Finally installed Wine but there are problems

Finally installed Wine but there are problems

[Christian]

Hello all,
Now I have installed Wine but there are problems when it comes to configuration. winecfg requires X. I tried running it with Gnopernicus but Gnopernicus goes completely silent.
I downloaded Window-Eyes 5.5 Demo and ran it. I have to run it from an X console. I simply type:
wine we55demo.exe
After that I get three click sounds and Window-Eyes comes up with a prerecorded message that before the Window-Eyes can continue, your system needs to be restarted. Well, I have run this two times but still the same thing.
Suppose I'll need someone sighted to set the configurations in Wine then.
Many thanks,
Christian

Re: Finally installed Wine but there are problems

[Gregory Nowak]

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On Sun, Jul 09, 2006 at 04:33:31PM +0200, Christian wrote:
> Hello all,
> Now I have installed Wine but there are problems when it comes to configuration. winecfg requires X. I tried running it with Gnopernicus but Gnopernicus goes completely silent.

It sounds like winecfg, and maybe wine itself, isn't a gnome
compatible program then. Back when I tried wine, there was a shell
script that was text-based, and it let you do the configuration in the
text console, so that after it finished, you could simply just run wine.

> I downloaded Window-Eyes 5.5 Demo and ran it. I have to run it from an X console. I simply type:
> wine we55demo.exe
> After that I get three click sounds and Window-Eyes comes up with a prerecorded message that before the Window-Eyes can continue, your system needs to be restarted. Well, I have run this two times but still the same thing.

Hmm, interesting. It doesn't generate any click sounds when natively
running under windows, at least it hasn't for me. As for the restart
message, it sounds like wine is configured to emulate a windows
2k/xp/2k3 system, in which case, wineyes is installing the wineyes
video driver, and since you're being prompted to restart over, and over
again, it's apparently not succeeding in getting itself chained
into the wine video setup, which is very well within the realm of
possibilities. You might just have to settle for running wine as an
emulated win95/98/me setup.

Greg


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Re[2]: Finally installed Wine but there are problems

[Christian]

Hello,
Yes, it is set to emulate Win2000. I read in the user documentation that the config file was disabled, instead they use the win registry from what they call it.
One thing I also did was copying the entire c:\wineyes folder from my Windows partition into my Linux system.
After that I tried running
wine wineyes.exe but it didn't work either.
Will try setting it to Win95/98 but with some help then.
The other none free alternative is Vmware Workstation where you install Windows onto a virtual machine, but programs might become slow so I am not considering that. Also don't think it is accessible either.
All the best,
Christian


On 2006-07-09 at 14:01 Gregory Nowak wrote:

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>On Sun, Jul 09, 2006 at 04:33:31PM +0200, Christian wrote:
>> Hello all,
>> Now I have installed Wine but there are problems when it comes to
>configuration. winecfg requires X. I tried running it with Gnopernicus but
>Gnopernicus goes completely silent.
>
>It sounds like winecfg, and maybe wine itself, isn't a gnome
>compatible program then. Back when I tried wine, there was a shell
>script that was text-based, and it let you do the configuration in the
>text console, so that after it finished, you could simply just run wine.
>
>> I downloaded Window-Eyes 5.5 Demo and ran it. I have to run it from an X
>console. I simply type:
>> wine we55demo.exe
>> After that I get three click sounds and Window-Eyes comes up with a
>prerecorded message that before the Window-Eyes can continue, your system
>needs to be restarted. Well, I have run this two times but still the same
>thing.
>
>Hmm, interesting. It doesn't generate any click sounds when natively
>running under windows, at least it hasn't for me. As for the restart
>message, it sounds like wine is configured to emulate a windows
>2k/xp/2k3 system, in which case, wineyes is installing the wineyes
>video driver, and since you're being prompted to restart over, and over
>again, it's apparently not succeeding in getting itself chained
>into the wine video setup, which is very well within the realm of
>possibilities. You might just have to settle for running wine as an
>emulated win95/98/me setup.
>
>Greg
>
>
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Re: Finally installed Wine but there are problems

[Alex Snow]

you might also want to look at qemu.  It's a free alternative to 
vmware that is pretty accessible, and might give you better results 
then wine.  Qemu uses commandline options to run instead of a gui 
configuration like vmware does, so you could write a shell script to 
start it and launch that from inside an x session.
On Mon, Jul 10, 2006 
at 12:02:02AM +0200, Christian wrote:
> Hello,
> Yes, it is set to emulate Win2000. I read in the user documentation that the config file was disabled, instead they use the win registry from what they call it.
> One thing I also did was copying the entire c:\wineyes folder from my Windows partition into my Linux system.
> After that I tried running
> wine wineyes.exe but it didn't work either.
> Will try setting it to Win95/98 but with some help then.
> The other none free alternative is Vmware Workstation where you install Windows onto a virtual machine, but programs might become slow so I am not considering that. Also don't think it is accessible either.
> All the best,
> Christian
> 
> 
> On 2006-07-09 at 14:01 Gregory Nowak wrote:
> 
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> >On Sun, Jul 09, 2006 at 04:33:31PM +0200, Christian wrote:
> >> Hello all,
> >> Now I have installed Wine but there are problems when it comes to
> >configuration. winecfg requires X. I tried running it with Gnopernicus but
> >Gnopernicus goes completely silent.
> >
> >It sounds like winecfg, and maybe wine itself, isn't a gnome
> >compatible program then. Back when I tried wine, there was a shell
> >script that was text-based, and it let you do the configuration in the
> >text console, so that after it finished, you could simply just run wine.
> >
> >> I downloaded Window-Eyes 5.5 Demo and ran it. I have to run it from an X
> >console. I simply type:
> >> wine we55demo.exe
> >> After that I get three click sounds and Window-Eyes comes up with a
> >prerecorded message that before the Window-Eyes can continue, your system
> >needs to be restarted. Well, I have run this two times but still the same
> >thing.
> >
> >Hmm, interesting. It doesn't generate any click sounds when natively
> >running under windows, at least it hasn't for me. As for the restart
> >message, it sounds like wine is configured to emulate a windows
> >2k/xp/2k3 system, in which case, wineyes is installing the wineyes
> >video driver, and since you're being prompted to restart over, and over
> >again, it's apparently not succeeding in getting itself chained
> >into the wine video setup, which is very well within the realm of
> >possibilities. You might just have to settle for running wine as an
> >emulated win95/98/me setup.
> >
> >Greg
> >
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Re[2]: Finally installed Wine but there are problems

[Christian]

Many thanks for the tip, will have a look!
Have you tried running a Windows screen reader under it?
Do you install Windows?
Many thanks,
Christian


On 2006-07-09 at 18:49 Alex Snow wrote:

>you might also want to look at qemu.  It's a free alternative to
>vmware that is pretty accessible, and might give you better results
>then wine.  Qemu uses commandline options to run instead of a gui
>configuration like vmware does, so you could write a shell script to
>start it and launch that from inside an x session.
>On Mon, Jul 10, 2006
>at 12:02:02AM +0200, Christian wrote:
>> Hello,
>> Yes, it is set to emulate Win2000. I read in the user documentation that
>the config file was disabled, instead they use the win registry from what
>they call it.
>> One thing I also did was copying the entire c:\wineyes folder from my
>Windows partition into my Linux system.
>> After that I tried running
>> wine wineyes.exe but it didn't work either.
>> Will try setting it to Win95/98 but with some help then.
>> The other none free alternative is Vmware Workstation where you install
>Windows onto a virtual machine, but programs might become slow so I am not
>considering that. Also don't think it is accessible either.
>> All the best,
>> Christian
>>
>>
>> On 2006-07-09 at 14:01 Gregory Nowak wrote:
>>
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>> >On Sun, Jul 09, 2006 at 04:33:31PM +0200, Christian wrote:
>> >> Hello all,
>> >> Now I have installed Wine but there are problems when it comes to
>> >configuration. winecfg requires X. I tried running it with Gnopernicus
>but
>> >Gnopernicus goes completely silent.
>> >
>> >It sounds like winecfg, and maybe wine itself, isn't a gnome
>> >compatible program then. Back when I tried wine, there was a shell
>> >script that was text-based, and it let you do the configuration in the
>> >text console, so that after it finished, you could simply just run wine.
>> >
>> >> I downloaded Window-Eyes 5.5 Demo and ran it. I have to run it from
>an X
>> >console. I simply type:
>> >> wine we55demo.exe
>> >> After that I get three click sounds and Window-Eyes comes up with a
>> >prerecorded message that before the Window-Eyes can continue, your
>system
>> >needs to be restarted. Well, I have run this two times but still the
>same
>> >thing.
>> >
>> >Hmm, interesting. It doesn't generate any click sounds when natively
>> >running under windows, at least it hasn't for me. As for the restart
>> >message, it sounds like wine is configured to emulate a windows
>> >2k/xp/2k3 system, in which case, wineyes is installing the wineyes
>> >video driver, and since you're being prompted to restart over, and over
>> >again, it's apparently not succeeding in getting itself chained
>> >into the wine video setup, which is very well within the realm of
>> >possibilities. You might just have to settle for running wine as an
>> >emulated win95/98/me setup.
>> >
>> >Greg
>> >
>> >
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Re: Finally installed Wine but there are problems

[Gregory Nowak]

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On Mon, Jul 10, 2006 at 12:02:02AM +0200, Christian wrote:
> One thing I also did was copying the entire c:\wineyes folder from my Windows partition into my Linux system.
> After that I tried running
> wine wineyes.exe but it didn't work either.

If your native windows is 2k/xp/2k3, then you'd be running into the
same problem as with the demo install, so that's not surprising.

Greg



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Re: Finally installed Wine but there are problems

[Gregory Nowak]

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I've briefly looked at the qemu project before, but didn't actually
have the time to play with it. From what it looked like, it seems that
it's also possible to run qemu from the text console, even without the
xv hack in /etc/inittab I mentioned before.

Also, how responsive is qemu? I've run bochs before, and found it was
so slow as to be impractical to use in most scenarios, and this is on
a 1.1GHz celeron system.

Greg


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> you might also want to look at qemu.  It's a free alternative to 
> vmware that is pretty accessible, and might give you better results 
> then wine.  Qemu uses commandline options to run instead of a gui 
> configuration like vmware does, so you could write a shell script to 
> start it and launch that from inside an x session.

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Re: Finally installed Wine but there are problems

[Gregory Nowak]

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On Mon, Jul 10, 2006 at 01:16:45AM +0200, Christian wrote:
> Do you install Windows?

Yes, you do. Qemu is a virtual machine, so it does need to have an
actual OS installed on the virtual hard drive in order to use it,
unless you want to use it to boot from virtual (or real) floppies and
cd-roms.

Greg



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Re: Finally installed Wine but there are problems

[Igor Gueths]

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Hi Greg. What Xv hack you mentioned earlier? I looked through this 
entire thread and didn't see anything. Also, from my experience in 
playing with it, one is limited to text coming out the virtual serial 
port when running Qemu from a text console. I ran into this problem when 
I attempted running a BSD image, only to find out that its console 
was not set to the virtual port. So unless one can get around using SDL 
as a display and use Ncurses/similar, I'd say I'm out of luck for a 
while.
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> I've briefly looked at the qemu project before, but didn't actually
> have the time to play with it. From what it looked like, it seems that
> it's also possible to run qemu from the text console, even without the
> xv hack in /etc/inittab I mentioned before.
> 
> Also, how responsive is qemu? I've run bochs before, and found it was
> so slow as to be impractical to use in most scenarios, and this is on
> a 1.1GHz celeron system.
> 
> Greg
> 
> 
> On Sun, Jul 09, 2006 at 06:49:13PM -0400, Alex Snow wrote:
> > you might also want to look at qemu.  It's a free alternative to 
> > vmware that is pretty accessible, and might give you better results 
> > then wine.  Qemu uses commandline options to run instead of a gui 
> > configuration like vmware does, so you could write a shell script to 
> > start it and launch that from inside an x session.
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Re: Finally installed Wine but there are problems

[Alex Snow]

Qemu is a lot more responsive then bochs.  The few times I've tried to 
run anything under bochs (tried the dos and linux images from the 
website) It was too slow to even think about using, and that was on a 
1ghz p3.  Qemu seems to be at least useable.
On Sun, Jul 09, 2006 at 
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> I've briefly looked at the qemu project before, but didn't actually
> have the time to play with it. From what it looked like, it seems that
> it's also possible to run qemu from the text console, even without the
> xv hack in /etc/inittab I mentioned before.
> 
> Also, how responsive is qemu? I've run bochs before, and found it was
> so slow as to be impractical to use in most scenarios, and this is on
> a 1.1GHz celeron system.
> 
> Greg
> 
> 
> On Sun, Jul 09, 2006 at 06:49:13PM -0400, Alex Snow wrote:
> > you might also want to look at qemu.  It's a free alternative to 
> > vmware that is pretty accessible, and might give you better results 
> > then wine.  Qemu uses commandline options to run instead of a gui 
> > configuration like vmware does, so you could write a shell script to 
> > start it and launch that from inside an x session.
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Re: Finally installed Wine but there are problems

[Alex Snow]

There is no way to use a virtual machine program with a screenreader.  
You have to install the OS either through serial console/speakup in 
the case of *nix or an unattend file in the case of windows.  The 
closest thing to an accessible vm was bochs with the curses output 
module, but it's too slow to be used.
On Sun, Jul 09, 2006 at 10:19:15PM 
-0400, Igor Gueths wrote:
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> Hi Greg. What Xv hack you mentioned earlier? I looked through this 
> entire thread and didn't see anything. Also, from my experience in 
> playing with it, one is limited to text coming out the virtual serial 
> port when running Qemu from a text console. I ran into this problem when 
> I attempted running a BSD image, only to find out that its console 
> was not set to the virtual port. So unless one can get around using SDL 
> as a display and use Ncurses/similar, I'd say I'm out of luck for a 
> while.
> On Sun, Jul 09, 2006 at 06:57:09PM -0700, Gregory Nowak wrote:
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> > I've briefly looked at the qemu project before, but didn't actually
> > have the time to play with it. From what it looked like, it seems that
> > it's also possible to run qemu from the text console, even without the
> > xv hack in /etc/inittab I mentioned before.
> > 
> > Also, how responsive is qemu? I've run bochs before, and found it was
> > so slow as to be impractical to use in most scenarios, and this is on
> > a 1.1GHz celeron system.
> > 
> > Greg
> > 
> > 
> > On Sun, Jul 09, 2006 at 06:49:13PM -0400, Alex Snow wrote:
> > > you might also want to look at qemu.  It's a free alternative to 
> > > vmware that is pretty accessible, and might give you better results 
> > > then wine.  Qemu uses commandline options to run instead of a gui 
> > > configuration like vmware does, so you could write a shell script to 
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Re: Finally installed Wine but there are problems

[Gregory Nowak]

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The xv hack was mentioned in a different thread on the same subject,
started yesterday. It's a method posted by Janina a while back, that
describes how to run xv in /etc/inittab, so that you would have a
"virtual" x display for programs requiring x to use. I say "virtual",
because you never see the display on-screen, it's just there for
programs to attach to.

Greg


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> Hi Greg. What Xv hack you mentioned earlier? I looked through this 
> entire thread and didn't see anything. Also, from my experience in 
> playing with it, one is limited to text coming out the virtual serial 
> port when running Qemu from a text console. I ran into this problem when 
> I attempted running a BSD image, only to find out that its console 
> was not set to the virtual port. So unless one can get around using SDL 
> as a display and use Ncurses/similar, I'd say I'm out of luck for a 
> while.

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Re: Finally installed Wine but there are problems

[Gregory Nowak]

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So, if you installed windows using an unattended install, would you
then be able to run a screen reader in the installed windows on the
vm, and have it output speech to the sound card, and interact with the
screen reader, windows, and all other aps  via the keyboard, like you would on a native
windows install, or is the serial console a problem after the
installation as well? Just wondering anyway, what would happen if
windows tried to display the gui via the serial port console, and you
had minicom running at the other end (grin)?

Greg


On Sun, Jul 09, 2006 at 10:33:22PM -0400, Alex Snow wrote:
> There is no way to use a virtual machine program with a screenreader.  
> You have to install the OS either through serial console/speakup in 
> the case of *nix or an unattend file in the case of windows.  The 
> closest thing to an accessible vm was bochs with the curses output 
> module, but it's too slow to be used.

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Re: Finally installed Wine but there are problems

[Gregory Nowak]

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Interesting. I've found that DOS and linux, (at least when running in
the text console, without x), was quite useable under
bochs, and I might still even be using it for that, if dosemu, and
user-mode-linux weren't available. The time that bochs really dragged
was when I put win95 on it, along with wineyes, to see how it did. The
install of win95 was possible to get through with a great deal of
patience and time, but once it played the M$ sound, until the time it
was ready to use, was about 15 minutes, and I'm not exaggerating that
either, I timed it. Even when it was ready, the speech from wineyes
coming through the sound card was so choppy and delayed, (even after
playing with the bochs sound settings), that you couldn't tell what it
was saying, unless you knew by heart what it was going to say when you
did something. I also found that the alt, tab, and windows keys
weren't useable, making things even more difficult.

Greg


On Sun, Jul 09, 2006 at 10:31:27PM -0400, Alex Snow wrote:
> Qemu is a lot more responsive then bochs.  The few times I've tried to 
> run anything under bochs (tried the dos and linux images from the 
> website) It was too slow to even think about using, and that was on a 
> 1ghz p3.  Qemu seems to be at least useable.

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Re: Finally installed Wine but there are problems

[Alex Snow]

If all the hardware the virtual machine emulates is supported by 
windows without installing aditional drivers (it usually is) then once 
the unattended install finishes you can install your screenreader and 
have it run normally.  The only problem I've ran into (this was on 
vmware running windows xp under windows 2000) was that jaws 
authorization disks won't install.  probably a problem with the way 
vmware emulates/gives access to the floppy drive.
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Sun, Jul 09, 2006 at 08:08:21PM -0700, Gregory Nowak wrote:
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> So, if you installed windows using an unattended install, would you
> then be able to run a screen reader in the installed windows on the
> vm, and have it output speech to the sound card, and interact with the
> screen reader, windows, and all other aps  via the keyboard, like you would on a native
> windows install, or is the serial console a problem after the
> installation as well? Just wondering anyway, what would happen if
> windows tried to display the gui via the serial port console, and you
> had minicom running at the other end (grin)?
> 
> Greg
> 
> 
> On Sun, Jul 09, 2006 at 10:33:22PM -0400, Alex Snow wrote:
> > There is no way to use a virtual machine program with a screenreader.  
> > You have to install the OS either through serial console/speakup in 
> > the case of *nix or an unattend file in the case of windows.  The 
> > closest thing to an accessible vm was bochs with the curses output 
> > module, but it's too slow to be used.
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Re: Finally installed Wine but there are problems

[Alex Snow]

I ran dos under bochs once to see if I could use an old dos image util 
to write some xenix disk images to floppy, to later install under 
bochs using the curses display.  Other then the fact that the image 
program had troulble writing to the floppy (understandable), bochs was 
so slow that when I would push enter at the dos prompt, it'd take 
around 5 seconds or more to give me another prompt.  I have never seen 
dos run that slow, even on old 386 machines.
On Sun, Jul 09, 2006 at 
08:20:40PM -0700, Gregory Nowak wrote:
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> Interesting. I've found that DOS and linux, (at least when running in
> the text console, without x), was quite useable under
> bochs, and I might still even be using it for that, if dosemu, and
> user-mode-linux weren't available. The time that bochs really dragged
> was when I put win95 on it, along with wineyes, to see how it did. The
> install of win95 was possible to get through with a great deal of
> patience and time, but once it played the M$ sound, until the time it
> was ready to use, was about 15 minutes, and I'm not exaggerating that
> either, I timed it. Even when it was ready, the speech from wineyes
> coming through the sound card was so choppy and delayed, (even after
> playing with the bochs sound settings), that you couldn't tell what it
> was saying, unless you knew by heart what it was going to say when you
> did something. I also found that the alt, tab, and windows keys
> weren't useable, making things even more difficult.
> 
> Greg
> 
> 
> On Sun, Jul 09, 2006 at 10:31:27PM -0400, Alex Snow wrote:
> > Qemu is a lot more responsive then bochs.  The few times I've tried to 
> > run anything under bochs (tried the dos and linux images from the 
> > website) It was too slow to even think about using, and that was on a 
> > 1ghz p3.  Qemu seems to be at least useable.
> 
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Re: Finally installed Wine but there are problems

[Igor Gueths]

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Hi Greg. So is that there for programs that require X for some 
particular function, but the box said program is running on does not 
have X installed?
On Sun, Jul 09, 2006 at 07:59:04PM -0700, Gregory Nowak wrote:
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> The xv hack was mentioned in a different thread on the same subject,
> started yesterday. It's a method posted by Janina a while back, that
> describes how to run xv in /etc/inittab, so that you would have a
> "virtual" x display for programs requiring x to use. I say "virtual",
> because you never see the display on-screen, it's just there for
> programs to attach to.
> 
> Greg
> 
> 
> On Sun, Jul 09, 2006 at 10:19:15PM -0400, Igor Gueths wrote:
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> > Hi Greg. What Xv hack you mentioned earlier? I looked through this 
> > entire thread and didn't see anything. Also, from my experience in 
> > playing with it, one is limited to text coming out the virtual serial 
> > port when running Qemu from a text console. I ran into this problem when 
> > I attempted running a BSD image, only to find out that its console 
> > was not set to the virtual port. So unless one can get around using SDL 
> > as a display and use Ncurses/similar, I'd say I'm out of luck for a 
> > while.
> 
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Re: Finally installed Wine but there are problems

[Gregory Nowak]

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No, the box that said program is running on needs to have x
installed. The point of the xv hack is to be able to run an x program
from the text console, while still providing it with a display to
connect to. Let me see if I still have Janina's post on the topic here
somewhere, and if I do, instead of reposting it, I'll locate it in the
archives, and provide the URL to that post.

Greg


On Mon, Jul 10, 2006 at 09:23:35PM -0400, Igor Gueths wrote:
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> Hi Greg. So is that there for programs that require X for some 
> particular function, but the box said program is running on does not 
> have X installed?

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Re: Finally installed Wine but there are problems

[Gregory Nowak]

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Ok, believe it or not, I still have Janina's post on this, looks like
I too was smart enough to keep it in a file all these years (grin). Going by
the date and thread in that post, it was a snap locating it in the
archives. So, the URL describing what I've been calling the xv hack,
though calling it the xvfb hack would have been more appropriate is:

http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/pipermail/speakup/2002-March/011581.html

Note that I never used the first method described here, only the
second method, but I don't see why the first method shouldn't work
also.

Greg


On Mon, Jul 10, 2006 at 07:26:40PM -0700, Gregory Nowak wrote:
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> No, the box that said program is running on needs to have x
> installed. The point of the xv hack is to be able to run an x program
> from the text console, while still providing it with a display to
> connect to. Let me see if I still have Janina's post on the topic here
> somewhere, and if I do, instead of reposting it, I'll locate it in the
> archives, and provide the URL to that post.
> 
> Greg
> 
> 



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Re[2]: Finally installed Wine but there are problems

[Christian]

Hello Greg,
Many thanks, will give it a try!
But this will not allow me to for instance boot a DOS floppy under Qemu and read it in a text console?
Many thanks,
Christian


On 2006-07-10 at 19:47 Gregory Nowak wrote:

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>Ok, believe it or not, I still have Janina's post on this, looks like
>I too was smart enough to keep it in a file all these years (grin). Going
>by
>the date and thread in that post, it was a snap locating it in the
>archives. So, the URL describing what I've been calling the xv hack,
>though calling it the xvfb hack would have been more appropriate is:
>
>http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/pipermail/speakup/2002-March/011581.html
>
>Note that I never used the first method described here, only the
>second method, but I don't see why the first method shouldn't work
>also.
>
>Greg
>
>
>On Mon, Jul 10, 2006 at 07:26:40PM -0700, Gregory Nowak wrote:
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>> No, the box that said program is running on needs to have x
>> installed. The point of the xv hack is to be able to run an x program
>> from the text console, while still providing it with a display to
>> connect to. Let me see if I still have Janina's post on the topic here
>> somewhere, and if I do, instead of reposting it, I'll locate it in the
>> archives, and provide the URL to that post.
>>
>> Greg
>>
>>
>
>
>
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Re: Finally installed Wine but there are problems

[Gregory Nowak]

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Hi Christian,

I'm not sure, I guess the only way to find out would be to try it. If
you're interested in running dos in a virtual machine of its own
however, check out dosemu,
<http://sourceforge.net/projects/dosemu/>. The good news here is that
you don't need a dos screen reader, since speakup does a beautiful job
here.

Greg


On Tue, Jul 11, 2006 at 02:27:57PM +0200, Christian wrote:
> Hello Greg,
> Many thanks, will give it a try!
> But this will not allow me to for instance boot a DOS floppy under Qemu and read it in a text console?
> Many thanks,
> Christian
> 
> 

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Re: Finally installed Wine but there are problems

[Hart Larry]

Well, Greg, as for Dosemu, I notice the same exact behavior in speakup as I do 
when running a dos prompt in JFW.  It seems to read most of the screen over 
again, not just the newest action or prompt.  Example would be in Jaws, if I am 
in an ftp session--and begin a download, it would read earlier commands such as 
binary and bell commands.  I honestly don't reember which command I tried while 
in dosemu with speakup, but I think it was dir /w or slash b.
Hart

Re[2]: Finally installed Wine but there are problems

[Christian]

Hello Greg,
Many thanks for the link!
OK, will try the other method and see if it works!
When I run Qemu I used the -nographics option. When the Dos floppy had booted I entered dir but the diskette didn't start spinning at all.
Also, I tried installing the Qemu Accelerator, but it didn't work.
Many thanks,
Christian


On 2006-07-11 at 08:01 Gregory Nowak wrote:

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>I'm not sure, I guess the only way to find out would be to try it. If
>you're interested in running dos in a virtual machine of its own
>however, check out dosemu,
><http://sourceforge.net/projects/dosemu/>. The good news here is that
>you don't need a dos screen reader, since speakup does a beautiful job
>here.
>
>Greg
>
>
>On Tue, Jul 11, 2006 at 02:27:57PM +0200, Christian wrote:
>> Hello Greg,
>> Many thanks, will give it a try!
>> But this will not allow me to for instance boot a DOS floppy under Qemu
>and read it in a text console?
>> Many thanks,
>> Christian
>>
>>
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Re: Finally installed Wine but there are problems

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I can't comment on jfw, since I don't use it. However, I believe the
problem you describe happens when the screen is redrawn.

What I do is to use cls frequently when running dosemu under
speakup. Also, you can avoid hearing everything when the screen
refreshes by silencing speech, and using the review commands to read
the screen.

Greg


On Tue, Jul 11, 2006 at 08:35:14AM -0700, Hart Larry wrote:
> Well, Greg, as for Dosemu, I notice the same exact behavior in speakup as I do 
> when running a dos prompt in JFW.  It seems to read most of the screen over 
> again, not just the newest action or prompt.  Example would be in Jaws, if I am 
> in an ftp session--and begin a download, it would read earlier commands such as 
> binary and bell commands.  I honestly don't reember which command I tried while 
> in dosemu with speakup, but I think it was dir /w or slash b.
> Hart
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Re: Finally installed Wine but there are problems

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http://www.winehq.org/

You could have found this out for yourself of course. If you would
have taken the time to search for:

download+wine

on google, the first result would have been the wine binary downloads
page. Searching for:

wine

in the projects section of freshmeat.net, would have also gotten you
that answer right away.

Greg


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> Hello there:  I've been considering playing with wine, but can't find 
> the link I had for downloading it.  Can ya give me that please?  Thanks much...
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Re: Finally installed Wine but there are problems

[tony seth]

Hello there:  I've been considering playing with wine, but can't find 
the link I had for downloading it.  Can ya give me that please?  Thanks much...

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