHiP/1lfNH9 > 3vIAn1EQaxew5Gfh4n4/+lxfAsaN7sVX > =Qkal > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* Re: Gentoo - where's speakup been put? ` William Hubbs ` Garrett Klein @ ` Garrett Klein 1 sibling, 0 replies; 11+ messages in thread From: Garrett Klein @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup William, Thanks for your concise explanation. I really should get involved more with Gentoo and/or Speakup ... is the accessibility team looking for anymore manpower? Garrett On Thu, 2008-05-08 at 21:22 -0500, William Hubbs wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hi Garrett, > > > How will this work for those of us who want speakup in the kernel? Are > > we just going to have to stick with vanilla kernel.org kernels? > > Until 2.6.26 comes out, that is what I suggest. Here is why. > > Putting speakup directly into the kernel requires two patches. A patch > to the kernel sources, and a patch to the build system. If you try to > run the install script from the speakup git repository, it will attempt > to apply both patches to the kernel. But, since the patch to the > sources is already applied to gentoo-sources, this would be an error > condition. > > The reason this will be different with 2.6.26 is that our patche to the > sources was accepted into the official kernel.org tree, so now we only > will patch the build system if you want to have speakup in the kernel. > > Speakup itself will not be in 2.6.26, just the hooks that make it > possible for speakup to run. There are still issues to work out with > speakup before we can ask for it to be accepted into the official kernel > tree. > > Does that make sense? > > - -- > William Hubbs > gentoo accessibility team lead > williamh@gentoo.org > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) > > iEYEARECAAYFAkgjtWcACgkQblQW9DDEZThNKgCeIlLpNbRCLwIu0xHiP/1lfNH9 > 3vIAn1EQaxew5Gfh4n4/+lxfAsaN7sVX > =Qkal > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
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