running Speakup on the Mac

running Speakup on the Mac

[Jane Jordan (gmail)]

Has anyone tried running Speakup on the Mac?  Will it work?  I want  
to try using it with the terminal we have, but not sure if it can be  
done.  Anyone tried it?  Will it work with Mac voices, or will I have  
to get a differnt synthesizer or what? :)

Jane

Re: running Speakup on the Mac

[Jane Jordan (gmail)]

I have plenty of time, so go ahead.  I understand about Finals.  Mine  
start on may 1.

Jane


On Apr 12, 2006, at 11:25 AM, Jacob Schmude wrote:

> Hi
> Speakup is a Linux screen reader which operates at the kernel level.
> Thus, it requires Linux and is not capable of running on OS X (or any
> other OS for that matter), it would have to be completely rewritten
> to allow this. However, I'd be willing to bet that YASR, another UNIX
> screen reader, could be made to work though you'd need a hardware
> synthesizer to use it unless support for Apple voices could be worked
> in, which is probably possible though using those at the same time as
> VO would probably cause the same conflict as most other speaking apps
> attempting to do this. YASR isn't as robust as speakup but it can do
> most things, and it already compiles on FreeBSD. I'll work on this,
> if someone doesn't do it first, when I get the time which should be
> in a few weeks once finals are over. It shouldn't be too much work,
> as it operates at the shell level itself, it doesn't need anything
> from the OS other than to open a PTY to read the output. Would be
> nice to have terminal reading automatically.
>
>
> On Apr 12, 2006, at 8:34 AM, Jane Jordan (gmail) wrote:
>
>> Has anyone tried running Speakup on the Mac?  Will it work?  I want
>> to try using it with the terminal we have, but not sure if it can be
>> done.  Anyone tried it?  Will it work with Mac voices, or will I have
>> to get a differnt synthesizer or what? :)
>>
>> Jane
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Speakup mailing list
>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
>
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Re: running Speakup on the Mac

[Jacob Schmude]

Hi
Speakup is a Linux screen reader which operates at the kernel level.  
Thus, it requires Linux and is not capable of running on OS X (or any  
other OS for that matter), it would have to be completely rewritten  
to allow this. However, I'd be willing to bet that YASR, another UNIX  
screen reader, could be made to work though you'd need a hardware  
synthesizer to use it unless support for Apple voices could be worked  
in, which is probably possible though using those at the same time as  
VO would probably cause the same conflict as most other speaking apps  
attempting to do this. YASR isn't as robust as speakup but it can do  
most things, and it already compiles on FreeBSD. I'll work on this,  
if someone doesn't do it first, when I get the time which should be  
in a few weeks once finals are over. It shouldn't be too much work,  
as it operates at the shell level itself, it doesn't need anything  
from the OS other than to open a PTY to read the output. Would be  
nice to have terminal reading automatically.


On Apr 12, 2006, at 8:34 AM, Jane Jordan (gmail) wrote:

> Has anyone tried running Speakup on the Mac?  Will it work?  I want
> to try using it with the terminal we have, but not sure if it can be
> done.  Anyone tried it?  Will it work with Mac voices, or will I have
> to get a differnt synthesizer or what? :)
>
> Jane
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: running Speakup on the Mac

[bob]

> >> Has anyone tried running Speakup on the Mac?  Will it work?  I want
> >> to try using it with the terminal we have, but not sure if it can be
> >> done.  Anyone tried it?  Will it work with Mac voices, or will I have
> >> to get a differnt synthesizer or what? :)
> >>
> >> Jane
> >>

If you are prepared to dual-boot, you could put Yellow Dog Linux on
your Mac. In theory (at least) it should be possible to build that
kernel with Speakup.

Bob.

Re: running Speakup on the Mac

[Sean M McMahon]

some have also made efforts to make emacspeak run on the mac.  Consolte 
the emacspeak list to see if they were successful.  My tangental question 
to this thread is how to you roll your own kernels for such platforms as 
the mac or 64-bit systems?  I didn't see this explained in the kernel 
howto and I didn't se an explanation on how to cross-compile a kernel.

Re: running Speakup on the Mac

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I do not believe that it will work because it patches into the Linux
kernel.

On Wed, Apr 12, 2006 at 10:34:57AM -0500, Jane Jordan (gmail) wrote:
> Has anyone tried running Speakup on the Mac?  Will it work?  I want  
> to try using it with the terminal we have, but not sure if it can be  
> done.  Anyone tried it?  Will it work with Mac voices, or will I have  
> to get a differnt synthesizer or what? :)
> 
> Jane
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 
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cross-compiling a kernel, was: Re: running Speakup on the Mac

[Gregory Nowak]

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You first either get a pre-compiled tool chain, or you build your own,
which is not as bad as it sounds, just be sure you have a very fast
system, and have something else to do while your machine does its
thing.

Now, assuming you wanted to for example go through make config for the
x86_64 architecture, you'd do:

make ARCH=x86_64 config

Doing make modules, and make modules_install would go the same way. As
for building the actual kernel, that seems to differ from target to
target. For some targets, you do make linux, for others you do make,
and probably for some you do something else.

Someone once told me that the tool chain that comes with modern
gnu/linux distributions is ready to cross-compile for all other
supported targets, but I don't know if that's true or not. Hth.

Greg




On Wed, Apr 12, 2006 at 10:19:34AM -0700, Sean M McMahon wrote:
> some have also made efforts to make emacspeak run on the mac.  Consolte 
> the emacspeak list to see if they were successful.  My tangental question 
> to this thread is how to you roll your own kernels for such platforms as 
> the mac or 64-bit systems?  I didn't see this explained in the kernel 
> howto and I didn't se an explanation on how to cross-compile a kernel.
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

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Re: cross-compiling a kernel, was: Re: running Speakup on the Mac

[Igor Gueths]

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Hey Greg. Afaik its not possible to have a toolchain that will cross-compile to any target; how did you prehaps find out otherwise?
On Wed, Apr 12, 2006 at 11:01:46AM -0700, Gregory Nowak wrote:
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> You first either get a pre-compiled tool chain, or you build your own,
> which is not as bad as it sounds, just be sure you have a very fast
> system, and have something else to do while your machine does its
> thing.
> 
> Now, assuming you wanted to for example go through make config for the
> x86_64 architecture, you'd do:
> 
> make ARCH=x86_64 config
> 
> Doing make modules, and make modules_install would go the same way. As
> for building the actual kernel, that seems to differ from target to
> target. For some targets, you do make linux, for others you do make,
> and probably for some you do something else.
> 
> Someone once told me that the tool chain that comes with modern
> gnu/linux distributions is ready to cross-compile for all other
> supported targets, but I don't know if that's true or not. Hth.
> 
> Greg
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, Apr 12, 2006 at 10:19:34AM -0700, Sean M McMahon wrote:
> > some have also made efforts to make emacspeak run on the mac.  Consolte 
> > the emacspeak list to see if they were successful.  My tangental question 
> > to this thread is how to you roll your own kernels for such platforms as 
> > the mac or 64-bit systems?  I didn't see this explained in the kernel 
> > howto and I didn't se an explanation on how to cross-compile a kernel.
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 
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Re: cross-compiling a kernel, was: Re: running Speakup on the Mac

[Gregory Nowak]

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Like I said, that's what someone told me. No, I doubted that such a
thing is possible, but I thought I'd mention it, just in case my
doubts were incorrect, and it did turn out to be possible. Thanks for
confirming though that it's not.

Greg


On Wed, Apr 12, 2006 at 04:20:46PM -0400, Igor Gueths wrote:
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> Hey Greg. Afaik its not possible to have a toolchain that will cross-compile to any target; how did you prehaps find out otherwise?

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Re: running Speakup on the Mac

[Luke Yelavich]

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On Thu, Apr 13, 2006 at 01:34:57AM EST, Jane Jordan (gmail) wrote:
> Has anyone tried running Speakup on the Mac?  Will it work?  I want  
> to try using it with the terminal we have, but not sure if it can be  
> done.  Anyone tried it?  Will it work with Mac voices, or will I have  
> to get a differnt synthesizer or what? :)

I have tried it, and indeed it did work, to an extent. I was using 
speech dispatcher, speechd-up and flite, but was able to get it to 
speak. However, at the time, it did not speak any new info that was 
displayed on the console, but screen review keys allowed you to review 
the console and get spoken feedback. It has been several months since I 
tried it, so things may have changed since then.
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Re: cross-compiling a kernel, was: Re: running Speakup on the Mac

[Igor Gueths]

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Hi. Your question brings up an interesting point though...In Binutils, one is able to pass --enable-targets=all to its configure script; I've always wondered what exactly that the 'all' option 
was for, and my answer has always been for disassembling (using objdump) of various binary formats. Does that sound about accurate, or is there something I'm missing? Thanks.
On Wed, Apr 12, 2006 at 02:00:36PM -0700, Gregory Nowak wrote:
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> Like I said, that's what someone told me. No, I doubted that such a
> thing is possible, but I thought I'd mention it, just in case my
> doubts were incorrect, and it did turn out to be possible. Thanks for
> confirming though that it's not.
> 
> Greg
> 
> 
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> > Hey Greg. Afaik its not possible to have a toolchain that will cross-compile to any target; how did you prehaps find out otherwise?
> 
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