* A version of Speakup... for your cell phone? @ James Homuth ` Gregory Nowak ` ace 0 siblings, 2 replies; 17+ messages in thread From: James Homuth @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup Could happen, if you've got about $600, presumeably US, to spare. Apparently, the first Linux cell phone will be available in the first few months of 2007, released by D-Link. It'll be a GSM capable phone, with all the features you'd expect, and will hopefully work with your current GSM provider. Information from article at http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/10/04/0142257&from=rss James ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: A version of Speakup... for your cell phone? A version of Speakup... for your cell phone? James Homuth @ ` Gregory Nowak ` Jonathan Duddington ` ace 1 sibling, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread From: Gregory Nowak @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Even if you do have the $600 to spend, I wouldn't hold my breath. Fore one thing, we know for a fact that speakup runs on x86, and x86-64 architectures, but I don't recall seeing reports on other archs. As far as I know, no cell phone out there today uses either of the x86 architectures. Second, how do you expect to use speakup with the cell phone, via a serial synth? In that case, it would hardly be useful as a cell phone. Ok, granted, there is software speech, but I just don't see a cell phone having the resources to run speech-dispatcher/speechd-up/ festival/flite/espeak/whatever else. Greg On Wed, Oct 04, 2006 at 09:48:24AM -0400, James Homuth wrote: > Could happen, if you've got about $600, presumeably US, to spare. > Apparently, the first Linux cell phone will be available in the first > few months of 2007, released by D-Link. It'll be a GSM capable phone, > with all the features you'd expect, and will hopefully work with your > current GSM provider. Information from article at > http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/10/04/0142257&from=rss > > James > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup - -- web site: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org gpg public key: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org/pubkey.asc skype: gregn1 (authorization required, add me to your contacts list first) - -- Free domains: http://www.eu.org/ or mail dns-manager@EU.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFFI+zA7s9z/XlyUyARAluwAJ94iMLn4zQeSBMHz+epK1Gb+Sf3GgCeOaiE Z2NFtlhDkLUyuWQf3NkzW+E= =VAjc -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: A version of Speakup... for your cell phone? ` Gregory Nowak @ ` Jonathan Duddington ` Gregory Nowak ` Luke Davis 0 siblings, 2 replies; 17+ messages in thread From: Jonathan Duddington @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. In article <20061004171752.GA5364@localhost.localdomain>, Gregory Nowak <greg@romuald.net.eu.org> wrote: > Ok, granted, there is software speech, but I just don't see a > cell phone having the resources to run speech-dispatcher/speechd-up/ > festival/flite/espeak/whatever else. It shouldn't be a problem. I'm typing this email on a 200MHz ARM processor, with eSpeak echoing words as I type. I have measured eSpeak taking 51 sec to process 6 min 3 sec of speech output while processing text to produce a WAV file. That's about 14% processor occupancy. I originally wrote it to run on a 12MHz ARM processor! ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: A version of Speakup... for your cell phone? ` Jonathan Duddington @ ` Gregory Nowak ` Marc Mulcahy ` (3 more replies) ` Luke Davis 1 sibling, 4 replies; 17+ messages in thread From: Gregory Nowak @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Ok, that takes care of the CPU requirements, now what about the amount of RAM required, as it relates again to the resources available in a cell phone? Greg On Wed, Oct 04, 2006 at 11:23:10PM +0100, Jonathan Duddington wrote: > It shouldn't be a problem. I'm typing this email on a 200MHz ARM > processor, with eSpeak echoing words as I type. > > I have measured eSpeak taking 51 sec to process 6 min 3 sec of speech > output while processing text to produce a WAV file. That's about 14% > processor occupancy. > > I originally wrote it to run on a 12MHz ARM processor! > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup - -- web site: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org gpg public key: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org/pubkey.asc skype: gregn1 (authorization required, add me to your contacts list first) - -- Free domains: http://www.eu.org/ or mail dns-manager@EU.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFFJES77s9z/XlyUyARAgyAAKC4j8ncBM98jByMtN0txg8F3alyowCgiDGm fMH/gxYg/8s2gQ5je3E4C3I= =PnXx -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* RE: A version of Speakup... for your cell phone? ` Gregory Nowak @ ` Marc Mulcahy ` Glenn at home ` Kirk Reiser ` (2 subsequent siblings) 3 siblings, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread From: Marc Mulcahy @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: 'Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.' Hi all: If it can run Linux, than it can probably run Speakup. We nearly have Speakup running on the Icon. More accurately I should say, it runs, but we're working on getting in and out of console mode... Marc ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: A version of Speakup... for your cell phone? ` Marc Mulcahy @ ` Glenn at home 0 siblings, 0 replies; 17+ messages in thread From: Glenn at home @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Hey, if it will run on an Icon, does it, or can it run on an Axim, or iPaq? I have one of each of these begging for speech output. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marc Mulcahy" <marc@levelstar.com> To: "'Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.'" <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 6:41 PM Subject: RE: A version of Speakup... for your cell phone? Hi all: If it can run Linux, than it can probably run Speakup. We nearly have Speakup running on the Icon. More accurately I should say, it runs, but we're working on getting in and out of console mode... Marc _______________________________________________ Speakup mailing list Speakup@braille.uwo.ca http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: A version of Speakup... for your cell phone? ` Gregory Nowak ` Marc Mulcahy @ ` Kirk Reiser ` Gregory Nowak ` Michael Whapples ` Jonathan Duddington 3 siblings, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread From: Kirk Reiser @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Actually I don't think it would be to difficult. I suspect the hardest part would be getting around the graphical user interface they use on most of them. A friend has offerred to purchase one for me if I'd port speakup to it but I haven't really had the time to do the back ground research to find a suitable unit. if anyone has suggestions with details and prices I will look into it. I am not sure the trade off between needing to use a high end linux cell phone/pda will work out any less expensive than buying one of the subsidized phones with talx or mobile speak. I don't think one would need to use speech dispatcher if memory would be an issue. A small stub program could act as a go between from say speakup to espeak. You could probably even modify espeak to open speakups softsynth device directly and bypass using a stub program completely. I have to admit it is an interesting challenge, even considering I hate telephones. Kirk -- Kirk Reiser The Computer Braille Facility e-mail: kirk@braille.uwo.ca University of Western Ontario phone: (519) 661-3061 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: A version of Speakup... for your cell phone? ` Kirk Reiser @ ` Gregory Nowak 0 siblings, 0 replies; 17+ messages in thread From: Gregory Nowak @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, Oct 04, 2006 at 07:45:15PM -0400, Kirk Reiser wrote: > I don't think one would need to use speech dispatcher if memory would > be an issue. A small stub program could act as a go between from say > speakup to espeak. You could probably even modify espeak to open > speakups softsynth device directly and bypass using a stub program > completely. > You've got a point there Kirk, and it's one I failed to consider. I guess I got too used to the way that speakup interfaces to software synths now, to attempt thinking out of the box here. However, yes, I'll admit that with speech-dispatcher/speechd-up out of the way, it does look doable from the memory side as well. Greg - -- web site: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org gpg public key: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org/pubkey.asc skype: gregn1 (authorization required, add me to your contacts list first) - -- Free domains: http://www.eu.org/ or mail dns-manager@EU.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFFJFqw7s9z/XlyUyARAmxcAJ4lk9Tgp/AnJXylhdv8CP9y4ruwbwCgiTcF yhf2YGfSaDLi2w77lb8wL6s= =9tmT -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: A version of Speakup... for your cell phone? ` Gregory Nowak ` Marc Mulcahy ` Kirk Reiser @ ` Michael Whapples ` Jonathan Duddington 3 siblings, 0 replies; 17+ messages in thread From: Michael Whapples @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. I would have thought it should be possible, but some tweaking may be needed to get it working well. When you consider things such as mbrola has been ported to symbian series60, and flite has been run on an ipod (I can't remember the specific link, but it was part of the ipodlinux project). Also it won't be the first phone to run linux, as I remember, when looking how to connect my phone to my linux machine, I found some one who had tried to put linux on a nokia 3650 (or similar). Mobile phones are becoming so close to the specs of PDA's and such like, I am now just waiting for the day when so much time has been spent on the other features, that manufacturers forget to put the phone functions in. From Michael Whapples Gregory Nowak writes: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Ok, that takes care of the CPU requirements, now what about the amount > of RAM required, as it relates again to the resources available in a > cell phone? > > Greg > > > On Wed, Oct 04, 2006 at 11:23:10PM +0100, Jonathan Duddington wrote: >> It shouldn't be a problem. I'm typing this email on a 200MHz ARM >> processor, with eSpeak echoing words as I type. >> >> I have measured eSpeak taking 51 sec to process 6 min 3 sec of speech >> output while processing text to produce a WAV file. That's about 14% >> processor occupancy. >> >> I originally wrote it to run on a 12MHz ARM processor! >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Speakup mailing list >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > - -- > web site: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org > gpg public key: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org/pubkey.asc > skype: gregn1 > (authorization required, add me to your contacts list first) > > - -- > Free domains: http://www.eu.org/ or mail dns-manager@EU.org > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQFFJES77s9z/XlyUyARAgyAAKC4j8ncBM98jByMtN0txg8F3alyowCgiDGm > fMH/gxYg/8s2gQ5je3E4C3I= > =PnXx > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: A version of Speakup... for your cell phone? ` Gregory Nowak ` (2 preceding siblings ...) ` Michael Whapples @ ` Jonathan Duddington ` Gregory Nowak 3 siblings, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread From: Jonathan Duddington @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. In article <20061004233315.GA11387@localhost.localdomain>, Gregory Nowak <greg@romuald.net.eu.org> wrote: > Ok, that takes care of the CPU requirements, now what about the amount > of RAM required, as it relates again to the resources available in a > cell phone? I did a test on Linux, with the command: speak -w test.wav -f longTextFile This showed the speak process's memory usage as: VmSize: 3.4 MByte (total amount of virtual memory). VmRss: 1.5 MByte (total amount of physical memory). I'm not sure why it's using virtual memory, but these figures seem modest by today's standards. Using the portaudio interface increases the VmSize to 28 MByte. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: A version of Speakup... for your cell phone? ` Jonathan Duddington @ ` Gregory Nowak 0 siblings, 0 replies; 17+ messages in thread From: Gregory Nowak @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 My main concern was not espeak, since I know that has a small footprint, another thing that makes it a great software synth. I was thinking more in terms of the RAM used by speech-dispatcher/speechd-up, and festival for example, (which someone, somewhere might want to use instead of espeak for some weird reason). While by themselves speech-dispatcher and speechd-up might not seem like much, if you put that concern in the context of all the other applications that people run today on their PDA cell phones, every single k-byte counts. As I've stated in my previous post though, if you eliminate speech-dispatcher/speechd-up, and use something like espeak, it does seem doable. Greg On Thu, Oct 05, 2006 at 02:06:25AM +0100, Jonathan Duddington wrote: > I did a test on Linux, with the command: > speak -w test.wav -f longTextFile > > This showed the speak process's memory usage as: > VmSize: 3.4 MByte (total amount of virtual memory). > VmRss: 1.5 MByte (total amount of physical memory). > > I'm not sure why it's using virtual memory, but these figures seem > modest by today's standards. > > Using the portaudio interface increases the VmSize to 28 MByte. > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup - -- web site: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org gpg public key: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org/pubkey.asc skype: gregn1 (authorization required, add me to your contacts list first) - -- Free domains: http://www.eu.org/ or mail dns-manager@EU.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFFJFzb7s9z/XlyUyARAk6uAKCgCM7LlmlZ8RHZEdw/ZvlT4+TTXACeL/wl EQ2mVsgW2wYAMjVvCUndcbg= =kci3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: A version of Speakup... for your cell phone? ` Jonathan Duddington ` Gregory Nowak @ ` Luke Davis ` Jonathan Duddington 1 sibling, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread From: Luke Davis @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. On Wed, 4 Oct 2006, Jonathan Duddington wrote: > It shouldn't be a problem. I'm typing this email on a 200MHz ARM > processor, with eSpeak echoing words as I type. What device is it that you are using, if I may inquire? ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: A version of Speakup... for your cell phone? ` Luke Davis @ ` Jonathan Duddington 0 siblings, 0 replies; 17+ messages in thread From: Jonathan Duddington @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. In article <Pine.BSF.4.64.0610042338260.19876@freire2.furyyjbeyq.arg>, Luke Davis <ldavis@shellworld.net> wrote: > On Wed, 4 Oct 2006, Jonathan Duddington wrote: > > It shouldn't be a problem. I'm typing this email on a 200MHz ARM > > processor, with eSpeak echoing words as I type. > What device is it that you are using, if I may inquire? It's not a portable device, it's an old desktop computer called "Risc PC", see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riscpc I use it because of an excellent email program (although I'm probably biased about that :-) One useful feature is that when speaking emails and newsgroups messages it speaks different levels of quoting (from previous messages) with different voices. Do any Linux email clients do this? ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: A version of Speakup... for your cell phone? A version of Speakup... for your cell phone? James Homuth ` Gregory Nowak @ ` ace ` Gregory Nowak ` (2 more replies) 1 sibling, 3 replies; 17+ messages in thread From: ace @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Not to get off on a cellphone rant or anything but, first, this won't be the first Linux phone. I know for sure that the Owasys 22C runs Linux. Secondly, just to voice an opinion: Why isn't anyone developing accessible CDMA phones? Where I live, the GSM signal sucks and I am only able to use Verizon with great signal. James Homuth wrote: > Could happen, if you've got about $600, presumeably US, to spare. > Apparently, the first Linux cell phone will be available in the first > few months of 2007, released by D-Link. It'll be a GSM capable phone, > with all the features you'd expect, and will hopefully work with your > current GSM provider. Information from article at > http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/10/04/0142257&from=rss > > James > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > __________ NOD32 1.1790 (20061004) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > > -- ace Network Administrator of irc.talkingirc.net http://www.talkingirc.net ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: A version of Speakup... for your cell phone? ` ace @ ` Gregory Nowak ` Sean McMahon ` Luke Davis 2 siblings, 0 replies; 17+ messages in thread From: Gregory Nowak @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, Oct 04, 2006 at 05:04:14PM -0400, ace wrote: > Secondly, just to voice an opinion: Why isn't anyone developing > accessible CDMA phones? I stand to be corrected by someone much more knowledgeable on the subject then myself. However, from what I understand, CDMA is closed, and the providers don't want to share the specs with anyone else. GSM is open, and the advantage is from what I understand, that unlike with CDMA, you can simply slap a SIM card into any GSM phone, and away you go. Like I said, I'm by no means knowledgeable on the subject, so take the above with a grain of salt, for now at least, until someone more qualified then I who can explain it better decides to reply. Greg - -- web site: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org gpg public key: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org/pubkey.asc skype: gregn1 (authorization required, add me to your contacts list first) - -- Free domains: http://www.eu.org/ or mail dns-manager@EU.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFFJCuf7s9z/XlyUyARAmeWAJ40v32QrVaijshPtmYJmF/m7bKuMwCfalu8 Ate71Urv8YDCqcT50pp0If0= =9w8m -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: A version of Speakup... for your cell phone? ` ace ` Gregory Nowak @ ` Sean McMahon ` Luke Davis 2 siblings, 0 replies; 17+ messages in thread From: Sean McMahon @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. I think there are several law suits on the issue of accessible cellphones which relate to cdma-based networks. the short answer is that gsm is what 82% of the global mobile phone market uses according to gsmworld.com. I believe it is an open standard and I know that some of the operating systems used on these phones like simbian and linux are open. This is america, we defy the world's standards from digital radio and TV. to measurement. ----- Original Message ----- From: "ace" <ace@talkingirc.net> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 2:04 PM Subject: Re: A version of Speakup... for your cell phone? > Not to get off on a cellphone rant or anything but, first, this won't be > the first Linux phone. I know for sure that the Owasys 22C runs Linux. > Secondly, just to voice an opinion: Why isn't anyone developing > accessible CDMA phones? Where I live, the GSM signal sucks and I am > only able to use Verizon with great signal. > > James Homuth wrote: >> Could happen, if you've got about $600, presumeably US, to spare. >> Apparently, the first Linux cell phone will be available in the first >> few months of 2007, released by D-Link. It'll be a GSM capable phone, >> with all the features you'd expect, and will hopefully work with your >> current GSM provider. Information from article at >> http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/10/04/0142257&from=rss >> >> James >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Speakup mailing list >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >> >> >> __________ NOD32 1.1790 (20061004) Information __________ >> >> This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >> http://www.eset.com >> >> >> > > > -- > ace > Network Administrator of > irc.talkingirc.net > http://www.talkingirc.net > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: A version of Speakup... for your cell phone? ` ace ` Gregory Nowak ` Sean McMahon @ ` Luke Davis 2 siblings, 0 replies; 17+ messages in thread From: Luke Davis @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Read the comments in the thread referenced in the quote (http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/10/04/0142257&from=rss). That can give you a pretty good idea if true: the PDA style cellular equipment is all using GSM, or at least is not using CDMA. Why develop speech software for a phone that can do little more than be a phone? Now, you and I might have a retort to that, but I suspect that this very well might be the industry mindset. Luke On Wed, 4 Oct 2006, ace wrote: > Not to get off on a cellphone rant or anything but, first, this won't be > the first Linux phone. I know for sure that the Owasys 22C runs Linux. > Secondly, just to voice an opinion: Why isn't anyone developing > accessible CDMA phones? Where I live, the GSM signal sucks and I am > only able to use Verizon with great signal. > > James Homuth wrote: > > Could happen, if you've got about $600, presumeably US, to spare. > > Apparently, the first Linux cell phone will be available in the first > > few months of 2007, released by D-Link. It'll be a GSM capable phone, > > with all the features you'd expect, and will hopefully work with your > > current GSM provider. Information from article at > > http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/10/04/0142257&from=rss > > > > James > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > __________ NOD32 1.1790 (20061004) Information __________ > > > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > > > > > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
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