* running Speakup on the Mac
@ Jane Jordan (gmail)
` Jacob Schmude
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From: Jane Jordan (gmail) @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
Has anyone tried running Speakup on the Mac? Will it work? I want
to try using it with the terminal we have, but not sure if it can be
done. Anyone tried it? Will it work with Mac voices, or will I have
to get a differnt synthesizer or what? :)
Jane
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread* Re: running Speakup on the Mac running Speakup on the Mac Jane Jordan (gmail) @ ` Jacob Schmude ` Jane Jordan (gmail) ` Sean M McMahon ` ace ` Luke Yelavich 2 siblings, 2 replies; 11+ messages in thread From: Jacob Schmude @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Hi Speakup is a Linux screen reader which operates at the kernel level. Thus, it requires Linux and is not capable of running on OS X (or any other OS for that matter), it would have to be completely rewritten to allow this. However, I'd be willing to bet that YASR, another UNIX screen reader, could be made to work though you'd need a hardware synthesizer to use it unless support for Apple voices could be worked in, which is probably possible though using those at the same time as VO would probably cause the same conflict as most other speaking apps attempting to do this. YASR isn't as robust as speakup but it can do most things, and it already compiles on FreeBSD. I'll work on this, if someone doesn't do it first, when I get the time which should be in a few weeks once finals are over. It shouldn't be too much work, as it operates at the shell level itself, it doesn't need anything from the OS other than to open a PTY to read the output. Would be nice to have terminal reading automatically. On Apr 12, 2006, at 8:34 AM, Jane Jordan (gmail) wrote: > Has anyone tried running Speakup on the Mac? Will it work? I want > to try using it with the terminal we have, but not sure if it can be > done. Anyone tried it? Will it work with Mac voices, or will I have > to get a differnt synthesizer or what? :) > > Jane > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* Re: running Speakup on the Mac ` Jacob Schmude @ ` Jane Jordan (gmail) ` bob ` Sean M McMahon 1 sibling, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread From: Jane Jordan (gmail) @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. I have plenty of time, so go ahead. I understand about Finals. Mine start on may 1. Jane On Apr 12, 2006, at 11:25 AM, Jacob Schmude wrote: > Hi > Speakup is a Linux screen reader which operates at the kernel level. > Thus, it requires Linux and is not capable of running on OS X (or any > other OS for that matter), it would have to be completely rewritten > to allow this. However, I'd be willing to bet that YASR, another UNIX > screen reader, could be made to work though you'd need a hardware > synthesizer to use it unless support for Apple voices could be worked > in, which is probably possible though using those at the same time as > VO would probably cause the same conflict as most other speaking apps > attempting to do this. YASR isn't as robust as speakup but it can do > most things, and it already compiles on FreeBSD. I'll work on this, > if someone doesn't do it first, when I get the time which should be > in a few weeks once finals are over. It shouldn't be too much work, > as it operates at the shell level itself, it doesn't need anything > from the OS other than to open a PTY to read the output. Would be > nice to have terminal reading automatically. > > > On Apr 12, 2006, at 8:34 AM, Jane Jordan (gmail) wrote: > >> Has anyone tried running Speakup on the Mac? Will it work? I want >> to try using it with the terminal we have, but not sure if it can be >> done. Anyone tried it? Will it work with Mac voices, or will I have >> to get a differnt synthesizer or what? :) >> >> Jane >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Speakup mailing list >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* Re: running Speakup on the Mac ` Jane Jordan (gmail) @ ` bob 0 siblings, 0 replies; 11+ messages in thread From: bob @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. > >> Has anyone tried running Speakup on the Mac? Will it work? I want > >> to try using it with the terminal we have, but not sure if it can be > >> done. Anyone tried it? Will it work with Mac voices, or will I have > >> to get a differnt synthesizer or what? :) > >> > >> Jane > >> If you are prepared to dual-boot, you could put Yellow Dog Linux on your Mac. In theory (at least) it should be possible to build that kernel with Speakup. Bob. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* Re: running Speakup on the Mac ` Jacob Schmude ` Jane Jordan (gmail) @ ` Sean M McMahon ` cross-compiling a kernel, was: " Gregory Nowak 1 sibling, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread From: Sean M McMahon @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. some have also made efforts to make emacspeak run on the mac. Consolte the emacspeak list to see if they were successful. My tangental question to this thread is how to you roll your own kernels for such platforms as the mac or 64-bit systems? I didn't see this explained in the kernel howto and I didn't se an explanation on how to cross-compile a kernel. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* cross-compiling a kernel, was: Re: running Speakup on the Mac ` Sean M McMahon @ ` Gregory Nowak ` Igor Gueths 0 siblings, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread From: Gregory Nowak @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 You first either get a pre-compiled tool chain, or you build your own, which is not as bad as it sounds, just be sure you have a very fast system, and have something else to do while your machine does its thing. Now, assuming you wanted to for example go through make config for the x86_64 architecture, you'd do: make ARCH=x86_64 config Doing make modules, and make modules_install would go the same way. As for building the actual kernel, that seems to differ from target to target. For some targets, you do make linux, for others you do make, and probably for some you do something else. Someone once told me that the tool chain that comes with modern gnu/linux distributions is ready to cross-compile for all other supported targets, but I don't know if that's true or not. Hth. Greg On Wed, Apr 12, 2006 at 10:19:34AM -0700, Sean M McMahon wrote: > some have also made efforts to make emacspeak run on the mac. Consolte > the emacspeak list to see if they were successful. My tangental question > to this thread is how to you roll your own kernels for such platforms as > the mac or 64-bit systems? I didn't see this explained in the kernel > howto and I didn't se an explanation on how to cross-compile a kernel. > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup - -- web site: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org gpg public key: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org/pubkey.asc skype: gregn1 (authorization required, add me to your contacts list first) - -- Free domains: http://www.eu.org/ or mail dns-manager@EU.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFEPUCK7s9z/XlyUyARAlmCAKCkZ33uAg7ZIrUavJCu++Z4ztuPHQCfQ5B8 o9NypFkiQkZxZm4IshrqNr4= =I3PH -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* Re: cross-compiling a kernel, was: Re: running Speakup on the Mac ` cross-compiling a kernel, was: " Gregory Nowak @ ` Igor Gueths ` Gregory Nowak 0 siblings, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread From: Igor Gueths @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 Hey Greg. Afaik its not possible to have a toolchain that will cross-compile to any target; how did you prehaps find out otherwise? On Wed, Apr 12, 2006 at 11:01:46AM -0700, Gregory Nowak wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > You first either get a pre-compiled tool chain, or you build your own, > which is not as bad as it sounds, just be sure you have a very fast > system, and have something else to do while your machine does its > thing. > > Now, assuming you wanted to for example go through make config for the > x86_64 architecture, you'd do: > > make ARCH=x86_64 config > > Doing make modules, and make modules_install would go the same way. As > for building the actual kernel, that seems to differ from target to > target. For some targets, you do make linux, for others you do make, > and probably for some you do something else. > > Someone once told me that the tool chain that comes with modern > gnu/linux distributions is ready to cross-compile for all other > supported targets, but I don't know if that's true or not. Hth. > > Greg > > > > > On Wed, Apr 12, 2006 at 10:19:34AM -0700, Sean M McMahon wrote: > > some have also made efforts to make emacspeak run on the mac. Consolte > > the emacspeak list to see if they were successful. My tangental question > > to this thread is how to you roll your own kernels for such platforms as > > the mac or 64-bit systems? I didn't see this explained in the kernel > > howto and I didn't se an explanation on how to cross-compile a kernel. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > - -- > web site: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org > gpg public key: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org/pubkey.asc > skype: gregn1 > (authorization required, add me to your contacts list first) > > - -- > Free domains: http://www.eu.org/ or mail dns-manager@EU.org > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQFEPUCK7s9z/XlyUyARAlmCAKCkZ33uAg7ZIrUavJCu++Z4ztuPHQCfQ5B8 > o9NypFkiQkZxZm4IshrqNr4= > =I3PH > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup - -- Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both. - -- Benjamin Franklin -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iQIVAwUBRD1hHqe2pgKIdGq4AQpVLA//VUdct02URwaDgQySHG2Ze/M64Hi0mxdk 3P8lLnIlgj6MYvDZ6hnqPAPw3LM/F4znE0tQmcfv3sQQ81I5vweLpk5I2HogRSOW gXBdvYaYB/egDU+ENPB4HhYD/pxUqDqQStbTGFvc2Bpqi4rucp4TRAfssc5O+VIS mcLyJuTmpRPAxmA7JE65fKeYa4W7YIo/tiGA0adqsQ8xFJKgpCmygrOOeU1g5lTP X5axVBELQMc4TLFN/dCKXNaTE/buVTou3RJM2HEq7WGyg7iBHMhskOhfMZdNIknV bvo+7Y2mX3onvhNW3URCNrVCKuvGg+8wdqM3OcPfdEyMTfufjCWTmCgu3cLfc1X7 xo/wJvRXQQ022TZTotdDX+C+6ZFstMKZkeUoGEz9Gvx3kcZiqPBs0CC8ybMOvYIK 6FTJK/wapmdvHzKALoSbME6+ozjSuQTLb4MxgGBOX4wFPPLrXBMUliPvzDFI8ZFK vJDscA3Xmo84WvJPoST7Z5Dj2a600sUddHb59Okrc2ZUlh8Dov3W+fTT1QCg1Gu0 zL2t2zaHfrLYgCNDafZEJdzimGg+95dkcdJ03wPn/5a5xHnAgBir2CZZcp88Lacf yRkgvZXvo2yEygsDFwSkBD9VKRYSZWTgHHOasijdE1Yrl/klIeu5vrBUQL1iKINX Cf1VctJDq/o= =Od9D -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* Re: cross-compiling a kernel, was: Re: running Speakup on the Mac ` Igor Gueths @ ` Gregory Nowak ` Igor Gueths 0 siblings, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread From: Gregory Nowak @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Like I said, that's what someone told me. No, I doubted that such a thing is possible, but I thought I'd mention it, just in case my doubts were incorrect, and it did turn out to be possible. Thanks for confirming though that it's not. Greg On Wed, Apr 12, 2006 at 04:20:46PM -0400, Igor Gueths wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA512 > > Hey Greg. Afaik its not possible to have a toolchain that will cross-compile to any target; how did you prehaps find out otherwise? - -- web site: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org gpg public key: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org/pubkey.asc skype: gregn1 (authorization required, add me to your contacts list first) - -- Free domains: http://www.eu.org/ or mail dns-manager@EU.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFEPWp07s9z/XlyUyARAgPnAKDaLnI4Yr+CZ1/eRsgJpIYdIVX6iACggdYC ij7mFmNV5horHXW+8RudrR8= =No9m -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* Re: cross-compiling a kernel, was: Re: running Speakup on the Mac ` Gregory Nowak @ ` Igor Gueths 0 siblings, 0 replies; 11+ messages in thread From: Igor Gueths @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 Hi. Your question brings up an interesting point though...In Binutils, one is able to pass --enable-targets=all to its configure script; I've always wondered what exactly that the 'all' option was for, and my answer has always been for disassembling (using objdump) of various binary formats. Does that sound about accurate, or is there something I'm missing? Thanks. On Wed, Apr 12, 2006 at 02:00:36PM -0700, Gregory Nowak wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Like I said, that's what someone told me. No, I doubted that such a > thing is possible, but I thought I'd mention it, just in case my > doubts were incorrect, and it did turn out to be possible. Thanks for > confirming though that it's not. > > Greg > > > On Wed, Apr 12, 2006 at 04:20:46PM -0400, Igor Gueths wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA512 > > > > Hey Greg. Afaik its not possible to have a toolchain that will cross-compile to any target; how did you prehaps find out otherwise? > > - -- > web site: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org > gpg public key: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org/pubkey.asc > skype: gregn1 > (authorization required, add me to your contacts list first) > > - -- > Free domains: http://www.eu.org/ or mail dns-manager@EU.org > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQFEPWp07s9z/XlyUyARAgPnAKDaLnI4Yr+CZ1/eRsgJpIYdIVX6iACggdYC > ij7mFmNV5horHXW+8RudrR8= > =No9m > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup - -- Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both. - -- Benjamin Franklin -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iQIVAwUBRD26Q6e2pgKIdGq4AQo/5w//dibDPavHPtXn9mTLmExQearc82Tf4bSX uuW1Zbo6kZ39NRwvWTdQvRPJ+qzxDf7nTVozxHaHvRQUSdwP/yiBjOhvDmLAKU+9 t7EHvR1kxV6aSzQ9AOBS8zg84VeZBEyr7qR3yb5XRMeczPEEuAlMDCZMOe3X8JZI mq+7CEgo5ZhRW9r37yxDtXjGA7zRxPx9pWmFrgm+Di0V8HuMPoV8mHwlUOaGXJlb jGuMn6wBuCFMp0+iQCXINczLE84C7NJJlJtEnfTqJL2SY+/cFtCjbQasFHj+une5 1S21xIseSvk5vUq7+vI9LxGXgUWswIfMj185M7TojxPBlQB811tHjQEdrFf1/0wT MXUfXx5uVE1I8UC4dLizePYWU+ubcgp+iTHDhCY4b3vA0ddHZM5gMfuoX7oIOwWi fNzTdojI96KGvITBgLqAszJHtdIpgFaoo8q0cUf7lVfXxrHDFWr8xPdchYJ2R/j0 Si60NJ/vWGHUCpwYznOO7tix0GZPQAJ38pN/i8zQBIzeiXhMWIopNC6NJNnvOVDB azRHSEh0j3uoWVopK5cUW+GLHiGARySkOvQI9fJ1vS/H9CIEmFdaj/vQ4Yn4Yuta Gf2pBCqQ3NFZHlQOgWviCPkdZ+kJ/2otMX8KFxSUmTe70Pu4hJDXAIQNtn/YEh0H 1A07hOP5xno= =6umy -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* Re: running Speakup on the Mac running Speakup on the Mac Jane Jordan (gmail) ` Jacob Schmude @ ` ace ` Luke Yelavich 2 siblings, 0 replies; 11+ messages in thread From: ace @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I do not believe that it will work because it patches into the Linux kernel. On Wed, Apr 12, 2006 at 10:34:57AM -0500, Jane Jordan (gmail) wrote: > Has anyone tried running Speakup on the Mac? Will it work? I want > to try using it with the terminal we have, but not sure if it can be > done. Anyone tried it? Will it work with Mac voices, or will I have > to get a differnt synthesizer or what? :) > > Jane > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFEPTchwamDI1Gy2GIRAta2AJ0Rt2F3z71hxZI+I1tX27vb7yMvcACfYNFV 2fXbJ8cnowCVj7HlAkPulK8= =AsCd -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* Re: running Speakup on the Mac running Speakup on the Mac Jane Jordan (gmail) ` Jacob Schmude ` ace @ ` Luke Yelavich 2 siblings, 0 replies; 11+ messages in thread From: Luke Yelavich @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, Apr 13, 2006 at 01:34:57AM EST, Jane Jordan (gmail) wrote: > Has anyone tried running Speakup on the Mac? Will it work? I want > to try using it with the terminal we have, but not sure if it can be > done. Anyone tried it? Will it work with Mac voices, or will I have > to get a differnt synthesizer or what? :) I have tried it, and indeed it did work, to an extent. I was using speech dispatcher, speechd-up and flite, but was able to get it to speak. However, at the time, it did not speak any new info that was displayed on the console, but screen review keys allowed you to review the console and get spoken feedback. It has been several months since I tried it, so things may have changed since then. - -- Luke Yelavich GPG key: 0xD06320CE (http://www.themuso.com/themuso-gpg-key.txt) Email & MSN: themuso@themuso.com ICQ: 18444344 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFEPXoZjVefwtBjIM4RAjNoAKDx0aNrfoJy9WRh+QbnFvQZO5cK0ACghIBU e5GLqNqjmJ8ejJB7TRVHIB0= =WPFC -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
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