* A VmWare alternative
@ Zachary Kline
` Gregory Nowak
0 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread
From: Zachary Kline @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
Hiya,
Just thought I'd throw this out there. For those of you who are comfortable in command lines--most Speakup users, I'd say--I'v'e found an alternative to VMWare. This is the open source and free software Qemu. It is quite fast, and is able to emulate several types of CPU as well as different types of sound card, network card, etc. Running under Windows I can create .bat files, and run different systems from each. I'm currently trying to get LFS working--I know, it's a lot of waiting and compiling, but I've got time. If anybody's interested, the Qemu home page is:
http://fabrice.bellard.free.fr/qemu
Yours,
Zack.
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread* Re: A VmWare alternative A VmWare alternative Zachary Kline @ ` Gregory Nowak ` Zachary Kline ` (2 more replies) 0 siblings, 3 replies; 9+ messages in thread From: Gregory Nowak @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Mind describing how you're running qemu under windows? I just tried it last week, and my attempts were a total failure. I created an image called c.img with the qemu-img command, or whatever it is. I stuck a floppy into the a drive. Then, in the folder where I had c.img, from within cmd, the xp command prompt, I did: qemu -L c:\progra~1\qemu\pcbios -serial com2 -fda a: -boot a c.img I also did qemu -L c:\progra~1\qemu\pcbios -serial com2 -fda a: -boot a -hda c.img and neither of those worked. No floppy spin, no hd activity, nothing. I was just still in the cmd window, and the only things on the screen were the command-line I typed, which seemed to be repeated for the second time when I read the screen with wineyes, but the second time had pauses between the words in the reading (I.E. qemu ... -fda ... a: ...) and so on. When I tried just: qemu -L c:\progra~1\qemu\pcbios c.img It worked, but qemu told me that c.img was not bootable. That's fine, but how am I supposed to install an os in the first place? Any other options besides that, even just adding -fda a: to the command-line made it not work. Before you ask, yes, I did make an image of the floppy under gnu/linux, and tried using the file, instead of the a: drive, and yes, I did try leaving out the serial port, as well as the - -boot a option. No luck. The only thing that worked is just to specify the path to the bios files, and c.img at the end, which I can't obviously boot from. If I left out the bios path and the -L flag, and just did qemu c.img, qemu complained that it couldn't find the bios, no surprise there. Greg On Thu, Jun 21, 2007 at 09:11:01AM -0700, Zachary Kline wrote: > Hiya, > Just thought I'd throw this out there. For those of you who are comfortable in command lines--most Speakup users, I'd say--I'v'e found an alternative to VMWare. This is the open source and free software Qemu. It is quite fast, and is able to emulate several types of CPU as well as different types of sound card, network card, etc. Running under Windows I can create .bat files, and run different systems from each. I'm currently trying to get LFS working--I know, it's a lot of waiting and compiling, but I've got time. If anybody's interested, the Qemu home page is: > http://fabrice.bellard.free.fr/qemu > Yours, > Zack. > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup - -- web site: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org gpg public key: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org/pubkey.asc skype: gregn1 (authorization required, add me to your contacts list first) - -- Free domains: http://www.eu.org/ or mail dns-manager@EU.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFGesGD7s9z/XlyUyARAtq8AJ4j4aIkrRmFs9oOkiS/UQsC7XjzVwCfWaHP Ih/oCo6womHuEsKX65bL5MA= =pPIZ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: A VmWare alternative ` Gregory Nowak @ ` Zachary Kline ` Gregory Nowak ` Gaijin ` Alex Snow 2 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread From: Zachary Kline @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Hiya, I'll be glad to show you how I run Qemu under Windows. I warn you that Window-Eyes will be of no help whatsoever in reading the Qemu console window. In fact, I suggest either creating a custom set file for it and using the Hotkeys option in the general menu to turn them off, or just unloading WE entirely. That, of course, isn't very convenient. If you turn off hotkeys in qemu alone you'll get response when alt+tab is pressed to get you out of that window. Anyway, here's what I do: To start with, I haven't installed Qemu into c:\program files. I just did C:\qemu,, with the bios in the same place. So to get that option I do -L ., which like under Unix stands for current directory. A sample command line is: qemu -serial com3 -boot d -net tap,ifname="tap" -net nic,model=rtl8139 -soundhw ens1370 -hda debian.img -cdrom debian.iso -L . This is what I used to get Debian installed, with the Dectalk express connected to a USB-to-serial converter which acted as COM3 under Windows. It will work as ttyS0 under Linux, of course. The boot d option is just to specify booting from the ISO image. I personally haven't done much with floppy images or actual drives. Once Qemu runs, you'll possibly get a Windows properties dialogue asking about whichever COM port you used. Just hit enter to close it and you'll be in a Qemu console window. Type the command to get speakup up and running, in the case of a Debian install it would be: speakup speakup_synth=dectlk speakup_ser=0 >From that point, assuming you unloaded WE or created a set file properly, things will just run as normal. You can alt+tab out of the Qemu window at any time. Hope this helps some. Thanks, Zack. PS: If not, please feel free to ask me anything you'd like. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: A VmWare alternative ` Zachary Kline @ ` Gregory Nowak ` Zachary Kline ` Igor Gueths 0 siblings, 2 replies; 9+ messages in thread From: Gregory Nowak @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Thanks for that. I did forget to mention that I tried to have the cdrom as the second drive from an iso, but I didn't try booting from it. I actually wanted to see first how a windows/dos boot floppy would do, thus the floppy boot, but I might bite the bullet, and try booting a debian install iso directly. Also, my purpose in keeping wineyes running was to have access to the qemu monitor, though it sounds like you're saying that won't be accessible, which is too bad. I may try it again, though it probably won't be soon. Thanks also for your offer of answering additional questions, I may take you up on that if I need to when I try this again. Greg On Thu, Jun 21, 2007 at 01:25:26PM -0700, Zachary Kline wrote: > Hiya, > I'll be glad to show you how I run Qemu under Windows. I warn you that > Window-Eyes will be of no help whatsoever in reading the Qemu console > window. In fact, I suggest either creating a custom set file for it and > using the Hotkeys option in the general menu to turn them off, or just > unloading WE entirely. That, of course, isn't very convenient. If you turn > off hotkeys in qemu alone you'll get response when alt+tab is pressed to get > you out of that window. Anyway, here's what I do: > To start with, I haven't installed Qemu into c:\program files. I just did > C:\qemu,, with the bios in the same place. So to get that option I do -L ., > which like under Unix stands for current directory. > A sample command line is: > qemu -serial com3 -boot d -net tap,ifname="tap" -net > nic,model=rtl8139 -soundhw ens1370 -hda debian.img -cdrom debian.iso -L . > This is what I used to get Debian installed, with the Dectalk express > connected to a USB-to-serial converter which acted as COM3 under Windows. > It will work as ttyS0 under Linux, of course. > The boot d option is just to specify booting from the ISO image. I > personally haven't done much with floppy images or actual drives. > Once Qemu runs, you'll possibly get a Windows properties dialogue asking > about whichever COM port you used. Just hit enter to close it and you'll be > in a Qemu console window. Type the command to get speakup up and running, > in the case of a Debian install it would be: > speakup speakup_synth=dectlk speakup_ser=0 > From that point, assuming you unloaded WE or created a set file properly, > things will just run as normal. You can alt+tab out of the Qemu window at > any time. > Hope this helps some. > Thanks, > Zack. > PS: If not, please feel free to ask me anything you'd like. > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup - -- web site: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org gpg public key: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org/pubkey.asc skype: gregn1 (authorization required, add me to your contacts list first) - -- Free domains: http://www.eu.org/ or mail dns-manager@EU.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFGeuQp7s9z/XlyUyARAh3DAJ9nyqurzSP5FEyZpmvagW1JN11bZwCfbcsF hUXeI0oUm/5xoGkrcoH2bNo= =qGLd -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: A VmWare alternative ` Gregory Nowak @ ` Zachary Kline ` Igor Gueths 1 sibling, 0 replies; 9+ messages in thread From: Zachary Kline @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Hiya, The Qemu monitor is actually one of the simplest command line applications possible. You can actually redirect it to a Telnet port if you want, or if you're like me you can just use it for the media changer and watnot. Hope this all works out for you. Best of luck, Zack. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gregory Nowak" <greg@romuald.net.eu.org> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 1:48 PM Subject: Re: A VmWare alternative > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Thanks for that. I did forget to mention that I tried to have the > cdrom as the second drive from an iso, but I didn't try booting from > it. I actually wanted to see first how a windows/dos boot floppy would do, > thus the floppy boot, but I might bite the bullet, and try booting a > debian install iso directly. Also, my purpose in keeping wineyes > running was to have access to the qemu monitor, though it sounds like > you're saying that won't be accessible, which is too bad. > > I may try it again, though it probably won't be soon. Thanks also for > your offer of answering additional questions, I may take you up on > that if I need to when I try this again. > > Greg > > > On Thu, Jun 21, 2007 at 01:25:26PM -0700, Zachary Kline wrote: >> Hiya, >> I'll be glad to show you how I run Qemu under Windows. I warn you >> that >> Window-Eyes will be of no help whatsoever in reading the Qemu console >> window. In fact, I suggest either creating a custom set file for it and >> using the Hotkeys option in the general menu to turn them off, or just >> unloading WE entirely. That, of course, isn't very convenient. If you >> turn >> off hotkeys in qemu alone you'll get response when alt+tab is pressed to >> get >> you out of that window. Anyway, here's what I do: >> To start with, I haven't installed Qemu into c:\program files. I just >> did >> C:\qemu,, with the bios in the same place. So to get that option I do -L >> ., >> which like under Unix stands for current directory. >> A sample command line is: >> qemu -serial com3 -boot d -net tap,ifname="tap" -net >> nic,model=rtl8139 -soundhw ens1370 -hda debian.img -cdrom debian.iso -L . >> This is what I used to get Debian installed, with the Dectalk express >> connected to a USB-to-serial converter which acted as COM3 under Windows. >> It will work as ttyS0 under Linux, of course. >> The boot d option is just to specify booting from the ISO image. I >> personally haven't done much with floppy images or actual drives. >> Once Qemu runs, you'll possibly get a Windows properties dialogue asking >> about whichever COM port you used. Just hit enter to close it and you'll >> be >> in a Qemu console window. Type the command to get speakup up and >> running, >> in the case of a Debian install it would be: >> speakup speakup_synth=dectlk speakup_ser=0 >> From that point, assuming you unloaded WE or created a set file properly, >> things will just run as normal. You can alt+tab out of the Qemu window >> at >> any time. >> Hope this helps some. >> Thanks, >> Zack. >> PS: If not, please feel free to ask me anything you'd like. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Speakup mailing list >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > - -- > web site: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org > gpg public key: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org/pubkey.asc > skype: gregn1 > (authorization required, add me to your contacts list first) > > - -- > Free domains: http://www.eu.org/ or mail dns-manager@EU.org > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQFGeuQp7s9z/XlyUyARAh3DAJ9nyqurzSP5FEyZpmvagW1JN11bZwCfbcsF > hUXeI0oUm/5xoGkrcoH2bNo= > =qGLd > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: A VmWare alternative ` Gregory Nowak ` Zachary Kline @ ` Igor Gueths 1 sibling, 0 replies; 9+ messages in thread From: Igor Gueths @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 Hi Zachary. Have you tried booting anything virtually using Qemu under Linux? The last time I tried this by booting the test image I got no output, since Qemu was using SDL. I'm wondering if this is still the case if I were to say, try and boot an OpenBSD iso or something. On Thu, Jun 21, 2007 at 01:48:41PM -0700, Gregory Nowak wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Thanks for that. I did forget to mention that I tried to have the > cdrom as the second drive from an iso, but I didn't try booting from > it. I actually wanted to see first how a windows/dos boot floppy would do, > thus the floppy boot, but I might bite the bullet, and try booting a > debian install iso directly. Also, my purpose in keeping wineyes > running was to have access to the qemu monitor, though it sounds like > you're saying that won't be accessible, which is too bad. > > I may try it again, though it probably won't be soon. Thanks also for > your offer of answering additional questions, I may take you up on > that if I need to when I try this again. > > Greg > > > On Thu, Jun 21, 2007 at 01:25:26PM -0700, Zachary Kline wrote: > > Hiya, > > I'll be glad to show you how I run Qemu under Windows. I warn you that > > Window-Eyes will be of no help whatsoever in reading the Qemu console > > window. In fact, I suggest either creating a custom set file for it and > > using the Hotkeys option in the general menu to turn them off, or just > > unloading WE entirely. That, of course, isn't very convenient. If you turn > > off hotkeys in qemu alone you'll get response when alt+tab is pressed to get > > you out of that window. Anyway, here's what I do: > > To start with, I haven't installed Qemu into c:\program files. I just did > > C:\qemu,, with the bios in the same place. So to get that option I do -L ., > > which like under Unix stands for current directory. > > A sample command line is: > > qemu -serial com3 -boot d -net tap,ifname="tap" -net > > nic,model=rtl8139 -soundhw ens1370 -hda debian.img -cdrom debian.iso -L . > > This is what I used to get Debian installed, with the Dectalk express > > connected to a USB-to-serial converter which acted as COM3 under Windows. > > It will work as ttyS0 under Linux, of course. > > The boot d option is just to specify booting from the ISO image. I > > personally haven't done much with floppy images or actual drives. > > Once Qemu runs, you'll possibly get a Windows properties dialogue asking > > about whichever COM port you used. Just hit enter to close it and you'll be > > in a Qemu console window. Type the command to get speakup up and running, > > in the case of a Debian install it would be: > > speakup speakup_synth=dectlk speakup_ser=0 > > From that point, assuming you unloaded WE or created a set file properly, > > things will just run as normal. You can alt+tab out of the Qemu window at > > any time. > > Hope this helps some. > > Thanks, > > Zack. > > PS: If not, please feel free to ask me anything you'd like. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > - -- > web site: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org > gpg public key: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org/pubkey.asc > skype: gregn1 > (authorization required, add me to your contacts list first) > > - -- > Free domains: http://www.eu.org/ or mail dns-manager@EU.org > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQFGeuQp7s9z/XlyUyARAh3DAJ9nyqurzSP5FEyZpmvagW1JN11bZwCfbcsF > hUXeI0oUm/5xoGkrcoH2bNo= > =qGLd > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > - -- Igor -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) iQIVAwUBRnrrG6e2pgKIdGq4AQqxXBAApm51wg/KuTaAVVCaqwdBWeIhspFZqHaH 0YkbsqFGWheabwdDI4HhPmEqKzkALlMs1WRTN3fgncgriejlKM8KRGsR7/LVCAJ2 oP+624tvLr+KlrmaJ3VDu5/7HLQajGF1ZdxW85TvYnK6tdSiOge4qq48UrHhlCWe wEx4bBqcKIYa7plp6XYeaLa+rSChTILMZA66uqT8z7p07cJ6mKL1FyCAipdVGm// jRGTIC7pVsyfaxSMDmdH1O/G5lxKaKffFAnsakZUGF1xNHN0P0Xcy+0A0MxGbRE2 TC6EU0wEhqIuryve7Z+NicKGo/8kVmZWdNQ2QE+XF/i6kRAsAHN8Dsasx9ZUY8Xv zh5gFRRxLDzeisly57foymmySBFhGbTqkt0vlLsshJILyVuIaG7NZe9/Q2pHW7+r mxUZoxpz0k0WDfwIReJesx7qEDWDjUk7aXuKjLhTuvssFH5H62fXo4hzQxXqDVf6 ZgQvlUpZHT+jNeQcz3XFDl81wcxW3ccCOduu+C/hOjWgiiXuPfiF6VNcIpaO44EO mJxoCQ4kEuCrVSwPjq0DTKWw04PMtyIUJpCOGoIfa1Gu4dZM0/wEEn7Gapbhpmsm Rlccu7u6pSdZaHv5lTo97ROkZtC9QjaPmqJj3ESYDKFCnbM8k2MWb/f2bFci5ahB NcUIDQ6rfGY= =gPT0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: A VmWare alternative ` Gregory Nowak ` Zachary Kline @ ` Gaijin ` Gregory Nowak ` Alex Snow 2 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread From: Gaijin @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. > qemu -L c:\progra~1\qemu\pcbios -serial com2 -fda a: -boot a c.img I may have had a similar prob using WinXP and rawrite. I had to continue cursoring down to see an error preventing writing a boot image to floppy. Dunno how Win-Eyes handles the command prompt, but it seems that it doesn't keep up with screen scroll. Same goes for using mIRC for chat. HTH, Michael ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: A VmWare alternative ` Gaijin @ ` Gregory Nowak 0 siblings, 0 replies; 9+ messages in thread From: Gregory Nowak @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Yes, wineyes does seem to have scrolling issues in text-based programs. This is not only true in the command prompt, but is also true with teraterm pro as well. However, my problem wasn't that I wasn't seeing errors produced by qemu. I was certainly aware for example of the error I got when it couldn't find the bios files. Alex, thanks for the virtualbox suggestion. I hadn't heard of that one before, I'll give it a look. Greg On Thu, Jun 21, 2007 at 11:39:34PM +0100, Gaijin wrote: > I may have had a similar prob using WinXP and rawrite. I had to > continue cursoring down to see an error preventing writing a boot image > to floppy. Dunno how Win-Eyes handles the command prompt, but it seems > that it doesn't keep up with screen scroll. Same goes for using mIRC > for chat. HTH, > > Michael > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup - -- web site: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org gpg public key: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org/pubkey.asc skype: gregn1 (authorization required, add me to your contacts list first) - -- Free domains: http://www.eu.org/ or mail dns-manager@EU.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFGewop7s9z/XlyUyARAjJJAKC/tOgAbvpS8HMz0CvOXEwD2aRHfwCgs/+y ZU0XgxrfjQ+EIs6Z7eQkLXg= =tNXJ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: A VmWare alternative ` Gregory Nowak ` Zachary Kline ` Gaijin @ ` Alex Snow 2 siblings, 0 replies; 9+ messages in thread From: Alex Snow @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. You might also want to give virtualbox a try under windows. On Thu, Jun 21, 2007 at 11:20:51AM -0700, Gregory Nowak wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Mind describing how you're running qemu under windows? I just tried it > last week, and my attempts were a total failure. > > I created an image called c.img with the qemu-img command, or whatever > it is. I stuck a floppy into the a drive. Then, in the folder where I > had c.img, from within cmd, the xp command prompt, I did: > > qemu -L c:\progra~1\qemu\pcbios -serial com2 -fda a: -boot a c.img > > I also did > > qemu -L c:\progra~1\qemu\pcbios -serial com2 -fda a: -boot a -hda c.img > > and neither of those worked. No floppy spin, no hd activity, > nothing. I was just still in the cmd window, and the only things on > the screen were the command-line I typed, which seemed to be repeated > for the second time when I read the screen with wineyes, but the > second time had pauses between the words in the reading (I.E. qemu > ... -fda ... a: ...) and so on. > > When I tried just: > > qemu -L c:\progra~1\qemu\pcbios c.img > > It worked, but qemu told me that c.img was not bootable. That's fine, > but how am I supposed to install an os in the first place? Any other > options besides that, even just adding -fda a: to the command-line > made it not work. Before you ask, yes, I did make an image of the > floppy under gnu/linux, and tried using the file, instead of the a: > drive, and yes, I did try leaving out the serial port, as well as the > - -boot a option. No luck. The only thing that worked is just to specify > the path to the bios files, and c.img at the end, which I can't > obviously boot from. If I left out the bios path and the -L flag, and > just did qemu c.img, qemu complained that it couldn't find the bios, > no surprise there. > > Greg > > > On Thu, Jun 21, 2007 at 09:11:01AM -0700, Zachary Kline wrote: > > Hiya, > > Just thought I'd throw this out there. For those of you who are comfortable in command lines--most Speakup users, I'd say--I'v'e found an alternative to VMWare. This is the open source and free software Qemu. It is quite fast, and is able to emulate several types of CPU as well as different types of sound card, network card, etc. Running under Windows I can create .bat files, and run different systems from each. I'm currently trying to get LFS working--I know, it's a lot of waiting and compiling, but I've got time. If anybody's interested, the Qemu home page is: > > http://fabrice.bellard.free.fr/qemu > > Yours, > > Zack. > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > - -- > web site: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org > gpg public key: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org/pubkey.asc > skype: gregn1 > (authorization required, add me to your contacts list first) > > - -- > Free domains: http://www.eu.org/ or mail dns-manager@EU.org > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQFGesGD7s9z/XlyUyARAtq8AJ4j4aIkrRmFs9oOkiS/UQsC7XjzVwCfWaHP > Ih/oCo6womHuEsKX65bL5MA= > =pPIZ > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup -- Some people have told me they don't think a fat penguin really embodies the grace of Linux, which just tells me they have never seen a angry penguin charging at them in excess of 100mph. They'd be a lot more careful about what they say if they had. -- Linus Torvalds, announcing Linux v2.0 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
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