about the latest ubuntu

about the latest ubuntu

[Doug Smith]

Ok, I have to ask these questions.  I have enjoyed all the
conversations about hardware resources.  I know nothing of hardware,
and this discussion has been quite interesting, to say the least.
However, I need to know the following, if someone can help me before I
get the latest ubuntu and get into something I cannot use.  

First of all, how accessible is accessible?  With this combination of
espeak and this reader called orca, is it possible to effectively use
all the programs in the system?  Do you have remaining accessibility
problems, or do they all work?

Now, I have never, in my entire life, used a graphical interface, and
I have used computers for 21 years, 7 months, and a few stray days
here and there.  Just exactly how do I use this gnome interface?  When
I get the ubuntu system going, how can I do the following?

get online, read and send mail, read books, view pdf documents, view
MS word documents, write programs, build my web site, run the usual
administrative tools, and more?  

How do I get this screen reader to respond to my requests to see
what's on the entire screen, or just in a particular part of it?  

All of you who have moved to something like gnome are right.  I have
seen this coming, and have just hoped it wouldn't happen.  That's like
standing on the train track, because you like the sound of a
locomotive engine, or steam whistle, and hoping that the thing won't
hit and run over you, even though it's just 30 yards away.  I saw it
when I was in university and now, it's here.  

We cannot any longer avoid the need to go graphical because of such
technologies as javascript, dynamic content that changes each time you
open the web page and several others such as swf and other integrated
A/V technologies.  This is the only reasonable solution to our
problems.  We are working with devices that have been designed by
sighted persons, and they have just been good enough to allow us the
first access to these things.  We have come a long way ourselves, and
there is no real other way to do it than going to their graphical
interface, no matter how inefficient, memory-hogging, slow, or
undesirable in a billion other ways it might be.  The only other
alternative is to build our own internet and patch it into the
existing one.  

It is good that the text-based tools are still available through
xterm, gnome-terminal or whatever else there might be, and that can
still keep the old ways alive.  However, I just want to experiment
right now, and see how this stuff works.  If anyone could explain it
to me, and tell me what keys to enter, I can get started.  

Well, I hate to philosophize about change on here, but I just wonder
if anyone could explain to me how to use gnome and orca and I will go
and get the latest ubuntu and give it a test-drive.  



Thank you. 




-- 
Doug Smith: C.S.F.C.
Computer Scientist For CHRIST

Re: about the latest ubuntu

[Zachary Kline]

Hello,
I, too, would appreciate this explaination of sorts.  If it might be posted 
on the list, I'd gladly read it.
Thanks too,
Zack.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Doug Smith" <bdsmith@buncombe.main.nc.us>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 9:58 PM
Subject: about the latest ubuntu


> Ok, I have to ask these questions.  I have enjoyed all the
> conversations about hardware resources.  I know nothing of hardware,
> and this discussion has been quite interesting, to say the least.
> However, I need to know the following, if someone can help me before I
> get the latest ubuntu and get into something I cannot use.
>
> First of all, how accessible is accessible?  With this combination of
> espeak and this reader called orca, is it possible to effectively use
> all the programs in the system?  Do you have remaining accessibility
> problems, or do they all work?
>
> Now, I have never, in my entire life, used a graphical interface, and
> I have used computers for 21 years, 7 months, and a few stray days
> here and there.  Just exactly how do I use this gnome interface?  When
> I get the ubuntu system going, how can I do the following?
>
> get online, read and send mail, read books, view pdf documents, view
> MS word documents, write programs, build my web site, run the usual
> administrative tools, and more?
>
> How do I get this screen reader to respond to my requests to see
> what's on the entire screen, or just in a particular part of it?
>
> All of you who have moved to something like gnome are right.  I have
> seen this coming, and have just hoped it wouldn't happen.  That's like
> standing on the train track, because you like the sound of a
> locomotive engine, or steam whistle, and hoping that the thing won't
> hit and run over you, even though it's just 30 yards away.  I saw it
> when I was in university and now, it's here.
>
> We cannot any longer avoid the need to go graphical because of such
> technologies as javascript, dynamic content that changes each time you
> open the web page and several others such as swf and other integrated
> A/V technologies.  This is the only reasonable solution to our
> problems.  We are working with devices that have been designed by
> sighted persons, and they have just been good enough to allow us the
> first access to these things.  We have come a long way ourselves, and
> there is no real other way to do it than going to their graphical
> interface, no matter how inefficient, memory-hogging, slow, or
> undesirable in a billion other ways it might be.  The only other
> alternative is to build our own internet and patch it into the
> existing one.
>
> It is good that the text-based tools are still available through
> xterm, gnome-terminal or whatever else there might be, and that can
> still keep the old ways alive.  However, I just want to experiment
> right now, and see how this stuff works.  If anyone could explain it
> to me, and tell me what keys to enter, I can get started.
>
> Well, I hate to philosophize about change on here, but I just wonder
> if anyone could explain to me how to use gnome and orca and I will go
> and get the latest ubuntu and give it a test-drive.
>
>
>
> Thank you.
>
>
>
>
> -- 
> Doug Smith: C.S.F.C.
> Computer Scientist For CHRIST
>
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about the latest ubuntu

[tony seth]

Well, I went and got the desktop cd for ubuntu, and am wondering, if I 
decide that I like the system as it is, can I install it to the hard 
drive, and what's the procedure for that, I didn't find any docs on the 
cd to help me out and I've only played with a very early version of 
ubuntu on a slow machine so didn't have good results.  I saved some 
instructions from here on the list for starting it with speech, but 
wonder if they're for the cd I got or is there another one I should 
download.  Thanks much!
Cheereo!

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Re: about the latest ubuntu

[Brent Harding]

I think you want the live CD one. I just downloaded one that seems not to be 
live, so another coaster it is, I guess. The download from 
releases.ubuntu.com isn't as fast but I'm more confident I picked the one I 
really want as f5, 3, and 2 enters did nothing but put me in windows with 
this disk I just made. I know my CD boots before the hard drive because I 
tried one back when Dapper drake was buggy.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "tony seth" <lp800@myfreedombox.com>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 10:53 PM
Subject: about the latest ubuntu


> Well, I went and got the desktop cd for ubuntu, and am wondering, if I
> decide that I like the system as it is, can I install it to the hard
> drive, and what's the procedure for that, I didn't find any docs on the
> cd to help me out and I've only played with a very early version of
> ubuntu on a slow machine so didn't have good results.  I saved some
> instructions from here on the list for starting it with speech, but
> wonder if they're for the cd I got or is there another one I should
> download.  Thanks much!
> Cheereo!
>
> -- 
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> www.freedombox.info
>
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> 

RE: about the latest ubuntu

[Anthony Creapeau]

There's a link on the Ubuntu site that tells you how to install with speech.
It tells you step-by-step. You may also want to download Infra Recorder from
the Ubuntu site. I downloaded the Isos and had problems burning the cds
successfully. I would have the issue with the cd not booting. Burning the
using Infra Recorder worked for me.

-----Original Message-----
From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca]
On Behalf Of Brent Harding
Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 10:38 PM
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
Subject: Re: about the latest ubuntu

I think you want the live CD one. I just downloaded one that seems not to be
live, so another coaster it is, I guess. The download from
releases.ubuntu.com isn't as fast but I'm more confident I picked the one I
really want as f5, 3, and 2 enters did nothing but put me in windows with
this disk I just made. I know my CD boots before the hard drive because I
tried one back when Dapper drake was buggy.

----- Original Message -----
From: "tony seth" <lp800@myfreedombox.com>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 10:53 PM
Subject: about the latest ubuntu


> Well, I went and got the desktop cd for ubuntu, and am wondering, if I
> decide that I like the system as it is, can I install it to the hard
> drive, and what's the procedure for that, I didn't find any docs on the
> cd to help me out and I've only played with a very early version of
> ubuntu on a slow machine so didn't have good results.  I saved some
> instructions from here on the list for starting it with speech, but
> wonder if they're for the cd I got or is there another one I should
> download.  Thanks much!
> Cheereo!
>
> -- 
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> www.freedombox.info
>
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> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 


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Re: about the latest ubuntu

[Brent Harding]

Oh, I found the site that has the install instructions with speech for 
Ubuntu. The problem is that on my old machine, after waiting for what seems 
like ever, I get no sound from the Sound Blaster Live Value card to do 
things with Orca. Is there a way to do a Speakup-based text install with 
Ubuntu since it seems like that is just one of those cards Ubuntu doesn't 
ship a driver for on the live CD? If so, I could use my double talk PC to 
install and compile whatever needs compiling to make it work once I have 
speech available to do it.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Anthony Creapeau" <creapeaa@msoe.edu>
To: "'Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.'" 
<speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 3:01 AM
Subject: RE: about the latest ubuntu


> There's a link on the Ubuntu site that tells you how to install with 
> speech.
> It tells you step-by-step. You may also want to download Infra Recorder 
> from
> the Ubuntu site. I downloaded the Isos and had problems burning the cds
> successfully. I would have the issue with the cd not booting. Burning the
> using Infra Recorder worked for me.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca 
> [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca]
> On Behalf Of Brent Harding
> Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 10:38 PM
> To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
> Subject: Re: about the latest ubuntu
>
> I think you want the live CD one. I just downloaded one that seems not to 
> be
> live, so another coaster it is, I guess. The download from
> releases.ubuntu.com isn't as fast but I'm more confident I picked the one 
> I
> really want as f5, 3, and 2 enters did nothing but put me in windows with
> this disk I just made. I know my CD boots before the hard drive because I
> tried one back when Dapper drake was buggy.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "tony seth" <lp800@myfreedombox.com>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 10:53 PM
> Subject: about the latest ubuntu
>
>
>> Well, I went and got the desktop cd for ubuntu, and am wondering, if I
>> decide that I like the system as it is, can I install it to the hard
>> drive, and what's the procedure for that, I didn't find any docs on the
>> cd to help me out and I've only played with a very early version of
>> ubuntu on a slow machine so didn't have good results.  I saved some
>> instructions from here on the list for starting it with speech, but
>> wonder if they're for the cd I got or is there another one I should
>> download.  Thanks much!
>> Cheereo!
>>
>> -- 
>> Email services by FreedomBox.  Surf the Net at the sound of your voice.
>> www.freedombox.info
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Speakup mailing list
>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>>
>
>
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> 

Re: about the latest ubuntu

[Lorenzo Taylor]

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Sound Blaster Live Value is in fact supported on the live CD. I happen
to have one myself. Your problem may be that you have onboard sound that
is being automatically chosen by default. Try plugging into your onboard
audio for the install. You can always change it later by blacklisting
its driver, which I have done, so I can tell you how to do. But for now,
your best bet is to use your onboard audio while using the live CD.

HTH,
Lorenzo
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Re: about the latest ubuntu

[Brent Harding]

What I haven't thought of is the modem. I have no onboard sound connectors, 
but I got a voice capable modem that has nothing, not even a phone line, 
hooked up to it. When I got my new machine and gave up 98, it could be 
working fine and I'd come home after school to have to power-cycle it 
because it just always suddenly quit responding to anything whenever it felt 
like it. I hope it isn't just freezing while trying to boot the CD as I know 
it's not the disk's problem because it works on this machine with the Turtle 
Beach card, as a live CD. I wish I knew what the error is or if the volume 
isn't just all the way muted by default? I could probably find a text-based 
talking disk to reformat the drive free of the old stuff that was still 
there, but I doubt the CD cares what is on any hard drive.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Lorenzo Taylor" <lorenzo@taylor.homelinux.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 9:54 PM
Subject: Re: about the latest ubuntu


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>
> Sound Blaster Live Value is in fact supported on the live CD. I happen
> to have one myself. Your problem may be that you have onboard sound that
> is being automatically chosen by default. Try plugging into your onboard
> audio for the install. You can always change it later by blacklisting
> its driver, which I have done, so I can tell you how to do. But for now,
> your best bet is to use your onboard audio while using the live CD.
>
> HTH,
> Lorenzo
> - -- 
> I've always found anomalies to be very relaxing. It's a curse.
> - --Jadzia Dax: Star Trek Deep Space Nine (The Assignment)
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Re: about the latest ubuntu

[Zachary Kline]

Howdy,
Fortunately or unfortunately, this is the time to call for sighted 
assistance, I believe.  It's a shame thhat not all machines work as they 
should--most are supposed to, and in the main most do.
Apart from that, I'm not sure what other suggestions I might have for you. 
It's a little hard to figure out what's happening.
Sorry to be unhelpful,
Zack.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Brent Harding" <bharding@doorpi.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 9:36 PM
Subject: Re: about the latest ubuntu


> What I haven't thought of is the modem. I have no onboard sound 
> connectors,
> but I got a voice capable modem that has nothing, not even a phone line,
> hooked up to it. When I got my new machine and gave up 98, it could be
> working fine and I'd come home after school to have to power-cycle it
> because it just always suddenly quit responding to anything whenever it 
> felt
> like it. I hope it isn't just freezing while trying to boot the CD as I 
> know
> it's not the disk's problem because it works on this machine with the 
> Turtle
> Beach card, as a live CD. I wish I knew what the error is or if the volume
> isn't just all the way muted by default? I could probably find a 
> text-based
> talking disk to reformat the drive free of the old stuff that was still
> there, but I doubt the CD cares what is on any hard drive.
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Lorenzo Taylor" <lorenzo@taylor.homelinux.net>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." 
> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 9:54 PM
> Subject: Re: about the latest ubuntu
>
>
>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>> Hash: SHA1
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>> Sound Blaster Live Value is in fact supported on the live CD. I happen
>> to have one myself. Your problem may be that you have onboard sound that
>> is being automatically chosen by default. Try plugging into your onboard
>> audio for the install. You can always change it later by blacklisting
>> its driver, which I have done, so I can tell you how to do. But for now,
>> your best bet is to use your onboard audio while using the live CD.
>>
>> HTH,
>> Lorenzo
>> - -- 
>> I've always found anomalies to be very relaxing. It's a curse.
>> - --Jadzia Dax: Star Trek Deep Space Nine (The Assignment)
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Re: about the latest ubuntu

[Brent Harding]

Oh, I was hoping I could bypass the need for sighted help. That is because 
if it doesn't just jump out with an error, things will get hard to figure 
out. I don't know how to disable the wave device on the modem, and the USB 
is all 1.1 or 1.0, so I doubt my USB headset will do much as it's a 2.0 
device. If there is a chip for sound on the motherboard with no connectors 
hooked to it, I hope the Bios disabled it beyond Linux's reach as 98 never 
detected it, even after a reformat. It only found the wave device on the 
modem and the SB Live. If I bought a speaker phone, I wonder if the modem 
would power it and put speech through it? I have no phone line hooked to the 
computer because I have no dialup accounts to use it with anyways.



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Zachary Kline" <Z_kline@hotmail.com>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 11:51 PM
Subject: Re: about the latest ubuntu


> Howdy,
> Fortunately or unfortunately, this is the time to call for sighted
> assistance, I believe.  It's a shame thhat not all machines work as they
> should--most are supposed to, and in the main most do.
> Apart from that, I'm not sure what other suggestions I might have for you.
> It's a little hard to figure out what's happening.
> Sorry to be unhelpful,
> Zack.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Brent Harding" <bharding@doorpi.net>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." 
> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 9:36 PM
> Subject: Re: about the latest ubuntu
>
>
>> What I haven't thought of is the modem. I have no onboard sound
>> connectors,
>> but I got a voice capable modem that has nothing, not even a phone line,
>> hooked up to it. When I got my new machine and gave up 98, it could be
>> working fine and I'd come home after school to have to power-cycle it
>> because it just always suddenly quit responding to anything whenever it
>> felt
>> like it. I hope it isn't just freezing while trying to boot the CD as I
>> know
>> it's not the disk's problem because it works on this machine with the
>> Turtle
>> Beach card, as a live CD. I wish I knew what the error is or if the 
>> volume
>> isn't just all the way muted by default? I could probably find a
>> text-based
>> talking disk to reformat the drive free of the old stuff that was still
>> there, but I doubt the CD cares what is on any hard drive.
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Lorenzo Taylor" <lorenzo@taylor.homelinux.net>
>> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."
>> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
>> Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 9:54 PM
>> Subject: Re: about the latest ubuntu
>>
>>
>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>>> Hash: SHA1
>>>
>>> Sound Blaster Live Value is in fact supported on the live CD. I happen
>>> to have one myself. Your problem may be that you have onboard sound that
>>> is being automatically chosen by default. Try plugging into your onboard
>>> audio for the install. You can always change it later by blacklisting
>>> its driver, which I have done, so I can tell you how to do. But for now,
>>> your best bet is to use your onboard audio while using the live CD.
>>>
>>> HTH,
>>> Lorenzo
>>> - -- 
>>> I've always found anomalies to be very relaxing. It's a curse.
>>> - --Jadzia Dax: Star Trek Deep Space Nine (The Assignment)
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>>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
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>>
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Re: about the latest ubuntu

[Gregory Nowak]

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Ok, you're starting to go off on a tangent here, trying to find
problems where they don't exist, see below.

On Tue, Apr 03, 2007 at 11:07:15AM -0500, Brent Harding wrote:
> I don't know how to disable the wave device on the modem, and the USB 
> is all 1.1 or 1.0, so I doubt my USB headset will do much as it's a 2.0 
> device. 

First, the wave device for voice modem is a purely windows device
based in software. Linux could care less if your modem supports voice
or not, and even if it does, it can't be interchanged with a sound
card and vise versa as far as I know. About your headset, usb2.0
hardware is backward compatible with the 1.1, and maybe even the 1.0
standard, so there should be no reason for your headset not to
work. As to whether or not linux will support your headset is a
different story.

> If there is a chip for sound on the motherboard with no connectors 
> hooked to it, I hope the Bios disabled it beyond Linux's reach as 98 never 
> detected it, even after a reformat. 

There is no such thing as an audio chip without external
connecters. If there is, then I've never heard of it.

> If I bought a speaker phone, I wonder if the modem 
> would power it and put speech through it? 

No, not even if you did have a phone line connected to the modem.

Greg


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Re: about the latest ubuntu

[Kenny Hitt]

Hi.

You didn't tell us all the specs on the hardware, but it sounds like you don't have the resources to run the Ubuntu livecd.

Remember, Gnome will need a lot of ram and processor speed to be useful.

          Kenny

Re: about the latest ubuntu

[Brent Harding]

It's a Pentium 3, 1 gig machine with 256 mb of ram, 2 hard drives, one 30 
gigs, and the other around 6.4 gigs.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kenny Hitt" <kenny@hittsjunk.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 12:50 PM
Subject: Re: about the latest ubuntu


> Hi.
>
> You didn't tell us all the specs on the hardware, but it sounds like you 
> don't have the resources to run the Ubuntu livecd.
>
> Remember, Gnome will need a lot of ram and processor speed to be useful.
>
>          Kenny
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Re: about the latest ubuntu

[Janina Sajka]

This will be OK for Speakup and the console, but I suspect it will prove
quite sluggish for Gnome. I suspect your RAM will be pretty much
consumed before you've even launched applications judging from the
memory usage I'm seeing on my laptop.

PS: My X31 is just over 1Gb cpu but a P4 with 1Gb RAM. It's adequate,
but I would not call it snappy.

Brent Harding writes:
> It's a Pentium 3, 1 gig machine with 256 mb of ram, 2 hard drives, one 30 
> gigs, and the other around 6.4 gigs.
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
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> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 12:50 PM
> Subject: Re: about the latest ubuntu
> 
> 
> > Hi.
> >
> > You didn't tell us all the specs on the hardware, but it sounds like you 
> > don't have the resources to run the Ubuntu livecd.
> >
> > Remember, Gnome will need a lot of ram and processor speed to be useful.
> >
> >          Kenny
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Re: about the latest ubuntu

[Alex Snow]

I'm running gnome on a 1ghz pIII with 256mb and its not all that bad.
On 
Tue, Apr 03, 2007 at 03:48:31PM -0400, Janina Sajka wrote:
> This will be OK for Speakup and the console, but I suspect it will prove
> quite sluggish for Gnome. I suspect your RAM will be pretty much
> consumed before you've even launched applications judging from the
> memory usage I'm seeing on my laptop.
> 
> PS: My X31 is just over 1Gb cpu but a P4 with 1Gb RAM. It's adequate,
> but I would not call it snappy.
> 
> Brent Harding writes:
> > It's a Pentium 3, 1 gig machine with 256 mb of ram, 2 hard drives, one 30 
> > gigs, and the other around 6.4 gigs.
> > 
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Kenny Hitt" <kenny@hittsjunk.net>
> > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 12:50 PM
> > Subject: Re: about the latest ubuntu
> > 
> > 
> > > Hi.
> > >
> > > You didn't tell us all the specs on the hardware, but it sounds like you 
> > > don't have the resources to run the Ubuntu livecd.
> > >
> > > Remember, Gnome will need a lot of ram and processor speed to be useful.
> > >
> > >          Kenny
> > >
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Re: about the latest ubuntu

[Gregory Nowak]

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Yeah, but keep in mind he's running off a livecd, so not only does he
need ram to run gnome, but he also needs ram for the file system.

Greg


On Tue, Apr 03, 2007 at 04:55:09PM -0400, Alex Snow wrote:
> I'm running gnome on a 1ghz pIII with 256mb and its not all that bad.


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Re: about the latest ubuntu

[Alex Snow]

Not to mention the added slowness of reading everything off the cd as 
you need it...
On Tue, Apr 03, 2007 at 02:15:41PM -0700, Gregory Nowak 
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> Yeah, but keep in mind he's running off a livecd, so not only does he
> need ram to run gnome, but he also needs ram for the file system.
> 
> Greg
> 
> 
> On Tue, Apr 03, 2007 at 04:55:09PM -0400, Alex Snow wrote:
> > I'm running gnome on a 1ghz pIII with 256mb and its not all that bad.
> 
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Re: about the latest ubuntu

[Erik Heil]

Hi.  I'm going to summarize it like this.  Should you want to install the
latest Ubuntu or at least use it, it would be best to install it than to
run it off of the LiveCD.  Failure to do this in you're case probably
would yeild unacceptable performance and maybe even stability issues.
Also, it wouldn't be a bad idea to upgrade the amount of available RAM in
the machine.

On Tue, 3 Apr 2007, Alex Snow wrote:

> Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 17:57:30 -0400
> From: Alex Snow <alex_snow@gmx.net>
> Reply-To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
>     <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Subject: Re: about the latest ubuntu
>
> Not to mention the added slowness of reading everything off the cd as
> you need it...
> On Tue, Apr 03, 2007 at 02:15:41PM -0700, Gregory Nowak
> wrote:
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> > Yeah, but keep in mind he's running off a livecd, so not only does he
> > need ram to run gnome, but he also needs ram for the file system.
> >
> > Greg
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Apr 03, 2007 at 04:55:09PM -0400, Alex Snow wrote:
> > > I'm running gnome on a 1ghz pIII with 256mb and its not all that bad.
> >
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Re: about the latest ubuntu

[John Heim]

I had a 1 Ghz machine with 256 Mb RAM.  And it froze when I ran the ubuntu 
installer, ubiquity. I bumpted it up to 512 and it worked. So I'll bet you 
have to have something more than 256 but maybe you can get by with less than 
512. What is 256 + 128? 384, right? Didn't somebody else say they were 
running ubuntu from the CD with 384?


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Subject: Re: about the latest ubuntu


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> Yeah, but keep in mind he's running off a livecd, so not only does he
> need ram to run gnome, but he also needs ram for the file system.
>
> Greg
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 03, 2007 at 04:55:09PM -0400, Alex Snow wrote:
>> I'm running gnome on a 1ghz pIII with 256mb and its not all that bad.
>
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RE: about the latest ubuntu

[Anthony Creapeau]

If your going to upgrade memory sticks you need to make sure they're all the
same value, (IE. 256 = 2 128 modules or 1 256 module), if you mix different
size modules you'll end up with the higher sized memory running at the
lowest size in your machine. So, if your running a 256 module and add a 128
module you'll still only be running 256 total instead of 384mb. HTH

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Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 8:43 AM
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Subject: Re: about the latest ubuntu

I had a 1 Ghz machine with 256 Mb RAM.  And it froze when I ran the ubuntu
installer, ubiquity. I bumpted it up to 512 and it worked. So I'll bet you
have to have something more than 256 but maybe you can get by with less than
512. What is 256 + 128? 384, right? Didn't somebody else say they were
running ubuntu from the CD with 384?


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Subject: Re: about the latest ubuntu


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>
> Greg
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 03, 2007 at 04:55:09PM -0400, Alex Snow wrote:
>> I'm running gnome on a 1ghz pIII with 256mb and its not all that bad.
>
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RE: about the latest ubuntu

[talmage]

That's not necessarily true.
It's system dependent.
Factors include Bios and motherboard.
To find out what, and how to add memory, the best source is your 
computer, or motherboard's, manual.

At 10:25 AM 4/4/2007, you wrote:
>If your going to upgrade memory sticks you need to make sure they're all the
>same value, (IE. 256 = 2 128 modules or 1 256 module), if you mix different
>size modules you'll end up with the higher sized memory running at the
>lowest size in your machine. So, if your running a 256 module and add a 128
>module you'll still only be running 256 total instead of 384mb. HTH

Re: about the latest ubuntu

[Gregory Nowak]

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On Wed, Apr 04, 2007 at 11:16:05AM -0400, talmage@somtel.com wrote:
> That's not necessarily true.
> It's system dependent.
> Factors include Bios and motherboard.
> To find out what, and how to add memory, the best source is your 
> computer, or motherboard's, manual.
> 

Well, I've been building/fixing systems for 7 years now, and I never
quite got the hang of the ram installation description in mb
manuals. For example, the manual for one of my boards reads:

"This motherboard provides three 168 -pin DIMM sites for memory expans
ion. The DIMM sockets support IMx64 (SMID, 2Mx64 (16MID, 4Mx64 (32MIT,
SMx64 (64MIT, 16Mx64 (128MIT, 32Mx64 (256MID and 64Mx64 (512MB) or
double-sided DIMM modules. Minimum memory size is SMB and maximum
memory size is I.5GB SDRAM. There are three Memory module sockets on
the system board. (Total six banks)
In order to create a memory array, certain rules must be followed. The
following set of rules allows for optimum configurations.* The memory
array is 64 or 72 bits wide. (Depending on with or without parity)
* Those modules can be populated in any order
* Supports single and double density DIMMS
Table 2-1. Valid Memory Configurations
Bank
Memory Module
Total Memary_
Bank 0, 1 (DIMMI)
8, 16,32, 64,128, 256,512MB
SMB - 512MB
Bank 2, 3 (DIMM2)
8, 16, 32, 64,128, 256, 512MB
SMB - 512MB
Bank 4, 5 (DIMM3)
8, 16, 32, 64,128, 256, 512MB
SMB - 512MB
Total System Memory
SMB - L5GB"

This is OCRED, so I know it doesn't read quite right. However, this
for example seems clear enough:

"2Mx64 (16MID, 4Mx64 (32MIT,"

2X64 = 128, and 4X64 = 256, and not as they say 16 and 32. So, how are
they getting those numbers, or am I not reading this correctly due to
the OCR?Fortunately for me, all the modules in this system are non-ecc,
and the manual does say:

"(Depending on with or without parity)
* Those modules can be populated in any order"

Also, there are 3 sockets on this board, and 6 banks. I've always
interpreted that to mean that each bank is for each side of the module,
(I.E. bank 0 is for the first side of the first module, bank 1 is for
the second side of the first module). Is that correct?

BTW, I've currently got 512M of RAM in this system, consisting of 2 128M modules,
and a 256 module, all pc100. I'm looking to replace at least one of the 128 modules
with at least one 256 module, but new RAM of this type is expensive,
and more often then not, out of stock. Would anyone happen to have
1 or more 256 or 512 modules of this type laying around that you wouldn't mind
sticking in an envelope, tossing in the mail, and parting with? If so,
please let me know privately. Does anybody have an idea how much a 256
or 512 module of this type would reasonably go for from a used pc
parts store?

Greg




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Re: about the latest ubuntu

[talmage]

That's interesting, a much more thorough manual than one usually comes across.
I don't like scanning my manuals for specific info like that, because 
when I start talking about laying out cash I get serious.  I like to 
try and download the manuals from the internet as soon as I get new 
hardware.  Even if I have no intent of reading it any time soon, its 
nice to have on hand in case you need it later.  As fast as 
technology changes, it may not be available if you wait too long.
I've never had a motherboard like that one which allows for use of 
either Simms or Dimms, and one that breaks the slots down into 2 
banks a piece.  It's a pretty cool idea though.
Motherboards can be fussy things though, way back when I was using 
128K Simms, I had a motherboard that wanted parity modules, but 
wouldn't use 3 chip Simms, only the 9 chip type.
The one thing I have found in the past is that it is good to not get 
too creative, and while now-a-days you can usually mix modules of 
different size, you don't want to mess around mixing parity verses 
non-parity, and while it usually holds true that you can mix memory 
speeds in older systems, they aren't as forgiving these days.

At 03:06 PM 4/4/2007, you wrote:
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>On Wed, Apr 04, 2007 at 11:16:05AM -0400, talmage@somtel.com wrote:
> > That's not necessarily true.
> > It's system dependent.
> > Factors include Bios and motherboard.
> > To find out what, and how to add memory, the best source is your
> > computer, or motherboard's, manual.
> >
>
>Well, I've been building/fixing systems for 7 years now, and I never
>quite got the hang of the ram installation description in mb
>manuals. For example, the manual for one of my boards reads:
>
>"This motherboard provides three 168 -pin DIMM sites for memory expans
>ion. The DIMM sockets support IMx64 (SMID, 2Mx64 (16MID, 4Mx64 (32MIT,
>SMx64 (64MIT, 16Mx64 (128MIT, 32Mx64 (256MID and 64Mx64 (512MB) or
>double-sided DIMM modules. Minimum memory size is SMB and maximum
>memory size is I.5GB SDRAM. There are three Memory module sockets on
>the system board. (Total six banks)
>In order to create a memory array, certain rules must be followed. The
>following set of rules allows for optimum configurations.* The memory
>array is 64 or 72 bits wide. (Depending on with or without parity)
>* Those modules can be populated in any order
>* Supports single and double density DIMMS
>Table 2-1. Valid Memory Configurations
>Bank
>Memory Module
>Total Memary_
>Bank 0, 1 (DIMMI)
>8, 16,32, 64,128, 256,512MB
>SMB - 512MB
>Bank 2, 3 (DIMM2)
>8, 16, 32, 64,128, 256, 512MB
>SMB - 512MB
>Bank 4, 5 (DIMM3)
>8, 16, 32, 64,128, 256, 512MB
>SMB - 512MB
>Total System Memory
>SMB - L5GB"
>
>This is OCRED, so I know it doesn't read quite right. However, this
>for example seems clear enough:
>
>"2Mx64 (16MID, 4Mx64 (32MIT,"
>
>2X64 = 128, and 4X64 = 256, and not as they say 16 and 32. So, how are
>they getting those numbers, or am I not reading this correctly due to
>the OCR?Fortunately for me, all the modules in this system are non-ecc,
>and the manual does say:
>
>"(Depending on with or without parity)
>* Those modules can be populated in any order"
>
>Also, there are 3 sockets on this board, and 6 banks. I've always
>interpreted that to mean that each bank is for each side of the module,
>(I.E. bank 0 is for the first side of the first module, bank 1 is for
>the second side of the first module). Is that correct?
>
>BTW, I've currently got 512M of RAM in this system, consisting of 2 
>128M modules,
>and a 256 module, all pc100. I'm looking to replace at least one of 
>the 128 modules
>with at least one 256 module, but new RAM of this type is expensive,
>and more often then not, out of stock. Would anyone happen to have
>1 or more 256 or 512 modules of this type laying around that you wouldn't mind
>sticking in an envelope, tossing in the mail, and parting with? If so,
>please let me know privately. Does anybody have an idea how much a 256
>or 512 module of this type would reasonably go for from a used pc
>parts store?
>
>Greg
>
>
>
>
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Re: about the latest ubuntu

[Gregory Nowak]

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On Wed, Apr 04, 2007 at 09:14:54PM -0400, talmage@somtel.com wrote:
> I don't like scanning my manuals for specific info like that, because 
> when I start talking about laying out cash I get serious.  I like to 
> try and download the manuals from the internet as soon as I get new 
> hardware.  

What I posted wasn't actually scanned strictly speaking. Although the
board did come with a hard copy book of course, the pdf on-line and on
the cd was an un-OCRED pdf. So, I had to open it in acrobat reader,
(the non-accessible version in those days), print it to the virtual
paperport printer, save as a multipage tif, and import into openbook,
thus getting the text file, a part of which I posted. No, not elegant
by any means, but it sure did beat sitting in front of the scanner,
flipping pages in the book, and replacing on the glass, since
importing from pdf to openbook only took a few seconds, and I went off
and did something else while openbook did its processing.

Greg


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Re: about the latest ubuntu

[Brent Harding]

I lost the manual and CD for the motherboard. I only know that AOpen made 
it. Is there a good software tool I could run from an Oralux or other 
talking rescue disk that identifies the model number of the motherboard and 
type of ram? At least if I knew what it was, specifications might be able to 
be found online.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <talmage@somtel.com>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 10:16 AM
Subject: RE: about the latest ubuntu


> That's not necessarily true.
> It's system dependent.
> Factors include Bios and motherboard.
> To find out what, and how to add memory, the best source is your
> computer, or motherboard's, manual.
>
> At 10:25 AM 4/4/2007, you wrote:
>>If your going to upgrade memory sticks you need to make sure they're all 
>>the
>>same value, (IE. 256 = 2 128 modules or 1 256 module), if you mix 
>>different
>>size modules you'll end up with the higher sized memory running at the
>>lowest size in your machine. So, if your running a 256 module and add a 
>>128
>>module you'll still only be running 256 total instead of 384mb. HTH
>
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Re: about the latest ubuntu

[talmage]

I don't know of any, but that's not to say there isn't such a thing.
If you have sighted assistance, than the easiest answer is probably 
to open up the case and look for the data tag on the motherboard.
If assistance isn't readily available, you may want to go to the web 
site for AOpen and see if you can find specs for their older systems 
to compare them to your's.
Use factors like slots (how many, ISA verses PCI, is there an AGP, 
etc.), how many memory slots are there, what is built-in (video, 
audio, network), does it have USB and if so how many, does it have 
serial and if so how many and what style- DB9 or DB25), etc.
The only problem with this approach is you're not always assured of a 
match even though the info is available, as sometimes even the same 
model motherboard may have slight variations.
As someone else suggested, you may want to consider pulling 1 of the 
memory modules and taking it to a local computer shop to see if they 
can tell you what it is, or maybe just get the name & numbers of it 
and do a google search on those.  The number you would want would 
probably end with either 128 or 256, depending on whether you 
presently have 1 or 2 modules installed, and I guess for that matter 
if there are 4 slots and they're all populated it would end with 64.
If you pull the memory, be careful and don't force anything, don't 
touch the bottom edge, and put it in some type of static proof bag.
If you can't come up with any specifics on the type of motherboard, 
and you end up buying memory locally, and you get something larger 
than 256MB, make sure they are willing to give you your money back if 
it doesn't work.  My old Dell notebook for instance has 2 Dimm slots 
and won't take larger than 256MB modules.

HTH

Dave

At 03:50 PM 4/4/2007, you wrote:
>I lost the manual and CD for the motherboard. I only know that AOpen made
>it. Is there a good software tool I could run from an Oralux or other
>talking rescue disk that identifies the model number of the motherboard and
>type of ram? At least if I knew what it was, specifications might be able to
>be found online.

Re: about the latest ubuntu

[Brent Harding]

Oh, OK, I heard of a tool for Windows, just not sure if the 98 variety. I 
will maybe have to see, otherwise next time I get sighted help over, we will 
have to see what error the live CD gives and what kind of motherboard is in 
there, if the tag is easily accessible.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <talmage@somtel.com>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 7:53 PM
Subject: Re: about the latest ubuntu


>I don't know of any, but that's not to say there isn't such a thing.
> If you have sighted assistance, than the easiest answer is probably
> to open up the case and look for the data tag on the motherboard.
> If assistance isn't readily available, you may want to go to the web
> site for AOpen and see if you can find specs for their older systems
> to compare them to your's.
> Use factors like slots (how many, ISA verses PCI, is there an AGP,
> etc.), how many memory slots are there, what is built-in (video,
> audio, network), does it have USB and if so how many, does it have
> serial and if so how many and what style- DB9 or DB25), etc.
> The only problem with this approach is you're not always assured of a
> match even though the info is available, as sometimes even the same
> model motherboard may have slight variations.
> As someone else suggested, you may want to consider pulling 1 of the
> memory modules and taking it to a local computer shop to see if they
> can tell you what it is, or maybe just get the name & numbers of it
> and do a google search on those.  The number you would want would
> probably end with either 128 or 256, depending on whether you
> presently have 1 or 2 modules installed, and I guess for that matter
> if there are 4 slots and they're all populated it would end with 64.
> If you pull the memory, be careful and don't force anything, don't
> touch the bottom edge, and put it in some type of static proof bag.
> If you can't come up with any specifics on the type of motherboard,
> and you end up buying memory locally, and you get something larger
> than 256MB, make sure they are willing to give you your money back if
> it doesn't work.  My old Dell notebook for instance has 2 Dimm slots
> and won't take larger than 256MB modules.
>
> HTH
>
> Dave
>
> At 03:50 PM 4/4/2007, you wrote:
>>I lost the manual and CD for the motherboard. I only know that AOpen made
>>it. Is there a good software tool I could run from an Oralux or other
>>talking rescue disk that identifies the model number of the motherboard 
>>and
>>type of ram? At least if I knew what it was, specifications might be able 
>>to
>>be found online.
>
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Re: about the latest ubuntu

[John Heim]

I haven't seen a machine that required matching memory sticks in years. I 
have  mixed and matched them in many different machines over the past 
several years.  I can't say there doesn't still exist machines that require 
matching sticks. But I don't think that is common. In fact, right before I 
sat down to read my email, I took apart a Dell 4100 and it had a 256 Mb 
stick and a 128 Mb stick and it recognized both for what they were. We're 
sending this old beast off to be junked and it's a 1 Ghz machine. That is 
why I think you can get RAM for a machine like that for next to nothing. 
Nobody wants old machines like that any more and you could easily salvage 
the RAM.

But if anyone takes my advice about upgrading RAM by going to a used 
computer store, it probably wouldn't hurt to pull the existing stick out and 
take it with you.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <talmage@somtel.com>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 10:16 AM
Subject: RE: about the latest ubuntu


> That's not necessarily true.
> It's system dependent.
> Factors include Bios and motherboard.
> To find out what, and how to add memory, the best source is your
> computer, or motherboard's, manual.
>
> At 10:25 AM 4/4/2007, you wrote:
>>If your going to upgrade memory sticks you need to make sure they're all 
>>the
>>same value, (IE. 256 = 2 128 modules or 1 256 module), if you mix 
>>different
>>size modules you'll end up with the higher sized memory running at the
>>lowest size in your machine. So, if your running a 256 module and add a 
>>128
>>module you'll still only be running 256 total instead of 384mb. HTH
>
>
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RE: about the latest ubuntu

[Anthony Creapeau]

I was just taking on some precaution here. Since he was talking about an old
machine there's a possibility that he could run into this problem.

-----Original Message-----
From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca]
On Behalf Of John Heim
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 4:42 PM
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
Subject: Re: about the latest ubuntu

I haven't seen a machine that required matching memory sticks in years. I
have  mixed and matched them in many different machines over the past
several years.  I can't say there doesn't still exist machines that require
matching sticks. But I don't think that is common. In fact, right before I
sat down to read my email, I took apart a Dell 4100 and it had a 256 Mb
stick and a 128 Mb stick and it recognized both for what they were. We're
sending this old beast off to be junked and it's a 1 Ghz machine. That is
why I think you can get RAM for a machine like that for next to nothing. 
Nobody wants old machines like that any more and you could easily salvage
the RAM.

But if anyone takes my advice about upgrading RAM by going to a used
computer store, it probably wouldn't hurt to pull the existing stick out and
take it with you.

----- Original Message -----
From: <talmage@somtel.com>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 10:16 AM
Subject: RE: about the latest ubuntu


> That's not necessarily true.
> It's system dependent.
> Factors include Bios and motherboard.
> To find out what, and how to add memory, the best source is your
> computer, or motherboard's, manual.
>
> At 10:25 AM 4/4/2007, you wrote:
>>If your going to upgrade memory sticks you need to make sure they're all 
>>the
>>same value, (IE. 256 = 2 128 modules or 1 256 module), if you mix 
>>different
>>size modules you'll end up with the higher sized memory running at the
>>lowest size in your machine. So, if your running a 256 module and add a 
>>128
>>module you'll still only be running 256 total instead of 384mb. HTH
>
>
>
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Re: about the latest ubuntu

[Alex Snow]

I haven't seen many machines that require match pairs (usually using 
72-pin EDO) much past the pentium era...everything after that seemed 
to go to sdram for obvious performence reasons.

On Wed, Apr 04, 2007 at 04:54:08PM -0500, Anthony 
Creapeau wrote:
> I was just taking on some precaution here. Since he was talking about an old
> machine there's a possibility that he could run into this problem.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca]
> On Behalf Of John Heim
> Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 4:42 PM
> To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
> Subject: Re: about the latest ubuntu
> 
> I haven't seen a machine that required matching memory sticks in years. I
> have  mixed and matched them in many different machines over the past
> several years.  I can't say there doesn't still exist machines that require
> matching sticks. But I don't think that is common. In fact, right before I
> sat down to read my email, I took apart a Dell 4100 and it had a 256 Mb
> stick and a 128 Mb stick and it recognized both for what they were. We're
> sending this old beast off to be junked and it's a 1 Ghz machine. That is
> why I think you can get RAM for a machine like that for next to nothing. 
> Nobody wants old machines like that any more and you could easily salvage
> the RAM.
> 
> But if anyone takes my advice about upgrading RAM by going to a used
> computer store, it probably wouldn't hurt to pull the existing stick out and
> take it with you.
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <talmage@somtel.com>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 10:16 AM
> Subject: RE: about the latest ubuntu
> 
> 
> > That's not necessarily true.
> > It's system dependent.
> > Factors include Bios and motherboard.
> > To find out what, and how to add memory, the best source is your
> > computer, or motherboard's, manual.
> >
> > At 10:25 AM 4/4/2007, you wrote:
> >>If your going to upgrade memory sticks you need to make sure they're all 
> >>the
> >>same value, (IE. 256 = 2 128 modules or 1 256 module), if you mix 
> >>different
> >>size modules you'll end up with the higher sized memory running at the
> >>lowest size in your machine. So, if your running a 256 module and add a 
> >>128
> >>module you'll still only be running 256 total instead of 384mb. HTH
> >
> >
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Re: about the latest ubuntu

[John Heim]

Yeah, like I said, it probably wouldn't hurt to take the old stick out and 
take it with you when you buy more RAM.  It's a good thing to make people 
aware of the possibility that they could run into that problem. But it is 
also a good thing to make sure they know it's not likely to be a problem.

If you don't have the manual for the motherboard or if it is in print like 
some of mine, then I would just risk it.  Ask around, I'll bet you can find 
someone to *give* you RAM for  a 1 Ghz machine. You can probably find 
someone to give you the whole machine so they don't have to pay the 
recycling fee.

We have piles of memory sticks around here from old machines. I mentioned 
that I was stripping the useful parts out of a computer yesterday. I didn't 
even bother to remove the RAM. I took out the NIC and the CD burner. The 
rest, case, 20 Mb HD, 384 Mb RAM, video card, etc will probably end up in a 
landfill in China.

[My wife used to write for PC World Magazine and she did a story once how 
these computer recycling things are a scam. You pay them $20 -  $40  to take 
your computer off your hands and they don't do anything with it but dump it 
into a landfill.]

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Anthony Creapeau" <creapeaa@msoe.edu>
To: "'Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.'" 
<speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 4:54 PM
Subject: RE: about the latest ubuntu


>I was just taking on some precaution here. Since he was talking about an 
>old
> machine there's a possibility that he could run into this problem.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca 
> [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca]
> On Behalf Of John Heim
> Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 4:42 PM
> To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
> Subject: Re: about the latest ubuntu
>
> I haven't seen a machine that required matching memory sticks in years. I
> have  mixed and matched them in many different machines over the past
> several years.  I can't say there doesn't still exist machines that 
> require
> matching sticks. But I don't think that is common. In fact, right before I
> sat down to read my email, I took apart a Dell 4100 and it had a 256 Mb
> stick and a 128 Mb stick and it recognized both for what they were. We're
> sending this old beast off to be junked and it's a 1 Ghz machine. That is
> why I think you can get RAM for a machine like that for next to nothing.
> Nobody wants old machines like that any more and you could easily salvage
> the RAM.
>
> But if anyone takes my advice about upgrading RAM by going to a used
> computer store, it probably wouldn't hurt to pull the existing stick out 
> and
> take it with you.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <talmage@somtel.com>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." 
> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 10:16 AM
> Subject: RE: about the latest ubuntu
>
>
>> That's not necessarily true.
>> It's system dependent.
>> Factors include Bios and motherboard.
>> To find out what, and how to add memory, the best source is your
>> computer, or motherboard's, manual.
>>
>> At 10:25 AM 4/4/2007, you wrote:
>>>If your going to upgrade memory sticks you need to make sure they're all
>>>the
>>>same value, (IE. 256 = 2 128 modules or 1 256 module), if you mix
>>>different
>>>size modules you'll end up with the higher sized memory running at the
>>>lowest size in your machine. So, if your running a 256 module and add a
>>>128
>>>module you'll still only be running 256 total instead of 384mb. HTH
>>
>>
>>
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Re: about the latest ubuntu

[Brent Harding]

I probably can try more memory, but I will have to keep on the lookout for a 
better machine for the future as I start to want to do more.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Heim" <jheim@math.wisc.edu>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 8:42 AM
Subject: Re: about the latest ubuntu


>I had a 1 Ghz machine with 256 Mb RAM.  And it froze when I ran the ubuntu
> installer, ubiquity. I bumpted it up to 512 and it worked. So I'll bet you
> have to have something more than 256 but maybe you can get by with less 
> than
> 512. What is 256 + 128? 384, right? Didn't somebody else say they were
> running ubuntu from the CD with 384?
>
>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." 
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> Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 4:15 PM
> Subject: Re: about the latest ubuntu
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>> need ram to run gnome, but he also needs ram for the file system.
>>
>> Greg
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 03, 2007 at 04:55:09PM -0400, Alex Snow wrote:
>>> I'm running gnome on a 1ghz pIII with 256mb and its not all that bad.
>>
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Re: about the latest ubuntu

[talmage]

I would think that should work, I'm running it on a 700MHz notebook 
with 384 MB of Ram, but ...
What video card does it have, and what sound card?  Maybe Ubuntu 
doesn't like playing with one of these.
In my case I had to use the alternate installation CD because of the 
dirty, rotten, miserable graphics adapter built-in to my 
laptop.  It's an ATI Rage Mobility 4, and after looking around I've 
seen quite a few issues discussing ATI cards.

Dave

At 02:57 PM 4/3/2007, you wrote:
>It's a Pentium 3, 1 gig machine with 256 mb of ram, 2 hard drives, one 30
>gigs, and the other around 6.4 gigs.
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Kenny Hitt" <kenny@hittsjunk.net>
>To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
>Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 12:50 PM
>Subject: Re: about the latest ubuntu
>
>
> > Hi.
> >
> > You didn't tell us all the specs on the hardware, but it sounds like you
> > don't have the resources to run the Ubuntu livecd.
> >
> > Remember, Gnome will need a lot of ram and processor speed to be useful.
> >
> >          Kenny
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Re: about the latest ubuntu

[John Heim]

I suspect your problem is that ubuntu is running out of RAM. I have a 1 Ghz 
P3 machine with 512 RAM. But ubuntu didn't work until I bumpted it up from 
256 to 512. RAM for a machine like that is cheap. I got mine for free from 
someone who was throwing out an old computer.  If you can get to a used 
computer store, you should be able to bump your machine up to 512 for ten 
bucks.

Even if you get it working, it will be painfully slow. You could experiment 
with orca on a machine like that but it will be too slow to use for real.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Brent Harding" <bharding@doorpi.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 1:57 PM
Subject: Re: about the latest ubuntu


> It's a Pentium 3, 1 gig machine with 256 mb of ram, 2 hard drives, one 30
> gigs, and the other around 6.4 gigs.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Kenny Hitt" <kenny@hittsjunk.net>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 12:50 PM
> Subject: Re: about the latest ubuntu
>
>
>> Hi.
>>
>> You didn't tell us all the specs on the hardware, but it sounds like you
>> don't have the resources to run the Ubuntu livecd.
>>
>> Remember, Gnome will need a lot of ram and processor speed to be useful.
>>
>>          Kenny
>>
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Re: about the latest ubuntu

[Glenn Ervin]

Brent Harding wrote:
: Oh, I was hoping I could bypass the need for sighted help. That is
: because if it doesn't just jump out with an error, things will get
: hard to figure out. I don't know how to disable the wave device on
: the modem, and the USB is all 1.1 or 1.0, so I doubt my USB headset
: will do much as it's a 2.0 device. If there is a chip for sound on
: the motherboard with no connectors hooked to it, I hope the Bios
: disabled it beyond Linux's reach as 98 never detected it, even after
: a reformat. It only found the wave device on the modem and the SB
: Live. If I bought a speaker phone, I wonder if the modem would power
: it and put speech through it? I have no phone line hooked to the
: computer because I have no dialup accounts to use it with anyways.
:
:
:
: ----- Original Message -----
: From: "Zachary Kline" <Z_kline@hotmail.com>
: To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."
: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 11:51 PM
: Subject: Re: about the latest ubuntu
:
:
:: Howdy,
:: Fortunately or unfortunately, this is the time to call for sighted
:: assistance, I believe.  It's a shame thhat not all machines work as
:: they should--most are supposed to, and in the main most do.
:: Apart from that, I'm not sure what other suggestions I might have
:: for you. It's a little hard to figure out what's happening.
:: Sorry to be unhelpful,
:: Zack.
::
:: ----- Original Message -----
:: From: "Brent Harding" <bharding@doorpi.net>
:: To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."
:: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
:: Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 9:36 PM
:: Subject: Re: about the latest ubuntu
::
::
::: What I haven't thought of is the modem. I have no onboard sound
::: connectors,
::: but I got a voice capable modem that has nothing, not even a phone
::: line, hooked up to it. When I got my new machine and gave up 98, it
::: could be working fine and I'd come home after school to have to
::: power-cycle it because it just always suddenly quit responding to
::: anything whenever it felt
::: like it. I hope it isn't just freezing while trying to boot the CD
::: as I know
::: it's not the disk's problem because it works on this machine with
::: the Turtle
::: Beach card, as a live CD. I wish I knew what the error is or if the
::: volume
::: isn't just all the way muted by default? I could probably find a
::: text-based
::: talking disk to reformat the drive free of the old stuff that was
::: still there, but I doubt the CD cares what is on any hard drive.
:::
:::
::: ----- Original Message -----
::: From: "Lorenzo Taylor" <lorenzo@taylor.homelinux.net>
::: To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."
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::: Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 9:54 PM
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:::: Sound Blaster Live Value is in fact supported on the live CD. I
:::: happen to have one myself. Your problem may be that you have
:::: onboard sound that is being automatically chosen by default. Try
:::: plugging into your onboard audio for the install. You can always
:::: change it later by blacklisting its driver, which I have done, so
:::: I can tell you how to do. But for now, your best bet is to use
:::: your onboard audio while using the live CD.
::::
:::: HTH,
:::: Lorenzo
:::: - --
:::: I've always found anomalies to be very relaxing. It's a curse.
:::: - --Jadzia Dax: Star Trek Deep Space Nine (The Assignment)
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I have tried the latest Ubuntu, and it does not work with my laptop's 
soundcard.
I have yet to find a Live CD that works in the Averatec 2300 series.
Any suggestions?
I have tried GRML, Ubuntu, and I know I tried Knoppix, but I thought there 
was another I tried, but so far, no luck, as I am trying to access a hidden 
partition on my HD.
Glenn

Re: about the latest ubuntu

[Brent Harding]

Oh, I was hoping I could bypass the need for sighted help. That is because 
if it doesn't just jump out with an error, things will get hard to figure 
out. I don't know how to disable the wave device on the modem, and the USB 
is all 1.1 or 1.0, so I doubt my USB headset will do much as it's a 2.0 
device. If there is a chip for sound on the motherboard with no connectors 
hooked to it, I hope the Bios disabled it beyond Linux's reach as 98 never 
detected it, even after a reformat. It only found the wave device on the 
modem and the SB Live. If I bought a speaker phone, I wonder if the modem 
would power it and put speech through it? I have no phone line hooked to the 
computer because I have no dialup accounts to use it with anyways0.



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Zachary Kline" <Z_kline@hotmail.com>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 11:51 PM
Subject: Re: about the latest ubuntu


> Howdy,
> Fortunately or unfortunately, this is the time to call for sighted
> assistance, I believe.  It's a shame thhat not all machines work as they
> should--most are supposed to, and in the main most do.
> Apart from that, I'm not sure what other suggestions I might have for you.
> It's a little hard to figure out what's happening.
> Sorry to be unhelpful,
> Zack.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Brent Harding" <bharding@doorpi.net>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." 
> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 9:36 PM
> Subject: Re: about the latest ubuntu
>
>
>> What I haven't thought of is the modem. I have no onboard sound
>> connectors,
>> but I got a voice capable modem that has nothing, not even a phone line,
>> hooked up to it. When I got my new machine and gave up 98, it could be
>> working fine and I'd come home after school to have to power-cycle it
>> because it just always suddenly quit responding to anything whenever it
>> felt
>> like it. I hope it isn't just freezing while trying to boot the CD as I
>> know
>> it's not the disk's problem because it works on this machine with the
>> Turtle
>> Beach card, as a live CD. I wish I knew what the error is or if the 
>> volume
>> isn't just all the way muted by default? I could probably find a
>> text-based
>> talking disk to reformat the drive free of the old stuff that was still
>> there, but I doubt the CD cares what is on any hard drive.
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Lorenzo Taylor" <lorenzo@taylor.homelinux.net>
>> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."
>> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
>> Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 9:54 PM
>> Subject: Re: about the latest ubuntu
>>
>>
>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>>> Hash: SHA1
>>>
>>> Sound Blaster Live Value is in fact supported on the live CD. I happen
>>> to have one myself. Your problem may be that you have onboard sound that
>>> is being automatically chosen by default. Try plugging into your onboard
>>> audio for the install. You can always change it later by blacklisting
>>> its driver, which I have done, so I can tell you how to do. But for now,
>>> your best bet is to use your onboard audio while using the live CD.
>>>
>>> HTH,
>>> Lorenzo
>>> - -- 
>>> I've always found anomalies to be very relaxing. It's a curse.
>>> - --Jadzia Dax: Star Trek Deep Space Nine (The Assignment)
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