* A VmWare alternative
@ Zachary Kline
` Gregory Nowak
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From: Zachary Kline @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
Hiya,
Just thought I'd throw this out there. For those of you who are comfortable in command lines--most Speakup users, I'd say--I'v'e found an alternative to VMWare. This is the open source and free software Qemu. It is quite fast, and is able to emulate several types of CPU as well as different types of sound card, network card, etc. Running under Windows I can create .bat files, and run different systems from each. I'm currently trying to get LFS working--I know, it's a lot of waiting and compiling, but I've got time. If anybody's interested, the Qemu home page is:
http://fabrice.bellard.free.fr/qemu
Yours,
Zack.
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* Re: A VmWare alternative
A VmWare alternative Zachary Kline
@ ` Gregory Nowak
` Zachary Kline
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From: Gregory Nowak @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
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Mind describing how you're running qemu under windows? I just tried it
last week, and my attempts were a total failure.
I created an image called c.img with the qemu-img command, or whatever
it is. I stuck a floppy into the a drive. Then, in the folder where I
had c.img, from within cmd, the xp command prompt, I did:
qemu -L c:\progra~1\qemu\pcbios -serial com2 -fda a: -boot a c.img
I also did
qemu -L c:\progra~1\qemu\pcbios -serial com2 -fda a: -boot a -hda c.img
and neither of those worked. No floppy spin, no hd activity,
nothing. I was just still in the cmd window, and the only things on
the screen were the command-line I typed, which seemed to be repeated
for the second time when I read the screen with wineyes, but the
second time had pauses between the words in the reading (I.E. qemu
... -fda ... a: ...) and so on.
When I tried just:
qemu -L c:\progra~1\qemu\pcbios c.img
It worked, but qemu told me that c.img was not bootable. That's fine,
but how am I supposed to install an os in the first place? Any other
options besides that, even just adding -fda a: to the command-line
made it not work. Before you ask, yes, I did make an image of the
floppy under gnu/linux, and tried using the file, instead of the a:
drive, and yes, I did try leaving out the serial port, as well as the
- -boot a option. No luck. The only thing that worked is just to specify
the path to the bios files, and c.img at the end, which I can't
obviously boot from. If I left out the bios path and the -L flag, and
just did qemu c.img, qemu complained that it couldn't find the bios,
no surprise there.
Greg
On Thu, Jun 21, 2007 at 09:11:01AM -0700, Zachary Kline wrote:
> Hiya,
> Just thought I'd throw this out there. For those of you who are comfortable in command lines--most Speakup users, I'd say--I'v'e found an alternative to VMWare. This is the open source and free software Qemu. It is quite fast, and is able to emulate several types of CPU as well as different types of sound card, network card, etc. Running under Windows I can create .bat files, and run different systems from each. I'm currently trying to get LFS working--I know, it's a lot of waiting and compiling, but I've got time. If anybody's interested, the Qemu home page is:
> http://fabrice.bellard.free.fr/qemu
> Yours,
> Zack.
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> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
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* Re: A VmWare alternative
` Gregory Nowak
@ ` Zachary Kline
` Gregory Nowak
` Gaijin
` Alex Snow
2 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread
From: Zachary Kline @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
Hiya,
I'll be glad to show you how I run Qemu under Windows. I warn you that
Window-Eyes will be of no help whatsoever in reading the Qemu console
window. In fact, I suggest either creating a custom set file for it and
using the Hotkeys option in the general menu to turn them off, or just
unloading WE entirely. That, of course, isn't very convenient. If you turn
off hotkeys in qemu alone you'll get response when alt+tab is pressed to get
you out of that window. Anyway, here's what I do:
To start with, I haven't installed Qemu into c:\program files. I just did
C:\qemu,, with the bios in the same place. So to get that option I do -L .,
which like under Unix stands for current directory.
A sample command line is:
qemu -serial com3 -boot d -net tap,ifname="tap" -net
nic,model=rtl8139 -soundhw ens1370 -hda debian.img -cdrom debian.iso -L .
This is what I used to get Debian installed, with the Dectalk express
connected to a USB-to-serial converter which acted as COM3 under Windows.
It will work as ttyS0 under Linux, of course.
The boot d option is just to specify booting from the ISO image. I
personally haven't done much with floppy images or actual drives.
Once Qemu runs, you'll possibly get a Windows properties dialogue asking
about whichever COM port you used. Just hit enter to close it and you'll be
in a Qemu console window. Type the command to get speakup up and running,
in the case of a Debian install it would be:
speakup speakup_synth=dectlk speakup_ser=0
>From that point, assuming you unloaded WE or created a set file properly,
things will just run as normal. You can alt+tab out of the Qemu window at
any time.
Hope this helps some.
Thanks,
Zack.
PS: If not, please feel free to ask me anything you'd like.
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* Re: A VmWare alternative
` Zachary Kline
@ ` Gregory Nowak
` Zachary Kline
` Igor Gueths
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From: Gregory Nowak @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
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Thanks for that. I did forget to mention that I tried to have the
cdrom as the second drive from an iso, but I didn't try booting from
it. I actually wanted to see first how a windows/dos boot floppy would do,
thus the floppy boot, but I might bite the bullet, and try booting a
debian install iso directly. Also, my purpose in keeping wineyes
running was to have access to the qemu monitor, though it sounds like
you're saying that won't be accessible, which is too bad.
I may try it again, though it probably won't be soon. Thanks also for
your offer of answering additional questions, I may take you up on
that if I need to when I try this again.
Greg
On Thu, Jun 21, 2007 at 01:25:26PM -0700, Zachary Kline wrote:
> Hiya,
> I'll be glad to show you how I run Qemu under Windows. I warn you that
> Window-Eyes will be of no help whatsoever in reading the Qemu console
> window. In fact, I suggest either creating a custom set file for it and
> using the Hotkeys option in the general menu to turn them off, or just
> unloading WE entirely. That, of course, isn't very convenient. If you turn
> off hotkeys in qemu alone you'll get response when alt+tab is pressed to get
> you out of that window. Anyway, here's what I do:
> To start with, I haven't installed Qemu into c:\program files. I just did
> C:\qemu,, with the bios in the same place. So to get that option I do -L .,
> which like under Unix stands for current directory.
> A sample command line is:
> qemu -serial com3 -boot d -net tap,ifname="tap" -net
> nic,model=rtl8139 -soundhw ens1370 -hda debian.img -cdrom debian.iso -L .
> This is what I used to get Debian installed, with the Dectalk express
> connected to a USB-to-serial converter which acted as COM3 under Windows.
> It will work as ttyS0 under Linux, of course.
> The boot d option is just to specify booting from the ISO image. I
> personally haven't done much with floppy images or actual drives.
> Once Qemu runs, you'll possibly get a Windows properties dialogue asking
> about whichever COM port you used. Just hit enter to close it and you'll be
> in a Qemu console window. Type the command to get speakup up and running,
> in the case of a Debian install it would be:
> speakup speakup_synth=dectlk speakup_ser=0
> From that point, assuming you unloaded WE or created a set file properly,
> things will just run as normal. You can alt+tab out of the Qemu window at
> any time.
> Hope this helps some.
> Thanks,
> Zack.
> PS: If not, please feel free to ask me anything you'd like.
>
>
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* Re: A VmWare alternative
` Gregory Nowak
@ ` Zachary Kline
` Igor Gueths
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From: Zachary Kline @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
Hiya,
The Qemu monitor is actually one of the simplest command line
applications possible. You can actually redirect it to a Telnet port if you
want, or if you're like me you can just use it for the media changer and
watnot. Hope this all works out for you.
Best of luck,
Zack.
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From: "Gregory Nowak" <greg@romuald.net.eu.org>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 1:48 PM
Subject: Re: A VmWare alternative
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> Thanks for that. I did forget to mention that I tried to have the
> cdrom as the second drive from an iso, but I didn't try booting from
> it. I actually wanted to see first how a windows/dos boot floppy would do,
> thus the floppy boot, but I might bite the bullet, and try booting a
> debian install iso directly. Also, my purpose in keeping wineyes
> running was to have access to the qemu monitor, though it sounds like
> you're saying that won't be accessible, which is too bad.
>
> I may try it again, though it probably won't be soon. Thanks also for
> your offer of answering additional questions, I may take you up on
> that if I need to when I try this again.
>
> Greg
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 21, 2007 at 01:25:26PM -0700, Zachary Kline wrote:
>> Hiya,
>> I'll be glad to show you how I run Qemu under Windows. I warn you
>> that
>> Window-Eyes will be of no help whatsoever in reading the Qemu console
>> window. In fact, I suggest either creating a custom set file for it and
>> using the Hotkeys option in the general menu to turn them off, or just
>> unloading WE entirely. That, of course, isn't very convenient. If you
>> turn
>> off hotkeys in qemu alone you'll get response when alt+tab is pressed to
>> get
>> you out of that window. Anyway, here's what I do:
>> To start with, I haven't installed Qemu into c:\program files. I just
>> did
>> C:\qemu,, with the bios in the same place. So to get that option I do -L
>> .,
>> which like under Unix stands for current directory.
>> A sample command line is:
>> qemu -serial com3 -boot d -net tap,ifname="tap" -net
>> nic,model=rtl8139 -soundhw ens1370 -hda debian.img -cdrom debian.iso -L .
>> This is what I used to get Debian installed, with the Dectalk express
>> connected to a USB-to-serial converter which acted as COM3 under Windows.
>> It will work as ttyS0 under Linux, of course.
>> The boot d option is just to specify booting from the ISO image. I
>> personally haven't done much with floppy images or actual drives.
>> Once Qemu runs, you'll possibly get a Windows properties dialogue asking
>> about whichever COM port you used. Just hit enter to close it and you'll
>> be
>> in a Qemu console window. Type the command to get speakup up and
>> running,
>> in the case of a Debian install it would be:
>> speakup speakup_synth=dectlk speakup_ser=0
>> From that point, assuming you unloaded WE or created a set file properly,
>> things will just run as normal. You can alt+tab out of the Qemu window
>> at
>> any time.
>> Hope this helps some.
>> Thanks,
>> Zack.
>> PS: If not, please feel free to ask me anything you'd like.
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Speakup mailing list
>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
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* Re: A VmWare alternative
` Gregory Nowak
` Zachary Kline
@ ` Igor Gueths
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From: Igor Gueths @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
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Hi Zachary. Have you tried booting anything virtually using Qemu under Linux? The last time I tried this by booting the test image I got no output, since Qemu was using SDL. I'm wondering if
this is still the case if I were to say, try and boot an OpenBSD iso or something.
On Thu, Jun 21, 2007 at 01:48:41PM -0700, Gregory Nowak wrote:
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> Thanks for that. I did forget to mention that I tried to have the
> cdrom as the second drive from an iso, but I didn't try booting from
> it. I actually wanted to see first how a windows/dos boot floppy would do,
> thus the floppy boot, but I might bite the bullet, and try booting a
> debian install iso directly. Also, my purpose in keeping wineyes
> running was to have access to the qemu monitor, though it sounds like
> you're saying that won't be accessible, which is too bad.
>
> I may try it again, though it probably won't be soon. Thanks also for
> your offer of answering additional questions, I may take you up on
> that if I need to when I try this again.
>
> Greg
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 21, 2007 at 01:25:26PM -0700, Zachary Kline wrote:
> > Hiya,
> > I'll be glad to show you how I run Qemu under Windows. I warn you that
> > Window-Eyes will be of no help whatsoever in reading the Qemu console
> > window. In fact, I suggest either creating a custom set file for it and
> > using the Hotkeys option in the general menu to turn them off, or just
> > unloading WE entirely. That, of course, isn't very convenient. If you turn
> > off hotkeys in qemu alone you'll get response when alt+tab is pressed to get
> > you out of that window. Anyway, here's what I do:
> > To start with, I haven't installed Qemu into c:\program files. I just did
> > C:\qemu,, with the bios in the same place. So to get that option I do -L .,
> > which like under Unix stands for current directory.
> > A sample command line is:
> > qemu -serial com3 -boot d -net tap,ifname="tap" -net
> > nic,model=rtl8139 -soundhw ens1370 -hda debian.img -cdrom debian.iso -L .
> > This is what I used to get Debian installed, with the Dectalk express
> > connected to a USB-to-serial converter which acted as COM3 under Windows.
> > It will work as ttyS0 under Linux, of course.
> > The boot d option is just to specify booting from the ISO image. I
> > personally haven't done much with floppy images or actual drives.
> > Once Qemu runs, you'll possibly get a Windows properties dialogue asking
> > about whichever COM port you used. Just hit enter to close it and you'll be
> > in a Qemu console window. Type the command to get speakup up and running,
> > in the case of a Debian install it would be:
> > speakup speakup_synth=dectlk speakup_ser=0
> > From that point, assuming you unloaded WE or created a set file properly,
> > things will just run as normal. You can alt+tab out of the Qemu window at
> > any time.
> > Hope this helps some.
> > Thanks,
> > Zack.
> > PS: If not, please feel free to ask me anything you'd like.
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
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* Re: A VmWare alternative
` Gregory Nowak
` Zachary Kline
@ ` Gaijin
` Gregory Nowak
` Alex Snow
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From: Gaijin @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
> qemu -L c:\progra~1\qemu\pcbios -serial com2 -fda a: -boot a c.img
I may have had a similar prob using WinXP and rawrite. I had to
continue cursoring down to see an error preventing writing a boot image
to floppy. Dunno how Win-Eyes handles the command prompt, but it seems
that it doesn't keep up with screen scroll. Same goes for using mIRC
for chat. HTH,
Michael
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* Re: A VmWare alternative
` Gregory Nowak
` Zachary Kline
` Gaijin
@ ` Alex Snow
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From: Alex Snow @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
You might also want to give virtualbox a try under windows.
On Thu, Jun
21, 2007 at 11:20:51AM -0700, Gregory Nowak wrote:
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> Mind describing how you're running qemu under windows? I just tried it
> last week, and my attempts were a total failure.
>
> I created an image called c.img with the qemu-img command, or whatever
> it is. I stuck a floppy into the a drive. Then, in the folder where I
> had c.img, from within cmd, the xp command prompt, I did:
>
> qemu -L c:\progra~1\qemu\pcbios -serial com2 -fda a: -boot a c.img
>
> I also did
>
> qemu -L c:\progra~1\qemu\pcbios -serial com2 -fda a: -boot a -hda c.img
>
> and neither of those worked. No floppy spin, no hd activity,
> nothing. I was just still in the cmd window, and the only things on
> the screen were the command-line I typed, which seemed to be repeated
> for the second time when I read the screen with wineyes, but the
> second time had pauses between the words in the reading (I.E. qemu
> ... -fda ... a: ...) and so on.
>
> When I tried just:
>
> qemu -L c:\progra~1\qemu\pcbios c.img
>
> It worked, but qemu told me that c.img was not bootable. That's fine,
> but how am I supposed to install an os in the first place? Any other
> options besides that, even just adding -fda a: to the command-line
> made it not work. Before you ask, yes, I did make an image of the
> floppy under gnu/linux, and tried using the file, instead of the a:
> drive, and yes, I did try leaving out the serial port, as well as the
> - -boot a option. No luck. The only thing that worked is just to specify
> the path to the bios files, and c.img at the end, which I can't
> obviously boot from. If I left out the bios path and the -L flag, and
> just did qemu c.img, qemu complained that it couldn't find the bios,
> no surprise there.
>
> Greg
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 21, 2007 at 09:11:01AM -0700, Zachary Kline wrote:
> > Hiya,
> > Just thought I'd throw this out there. For those of you who are comfortable in command lines--most Speakup users, I'd say--I'v'e found an alternative to VMWare. This is the open source and free software Qemu. It is quite fast, and is able to emulate several types of CPU as well as different types of sound card, network card, etc. Running under Windows I can create .bat files, and run different systems from each. I'm currently trying to get LFS working--I know, it's a lot of waiting and compiling, but I've got time. If anybody's interested, the Qemu home page is:
> > http://fabrice.bellard.free.fr/qemu
> > Yours,
> > Zack.
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
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* Re: A VmWare alternative
` Gaijin
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To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
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Yes, wineyes does seem to have scrolling issues in text-based
programs. This is not only true in the command prompt, but is also
true with teraterm pro as well. However, my problem wasn't that I
wasn't seeing errors produced by qemu. I was certainly aware for
example of the error I got when it couldn't find the bios files.
Alex, thanks for the virtualbox suggestion. I hadn't heard of that one
before, I'll give it a look.
Greg
On Thu, Jun 21, 2007 at 11:39:34PM +0100, Gaijin wrote:
> I may have had a similar prob using WinXP and rawrite. I had to
> continue cursoring down to see an error preventing writing a boot image
> to floppy. Dunno how Win-Eyes handles the command prompt, but it seems
> that it doesn't keep up with screen scroll. Same goes for using mIRC
> for chat. HTH,
>
> Michael
>
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