installed Fedora Core 5 but have questions

installed Fedora Core 5 but have questions

[Raul A. Gallegos]

OK. After a short-lived experience with GRML I relize it was not for me. 
So I figured I'd go back to Fedora Core. I was previously using 3 and 
figured it was time to use 5.

I installed 5 via telnet so am faced with no speakup modified kernel. 
I've downloaded the kernel rpm from speakupmodified.org. The one which 
is currently on my system is:

kernel                  i686       2.6.17-1.2139_FC5  

So I downloaded the kernel I found on the ftp site which appears to have 
the same version. The name of the rpm is

kernel-2.6.17-1.2139_FC5spk.i686.rpm

When I try to install it though I get an error about the gpg key. Output 
is below.

kernel                  i686       2.6.17-1.2139_FC5  installed          
37 M

Transaction Summary
=============================================================================
Install      1 Package(s)         
Update       0 Package(s)         
Remove       1 Package(s)         
Total download size: 37 M
Is this ok [y/N]: y
Downloading Packages:
warning: rpmts_HdrFromFdno: Header V3 DSA signature: NOKEY, key ID 
35571ae2


Public key for kernel-2.6.17-1.2139_FC5spk.i686.rpm is not installed

So, first question is how do I install getting past this error?

Second question is what would be the correct syntax in removing the 
original kernel installed by fc5 which is 2.6.15. I was looking in 
/boot/grub/grub.conf and I see that one in there as well.

Third question. Am I correct in assuming that once the speakup modified 
kernel is installed I still need to make the initial ram disk so that it 
knows which synthesizer I'm using?

Thanks and FYI. I've read the various posts on the speakup archives 
especially messages from Janina and Stephen but 
none of them have mentioned the rpm and key bit. Many thanks in advance 
to anyone who can help.

-- 
Raul A. Gallegos ... IliwSsmc

Re: installed Fedora Core 5 but have questions

[Willem van der Walt]

Hi,
I Cannot answer all of these, but:


On Wed, 28 Jun 2006, Raul A. Gallegos wrote:
> So I downloaded the kernel I found on the ftp site which appears to have
> the same version. The name of the rpm is
>
> kernel-2.6.17-1.2139_FC5spk.i686.rpm
>
> When I try to install it though I get an error about the gpg key. Output
> is below.
>
> kernel                  i686       2.6.17-1.2139_FC5  installed
> 37 M
>
> Transaction Summary
> =============================================================================
> Install      1 Package(s)
> Update       0 Package(s)
> Remove       1 Package(s)
> Total download size: 37 M
> Is this ok [y/N]: y
> Downloading Packages:
> warning: rpmts_HdrFromFdno: Header V3 DSA signature: NOKEY, key ID
> 35571ae2
>
>
> Public key for kernel-2.6.17-1.2139_FC5spk.i686.rpm is not installed
>
> So, first question is how do I install getting past this error?
You need to get the key, usually downloadable from the same place, or in 
this case, likely present on an old speakkup-modified
Fedora cd.
You need to import it using rpm, I forgot the syntax.

>
> Second question is what would be the correct syntax in removing the
> original kernel installed by fc5 which is 2.6.15. I was looking in
> /boot/grub/grub.conf and I see that one in there as well.
After installation, do rpm -q kernel
You should see more than one listed. Cut and paste the correct name onto 
the line:
rpm -e kernelX
Where X is the rest of the name.

>
> Third question. Am I correct in assuming that once the speakup modified
> kernel is installed I still need to make the initial ram disk so that it
> knows which synthesizer I'm using?
I think so.
>
> Thanks and FYI. I've read the various posts on the speakup archives
> especially messages from Janina and Stephen but
> none of them have mentioned the rpm and key bit. Many thanks in advance
> to anyone who can help.
>
> -- 
> Raul A. Gallegos ... IliwSsmc
>
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Re: installed Fedora Core 5 but have questions

[Raul A. Gallegos]

* Willem van der Walt <wvdwalt@csir.co.za> [060628 09:26]:
> You need to get the key, usually downloadable from the same place, or in 
> this case, likely present on an old speakkup-modified
> Fedora cd.
> You need to import it using rpm, I forgot the syntax.

I have the syntax but I could not find it on the copy of the Fedora 
Core 3 cd I have. So I went ahead and just did rpm -ihv [kernel.rpm]

> You should see more than one listed. Cut and paste the correct name onto 
> the line:
> rpm -e kernelX
> Where X is the rest of the name.


Thanks. I did not know that trick. It definitely helped.

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Raul A. Gallegos ... IliwSsmc

RE: installed Fedora Core 5 but have questions

[Dawes, Stephen]

Once you have the GPG key installed, you never need to install it again.
So it often becomes an over site when talking about things like package
installs.
Bill Acker has his own GPG key that is used for the Fedora
Speakup-Modified kernels. 
I believe that it is available from the FTP site, if not, perhaps Janina
or Bill can jump in here and provide the path to where you can get it.
If you don't hear from them, let me know, and I'll send you the GPG key
from my system.

Once you have either the download path or the actual file, you can then
use rpm to install the GPG key to your collection of keys.
Off the top of my head, I don't remember the option necessary to do
this, but a quick google would definitely give you this answer.

Yum remove kernel-2.6.15 should work for you. 
If not, try rpm --erase kernel-2.6.15

Yes, you will need to do the mkinitrd to update it to use your synth. 
You also may want to turn on the pc bell which is off by default.
The option for this is:
--with=pcspkr 

HTH

Steve Dawes
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Re: installed Fedora Core 5 but have questions

[Raul A. Gallegos]

* Dawes, Stephen <Stephen.Dawes@calgary.ca> [060628 09:27]:
> Bill Acker has his own GPG key that is used for the Fedora
> Speakup-Modified kernels. 
> I believe that it is available from the FTP site, if not, perhaps Janina
> or Bill can jump in here and provide the path to where you can get it.

Hi. I did some further reading and ended up doing:

rpm -ivh kernel-2.6.17-1.xxxx.rpm

I forget the build numbers in the xxx .. In any case it installed fine. 
I'll dig around the net for the key though.


Or if you can go ahead and sen me the key for future reference but no 
hurries on that now.
> 
> Once you have either the download path or the actual file, you can then
> use rpm to install the GPG key to your collection of keys.
> Off the top of my head, I don't remember the option necessary to do
> this, but a quick google would definitely give you this answer.

Yep, rpm --import is the trick. I've got that one down <smile>.

> Yum remove kernel-2.6.15 should work for you. 
> If not, try rpm --erase kernel-2.6.15


The yum approach worked. I removed the original fc5 kernel and then 
updated non-speakup 2.6.17 and things are fine. I'm still not used to 
all this automated stuff. I am used to building the kernels and making 
them bootable by hand like when I used to run Slackware.

> Yes, you will need to do the mkinitrd to update it to use your synth. 
> You also may want to turn on the pc bell which is off by default.
> The option for this is:
> --with=pcspkr 


Got that and many thanks. I read that option in the speakup modified 
howto install which shows that line as well.


-- 
Raul A. Gallegos ... IliwSsmc

Re: installed Fedora Core 5 but have questions

[propaine]

Since I'm considering whether to upgrade Fedora or switch to something else,
can you tell me why you decided that GRML is not for you?  Thanks!

Propaine
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Raul A. Gallegos" <raul@asmodean.net>
To: "Speakup Mailing-list" <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 11:11 AM
Subject: installed Fedora Core 5 but have questions


> OK. After a short-lived experience with GRML I relize it was not for me.
> So I figured I'd go back to Fedora Core. I was previously using 3 and
> figured it was time to use 5.
>
> I installed 5 via telnet so am faced with no speakup modified kernel.
> I've downloaded the kernel rpm from speakupmodified.org. The one which
> is currently on my system is:
>
> kernel                  i686       2.6.17-1.2139_FC5
>
> So I downloaded the kernel I found on the ftp site which appears to have
> the same version. The name of the rpm is
>
> kernel-2.6.17-1.2139_FC5spk.i686.rpm
>
> When I try to install it though I get an error about the gpg key. Output
> is below.
>
> kernel                  i686       2.6.17-1.2139_FC5  installed
> 37 M
>
> Transaction Summary
>
============================================================================
=
> Install      1 Package(s)
> Update       0 Package(s)
> Remove       1 Package(s)
> Total download size: 37 M
> Is this ok [y/N]: y
> Downloading Packages:
> warning: rpmts_HdrFromFdno: Header V3 DSA signature: NOKEY, key ID
> 35571ae2
>
>
> Public key for kernel-2.6.17-1.2139_FC5spk.i686.rpm is not installed
>
> So, first question is how do I install getting past this error?
>
> Second question is what would be the correct syntax in removing the
> original kernel installed by fc5 which is 2.6.15. I was looking in
> /boot/grub/grub.conf and I see that one in there as well.
>
> Third question. Am I correct in assuming that once the speakup modified
> kernel is installed I still need to make the initial ram disk so that it
> knows which synthesizer I'm using?
>
> Thanks and FYI. I've read the various posts on the speakup archives
> especially messages from Janina and Stephen but
> none of them have mentioned the rpm and key bit. Many thanks in advance
> to anyone who can help.
>
> -- 
> Raul A. Gallegos ... IliwSsmc
>
> _______________________________________________
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> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
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why I didn't choose GRML

[Raul A. Gallegos]

* propaine <propaine@verizon.net> [060628 10:14]:
> Since I'm considering whether to upgrade Fedora or switch to something else,
> can you tell me why you decided that GRML is not for you?  Thanks!


I'd be happy to. But first let me say that I like GRML linux very much 
and am not interested in starting any sort of distro war here.

I don't just use Linux as an end user. I run my own mail server, web 
server, ssh server, etc, you get the picture. Right now it seems that 
because GRML is based on Debian unstable there are sometimes problems. 
Packages are constantly updated which is the nature of the beast and 
from time to time a package might break your system. Because I run a 
production server I cannot run an unstable os. I've used Debian before 
and liked it very much and even considerred going back to it. However 
one of the main concerns here was time. I know how to install Fedora 
very quickly and needed to get up and running as quick as possible. Here 
is where GRML originally came into the picture. I love how you can 
simply pop the cd in and have a running Linux system right away. On 
three machies I tried it on both using software and hardware speakup 
synthesizers they worked from the get go. So, it's not GRML's fault 
really. It's just for my particular needs I need something which is not 
unstable in the way of packages.

When I ran grml2hd it gave me fits and I had to manually tweak the 
script to make it possible for me to install. I forget the line number 
but it had to do with the code which checks the hard drive space 
available. There was a /1024 line which was throwing it off. So, I took 
that line out and hard coded in the space value so the script would 
continue.

On top of that dovecot had to be tweaked quite a bit to get pop logins 
working right and really, the list goes on.

This is not to say that GRML is bad and in fact I really love their mutt 
configureation style. I've actually used some of those settings for my 
muttrc now. I also like the fact that it boots so quickly although I 
realize that GRML is not the only one so take that for what it's worth.

Hope this helps.


-- 
Raul A. Gallegos ... IliwSsmc

Re: why I didn't choose GRML

[propaine]

Thanks very much!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Raul A. Gallegos" <raul@asmodean.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 2:29 PM
Subject: why I didn't choose GRML


> * propaine <propaine@verizon.net> [060628 10:14]:
> > Since I'm considering whether to upgrade Fedora or switch to something
else,
> > can you tell me why you decided that GRML is not for you?  Thanks!
>
>
> I'd be happy to. But first let me say that I like GRML linux very much
> and am not interested in starting any sort of distro war here.
>
> I don't just use Linux as an end user. I run my own mail server, web
> server, ssh server, etc, you get the picture. Right now it seems that
> because GRML is based on Debian unstable there are sometimes problems.
> Packages are constantly updated which is the nature of the beast and
> from time to time a package might break your system. Because I run a
> production server I cannot run an unstable os. I've used Debian before
> and liked it very much and even considerred going back to it. However
> one of the main concerns here was time. I know how to install Fedora
> very quickly and needed to get up and running as quick as possible. Here
> is where GRML originally came into the picture. I love how you can
> simply pop the cd in and have a running Linux system right away. On
> three machies I tried it on both using software and hardware speakup
> synthesizers they worked from the get go. So, it's not GRML's fault
> really. It's just for my particular needs I need something which is not
> unstable in the way of packages.
>
> When I ran grml2hd it gave me fits and I had to manually tweak the
> script to make it possible for me to install. I forget the line number
> but it had to do with the code which checks the hard drive space
> available. There was a /1024 line which was throwing it off. So, I took
> that line out and hard coded in the space value so the script would
> continue.
>
> On top of that dovecot had to be tweaked quite a bit to get pop logins
> working right and really, the list goes on.
>
> This is not to say that GRML is bad and in fact I really love their mutt
> configureation style. I've actually used some of those settings for my
> muttrc now. I also like the fact that it boots so quickly although I
> realize that GRML is not the only one so take that for what it's worth.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
>
> -- 
> Raul A. Gallegos ... IliwSsmc
>
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