* What window manager? @ Tony Baechler ` Daniel Dalton ` Alex Snow 0 siblings, 2 replies; 10+ messages in thread From: Tony Baechler @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup Hi, I'm totally new to X and I have no idea what I'm doing. I am running grml 1.1rc1 and a 1.70 GHZ processor with 256 MB of RAM. I did "aptitude install gnome-orca" and it installed a bunch of things. I ran the Orca setup and it talked. What else do I need to do to start Gnome with speech? There is no program called gnome on my system. I tried "startx" but it just sits there and puts me on tty7 with no text. I tried grml-x to set up X and it wants to know what window manager to use. I tried putting in gnome but it couldn't find it. I finally randomly picked fluxbox but nothing. I tried again with openbox but still nothing. What do I need to do? What else do I need to install? What window manager should I use? If there's a web page somewhere I should be reading, please point me to it. I can run startx and it shows a bunch of startup messages with some warnings but that's it except switching me to tty7. I'm not sure what else I'm supposed to do. If I just run orca by itself after I run startx, I get an error that the display environment is not set. Any help is appreciated. Does it matter what window manager I pick? ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* Re: What window manager? What window manager? Tony Baechler @ ` Daniel Dalton ` Tony Baechler ` Alex Snow 1 sibling, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread From: Daniel Dalton @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Have you actually installed gnome? Does GRML have tasksel? If so tasksel install desktop. Then remove gdm... And then run startx. -- Daniel Dalton http://members.iinet.net.au/~ddalton/ d.dalton@iinet.net.au ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* Re: What window manager? ` Daniel Dalton @ ` Tony Baechler ` Daniel Dalton 0 siblings, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread From: Tony Baechler @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Daniel Dalton wrote: > Have you actually installed gnome? > I think so. It installed Orca just fine and it brought in a bunch of other dependencies. It's basically Debian unstable. It has a custom grml-x script for setting up X. How do I know if I installed gnome or not? > Does GRML have tasksel? > I don't know but it's based on Debian so I would say probably. That still doesn't tell me what window manager to use when grml-x asks. > Then remove gdm... > What's gdm and why do I remove it? I've heard of it before but never paid attention. Is that for the mouse? ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* Re: What window manager? ` Tony Baechler @ ` Daniel Dalton ` Tony Baechler 0 siblings, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread From: Daniel Dalton @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. On Tue, 4 Mar 2008, Tony Baechler wrote: > Daniel Dalton wrote: >> Have you actually installed gnome? >> > > I think so. It installed Orca just fine and it brought in a bunch of > other dependencies. It's basically Debian unstable. It has a custom > grml-x script for setting up X. How do I know if I installed gnome or not? > Well if I was you I would probably remove gnome and use tasksel. But look for some gnome drivers or something. Maybe in /etc? Do you have a gnome directory there? >> Does GRML have tasksel? >> > > I don't know but it's based on Debian so I would say probably. That > still doesn't tell me what window manager to use when grml-x asks. Well I don't know since I don't use grml or whatever, so I suggest you try tasksel and then that way startx should just "work" > >> Then remove gdm... >> > > What's gdm and why do I remove it? I've heard of it before but never > paid attention. Is that for the mouse? How about trying www.google.com? That will tell you. Its just a log in setup though. And it won't talk. So you kind of need to guess a bit there. And sometimes it doesn't work properly and its hard to tell what is happening. -- Daniel Dalton http://members.iinet.net.au/~ddalton/ d.dalton@iinet.net.au ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* Re: What window manager? ` Daniel Dalton @ ` Tony Baechler ` Rynhardt P Kruger ` (2 more replies) 0 siblings, 3 replies; 10+ messages in thread From: Tony Baechler @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Hi, OK, I definitely have Gnome installed. I looked at the pkg desc for gdm and still don't know why I'm supposed to remove it. As soon as I tell aptitude to remove it, I get a bunch of errors about broken packages. I ran tasksel several times to install the desktop task like you said and it just sat there at 0% even after waiting a long time. I have a fast connection so I'm sure it wasn't downloading packages. I'm now positive that I have all of Gnome installed. I ran startx and it still just drops me on tty7 with no speech and no Orca. I'm sure I have gdm removed even though it complained about gnome being broken. It still wants to know what window manager to use and I don't think gnome itself is a window manager. I've created new xorg config files from scratch a bunch of times and still no luck. If I need to install something else, what? I don't mind using Google but I'm not really sure what I'm looking for since I'm sure gnome is fully installed now. It looks like the window manager doesn't matter but whatever I pick doesn't work. If I look at the x11-common pkg, it looks like it installs a bunch of other window managers with no explanation of what to use. I don't mind completely reinstalling everything but I'm not sure what pkgs to remove other than gnome-desktop-environment. I still need help here and I'm obviously missing something. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* Re: What window manager? ` Tony Baechler @ ` Rynhardt P Kruger ` Gaijin ` Daniel Dalton 2 siblings, 0 replies; 10+ messages in thread From: Rynhardt P Kruger @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Hi, As I am using GRML and running gnome, I thought I would tell you how I have set it up for myself and some of my friends. Please note that some things I did may be totaly unnecisary but I did them just for incase. First I installed gnome, like this. apt-get install gnome-desktop-environment Then I installed orca. apt-get install gnome-orca I think gdm was installed when I installed gnome. It is neaded, because it runs at startup to make you login to gnome. I also whent to /etc/X11/xsession.d and created a file called 95gnome with the following line in it: /usr/bin/gnome-session (I don't think this step is necisary, but I did it anyway) When I restarted my computer, a short beep was sounded when I got to the graphical login. I type my username, press enter, type my password, press enter, and because of an error message about language en that isn't available, I press enter again. Now alt+f2 can be pressed to get to the run dialog and to get orca working by typing orca and pressing enter. Hope you could find an answer in the steps I took. Take care, Rynhardt p.s. If someone knows how to make that language message go away, I would appreciate it! * Tony Baechler <tony@baechler.net> [080305 21:02]: > Hi, > > OK, I definitely have Gnome installed. I looked at the pkg desc for gdm > and still don't know why I'm supposed to remove it. As soon as I tell > aptitude to remove it, I get a bunch of errors about broken packages. I > ran tasksel several times to install the desktop task like you said and > it just sat there at 0% even after waiting a long time. I have a fast > connection so I'm sure it wasn't downloading packages. I'm now positive > that I have all of Gnome installed. I ran startx and it still just > drops me on tty7 with no speech and no Orca. I'm sure I have gdm > removed even though it complained about gnome being broken. It still > wants to know what window manager to use and I don't think gnome itself > is a window manager. I've created new xorg config files from scratch a > bunch of times and still no luck. If I need to install something else, > what? I don't mind using Google but I'm not really sure what I'm > looking for since I'm sure gnome is fully installed now. It looks like > the window manager doesn't matter but whatever I pick doesn't work. If > I look at the x11-common pkg, it looks like it installs a bunch of other > window managers with no explanation of what to use. I don't mind > completely reinstalling everything but I'm not sure what pkgs to remove > other than gnome-desktop-environment. I still need help here and I'm > obviously missing something. > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup -- I use grml (http://grml.org/) ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* Re: What window manager? ` Tony Baechler ` Rynhardt P Kruger @ ` Gaijin ` Daniel Dalton 2 siblings, 0 replies; 10+ messages in thread From: Gaijin @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. On Wed, Mar 05, 2008 at 02:20:04AM -0800, Tony Baechler wrote: > OK, I definitely have Gnome installed. I looked at the pkg desc for gdm > and still don't know why I'm supposed to remove it. :End-Quote" Have you tried running the following: aptitude safe-upgrade ...This should be done repeatedly so packages which are being held back will be installed in proper order, with all their dependencies having been met, until the system as been properly brought up to date. aptitude, I've been told, is the only tool intelligent enough to fix a mess of the type you're describing. Michael ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* Re: What window manager? ` Tony Baechler ` Rynhardt P Kruger ` Gaijin @ ` Daniel Dalton 2 siblings, 0 replies; 10+ messages in thread From: Daniel Dalton @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. On Wed, 5 Mar 2008, Tony Baechler wrote: > Hi, > > OK, I definitely have Gnome installed. I looked at the pkg desc for gdm > and still don't know why I'm supposed to remove it. As soon as I tell Well you don't have too. Its just easier to log into a console than an x session from boot-up. startx won't ask you for anything like gdm. But ok whatever. > aptitude to remove it, I get a bunch of errors about broken packages. I > ran tasksel several times to install the desktop task like you said and > it just sat there at 0% even after waiting a long time. I have a fast > connection so I'm sure it wasn't downloading packages. I'm now positive > that I have all of Gnome installed. I ran startx and it still just > drops me on tty7 with no speech and no Orca. I'm sure I have gdm > removed even though it complained about gnome being broken. It still > wants to know what window manager to use and I don't think gnome itself Well since I don't use grml I don't know. Perhaps just apt-get remove gnome and start again? I don't know though. You can just try gdm if you like. And log in. Otherwise you can look and see what errors startx gives. Oh and for tasksel as root I guess you type: tasksel install desktop -- Daniel Dalton http://members.iinet.net.au/~ddalton/ d.dalton@iinet.net.au ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* Re: What window manager? What window manager? Tony Baechler ` Daniel Dalton @ ` Alex Snow ` Tony Baechler 1 sibling, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread From: Alex Snow @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. running gnome from a live cd is going to be a bit painful, unless you have a really fast cd-rom (at least 48x) and a reasonably fast processor. On Tue, Mar 04, 2008 at 02:05:48AM -0800, Tony Baechler wrote: > Hi, > > I'm totally new to X and I have no idea what I'm doing. I am running > grml 1.1rc1 and a 1.70 GHZ processor with 256 MB of RAM. I did > "aptitude install gnome-orca" and it installed a bunch of things. I ran > the Orca setup and it talked. What else do I need to do to start Gnome > with speech? There is no program called gnome on my system. I tried > "startx" but it just sits there and puts me on tty7 with no text. I > tried grml-x to set up X and it wants to know what window manager to > use. I tried putting in gnome but it couldn't find it. I finally > randomly picked fluxbox but nothing. I tried again with openbox but > still nothing. What do I need to do? What else do I need to install? > What window manager should I use? If there's a web page somewhere I > should be reading, please point me to it. I can run startx and it shows > a bunch of startup messages with some warnings but that's it except > switching me to tty7. I'm not sure what else I'm supposed to do. If I > just run orca by itself after I run startx, I get an error that the > display environment is not set. Any help is appreciated. Does it > matter what window manager I pick? > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup -- Convention organizer to Linus Torvalds: "You might like to come with us to some licensed[1] place, and have some pizza." Linus: "Oh, I did not know that you needed a license to eat pizza". [1] Licenced - refers in Australia to a restaurant which has government licence to sell liquor. -- Linus at a talk at the Melbourne University ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* Re: What window manager? ` Alex Snow @ ` Tony Baechler 0 siblings, 0 replies; 10+ messages in thread From: Tony Baechler @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. I'm not running from a live CD. If I wanted that, I would go with Ubuntu which boots up talking. Alex Snow wrote: > running gnome from a live cd is going to be a bit painful, unless you > have a really fast cd-rom (at least 48x) and a reasonably fast > processor. > On Tue, Mar 04, 2008 at 02:05:48AM -0800, Tony Baechler wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I'm totally new to X and I have no idea what I'm doing. I am running >> grml 1.1rc1 and a 1.70 GHZ processor with 256 MB of RAM. I did >> "aptitude install gnome-orca" and it installed a bunch of things. I ran >> the Orca setup and it talked. What else do I need to do to start Gnome >> with speech? There is no program called gnome on my system. I tried >> "startx" but it just sits there and puts me on tty7 with no text. I >> tried grml-x to set up X and it wants to know what window manager to >> use. I tried putting in gnome but it couldn't find it. I finally >> randomly picked fluxbox but nothing. I tried again with openbox but >> still nothing. What do I need to do? What else do I need to install? >> What window manager should I use? If there's a web page somewhere I >> should be reading, please point me to it. I can run startx and it shows >> a bunch of startup messages with some warnings but that's it except >> switching me to tty7. I'm not sure what else I'm supposed to do. If I >> just run orca by itself after I run startx, I get an error that the >> display environment is not set. Any help is appreciated. Does it >> matter what window manager I pick? >> ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
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