hello listers

hello listers

[Eric Kosten]

My name is Eric and I have been here here and again.  I am back up on linux
with a new hdd.  I installed the alsa-base package with apt-get install
alsa-base.  It also installed alsa utils.  I know that I have an sonic
impact a3d pci card.  I am using the kernel 2.4.27 debian, the cd from the
speakup page.  What do I need to do now?
thanks
Eric

alsa in Debian using the stock 2.4.27 kernel wasRe: hello listers

[Kenny Hitt]

Hi.

You should upgrade to a 2.6 kernel.  Since there isn't a Debian packaged
2.6 kernel with speakup in Debian, you will need to build your own.

Hope this helps.

          Kenny
	  
On Mon, Apr 11, 2005 at 09:32:43PM -0400, Eric Kosten wrote:
> My name is Eric and I have been here here and again.  I am back up on linux
> with a new hdd.  I installed the alsa-base package with apt-get install
> alsa-base.  It also installed alsa utils.  I know that I have an sonic
> impact a3d pci card.  I am using the kernel 2.4.27 debian, the cd from the
> speakup page.  What do I need to do now?
> thanks
> Eric
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

RE: alsa in Debian using the stock 2.4.27 kernel wasRe: hello listers

[Eric Kosten]

Seeing as I am new to linux, how might a newby rebuild the kernel with alsa
and speakup included?

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From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca
[mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca]On Behalf Of Kenny Hitt
Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 3:23 AM
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
Subject: alsa in Debian using the stock 2.4.27 kernel wasRe: hello
listers


Hi.

You should upgrade to a 2.6 kernel.  Since there isn't a Debian packaged
2.6 kernel with speakup in Debian, you will need to build your own.

Hope this helps.

          Kenny

On Mon, Apr 11, 2005 at 09:32:43PM -0400, Eric Kosten wrote:
> My name is Eric and I have been here here and again.  I am back up on
linux
> with a new hdd.  I installed the alsa-base package with apt-get install
> alsa-base.  It also installed alsa utils.  I know that I have an sonic
> impact a3d pci card.  I am using the kernel 2.4.27 debian, the cd from the
> speakup page.  What do I need to do now?
> thanks
> Eric
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

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Re: alsa in Debian using the stock 2.4.27 kernel wasRe: hello listers

[Kenny Hitt]

Hi.

I use the program found in Debian called kernel-package to build my
kernels.  It compiles the kernel and produces a Debian package.  This
package isn't official, but I find it useful to create local packages of
my kernels so I can easily keep track of what I have installed in
aptitude.

Download a tarball of kernel source from kernel.org.  Checkout speakup
from the speakup CVS using the checkout script on the speakup web site.
Configure your kernel for your system.  Finally type

make-kpkg kernel_image

If it finishes with no errors, you will have .deb package in the parent
directory.
just type

dpkg -i packagename

as root to install.  Reboot and hope you configured the kernel with all
important hardware support.

Hope this helps.
          Kenny
	  
On Tue, Apr 12, 2005 at 08:40:58AM -0400, Eric Kosten wrote:
> Seeing as I am new to linux, how might a newby rebuild the kernel with alsa
> and speakup included?
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca
> [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca]On Behalf Of Kenny Hitt
> Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 3:23 AM
> To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
> Subject: alsa in Debian using the stock 2.4.27 kernel wasRe: hello
> listers
> 
> 
> Hi.
> 
> You should upgrade to a 2.6 kernel.  Since there isn't a Debian packaged
> 2.6 kernel with speakup in Debian, you will need to build your own.
> 
> Hope this helps.
> 
>           Kenny
> 
> On Mon, Apr 11, 2005 at 09:32:43PM -0400, Eric Kosten wrote:
> > My name is Eric and I have been here here and again.  I am back up on
> linux
> > with a new hdd.  I installed the alsa-base package with apt-get install
> > alsa-base.  It also installed alsa utils.  I know that I have an sonic
> > impact a3d pci card.  I am using the kernel 2.4.27 debian, the cd from the
> > speakup page.  What do I need to do now?
> > thanks
> > Eric
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 
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RE: alsa in Debian using the stock 2.4.27 kernel wasRe: hello listers

[Eric Kosten]

Kenny:
Hi.

I use the program found in Debian called kernel-package to build my
kernels.  It compiles the kernel and produces a Debian package.  This
package isn't official, but I find it useful to create local packages of
my kernels so I can easily keep track of what I have installed in
aptitude.

Eric:
Kernel-package packages my 2.4.27 kernel?? Does this allow me to then keep
an immage of the kernel for a "fall-back form"?
Kenny:
Download a tarball of kernel source from kernel.org.  Checkout speakup
from the speakup CVS using the checkout script on the speakup web site.
Configure your kernel for your system.  Finally type

make-kpkg kernel_image
Eric:
kernel immage being the 2.6.11.7 kernel source tree that I just downloaded??
file name: patch-2.6.11.7.bz2
Kenny:
If it finishes with no errors, you will have .deb package in the parent
directory.
just type

dpkg -i packagename

This is rather confusing since I have built a total of 2 kernels and this
with the help of a friend.
-----Original Message-----
From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca
[mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca]On Behalf Of Kenny Hitt
Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 10:55 AM
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
Subject: Re: alsa in Debian using the stock 2.4.27 kernel wasRe: hello
listers


Hi.

I use the program found in Debian called kernel-package to build my
kernels.  It compiles the kernel and produces a Debian package.  This
package isn't official, but I find it useful to create local packages of
my kernels so I can easily keep track of what I have installed in
aptitude.

Download a tarball of kernel source from kernel.org.  Checkout speakup
from the speakup CVS using the checkout script on the speakup web site.
Configure your kernel for your system.  Finally type

make-kpkg kernel_image

If it finishes with no errors, you will have .deb package in the parent
directory.
just type

dpkg -i packagename

as root to install.  Reboot and hope you configured the kernel with all
important hardware support.

Hope this helps.
          Kenny

On Tue, Apr 12, 2005 at 08:40:58AM -0400, Eric Kosten wrote:
> Seeing as I am new to linux, how might a newby rebuild the kernel with
alsa
> and speakup included?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca
> [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca]On Behalf Of Kenny Hitt
> Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 3:23 AM
> To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
> Subject: alsa in Debian using the stock 2.4.27 kernel wasRe: hello
> listers
>
>
> Hi.
>
> You should upgrade to a 2.6 kernel.  Since there isn't a Debian packaged
> 2.6 kernel with speakup in Debian, you will need to build your own.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
>           Kenny
>
> On Mon, Apr 11, 2005 at 09:32:43PM -0400, Eric Kosten wrote:
> > My name is Eric and I have been here here and again.  I am back up on
> linux
> > with a new hdd.  I installed the alsa-base package with apt-get install
> > alsa-base.  It also installed alsa utils.  I know that I have an sonic
> > impact a3d pci card.  I am using the kernel 2.4.27 debian, the cd from
the
> > speakup page.  What do I need to do now?
> > thanks
> > Eric
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
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Re: alsa in Debian using the stock 2.4.27 kernel wasRe: hello listers

[Kenny Hitt]

Hi.

On Tue, Apr 12, 2005 at 11:14:26AM -0400, Eric Kosten wrote:

> Kernel-package packages my 2.4.27 kernel?? Does this allow me to then keep
> an immage of the kernel for a "fall-back form"?

Yes.

> kernel immage being the 2.6.11.7 kernel source tree that I just downloaded??
> file name: patch-2.6.11.7.bz2


Did you download linux-2.6.11.7.bz2?
I believe the files from kernel.org that start with patch are used to
update an existing 2.6 kernel source of an earlier version to the new
version.  Since you are going from 2.4.27, you should download
linux-2.6.11.7.tar.bz2.

> This is rather confusing since I have built a total of 2 kernels and this
> with the help of a friend.

I'm guessing, but your friend probably built the kernel the way
described in the docs that come in the kernel source tree.  This will
work on Debian, but you will have to do some things manually that will
be done for you using the kernel-package program.

One example is if you used grub as your boot loader.  the "make install"
command doesn't understand Debian's grub, so you will have to edit
/boot/grub/menu.lst manually after you are done.  The kernel-package is
a Debian program, so it knows about Debian's grub.

Hope this helps.
          Kenny

RE: alsa in Debian using the stock 2.4.27 kernel wasRe: hello listers

[Eric Kosten]

Ok Kenny, you are most helpful.  Now, I have the source linux-2.6.11.7
tar.gz file unzipped to a directory.  Is the following correct for the
source tree: unzipped to /usr/src??
Now, if I am getting this correct, I need to run make config on this new
source to modify it for my hardware?? From where do I run make config?
Eric

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From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca
[mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca]On Behalf Of Kenny Hitt
Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 7:14 AM
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
Subject: Re: alsa in Debian using the stock 2.4.27 kernel wasRe: hello
listers


Hi.

On Tue, Apr 12, 2005 at 11:14:26AM -0400, Eric Kosten wrote:

> Kernel-package packages my 2.4.27 kernel?? Does this allow me to then keep
> an immage of the kernel for a "fall-back form"?

Yes.

> kernel immage being the 2.6.11.7 kernel source tree that I just
downloaded??
> file name: patch-2.6.11.7.bz2


Did you download linux-2.6.11.7.bz2?
I believe the files from kernel.org that start with patch are used to
update an existing 2.6 kernel source of an earlier version to the new
version.  Since you are going from 2.4.27, you should download
linux-2.6.11.7.tar.bz2.

> This is rather confusing since I have built a total of 2 kernels and this
> with the help of a friend.

I'm guessing, but your friend probably built the kernel the way
described in the docs that come in the kernel source tree.  This will
work on Debian, but you will have to do some things manually that will
be done for you using the kernel-package program.

One example is if you used grub as your boot loader.  the "make install"
command doesn't understand Debian's grub, so you will have to edit
/boot/grub/menu.lst manually after you are done.  The kernel-package is
a Debian program, so it knows about Debian's grub.

Hope this helps.
          Kenny


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Re: alsa in Debian using the stock 2.4.27 kernel wasRe: hello listers

[Kenny Hitt]

Hi.
Putting the kernel source in /usr/src is considered a bad idea now days,
but it shouldn't hurt. I build my kernels as my normal user and extract
the source to a directory called kernels in my home dir.

Before you run make config, don't forget to patch the source with
speakup using the checkout script from the speakup web site.

If you stick with your current example, you would run make config while
you are in /usr/src/linux-2.6.11.7

You should also run the checkout script in the same dir.

Hope this helps.
          Kenny
	  

Re: alsa in Debian using the stock 2.4.27 kernel wasRe: hello listers

[Gregory Nowak]

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> Putting the kernel source in /usr/src is considered a bad idea now days,
> but it shouldn't hurt. 

Why, and where should it be put now?

Greg


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Re: alsa in Debian using the stock 2.4.27 kernel wasRe: hello listers

[Kenny Hitt]

Hi.

On Wed, Apr 13, 2005 at 08:41:26AM -0500, Gregory Nowak wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 13, 2005 at 08:36:22AM -0500, Kenny Hitt wrote:
> > Putting the kernel source in /usr/src is considered a bad idea now days,
> > but it shouldn't hurt. 
> 
> Why, and where should it be put now?
> 

Can't remember the reason.  
I believe I read it in the README in te top level of a
source tree.  I am running low on disk space, so I deleted my kernel
source to make room for building Gnome sources.

          Kenny

Re: alsa in Debian using the stock 2.4.27 kernel wasRe: hello listers

[Steve Holmes]

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On Wed, Apr 13, 2005 at 09:11:00AM -0500, Kenny Hitt wrote:
> Hi.
> 
> > Why, and where should it be put now?
> > 
> 
> Can't remember the reason.  
> I believe I read it in the README in te top level of a
> source tree.  I am running low on disk space, so I deleted my kernel
> source to make room for building Gnome sources.
 
The reason given in that README file makes mention of /usr/src/linux
used as a source could overlay existing include headers need for kernel
compilation.  Well Slackware if I recall, sym links its kernel include
headers elseware so a /usr/src/linux kernel tree should be less harmful.
What I do now is extract kernel source into /usr/src and leave  the name
as linux-2.6.11.7 or whatever version and symlink linux to this new
version after I compiled the kernel.  I preserve the name linux for
installation of modules and such.  I notice now that the README also
mentions how you can specify the output directory so I guess
/usr/src/linux could pretty much go away if you want.  The main thing
here is referencing the proper include headers for the compiler you're
using.  

Hope this isn't too confusing and hope I'm halfway right:).
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Re: alsa in Debian using the stock 2.4.27 kernel wasRe:hello listers

[Sean McMahon]

One other thing, the command really is make-kpkg kernel_image  kernel_image is
not being used as the substitute for some other file name.  Sourceforge has a
newbedoc project with a doc for kernel-package.  I can send the url to you if
you like.  Kenny, do you know what the kernel-tree and kernel-build packages are
used fore?
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From: "Kenny Hitt" <kenny@hittsjunk.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 4:14 AM
Subject: Re: alsa in Debian using the stock 2.4.27 kernel wasRe:hello listers


> Hi.
>
> On Tue, Apr 12, 2005 at 11:14:26AM -0400, Eric Kosten wrote:
>
> > Kernel-package packages my 2.4.27 kernel?? Does this allow me to then keep
> > an immage of the kernel for a "fall-back form"?
>
> Yes.
>
> > kernel immage being the 2.6.11.7 kernel source tree that I just downloaded??
> > file name: patch-2.6.11.7.bz2
>
>
> Did you download linux-2.6.11.7.bz2?
> I believe the files from kernel.org that start with patch are used to
> update an existing 2.6 kernel source of an earlier version to the new
> version.  Since you are going from 2.4.27, you should download
> linux-2.6.11.7.tar.bz2.
>
> > This is rather confusing since I have built a total of 2 kernels and this
> > with the help of a friend.
>
> I'm guessing, but your friend probably built the kernel the way
> described in the docs that come in the kernel source tree.  This will
> work on Debian, but you will have to do some things manually that will
> be done for you using the kernel-package program.
>
> One example is if you used grub as your boot loader.  the "make install"
> command doesn't understand Debian's grub, so you will have to edit
> /boot/grub/menu.lst manually after you are done.  The kernel-package is
> a Debian program, so it knows about Debian's grub.
>
> Hope this helps.
>           Kenny
>
>
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