eSpeak abbreviation question

eSpeak abbreviation question

[Lorenzo Taylor]

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Has anyone figured out how to solve the doctor/drive abbreviation problem in
eSpeak?  I tried several things and nothing helped.  I tried adding an entry for
drive in english.list, but eSpeak still says doctor all the time.  I put it
after doctor and it said drive all the time.  I tried explicitly putting the dot
in the entry for doctor, but then it said drive all the time.  And when I
removed the entry for drive, it simply said d r even if there was a dot after
it.  Has anyone figured out the right way to do this?  Did I maybe forget
something that would have made a difference?  I can use similar help in the
matter of the saint/street problem as well.

Thanks,
Lorenzo
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Re: eSpeak abbreviation question

[Gregory Nowak]

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My advise would be to get rid of doctor/drive or saint/street
altogether, and just say dr and st. One of the things I can't stand
about some synths is that they say abbreviations like that, and most
of them don't give you an option to turn that off.

Greg


On Thu, May 04, 2006 at 03:26:56PM -0400, Lorenzo Taylor wrote:
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> Has anyone figured out how to solve the doctor/drive abbreviation problem in
> eSpeak?  I tried several things and nothing helped.  I tried adding an entry for
> drive in english.list, but eSpeak still says doctor all the time.  I put it
> after doctor and it said drive all the time.  I tried explicitly putting the dot
> in the entry for doctor, but then it said drive all the time.  And when I
> removed the entry for drive, it simply said d r even if there was a dot after
> it.  Has anyone figured out the right way to do this?  Did I maybe forget
> something that would have made a difference?  I can use similar help in the
> matter of the saint/street problem as well.
> 
> Thanks,
> Lorenzo
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Re: eSpeak abbreviation question

[Steve Holmes]

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My thoughts exactly!  I would say 95% of the time, I do *NOT* need these
substitutions and I further agree with Greg, the developers never
provide a means to turn this off.  How 'bout mn for Minisota, hp for
HorsePower when you're trying to talk about Helit Packard, Sunday Micro
Systems, what else can I think of?

I think GW Micro managed to get most of that garbage turned off with
DEC-Access for Window-Eyes.  However, I think DEC for Linux still does
it <sigh>.

On Thu, May 04, 2006 at 12:46:36PM -0700, Gregory Nowak wrote:
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> My advise would be to get rid of doctor/drive or saint/street
> altogether, and just say dr and st. One of the things I can't stand
> about some synths is that they say abbreviations like that, and most
> of them don't give you an option to turn that off.
> 
> Greg
> 
> 
> On Thu, May 04, 2006 at 03:26:56PM -0400, Lorenzo Taylor wrote:
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> > Has anyone figured out how to solve the doctor/drive abbreviation problem in
> > eSpeak?  I tried several things and nothing helped.  I tried adding an entry for
> > drive in english.list, but eSpeak still says doctor all the time.  I put it
> > after doctor and it said drive all the time.  I tried explicitly putting the dot
> > in the entry for doctor, but then it said drive all the time.  And when I
> > removed the entry for drive, it simply said d r even if there was a dot after
> > it.  Has anyone figured out the right way to do this?  Did I maybe forget
> > something that would have made a difference?  I can use similar help in the
> > matter of the saint/street problem as well.
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > Lorenzo
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Re: eSpeak abbreviation question

[Janina Sajka]

There are some doozies in ibmtts that we're trying to disable, like
"Deutsche Marks" for dem. Heck, Deutsche Marks don't even exist any
longer.

Janina

Steve Holmes writes:
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> My thoughts exactly!  I would say 95% of the time, I do *NOT* need these
> substitutions and I further agree with Greg, the developers never
> provide a means to turn this off.  How 'bout mn for Minisota, hp for
> HorsePower when you're trying to talk about Helit Packard, Sunday Micro
> Systems, what else can I think of?
> 
> I think GW Micro managed to get most of that garbage turned off with
> DEC-Access for Window-Eyes.  However, I think DEC for Linux still does
> it <sigh>.
> 
> On Thu, May 04, 2006 at 12:46:36PM -0700, Gregory Nowak wrote:
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> > My advise would be to get rid of doctor/drive or saint/street
> > altogether, and just say dr and st. One of the things I can't stand
> > about some synths is that they say abbreviations like that, and most
> > of them don't give you an option to turn that off.
> > 
> > Greg
> > 
> > 
> > On Thu, May 04, 2006 at 03:26:56PM -0400, Lorenzo Taylor wrote:
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> > > Has anyone figured out how to solve the doctor/drive abbreviation problem in
> > > eSpeak?  I tried several things and nothing helped.  I tried adding an entry for
> > > drive in english.list, but eSpeak still says doctor all the time.  I put it
> > > after doctor and it said drive all the time.  I tried explicitly putting the dot
> > > in the entry for doctor, but then it said drive all the time.  And when I
> > > removed the entry for drive, it simply said d r even if there was a dot after
> > > it.  Has anyone figured out the right way to do this?  Did I maybe forget
> > > something that would have made a difference?  I can use similar help in the
> > > matter of the saint/street problem as well.
> > > 
> > > Thanks,
> > > Lorenzo
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Re: eSpeak abbreviation question

[Lorenzo Taylor]

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Thanks.  That was the option I had seriously considered when dr said
doctor when it was supposed to say drive.  Your suggestion actually
makes me feel better about what I was thinking about doing, which was
wiping out all the abbreviations from english.list.

Thanks for the help,
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RE: eSpeak abbreviation question

[Dawes, Stephen]

One that often causes nothing but grief for speech is the ca
abbreviation.
Is it ca for Canada, Computer Associates, or California.
 

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Re: eSpeak abbreviation question

[Michael Whapples]

Also some of them should only apply when a capital is involved. Using the dr 
example, should only be doctor only when capital D is used. I noticed that 
in espeak these are not case sensitive.

Normally because it is hard for a computer to get it right, I normally avoid 
using synths that do this. I have come across some that make some very 
strange abrieviations, OK as Oklahoma (flite) and MS as manuscript 
(realspeak).

To get back to the original question, I don't know if punctuation can be 
used in these files, it might require some special codes to be used like in 
python programming when using punctuation in strings (e.g. \.).
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Subject: RE: eSpeak abbreviation question


One that often causes nothing but grief for speech is the ca
abbreviation.
Is it ca for Canada, Computer Associates, or California.


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RE: eSpeak abbreviation question

[Adam Myrow]

Well, I have the Dectalk USB, and it does this sort of thing.  It's pretty
annoying when it gets abbreviations wrong.  I remember that JAWS for DOS
could turn off the Dectalk abbreviations, but JFW can't.  The Accent PC also
has abbreviations, but apparently Speakup knows how to turn them off.
Probably the best option is to have a command that can be sent to the
synthesizer to disable abbreviation processing.  I also agree that such
processing should be case sensitive.
 

Re: eSpeak abbreviation question

[Laura Eaves]

Hi all -- I have been a lurker on this list for a long time, but thought I'd 
break my silence for a moment to make a suggestion.  In the case of jaws, I 
believe the acronyms are specially handled by putting the words in the 
dictionary.  I don't know about espeak and other synths you are talking 
about, but if there is a dictionary for them somewhere with the 
abbreviations in them perhaps you could just edit it to remove the 
abbreviations that bother you...  I know this sounds obvious, but I thought 
I'd suggest it.  If the synths have translations of abbreviations like DR 
hardcoded in the software, you can do the next best thing of entering the 
words in your dictionary -- say, translate "DR" to " D R".
HTH.
I am away from home and don't have access to linux at the moment so can't 
poke around and test my assertions.  But I know this problem is annoying as 
I run into the same thing on my cell phone -- Dr on my cell phone is 
translated to "Drive".  I would prefer a simple ""D r" being spoken.
Good luck.
--le

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Subject: RE: eSpeak abbreviation question


Well, I have the Dectalk USB, and it does this sort of thing.  It's pretty
annoying when it gets abbreviations wrong.  I remember that JAWS for DOS
could turn off the Dectalk abbreviations, but JFW can't.  The Accent PC also
has abbreviations, but apparently Speakup knows how to turn them off.
Probably the best option is to have a command that can be sent to the
synthesizer to disable abbreviation processing.  I also agree that such
processing should be case sensitive.



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Re: eSpeak abbreviation question

[Hart Larry]

Well, Laura, as far as I know the only Linux screen-reader with an acception 
dictionary is Jupiter.  I know nothing about emacspeak.
When I got a firmware upgrade to this DecTalk U S B  it now has more anoying 
abreviations, such as .mpg as "miles per galon.
Hart

Re: eSpeak abbreviation question

[Willem van der Walt]

Hi,
When using the generic module in speech-dispatcher, it is relatively easy 
to implement an exception dictionary just using sed.
I had to do this when testing an Afrikaans speech synth which is in 
development as it could at the time not speak numbers.
Espeak itself, has an exception dictionary, so one can change things right 
there in the tts engine.
HTH
Willem


On Thu, 4 May 2006, Laura Eaves wrote:

> Hi all -- I have been a lurker on this list for a long time, but thought I'd
> break my silence for a moment to make a suggestion.  In the case of jaws, I
> believe the acronyms are specially handled by putting the words in the
> dictionary.  I don't know about espeak and other synths you are talking
> about, but if there is a dictionary for them somewhere with the
> abbreviations in them perhaps you could just edit it to remove the
> abbreviations that bother you...  I know this sounds obvious, but I thought
> I'd suggest it.  If the synths have translations of abbreviations like DR
> hardcoded in the software, you can do the next best thing of entering the
> words in your dictionary -- say, translate "DR" to " D R".
> HTH.
> I am away from home and don't have access to linux at the moment so can't
> poke around and test my assertions.  But I know this problem is annoying as
> I run into the same thing on my cell phone -- Dr on my cell phone is
> translated to "Drive".  I would prefer a simple ""D r" being spoken.
> Good luck.
> --le
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Adam Myrow" <amyrow@midsouth.rr.com>
> To: "'Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.'"
> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2006 6:28 PM
> Subject: RE: eSpeak abbreviation question
>
>
> Well, I have the Dectalk USB, and it does this sort of thing.  It's pretty
> annoying when it gets abbreviations wrong.  I remember that JAWS for DOS
> could turn off the Dectalk abbreviations, but JFW can't.  The Accent PC also
> has abbreviations, but apparently Speakup knows how to turn them off.
> Probably the best option is to have a command that can be sent to the
> synthesizer to disable abbreviation processing.  I also agree that such
> processing should be case sensitive.
>
>
>
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Re: eSpeak abbreviation question

[Michael Whapples]

Windows screen readers are another thing, they normally have there own 
dictionaries as well as those in the synths. Possibly for those who like 
abrieviations, that is good, particularly if it is like in window-eyes, 
where different dictionaries can be loaded depending on the application 
being used, so for things like the internet where you may want those 
abrieviations you can have them, but when in an editor where you may do 
something like programming you can have them turned off automatically. Don't 
know if any linux screen reader has this type of functionality, I doubt the 
design of speakup would lend itself to this without the aid of some other 
programs.
From
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Subject: Re: eSpeak abbreviation question


> Hi all -- I have been a lurker on this list for a long time, but thought 
> I'd
> break my silence for a moment to make a suggestion.  In the case of jaws, 
> I
> believe the acronyms are specially handled by putting the words in the
> dictionary.  I don't know about espeak and other synths you are talking
> about, but if there is a dictionary for them somewhere with the
> abbreviations in them perhaps you could just edit it to remove the
> abbreviations that bother you...  I know this sounds obvious, but I 
> thought
> I'd suggest it.  If the synths have translations of abbreviations like DR
> hardcoded in the software, you can do the next best thing of entering the
> words in your dictionary -- say, translate "DR" to " D R".
> HTH.
> I am away from home and don't have access to linux at the moment so can't
> poke around and test my assertions.  But I know this problem is annoying 
> as
> I run into the same thing on my cell phone -- Dr on my cell phone is
> translated to "Drive".  I would prefer a simple ""D r" being spoken.
> Good luck.
> --le
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Adam Myrow" <amyrow@midsouth.rr.com>
> To: "'Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.'"
> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2006 6:28 PM
> Subject: RE: eSpeak abbreviation question
>
>
> Well, I have the Dectalk USB, and it does this sort of thing.  It's pretty
> annoying when it gets abbreviations wrong.  I remember that JAWS for DOS
> could turn off the Dectalk abbreviations, but JFW can't.  The Accent PC 
> also
> has abbreviations, but apparently Speakup knows how to turn them off.
> Probably the best option is to have a command that can be sent to the
> synthesizer to disable abbreviation processing.  I also agree that such
> processing should be case sensitive.
>
>
>
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