* Finally installed Wine but there are problems @ Christian ` Gregory Nowak 0 siblings, 1 reply; 26+ messages in thread From: Christian @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup Hello all, Now I have installed Wine but there are problems when it comes to configuration. winecfg requires X. I tried running it with Gnopernicus but Gnopernicus goes completely silent. I downloaded Window-Eyes 5.5 Demo and ran it. I have to run it from an X console. I simply type: wine we55demo.exe After that I get three click sounds and Window-Eyes comes up with a prerecorded message that before the Window-Eyes can continue, your system needs to be restarted. Well, I have run this two times but still the same thing. Suppose I'll need someone sighted to set the configurations in Wine then. Many thanks, Christian ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 26+ messages in thread
* Re: Finally installed Wine but there are problems Finally installed Wine but there are problems Christian @ ` Gregory Nowak ` Re[2]: " Christian 0 siblings, 1 reply; 26+ messages in thread From: Gregory Nowak @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Sun, Jul 09, 2006 at 04:33:31PM +0200, Christian wrote: > Hello all, > Now I have installed Wine but there are problems when it comes to configuration. winecfg requires X. I tried running it with Gnopernicus but Gnopernicus goes completely silent. It sounds like winecfg, and maybe wine itself, isn't a gnome compatible program then. Back when I tried wine, there was a shell script that was text-based, and it let you do the configuration in the text console, so that after it finished, you could simply just run wine. > I downloaded Window-Eyes 5.5 Demo and ran it. I have to run it from an X console. I simply type: > wine we55demo.exe > After that I get three click sounds and Window-Eyes comes up with a prerecorded message that before the Window-Eyes can continue, your system needs to be restarted. Well, I have run this two times but still the same thing. Hmm, interesting. It doesn't generate any click sounds when natively running under windows, at least it hasn't for me. As for the restart message, it sounds like wine is configured to emulate a windows 2k/xp/2k3 system, in which case, wineyes is installing the wineyes video driver, and since you're being prompted to restart over, and over again, it's apparently not succeeding in getting itself chained into the wine video setup, which is very well within the realm of possibilities. You might just have to settle for running wine as an emulated win95/98/me setup. Greg - -- web site: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org gpg public key: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org/pubkey.asc skype: gregn1 (authorization required, add me to your contacts list first) - -- Free domains: http://www.eu.org/ or mail dns-manager@EU.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFEsW6U7s9z/XlyUyARAgT3AJ9xE3X1sH80ui7oOmd8OIrrJ9IxAACfSABx ZQIAV+PPRc1hpFHxkzwbvuY= =Yjor -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 26+ messages in thread
* Re[2]: Finally installed Wine but there are problems ` Gregory Nowak @ ` Christian ` Alex Snow ` Gregory Nowak 0 siblings, 2 replies; 26+ messages in thread From: Christian @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup Hello, Yes, it is set to emulate Win2000. I read in the user documentation that the config file was disabled, instead they use the win registry from what they call it. One thing I also did was copying the entire c:\wineyes folder from my Windows partition into my Linux system. After that I tried running wine wineyes.exe but it didn't work either. Will try setting it to Win95/98 but with some help then. The other none free alternative is Vmware Workstation where you install Windows onto a virtual machine, but programs might become slow so I am not considering that. Also don't think it is accessible either. All the best, Christian On 2006-07-09 at 14:01 Gregory Nowak wrote: >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >Hash: SHA1 > >On Sun, Jul 09, 2006 at 04:33:31PM +0200, Christian wrote: >> Hello all, >> Now I have installed Wine but there are problems when it comes to >configuration. winecfg requires X. I tried running it with Gnopernicus but >Gnopernicus goes completely silent. > >It sounds like winecfg, and maybe wine itself, isn't a gnome >compatible program then. Back when I tried wine, there was a shell >script that was text-based, and it let you do the configuration in the >text console, so that after it finished, you could simply just run wine. > >> I downloaded Window-Eyes 5.5 Demo and ran it. I have to run it from an X >console. I simply type: >> wine we55demo.exe >> After that I get three click sounds and Window-Eyes comes up with a >prerecorded message that before the Window-Eyes can continue, your system >needs to be restarted. Well, I have run this two times but still the same >thing. > >Hmm, interesting. It doesn't generate any click sounds when natively >running under windows, at least it hasn't for me. As for the restart >message, it sounds like wine is configured to emulate a windows >2k/xp/2k3 system, in which case, wineyes is installing the wineyes >video driver, and since you're being prompted to restart over, and over >again, it's apparently not succeeding in getting itself chained >into the wine video setup, which is very well within the realm of >possibilities. You might just have to settle for running wine as an >emulated win95/98/me setup. > >Greg > > >- -- >web site: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org >gpg public key: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org/pubkey.asc >skype: gregn1 >(authorization required, add me to your contacts list first) > >- -- >Free domains: http://www.eu.org/ or mail dns-manager@EU.org >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) > >iD8DBQFEsW6U7s9z/XlyUyARAgT3AJ9xE3X1sH80ui7oOmd8OIrrJ9IxAACfSABx >ZQIAV+PPRc1hpFHxkzwbvuY= >=Yjor >-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > >_______________________________________________ >Speakup mailing list >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 26+ messages in thread
* Re: Finally installed Wine but there are problems ` Re[2]: " Christian @ ` Alex Snow ` Re[2]: " Christian ` Gregory Nowak ` Gregory Nowak 1 sibling, 2 replies; 26+ messages in thread From: Alex Snow @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. you might also want to look at qemu. It's a free alternative to vmware that is pretty accessible, and might give you better results then wine. Qemu uses commandline options to run instead of a gui configuration like vmware does, so you could write a shell script to start it and launch that from inside an x session. On Mon, Jul 10, 2006 at 12:02:02AM +0200, Christian wrote: > Hello, > Yes, it is set to emulate Win2000. I read in the user documentation that the config file was disabled, instead they use the win registry from what they call it. > One thing I also did was copying the entire c:\wineyes folder from my Windows partition into my Linux system. > After that I tried running > wine wineyes.exe but it didn't work either. > Will try setting it to Win95/98 but with some help then. > The other none free alternative is Vmware Workstation where you install Windows onto a virtual machine, but programs might become slow so I am not considering that. Also don't think it is accessible either. > All the best, > Christian > > > On 2006-07-09 at 14:01 Gregory Nowak wrote: > > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > >Hash: SHA1 > > > >On Sun, Jul 09, 2006 at 04:33:31PM +0200, Christian wrote: > >> Hello all, > >> Now I have installed Wine but there are problems when it comes to > >configuration. winecfg requires X. I tried running it with Gnopernicus but > >Gnopernicus goes completely silent. > > > >It sounds like winecfg, and maybe wine itself, isn't a gnome > >compatible program then. Back when I tried wine, there was a shell > >script that was text-based, and it let you do the configuration in the > >text console, so that after it finished, you could simply just run wine. > > > >> I downloaded Window-Eyes 5.5 Demo and ran it. I have to run it from an X > >console. I simply type: > >> wine we55demo.exe > >> After that I get three click sounds and Window-Eyes comes up with a > >prerecorded message that before the Window-Eyes can continue, your system > >needs to be restarted. Well, I have run this two times but still the same > >thing. > > > >Hmm, interesting. It doesn't generate any click sounds when natively > >running under windows, at least it hasn't for me. As for the restart > >message, it sounds like wine is configured to emulate a windows > >2k/xp/2k3 system, in which case, wineyes is installing the wineyes > >video driver, and since you're being prompted to restart over, and over > >again, it's apparently not succeeding in getting itself chained > >into the wine video setup, which is very well within the realm of > >possibilities. You might just have to settle for running wine as an > >emulated win95/98/me setup. > > > >Greg > > > > > >- -- > >web site: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org > >gpg public key: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org/pubkey.asc > >skype: gregn1 > >(authorization required, add me to your contacts list first) > > > >- -- > >Free domains: http://www.eu.org/ or mail dns-manager@EU.org > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > >Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) > > > >iD8DBQFEsW6U7s9z/XlyUyARAgT3AJ9xE3X1sH80ui7oOmd8OIrrJ9IxAACfSABx > >ZQIAV+PPRc1hpFHxkzwbvuY= > >=Yjor > >-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Speakup mailing list > >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup -- Linux: because a PC is a terrible thing to waste -- ksh@cis.ufl.edu put this on Tshirts in '93 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 26+ messages in thread
* Re[2]: Finally installed Wine but there are problems ` Alex Snow @ ` Christian ` Gregory Nowak ` Gregory Nowak 1 sibling, 1 reply; 26+ messages in thread From: Christian @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup Many thanks for the tip, will have a look! Have you tried running a Windows screen reader under it? Do you install Windows? Many thanks, Christian On 2006-07-09 at 18:49 Alex Snow wrote: >you might also want to look at qemu. It's a free alternative to >vmware that is pretty accessible, and might give you better results >then wine. Qemu uses commandline options to run instead of a gui >configuration like vmware does, so you could write a shell script to >start it and launch that from inside an x session. >On Mon, Jul 10, 2006 >at 12:02:02AM +0200, Christian wrote: >> Hello, >> Yes, it is set to emulate Win2000. I read in the user documentation that >the config file was disabled, instead they use the win registry from what >they call it. >> One thing I also did was copying the entire c:\wineyes folder from my >Windows partition into my Linux system. >> After that I tried running >> wine wineyes.exe but it didn't work either. >> Will try setting it to Win95/98 but with some help then. >> The other none free alternative is Vmware Workstation where you install >Windows onto a virtual machine, but programs might become slow so I am not >considering that. Also don't think it is accessible either. >> All the best, >> Christian >> >> >> On 2006-07-09 at 14:01 Gregory Nowak wrote: >> >> >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> >Hash: SHA1 >> > >> >On Sun, Jul 09, 2006 at 04:33:31PM +0200, Christian wrote: >> >> Hello all, >> >> Now I have installed Wine but there are problems when it comes to >> >configuration. winecfg requires X. I tried running it with Gnopernicus >but >> >Gnopernicus goes completely silent. >> > >> >It sounds like winecfg, and maybe wine itself, isn't a gnome >> >compatible program then. Back when I tried wine, there was a shell >> >script that was text-based, and it let you do the configuration in the >> >text console, so that after it finished, you could simply just run wine. >> > >> >> I downloaded Window-Eyes 5.5 Demo and ran it. I have to run it from >an X >> >console. I simply type: >> >> wine we55demo.exe >> >> After that I get three click sounds and Window-Eyes comes up with a >> >prerecorded message that before the Window-Eyes can continue, your >system >> >needs to be restarted. Well, I have run this two times but still the >same >> >thing. >> > >> >Hmm, interesting. It doesn't generate any click sounds when natively >> >running under windows, at least it hasn't for me. As for the restart >> >message, it sounds like wine is configured to emulate a windows >> >2k/xp/2k3 system, in which case, wineyes is installing the wineyes >> >video driver, and since you're being prompted to restart over, and over >> >again, it's apparently not succeeding in getting itself chained >> >into the wine video setup, which is very well within the realm of >> >possibilities. You might just have to settle for running wine as an >> >emulated win95/98/me setup. >> > >> >Greg >> > >> > >> >- -- >> >web site: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org >> >gpg public key: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org/pubkey.asc >> >skype: gregn1 >> >(authorization required, add me to your contacts list first) >> > >> >- -- >> >Free domains: http://www.eu.org/ or mail dns-manager@EU.org >> >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >> >Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) >> > >> >iD8DBQFEsW6U7s9z/XlyUyARAgT3AJ9xE3X1sH80ui7oOmd8OIrrJ9IxAACfSABx >> >ZQIAV+PPRc1hpFHxkzwbvuY= >> >=Yjor >> >-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >> > >> >_______________________________________________ >> >Speakup mailing list >> >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >> >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Speakup mailing list >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > >-- >Linux: because a PC is a terrible thing to waste > -- ksh@cis.ufl.edu put this on Tshirts in '93 > >_______________________________________________ >Speakup mailing list >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 26+ messages in thread
* Re: Finally installed Wine but there are problems ` Re[2]: " Christian @ ` Gregory Nowak 0 siblings, 0 replies; 26+ messages in thread From: Gregory Nowak @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, Jul 10, 2006 at 01:16:45AM +0200, Christian wrote: > Do you install Windows? Yes, you do. Qemu is a virtual machine, so it does need to have an actual OS installed on the virtual hard drive in order to use it, unless you want to use it to boot from virtual (or real) floppies and cd-roms. Greg - -- web site: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org gpg public key: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org/pubkey.asc skype: gregn1 (authorization required, add me to your contacts list first) - -- Free domains: http://www.eu.org/ or mail dns-manager@EU.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFEsbSt7s9z/XlyUyARAp9VAKCa5XidlbLJMFk3NCzJdYWszmty7QCffsG+ QlpLRn/jon55Q5ail6hC8b0= =cji+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 26+ messages in thread
* Re: Finally installed Wine but there are problems ` Alex Snow ` Re[2]: " Christian @ ` Gregory Nowak ` Igor Gueths ` Alex Snow 1 sibling, 2 replies; 26+ messages in thread From: Gregory Nowak @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I've briefly looked at the qemu project before, but didn't actually have the time to play with it. From what it looked like, it seems that it's also possible to run qemu from the text console, even without the xv hack in /etc/inittab I mentioned before. Also, how responsive is qemu? I've run bochs before, and found it was so slow as to be impractical to use in most scenarios, and this is on a 1.1GHz celeron system. Greg On Sun, Jul 09, 2006 at 06:49:13PM -0400, Alex Snow wrote: > you might also want to look at qemu. It's a free alternative to > vmware that is pretty accessible, and might give you better results > then wine. Qemu uses commandline options to run instead of a gui > configuration like vmware does, so you could write a shell script to > start it and launch that from inside an x session. - -- web site: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org gpg public key: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org/pubkey.asc skype: gregn1 (authorization required, add me to your contacts list first) - -- Free domains: http://www.eu.org/ or mail dns-manager@EU.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFEsbP17s9z/XlyUyARAvRzAJ98rOAY3s/B31LYObpfm0G4jlkA7ACfcE6c xldcXq+BrtEsS+2dyuLeI1s= =6pZx -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 26+ messages in thread
* Re: Finally installed Wine but there are problems ` Gregory Nowak @ ` Igor Gueths ` Alex Snow ` Gregory Nowak ` Alex Snow 1 sibling, 2 replies; 26+ messages in thread From: Igor Gueths @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 Hi Greg. What Xv hack you mentioned earlier? I looked through this entire thread and didn't see anything. Also, from my experience in playing with it, one is limited to text coming out the virtual serial port when running Qemu from a text console. I ran into this problem when I attempted running a BSD image, only to find out that its console was not set to the virtual port. So unless one can get around using SDL as a display and use Ncurses/similar, I'd say I'm out of luck for a while. On Sun, Jul 09, 2006 at 06:57:09PM -0700, Gregory Nowak wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > I've briefly looked at the qemu project before, but didn't actually > have the time to play with it. From what it looked like, it seems that > it's also possible to run qemu from the text console, even without the > xv hack in /etc/inittab I mentioned before. > > Also, how responsive is qemu? I've run bochs before, and found it was > so slow as to be impractical to use in most scenarios, and this is on > a 1.1GHz celeron system. > > Greg > > > On Sun, Jul 09, 2006 at 06:49:13PM -0400, Alex Snow wrote: > > you might also want to look at qemu. It's a free alternative to > > vmware that is pretty accessible, and might give you better results > > then wine. Qemu uses commandline options to run instead of a gui > > configuration like vmware does, so you could write a shell script to > > start it and launch that from inside an x session. > > - -- > web site: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org > gpg public key: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org/pubkey.asc > skype: gregn1 > (authorization required, add me to your contacts list first) > > - -- > Free domains: http://www.eu.org/ or mail dns-manager@EU.org > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQFEsbP17s9z/XlyUyARAvRzAJ98rOAY3s/B31LYObpfm0G4jlkA7ACfcE6c > xldcXq+BrtEsS+2dyuLeI1s= > =6pZx > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup - -- For an IRC experience without all the clutter, check out BOFHNet at irc.bofhnet.us. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iQIVAwUBRLG5I6e2pgKIdGq4AQoKSxAAmLUHRxf0S1Zdf1JqMzQOLpSJeOpE250j lE1t250GWJXlsFL+75awZBJNalbijilWu38J1/gV0593uUIYumplG2TA+03vbEJh wdSxobuHQgCxccK6cfdbHQounAQY7ffNrbbhNQg+LoLQjnjtR+1RugckOsaslROZ mjvUD4rKSo+rHGNMWsjlus4roVubvb8CYKYH2D6A0Qd/bs/ajNjO34PfAv9oblrH iOpkeso7xwwTWY1nQGQ30ONj0ePwbDgH+Z5+rYHHXIH1sl5wtCadEXwB0rC2wer/ d4qy6vskw4SX5isyyR4HGLx8Mjrrr8M1AdaFRZPv7dvSW+DfGkUMh/DTh1/JF3IA wp2nGUpHPYCfXaSvy5qKaylzK6KaboxYyBSAT72GCWBiq5Af3/DkO3jY9DvCHf+s 7XFDckBRyjoiMUtUoq03JwiqaJQQ0NyYXCpY1bRO2iX0zS3s6I+pRUm7XRp9w9cS XjFKKY/G934NVjV4btI7bQdJN6LUBUK/aD2yy5WYn9UJRFbPsQ9ArKj5MYq4b6ie zNvBv0ZYHvdZBsN+SJvngbs0eM77oxL4azzLxWxsQpyKbEKCTLL6prQusKE6rTgL c2vUAGIQfatq+vRaPAMTAK53FuDXLAHede3h/2ht5jOfkh4+0nX1N+Mp+dLK4/hZ mlnjX2yHlv0= =qSUR -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 26+ messages in thread
* Re: Finally installed Wine but there are problems ` Igor Gueths @ ` Alex Snow ` Gregory Nowak ` Gregory Nowak 1 sibling, 1 reply; 26+ messages in thread From: Alex Snow @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. There is no way to use a virtual machine program with a screenreader. You have to install the OS either through serial console/speakup in the case of *nix or an unattend file in the case of windows. The closest thing to an accessible vm was bochs with the curses output module, but it's too slow to be used. On Sun, Jul 09, 2006 at 10:19:15PM -0400, Igor Gueths wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA512 > > Hi Greg. What Xv hack you mentioned earlier? I looked through this > entire thread and didn't see anything. Also, from my experience in > playing with it, one is limited to text coming out the virtual serial > port when running Qemu from a text console. I ran into this problem when > I attempted running a BSD image, only to find out that its console > was not set to the virtual port. So unless one can get around using SDL > as a display and use Ncurses/similar, I'd say I'm out of luck for a > while. > On Sun, Jul 09, 2006 at 06:57:09PM -0700, Gregory Nowak wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > I've briefly looked at the qemu project before, but didn't actually > > have the time to play with it. From what it looked like, it seems that > > it's also possible to run qemu from the text console, even without the > > xv hack in /etc/inittab I mentioned before. > > > > Also, how responsive is qemu? I've run bochs before, and found it was > > so slow as to be impractical to use in most scenarios, and this is on > > a 1.1GHz celeron system. > > > > Greg > > > > > > On Sun, Jul 09, 2006 at 06:49:13PM -0400, Alex Snow wrote: > > > you might also want to look at qemu. It's a free alternative to > > > vmware that is pretty accessible, and might give you better results > > > then wine. Qemu uses commandline options to run instead of a gui > > > configuration like vmware does, so you could write a shell script to > > > start it and launch that from inside an x session. > > > > - -- > > web site: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org > > gpg public key: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org/pubkey.asc > > skype: gregn1 > > (authorization required, add me to your contacts list first) > > > > - -- > > Free domains: http://www.eu.org/ or mail dns-manager@EU.org > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) > > > > iD8DBQFEsbP17s9z/XlyUyARAvRzAJ98rOAY3s/B31LYObpfm0G4jlkA7ACfcE6c > > xldcXq+BrtEsS+2dyuLeI1s= > > =6pZx > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > - -- > For an IRC experience without all the clutter, check out BOFHNet at irc.bofhnet.us. > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) > > iQIVAwUBRLG5I6e2pgKIdGq4AQoKSxAAmLUHRxf0S1Zdf1JqMzQOLpSJeOpE250j > lE1t250GWJXlsFL+75awZBJNalbijilWu38J1/gV0593uUIYumplG2TA+03vbEJh > wdSxobuHQgCxccK6cfdbHQounAQY7ffNrbbhNQg+LoLQjnjtR+1RugckOsaslROZ > mjvUD4rKSo+rHGNMWsjlus4roVubvb8CYKYH2D6A0Qd/bs/ajNjO34PfAv9oblrH > iOpkeso7xwwTWY1nQGQ30ONj0ePwbDgH+Z5+rYHHXIH1sl5wtCadEXwB0rC2wer/ > d4qy6vskw4SX5isyyR4HGLx8Mjrrr8M1AdaFRZPv7dvSW+DfGkUMh/DTh1/JF3IA > wp2nGUpHPYCfXaSvy5qKaylzK6KaboxYyBSAT72GCWBiq5Af3/DkO3jY9DvCHf+s > 7XFDckBRyjoiMUtUoq03JwiqaJQQ0NyYXCpY1bRO2iX0zS3s6I+pRUm7XRp9w9cS > XjFKKY/G934NVjV4btI7bQdJN6LUBUK/aD2yy5WYn9UJRFbPsQ9ArKj5MYq4b6ie > zNvBv0ZYHvdZBsN+SJvngbs0eM77oxL4azzLxWxsQpyKbEKCTLL6prQusKE6rTgL > c2vUAGIQfatq+vRaPAMTAK53FuDXLAHede3h/2ht5jOfkh4+0nX1N+Mp+dLK4/hZ > mlnjX2yHlv0= > =qSUR > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup -- Linux! Guerrilla UNIX Development Venimus, Vidimus, Dolavimus. -- Mark A. Horton KA4YBR, mah@ka4ybr.com ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 26+ messages in thread
* Re: Finally installed Wine but there are problems ` Alex Snow @ ` Gregory Nowak ` Alex Snow 0 siblings, 1 reply; 26+ messages in thread From: Gregory Nowak @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 So, if you installed windows using an unattended install, would you then be able to run a screen reader in the installed windows on the vm, and have it output speech to the sound card, and interact with the screen reader, windows, and all other aps via the keyboard, like you would on a native windows install, or is the serial console a problem after the installation as well? Just wondering anyway, what would happen if windows tried to display the gui via the serial port console, and you had minicom running at the other end (grin)? Greg On Sun, Jul 09, 2006 at 10:33:22PM -0400, Alex Snow wrote: > There is no way to use a virtual machine program with a screenreader. > You have to install the OS either through serial console/speakup in > the case of *nix or an unattend file in the case of windows. The > closest thing to an accessible vm was bochs with the curses output > module, but it's too slow to be used. - -- web site: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org gpg public key: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org/pubkey.asc skype: gregn1 (authorization required, add me to your contacts list first) - -- Free domains: http://www.eu.org/ or mail dns-manager@EU.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFEscSk7s9z/XlyUyARAqvxAJ47iFiVkIn7XKZwFx7LTlUm4KLEEgCgg3BG /i18qQMkdjU8BzayxYCWntM= =Q00J -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 26+ messages in thread
* Re: Finally installed Wine but there are problems ` Gregory Nowak @ ` Alex Snow 0 siblings, 0 replies; 26+ messages in thread From: Alex Snow @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. If all the hardware the virtual machine emulates is supported by windows without installing aditional drivers (it usually is) then once the unattended install finishes you can install your screenreader and have it run normally. The only problem I've ran into (this was on vmware running windows xp under windows 2000) was that jaws authorization disks won't install. probably a problem with the way vmware emulates/gives access to the floppy drive. On Sun, Jul 09, 2006 at 08:08:21PM -0700, Gregory Nowak wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > So, if you installed windows using an unattended install, would you > then be able to run a screen reader in the installed windows on the > vm, and have it output speech to the sound card, and interact with the > screen reader, windows, and all other aps via the keyboard, like you would on a native > windows install, or is the serial console a problem after the > installation as well? Just wondering anyway, what would happen if > windows tried to display the gui via the serial port console, and you > had minicom running at the other end (grin)? > > Greg > > > On Sun, Jul 09, 2006 at 10:33:22PM -0400, Alex Snow wrote: > > There is no way to use a virtual machine program with a screenreader. > > You have to install the OS either through serial console/speakup in > > the case of *nix or an unattend file in the case of windows. The > > closest thing to an accessible vm was bochs with the curses output > > module, but it's too slow to be used. > > - -- > web site: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org > gpg public key: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org/pubkey.asc > skype: gregn1 > (authorization required, add me to your contacts list first) > > - -- > Free domains: http://www.eu.org/ or mail dns-manager@EU.org > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQFEscSk7s9z/XlyUyARAqvxAJ47iFiVkIn7XKZwFx7LTlUm4KLEEgCgg3BG > /i18qQMkdjU8BzayxYCWntM= > =Q00J > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup -- Audience: What will become of Linux when the Hurd is ready? Eric Youngdale: Err... is Richard Stallman here? -- From the Linux conference in spring '95, Berlin ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 26+ messages in thread
* Re: Finally installed Wine but there are problems ` Igor Gueths ` Alex Snow @ ` Gregory Nowak ` Igor Gueths 1 sibling, 1 reply; 26+ messages in thread From: Gregory Nowak @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The xv hack was mentioned in a different thread on the same subject, started yesterday. It's a method posted by Janina a while back, that describes how to run xv in /etc/inittab, so that you would have a "virtual" x display for programs requiring x to use. I say "virtual", because you never see the display on-screen, it's just there for programs to attach to. Greg On Sun, Jul 09, 2006 at 10:19:15PM -0400, Igor Gueths wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA512 > > Hi Greg. What Xv hack you mentioned earlier? I looked through this > entire thread and didn't see anything. Also, from my experience in > playing with it, one is limited to text coming out the virtual serial > port when running Qemu from a text console. I ran into this problem when > I attempted running a BSD image, only to find out that its console > was not set to the virtual port. So unless one can get around using SDL > as a display and use Ncurses/similar, I'd say I'm out of luck for a > while. - -- web site: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org gpg public key: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org/pubkey.asc skype: gregn1 (authorization required, add me to your contacts list first) - -- Free domains: http://www.eu.org/ or mail dns-manager@EU.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFEscJ47s9z/XlyUyARAmwnAJ9pnzZojFnybsDEuelfjg+9MPaxRACeIDoj CflZKJTBS75xs8y4msPTBs8= =KACd -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 26+ messages in thread
* Re: Finally installed Wine but there are problems ` Gregory Nowak @ ` Igor Gueths ` Gregory Nowak 0 siblings, 1 reply; 26+ messages in thread From: Igor Gueths @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 Hi Greg. So is that there for programs that require X for some particular function, but the box said program is running on does not have X installed? On Sun, Jul 09, 2006 at 07:59:04PM -0700, Gregory Nowak wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > The xv hack was mentioned in a different thread on the same subject, > started yesterday. It's a method posted by Janina a while back, that > describes how to run xv in /etc/inittab, so that you would have a > "virtual" x display for programs requiring x to use. I say "virtual", > because you never see the display on-screen, it's just there for > programs to attach to. > > Greg > > > On Sun, Jul 09, 2006 at 10:19:15PM -0400, Igor Gueths wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA512 > > > > Hi Greg. What Xv hack you mentioned earlier? I looked through this > > entire thread and didn't see anything. Also, from my experience in > > playing with it, one is limited to text coming out the virtual serial > > port when running Qemu from a text console. I ran into this problem when > > I attempted running a BSD image, only to find out that its console > > was not set to the virtual port. So unless one can get around using SDL > > as a display and use Ncurses/similar, I'd say I'm out of luck for a > > while. > > - -- > web site: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org > gpg public key: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org/pubkey.asc > skype: gregn1 > (authorization required, add me to your contacts list first) > > - -- > Free domains: http://www.eu.org/ or mail dns-manager@EU.org > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQFEscJ47s9z/XlyUyARAmwnAJ9pnzZojFnybsDEuelfjg+9MPaxRACeIDoj > CflZKJTBS75xs8y4msPTBs8= > =KACd > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup - -- For an IRC experience without all the clutter, check out BOFHNet at irc.bofhnet.us. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iQIVAwUBRLL9l6e2pgKIdGq4AQqt/g/+J7LG7YVckV/6PjNo3lcOuN9ONHieNamR p5sL+W/+DQdFyPc1g3cu86cX8VLjRmqASsEfgJ7eKj+6fEceT84llXMxjAFEYLiZ w9TRAz1xjU9qoUuAO7DTKiklbjf240Fc1NIaW/s6LxajZCl0E5TdGmVb5lZW2Zou +MmlWtrEsMJCgE5q6iJJuowrTyMRFLMqjrazw+WZ3cMoRYHoNcQgvKv9s6JV8sE3 XP+2OIvzcS+jCVQqsvX7OEaUlAuGf/F4zceF1Or++B6+0CBTCiNckCiTdewH5RCF KINsYdCJUK4sWnfrNEOCDjiYztWBSM2EMPdI4rXcy55apM014Uamdra6B8wMwXUP YP/1jq17MR78xT6vI7VcMIA5seXsZYZC/7+F4shXXUKIAXRW7bqXtb/nbZ1kvQqa Uml6/uqupvEd6GmLTXAil6g5zn73SfrZFDxuqryU47ejureaVMIMOa8AjmaTUmt8 qCMLBOAvPi2LBNGGVHuu764nKsz0okaTLlSslgio9jpgAC8IH/ri36n6a6DRKHDE 4pjFJvuUbVXcXQf8v4MJRGBnAhVcddklXV/EE3ZijOG+T/TfrzkKSLL7Yxq5WmRp hlxUopzL+TfyQTQ4mdo2twXEi7N2CTmTAUYiqukg+kQXh4nuh6HCiriT27tuLwqF lkVxzGaloy8= =Rpvl -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 26+ messages in thread
* Re: Finally installed Wine but there are problems ` Igor Gueths @ ` Gregory Nowak ` Gregory Nowak 0 siblings, 1 reply; 26+ messages in thread From: Gregory Nowak @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 No, the box that said program is running on needs to have x installed. The point of the xv hack is to be able to run an x program from the text console, while still providing it with a display to connect to. Let me see if I still have Janina's post on the topic here somewhere, and if I do, instead of reposting it, I'll locate it in the archives, and provide the URL to that post. Greg On Mon, Jul 10, 2006 at 09:23:35PM -0400, Igor Gueths wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA512 > > Hi Greg. So is that there for programs that require X for some > particular function, but the box said program is running on does not > have X installed? - -- web site: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org gpg public key: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org/pubkey.asc skype: gregn1 (authorization required, add me to your contacts list first) - -- Free domains: http://www.eu.org/ or mail dns-manager@EU.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFEswxg7s9z/XlyUyARAjqlAJ4g2keIq2xFjhRgKv9LdYW33z9JJACffOoz hAKFtCgp10mnq31sUYmxaZU= =BZiV -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 26+ messages in thread
* Re: Finally installed Wine but there are problems ` Gregory Nowak @ ` Gregory Nowak ` Re[2]: " Christian 0 siblings, 1 reply; 26+ messages in thread From: Gregory Nowak @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Ok, believe it or not, I still have Janina's post on this, looks like I too was smart enough to keep it in a file all these years (grin). Going by the date and thread in that post, it was a snap locating it in the archives. So, the URL describing what I've been calling the xv hack, though calling it the xvfb hack would have been more appropriate is: http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/pipermail/speakup/2002-March/011581.html Note that I never used the first method described here, only the second method, but I don't see why the first method shouldn't work also. Greg On Mon, Jul 10, 2006 at 07:26:40PM -0700, Gregory Nowak wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > No, the box that said program is running on needs to have x > installed. The point of the xv hack is to be able to run an x program > from the text console, while still providing it with a display to > connect to. Let me see if I still have Janina's post on the topic here > somewhere, and if I do, instead of reposting it, I'll locate it in the > archives, and provide the URL to that post. > > Greg > > - -- web site: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org gpg public key: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org/pubkey.asc skype: gregn1 (authorization required, add me to your contacts list first) - -- Free domains: http://www.eu.org/ or mail dns-manager@EU.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFEsxE77s9z/XlyUyARAlV8AJ9R8mdcayFNLUod+Q+i7O5CfDomAgCghc3c qOsweoswwU+8IfRRM6SYE5E= =vYke -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 26+ messages in thread
* Re[2]: Finally installed Wine but there are problems ` Gregory Nowak @ ` Christian ` Gregory Nowak 0 siblings, 1 reply; 26+ messages in thread From: Christian @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup Hello Greg, Many thanks, will give it a try! But this will not allow me to for instance boot a DOS floppy under Qemu and read it in a text console? Many thanks, Christian On 2006-07-10 at 19:47 Gregory Nowak wrote: >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >Hash: SHA1 > >Ok, believe it or not, I still have Janina's post on this, looks like >I too was smart enough to keep it in a file all these years (grin). Going >by >the date and thread in that post, it was a snap locating it in the >archives. So, the URL describing what I've been calling the xv hack, >though calling it the xvfb hack would have been more appropriate is: > >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/pipermail/speakup/2002-March/011581.html > >Note that I never used the first method described here, only the >second method, but I don't see why the first method shouldn't work >also. > >Greg > > >On Mon, Jul 10, 2006 at 07:26:40PM -0700, Gregory Nowak wrote: >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> No, the box that said program is running on needs to have x >> installed. The point of the xv hack is to be able to run an x program >> from the text console, while still providing it with a display to >> connect to. Let me see if I still have Janina's post on the topic here >> somewhere, and if I do, instead of reposting it, I'll locate it in the >> archives, and provide the URL to that post. >> >> Greg >> >> > > > >- -- >web site: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org >gpg public key: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org/pubkey.asc >skype: gregn1 >(authorization required, add me to your contacts list first) > >- -- >Free domains: http://www.eu.org/ or mail dns-manager@EU.org >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) > >iD8DBQFEsxE77s9z/XlyUyARAlV8AJ9R8mdcayFNLUod+Q+i7O5CfDomAgCghc3c >qOsweoswwU+8IfRRM6SYE5E= >=vYke >-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > >_______________________________________________ >Speakup mailing list >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 26+ messages in thread
* Re: Finally installed Wine but there are problems ` Re[2]: " Christian @ ` Gregory Nowak ` Hart Larry ` Re[2]: " Christian 0 siblings, 2 replies; 26+ messages in thread From: Gregory Nowak @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi Christian, I'm not sure, I guess the only way to find out would be to try it. If you're interested in running dos in a virtual machine of its own however, check out dosemu, <http://sourceforge.net/projects/dosemu/>. The good news here is that you don't need a dos screen reader, since speakup does a beautiful job here. Greg On Tue, Jul 11, 2006 at 02:27:57PM +0200, Christian wrote: > Hello Greg, > Many thanks, will give it a try! > But this will not allow me to for instance boot a DOS floppy under Qemu and read it in a text console? > Many thanks, > Christian > > - -- web site: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org gpg public key: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org/pubkey.asc skype: gregn1 (authorization required, add me to your contacts list first) - -- Free domains: http://www.eu.org/ or mail dns-manager@EU.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFEs71j7s9z/XlyUyARAtbNAJ0T6xQJmoZkMYEnXZOp4uY366VhCwCfcgPb RwWf87iqeLqN5Dtp5B5eYOg= =jeOK -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 26+ messages in thread
* Re: Finally installed Wine but there are problems ` Gregory Nowak @ ` Hart Larry ` Gregory Nowak ` Re[2]: " Christian 1 sibling, 1 reply; 26+ messages in thread From: Hart Larry @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Well, Greg, as for Dosemu, I notice the same exact behavior in speakup as I do when running a dos prompt in JFW. It seems to read most of the screen over again, not just the newest action or prompt. Example would be in Jaws, if I am in an ftp session--and begin a download, it would read earlier commands such as binary and bell commands. I honestly don't reember which command I tried while in dosemu with speakup, but I think it was dir /w or slash b. Hart ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 26+ messages in thread
* Re: Finally installed Wine but there are problems ` Hart Larry @ ` Gregory Nowak 0 siblings, 0 replies; 26+ messages in thread From: Gregory Nowak @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I can't comment on jfw, since I don't use it. However, I believe the problem you describe happens when the screen is redrawn. What I do is to use cls frequently when running dosemu under speakup. Also, you can avoid hearing everything when the screen refreshes by silencing speech, and using the review commands to read the screen. Greg On Tue, Jul 11, 2006 at 08:35:14AM -0700, Hart Larry wrote: > Well, Greg, as for Dosemu, I notice the same exact behavior in speakup as I do > when running a dos prompt in JFW. It seems to read most of the screen over > again, not just the newest action or prompt. Example would be in Jaws, if I am > in an ftp session--and begin a download, it would read earlier commands such as > binary and bell commands. I honestly don't reember which command I tried while > in dosemu with speakup, but I think it was dir /w or slash b. > Hart > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup - -- web site: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org gpg public key: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org/pubkey.asc skype: gregn1 (authorization required, add me to your contacts list first) - -- Free domains: http://www.eu.org/ or mail dns-manager@EU.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFEtFAd7s9z/XlyUyARApz7AJ4h4mxz2o69j8NdTFNvnoRmjYNfVQCfXMLt hh0hL2EbGPYq9thEe7DS3r8= =Iljm -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 26+ messages in thread
* Re[2]: Finally installed Wine but there are problems ` Gregory Nowak ` Hart Larry @ ` Christian 1 sibling, 0 replies; 26+ messages in thread From: Christian @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup Hello Greg, Many thanks for the link! OK, will try the other method and see if it works! When I run Qemu I used the -nographics option. When the Dos floppy had booted I entered dir but the diskette didn't start spinning at all. Also, I tried installing the Qemu Accelerator, but it didn't work. Many thanks, Christian On 2006-07-11 at 08:01 Gregory Nowak wrote: >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >Hash: SHA1 > >Hi Christian, > >I'm not sure, I guess the only way to find out would be to try it. If >you're interested in running dos in a virtual machine of its own >however, check out dosemu, ><http://sourceforge.net/projects/dosemu/>. The good news here is that >you don't need a dos screen reader, since speakup does a beautiful job >here. > >Greg > > >On Tue, Jul 11, 2006 at 02:27:57PM +0200, Christian wrote: >> Hello Greg, >> Many thanks, will give it a try! >> But this will not allow me to for instance boot a DOS floppy under Qemu >and read it in a text console? >> Many thanks, >> Christian >> >> > >- -- >web site: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org >gpg public key: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org/pubkey.asc >skype: gregn1 >(authorization required, add me to your contacts list first) > >- -- >Free domains: http://www.eu.org/ or mail dns-manager@EU.org >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) > >iD8DBQFEs71j7s9z/XlyUyARAtbNAJ0T6xQJmoZkMYEnXZOp4uY366VhCwCfcgPb >RwWf87iqeLqN5Dtp5B5eYOg= >=jeOK >-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > >_______________________________________________ >Speakup mailing list >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 26+ messages in thread
* Re: Finally installed Wine but there are problems ` Gregory Nowak ` Igor Gueths @ ` Alex Snow ` Gregory Nowak 1 sibling, 1 reply; 26+ messages in thread From: Alex Snow @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Qemu is a lot more responsive then bochs. The few times I've tried to run anything under bochs (tried the dos and linux images from the website) It was too slow to even think about using, and that was on a 1ghz p3. Qemu seems to be at least useable. On Sun, Jul 09, 2006 at 06:57:09PM -0700, Gregory Nowak wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > I've briefly looked at the qemu project before, but didn't actually > have the time to play with it. From what it looked like, it seems that > it's also possible to run qemu from the text console, even without the > xv hack in /etc/inittab I mentioned before. > > Also, how responsive is qemu? I've run bochs before, and found it was > so slow as to be impractical to use in most scenarios, and this is on > a 1.1GHz celeron system. > > Greg > > > On Sun, Jul 09, 2006 at 06:49:13PM -0400, Alex Snow wrote: > > you might also want to look at qemu. It's a free alternative to > > vmware that is pretty accessible, and might give you better results > > then wine. Qemu uses commandline options to run instead of a gui > > configuration like vmware does, so you could write a shell script to > > start it and launch that from inside an x session. > > - -- > web site: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org > gpg public key: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org/pubkey.asc > skype: gregn1 > (authorization required, add me to your contacts list first) > > - -- > Free domains: http://www.eu.org/ or mail dns-manager@EU.org > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQFEsbP17s9z/XlyUyARAvRzAJ98rOAY3s/B31LYObpfm0G4jlkA7ACfcE6c > xldcXq+BrtEsS+2dyuLeI1s= > =6pZx > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup -- ..you could spend *all day* customizing the title bar. Believe me. I speak from experience. -- Matt Welsh ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 26+ messages in thread
* Re: Finally installed Wine but there are problems ` Alex Snow @ ` Gregory Nowak ` Alex Snow 0 siblings, 1 reply; 26+ messages in thread From: Gregory Nowak @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Interesting. I've found that DOS and linux, (at least when running in the text console, without x), was quite useable under bochs, and I might still even be using it for that, if dosemu, and user-mode-linux weren't available. The time that bochs really dragged was when I put win95 on it, along with wineyes, to see how it did. The install of win95 was possible to get through with a great deal of patience and time, but once it played the M$ sound, until the time it was ready to use, was about 15 minutes, and I'm not exaggerating that either, I timed it. Even when it was ready, the speech from wineyes coming through the sound card was so choppy and delayed, (even after playing with the bochs sound settings), that you couldn't tell what it was saying, unless you knew by heart what it was going to say when you did something. I also found that the alt, tab, and windows keys weren't useable, making things even more difficult. Greg On Sun, Jul 09, 2006 at 10:31:27PM -0400, Alex Snow wrote: > Qemu is a lot more responsive then bochs. The few times I've tried to > run anything under bochs (tried the dos and linux images from the > website) It was too slow to even think about using, and that was on a > 1ghz p3. Qemu seems to be at least useable. - -- web site: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org gpg public key: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org/pubkey.asc skype: gregn1 (authorization required, add me to your contacts list first) - -- Free domains: http://www.eu.org/ or mail dns-manager@EU.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFEsceI7s9z/XlyUyARAvXtAJ4lVpieUdVMJBfCryVP+eBQkVNRSQCeJzHF QCLxe7Tpv5+SzvE67uOKfBs= =fHwm -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 26+ messages in thread
* Re: Finally installed Wine but there are problems ` Gregory Nowak @ ` Alex Snow 0 siblings, 0 replies; 26+ messages in thread From: Alex Snow @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. I ran dos under bochs once to see if I could use an old dos image util to write some xenix disk images to floppy, to later install under bochs using the curses display. Other then the fact that the image program had troulble writing to the floppy (understandable), bochs was so slow that when I would push enter at the dos prompt, it'd take around 5 seconds or more to give me another prompt. I have never seen dos run that slow, even on old 386 machines. On Sun, Jul 09, 2006 at 08:20:40PM -0700, Gregory Nowak wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Interesting. I've found that DOS and linux, (at least when running in > the text console, without x), was quite useable under > bochs, and I might still even be using it for that, if dosemu, and > user-mode-linux weren't available. The time that bochs really dragged > was when I put win95 on it, along with wineyes, to see how it did. The > install of win95 was possible to get through with a great deal of > patience and time, but once it played the M$ sound, until the time it > was ready to use, was about 15 minutes, and I'm not exaggerating that > either, I timed it. Even when it was ready, the speech from wineyes > coming through the sound card was so choppy and delayed, (even after > playing with the bochs sound settings), that you couldn't tell what it > was saying, unless you knew by heart what it was going to say when you > did something. I also found that the alt, tab, and windows keys > weren't useable, making things even more difficult. > > Greg > > > On Sun, Jul 09, 2006 at 10:31:27PM -0400, Alex Snow wrote: > > Qemu is a lot more responsive then bochs. The few times I've tried to > > run anything under bochs (tried the dos and linux images from the > > website) It was too slow to even think about using, and that was on a > > 1ghz p3. Qemu seems to be at least useable. > > - -- > web site: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org > gpg public key: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org/pubkey.asc > skype: gregn1 > (authorization required, add me to your contacts list first) > > - -- > Free domains: http://www.eu.org/ or mail dns-manager@EU.org > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQFEsceI7s9z/XlyUyARAvXtAJ4lVpieUdVMJBfCryVP+eBQkVNRSQCeJzHF > QCLxe7Tpv5+SzvE67uOKfBs= > =fHwm > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup -- We are MicroSoft. You will be assimilated. Resistance is futile. -- Attributed to B.G., Gill Bates ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 26+ messages in thread
* Re: Finally installed Wine but there are problems ` Re[2]: " Christian ` Alex Snow @ ` Gregory Nowak 1 sibling, 0 replies; 26+ messages in thread From: Gregory Nowak @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, Jul 10, 2006 at 12:02:02AM +0200, Christian wrote: > One thing I also did was copying the entire c:\wineyes folder from my Windows partition into my Linux system. > After that I tried running > wine wineyes.exe but it didn't work either. If your native windows is 2k/xp/2k3, then you'd be running into the same problem as with the demo install, so that's not surprising. Greg - -- web site: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org gpg public key: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org/pubkey.asc skype: gregn1 (authorization required, add me to your contacts list first) - -- Free domains: http://www.eu.org/ or mail dns-manager@EU.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFEsbK87s9z/XlyUyARAgZoAJ46OFrsOLYixTlUghapX+auI4CCPgCdGvzG E6JnwUVLvDJJBoBGK62lhjw= =y3D/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 26+ messages in thread
* Re: Finally installed Wine but there are problems @ tony seth ` Gregory Nowak 0 siblings, 1 reply; 26+ messages in thread From: tony seth @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup Hello there: I've been considering playing with wine, but can't find the link I had for downloading it. Can ya give me that please? Thanks much... -- Email services by FreedomBox. Surf the Net at the sound of your voice. www.freedombox.info ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 26+ messages in thread
* Re: Finally installed Wine but there are problems tony seth @ ` Gregory Nowak 0 siblings, 0 replies; 26+ messages in thread From: Gregory Nowak @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 http://www.winehq.org/ You could have found this out for yourself of course. If you would have taken the time to search for: download+wine on google, the first result would have been the wine binary downloads page. Searching for: wine in the projects section of freshmeat.net, would have also gotten you that answer right away. Greg On Sun, Jul 09, 2006 at 05:31:02PM -0400, tony seth wrote: > Hello there: I've been considering playing with wine, but can't find > the link I had for downloading it. Can ya give me that please? Thanks much... > > -- > Email services by FreedomBox. Surf the Net at the sound of your voice. > www.freedombox.info > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup - -- web site: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org gpg public key: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org/pubkey.asc skype: gregn1 (authorization required, add me to your contacts list first) - -- Free domains: http://www.eu.org/ or mail dns-manager@EU.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFEsXd97s9z/XlyUyARAl5ZAJ9tS1s0yN1THd7PUXGHXwK+RLqcrQCfQlTn /0vvN2fBtofoWcK/CU+5UK8= =O3Kg -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 26+ messages in thread
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