A version of Speakup... for your cell phone?

A version of Speakup... for your cell phone?

[James Homuth]

Could happen, if you've got about $600, presumeably US, to spare. 
Apparently, the first Linux cell phone will be available in the first 
few months of 2007, released by D-Link. It'll be a GSM capable phone, 
with all the features you'd expect, and will hopefully work with your 
current GSM provider. Information from article at 
http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/10/04/0142257&from=rss

James

Re: A version of Speakup... for your cell phone?

[Gregory Nowak]

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Even if you do have the $600 to spend, I wouldn't hold my breath.

Fore one thing, we know for a fact that speakup runs on x86, and
x86-64 architectures, but I don't recall seeing reports on other
archs. As far as I know, no cell phone out there today uses either of
the x86 architectures.

Second, how do you expect to use speakup with the cell phone, via a
serial synth? In that case, it would hardly be useful as a cell
phone. Ok, granted, there is software speech, but I just don't see a
cell phone having the resources to run speech-dispatcher/speechd-up/
festival/flite/espeak/whatever else.

Greg


On Wed, Oct 04, 2006 at 09:48:24AM -0400, James Homuth wrote:
> Could happen, if you've got about $600, presumeably US, to spare. 
> Apparently, the first Linux cell phone will be available in the first 
> few months of 2007, released by D-Link. It'll be a GSM capable phone, 
> with all the features you'd expect, and will hopefully work with your 
> current GSM provider. Information from article at 
> http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/10/04/0142257&from=rss
> 
> James
> 
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Re: A version of Speakup... for your cell phone?

[ace]

Not to get off on a cellphone rant or anything but, first, this won't be 
the first Linux phone.  I know for sure that the Owasys 22C runs Linux. 
  Secondly, just to voice an opinion: Why isn't anyone developing 
accessible CDMA phones?  Where I live, the GSM signal sucks and I am 
only able to use Verizon with great signal.

James Homuth wrote:
> Could happen, if you've got about $600, presumeably US, to spare. 
> Apparently, the first Linux cell phone will be available in the first 
> few months of 2007, released by D-Link. It'll be a GSM capable phone, 
> with all the features you'd expect, and will hopefully work with your 
> current GSM provider. Information from article at 
> http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/10/04/0142257&from=rss
> 
> James
> 
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Re: A version of Speakup... for your cell phone?

[Gregory Nowak]

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On Wed, Oct 04, 2006 at 05:04:14PM -0400, ace wrote:
>   Secondly, just to voice an opinion: Why isn't anyone developing 
> accessible CDMA phones? 

I stand to be corrected by someone much more knowledgeable on the subject
then myself. However, from what I understand, CDMA is closed, and the
providers don't want to share the specs with anyone else. GSM is open,
and the advantage is from what I understand, that unlike with CDMA,
you can simply slap a SIM card into any GSM phone, and away you go.

Like I said, I'm by no means knowledgeable on the subject, so take the
above with a grain of salt, for now at least, until someone more
qualified then I who can
explain it better decides to reply.

Greg




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Re: A version of Speakup... for your cell phone?

[Sean McMahon]

I think there are several law suits on the issue of accessible cellphones which 
relate to cdma-based networks.    the short answer is that gsm is what 82% of 
the global mobile phone market uses according to gsmworld.com.  I believe it is 
an open standard and I know that some of the operating systems used on these 
phones like simbian and linux are open.  This is america, we defy the world's 
standards from digital radio and TV. to measurement.
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> Not to get off on a cellphone rant or anything but, first, this won't be
> the first Linux phone.  I know for sure that the Owasys 22C runs Linux.
>  Secondly, just to voice an opinion: Why isn't anyone developing
> accessible CDMA phones?  Where I live, the GSM signal sucks and I am
> only able to use Verizon with great signal.
>
> James Homuth wrote:
>> Could happen, if you've got about $600, presumeably US, to spare.
>> Apparently, the first Linux cell phone will be available in the first
>> few months of 2007, released by D-Link. It'll be a GSM capable phone,
>> with all the features you'd expect, and will hopefully work with your
>> current GSM provider. Information from article at
>> http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/10/04/0142257&from=rss
>>
>> James
>>
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Re: A version of Speakup... for your cell phone?

[Jonathan Duddington]

In article <20061004171752.GA5364@localhost.localdomain>,
   Gregory Nowak <greg@romuald.net.eu.org> wrote:

> Ok, granted, there is software speech, but I just don't see a
> cell phone having the resources to run speech-dispatcher/speechd-up/
> festival/flite/espeak/whatever else.

It shouldn't be a problem. I'm typing this email on a 200MHz ARM
processor, with eSpeak echoing words as I type.

I have measured eSpeak taking 51 sec to process 6 min 3 sec of speech
output while processing text to produce a WAV file.  That's about 14%
processor occupancy.

I originally wrote it to run on a 12MHz ARM processor!

Re: A version of Speakup... for your cell phone?

[Gregory Nowak]

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Ok, that takes care of the CPU requirements, now what about the amount
of RAM required, as it relates again to the resources available in a
cell phone?

Greg


On Wed, Oct 04, 2006 at 11:23:10PM +0100, Jonathan Duddington wrote:
> It shouldn't be a problem. I'm typing this email on a 200MHz ARM
> processor, with eSpeak echoing words as I type.
> 
> I have measured eSpeak taking 51 sec to process 6 min 3 sec of speech
> output while processing text to produce a WAV file.  That's about 14%
> processor occupancy.
> 
> I originally wrote it to run on a 12MHz ARM processor!
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

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RE: A version of Speakup... for your cell phone?

[Marc Mulcahy]

Hi all:

If it can run Linux, than it can probably run Speakup.  We nearly have
Speakup running on the Icon.

More accurately I should say, it runs, but we're working on getting in and
out of console mode...

Marc

Re: A version of Speakup... for your cell phone?

[Kirk Reiser]

Actually I don't think it would be to difficult.  I suspect the
hardest part would be getting around the graphical user interface they
use on most of them.  A friend has offerred to purchase one for me if
I'd port speakup to it but I haven't really had the time to do the
back ground research to find a suitable unit.  if anyone has
suggestions with details and prices I will look into it.

I am not sure the trade off between needing to use a high end linux
cell phone/pda will work out any less expensive than buying one of the
subsidized phones with talx or mobile speak.

I don't think one would need to use speech dispatcher if memory would
be an issue.  A small stub program could act as a go between from say
speakup to espeak.  You could probably even modify espeak to open
speakups softsynth device directly and bypass using a stub program
completely.

I have to admit it is an interesting challenge, even considering I hate
telephones.

  Kirk

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Re: A version of Speakup... for your cell phone?

[Michael Whapples]

I would have thought it should be possible, but some tweaking may be needed 
to get it working well. When you consider things such as mbrola has been 
ported to symbian series60, and flite has been run on an ipod (I can't 
remember the specific link, but it was part of the ipodlinux project).

Also it won't be the first phone to run linux, as I remember, when looking 
how to connect my phone to my linux machine, I found some one who had tried 
to put linux on a nokia 3650 (or similar).

Mobile phones are becoming so close to the specs of PDA's and such like, I 
am now just waiting for the day when so much time has been spent on the 
other features, that manufacturers forget to put the phone functions in.

From
Michael Whapples

Gregory Nowak writes:

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> Ok, that takes care of the CPU requirements, now what about the amount
> of RAM required, as it relates again to the resources available in a
> cell phone?
> 
> Greg
> 
> 
> On Wed, Oct 04, 2006 at 11:23:10PM +0100, Jonathan Duddington wrote:
>> It shouldn't be a problem. I'm typing this email on a 200MHz ARM
>> processor, with eSpeak echoing words as I type.
>> 
>> I have measured eSpeak taking 51 sec to process 6 min 3 sec of speech
>> output while processing text to produce a WAV file.  That's about 14%
>> processor occupancy.
>> 
>> I originally wrote it to run on a 12MHz ARM processor!
>> 
>> 
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>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
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Re: A version of Speakup... for your cell phone?

[Jonathan Duddington]

In article <20061004233315.GA11387@localhost.localdomain>,
   Gregory Nowak <greg@romuald.net.eu.org> wrote:

> Ok, that takes care of the CPU requirements, now what about the amount
> of RAM required, as it relates again to the resources available in a
> cell phone?

I did a test on Linux, with the command:
   speak -w test.wav -f longTextFile

This showed the speak process's memory usage as:
  VmSize:  3.4 MByte  (total amount of virtual memory). 
  VmRss:   1.5 MByte  (total amount of physical memory).

I'm not sure why it's using virtual memory, but these figures seem
modest by today's standards.

Using the portaudio interface increases the VmSize to 28 MByte.

Re: A version of Speakup... for your cell phone?

[Gregory Nowak]

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On Wed, Oct 04, 2006 at 07:45:15PM -0400, Kirk Reiser wrote:
> I don't think one would need to use speech dispatcher if memory would
> be an issue.  A small stub program could act as a go between from say
> speakup to espeak.  You could probably even modify espeak to open
> speakups softsynth device directly and bypass using a stub program
> completely.
> 

You've got a point there Kirk, and it's one I failed to consider. I
guess I got too used to the way that speakup interfaces to software
synths now, to attempt thinking out of the box here. However, yes, I'll
admit that with speech-dispatcher/speechd-up out of the way, it does
look doable from the memory side as well.

Greg




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Re: A version of Speakup... for your cell phone?

[Gregory Nowak]

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My main concern was not espeak, since I know that has a small
footprint, another thing that makes it a great software synth. I was
thinking more in terms of the RAM used by
speech-dispatcher/speechd-up, and festival for example, (which
someone, somewhere might want to use instead of espeak for some weird
reason). While by themselves speech-dispatcher and speechd-up might
not seem like much, if you put that concern in the context of all the
other applications that people run today on their PDA cell phones,
every single k-byte counts.

As I've stated in my previous post though, if you eliminate
speech-dispatcher/speechd-up, and use something like espeak, it does
seem doable.

Greg


On Thu, Oct 05, 2006 at 02:06:25AM +0100, Jonathan Duddington wrote:
> I did a test on Linux, with the command:
>    speak -w test.wav -f longTextFile
> 
> This showed the speak process's memory usage as:
>   VmSize:  3.4 MByte  (total amount of virtual memory). 
>   VmRss:   1.5 MByte  (total amount of physical memory).
> 
> I'm not sure why it's using virtual memory, but these figures seem
> modest by today's standards.
> 
> Using the portaudio interface increases the VmSize to 28 MByte.
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

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Re: A version of Speakup... for your cell phone?

[Glenn at home]

Hey, if it will run on an Icon, does it, or can it run on an Axim, or iPaq?
I have one of each of these begging for speech output.
Glenn
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Hi all:

If it can run Linux, than it can probably run Speakup.  We nearly have
Speakup running on the Icon.

More accurately I should say, it runs, but we're working on getting in and
out of console mode...

Marc


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Re: A version of Speakup... for your cell phone?

[Luke Davis]

Read the comments in the thread referenced in the quote
(http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/10/04/0142257&from=rss).

That can give you a pretty good idea if true: the PDA style cellular 
equipment is all using GSM, or at least is not using CDMA.
Why develop speech software for a phone that can do little more than be a 
phone?
Now, you and I might have a retort to that, but I suspect that this very 
well might be the industry mindset.

Luke

On Wed, 4 Oct 2006, ace wrote:

> Not to get off on a cellphone rant or anything but, first, this won't be 
> the first Linux phone.  I know for sure that the Owasys 22C runs Linux. 
>   Secondly, just to voice an opinion: Why isn't anyone developing 
> accessible CDMA phones?  Where I live, the GSM signal sucks and I am 
> only able to use Verizon with great signal.
> 
> James Homuth wrote:
> > Could happen, if you've got about $600, presumeably US, to spare. 
> > Apparently, the first Linux cell phone will be available in the first 
> > few months of 2007, released by D-Link. It'll be a GSM capable phone, 
> > with all the features you'd expect, and will hopefully work with your 
> > current GSM provider. Information from article at 
> > http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/10/04/0142257&from=rss
> > 
> > James
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
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> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
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Re: A version of Speakup... for your cell phone?

[Luke Davis]

On Wed, 4 Oct 2006, Jonathan Duddington wrote:

> It shouldn't be a problem. I'm typing this email on a 200MHz ARM
> processor, with eSpeak echoing words as I type.

What device is it that you are using, if I may inquire?

Re: A version of Speakup... for your cell phone?

[Jonathan Duddington]

In article <Pine.BSF.4.64.0610042338260.19876@freire2.furyyjbeyq.arg>,
   Luke Davis <ldavis@shellworld.net> wrote:
> On Wed, 4 Oct 2006, Jonathan Duddington wrote:

> > It shouldn't be a problem. I'm typing this email on a 200MHz ARM
> > processor, with eSpeak echoing words as I type.

> What device is it that you are using, if I may inquire?

It's not a portable device, it's an old desktop computer called "Risc
PC", see:
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riscpc

I use it because of an excellent email program (although I'm probably
biased about that :-) One useful feature is that when speaking emails
and newsgroups messages it speaks different levels of quoting (from
previous messages) with different voices.  Do any Linux email clients
do this?