frustrated

frustrated

[Glenn at home]

Why is it so hard to get help/info on using Linux?
I have Debian.
I apparently need to recompile my kernel because Alsa cannot control my 
sound card, because Debian has hold of it, but I need to get Debian to not 
control it.
I have spent all day looking on the internet for help, and can find non on 
recompiling the kernel, some examples would be nice.
man pages are often useless for a beginner, as they are too cryptic.
Any help appreciated, as I am about ready to quit Linux.
Glenn

Re: frustrated

[Buddy Brannan]

I'm not sure what you mean exactly by Debian having control of your
soundcard.  

Where are you getting stuck? Have yu downloaded a kernel source
tarball? (It's easy once you know how, but without knowing where
you're falling down, I'm afraid I won't be of much help.) 
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Re: frustrated

[Janina Sajka]

Recompiling isn't going to fix your problem, Glenn. Sorry.

While many of us were forced into learning to compile kernels in the
early days of Speakup, kernel compilation isn't beginner work.
Statements like "recompile" and "hard for beginner" suggest to me you're
just digging yourself deeper into a hole.

Also, statements like:

"I apparently need to recompile my kernel because Alsa cannot control my
> sound card, because Debian has hold of it," further confirm my
> opinion.

But, if you insist, you are certainly free to do as you wish. But, don't
be surprised if some of us stop trying to help you.

Sorry. This isn't exactly a cheery "Happy New Year" kind of message. I
really mean no offense.

Glenn at home writes:
> Why is it so hard to get help/info on using Linux?
> I have Debian.
> I apparently need to recompile my kernel because Alsa cannot control my 
> sound card, because Debian has hold of it, but I need to get Debian to not 
> control it.
> I have spent all day looking on the internet for help, and can find non on 
> recompiling the kernel, some examples would be nice.
> man pages are often useless for a beginner, as they are too cryptic.
> Any help appreciated, as I am about ready to quit Linux.
> Glenn
> 
> 
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Re: frustrated

[Glenn at home]

Well I don't want to recompile the kernel, but I am forced to go to the 
internet and do searches for help, and perhaps it is old info, but it does 
indicate a recompile will fix the problem.
Or I found some info on get-cache for this, but I find little help with man 
on this.
Glenn
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From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@rednote.net>
To: "Glenn at home" <GlennErvin@cableone.net>; "Speakup is a screen review 
system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Friday, December 31, 2004 2:30 PM
Subject: Re: frustrated


Recompiling isn't going to fix your problem, Glenn. Sorry.

While many of us were forced into learning to compile kernels in the
early days of Speakup, kernel compilation isn't beginner work.
Statements like "recompile" and "hard for beginner" suggest to me you're
just digging yourself deeper into a hole.

Also, statements like:

"I apparently need to recompile my kernel because Alsa cannot control my
> sound card, because Debian has hold of it," further confirm my
> opinion.

But, if you insist, you are certainly free to do as you wish. But, don't
be surprised if some of us stop trying to help you.

Sorry. This isn't exactly a cheery "Happy New Year" kind of message. I
really mean no offense.

Glenn at home writes:
> Why is it so hard to get help/info on using Linux?
> I have Debian.
> I apparently need to recompile my kernel because Alsa cannot control my
> sound card, because Debian has hold of it, but I need to get Debian to not
> control it.
> I have spent all day looking on the internet for help, and can find non on
> recompiling the kernel, some examples would be nice.
> man pages are often useless for a beginner, as they are too cryptic.
> Any help appreciated, as I am about ready to quit Linux.
> Glenn
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

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janina@freestandards.org Phone: +1 202.494.7040

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Re: frustrated

[Gregory Nowak]

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Have you considered that your questions haven't gotten many responses here, because a lot of what you're asking about is described in detail out there on the web?

In your web searches, have you looked at tldp.org? There are a lot of good, detailed howtos there, including the kernel building howto for 2.4.x kernels, and may be even for 2.6.x kernels as well. I'd suggest you find that, and read it, and then come back with more specific questions, if you don't understand something in there. 

As for making debian "let go" of your sound card as you put it, so that alsa can take over running it, this is a matter of either unloading the kernel modules controlling your sound card right now, or recompiling your current kernel, if the sound card support is built-in into the kernel you have now.

One more piece of advise. You should be prepared to do lots of reading, and have lots of patience, and keep trying if something doesn't work the first time, until it does. Personally, I've found that the best way to learn gnu/linux for me is to keep trying until I get something to work, instead of always asking for a simple answer, which doesn't help me learn my distribution's, and linux's internal workings. If you aren't prepared to read and be patient, then maybe gnu/linux isn't for you, which is ok, nobody ever said that gnu/linux is for everyone.

Greg


On Fri, Dec 31, 2004 at 01:50:16PM -0600, Glenn at home wrote:
> Why is it so hard to get help/info on using Linux?
> I have Debian.
> I apparently need to recompile my kernel because Alsa cannot control my 
> sound card, because Debian has hold of it, but I need to get Debian to not 
> control it.
> I have spent all day looking on the internet for help, and can find non on 
> recompiling the kernel, some examples would be nice.
> man pages are often useless for a beginner, as they are too cryptic.
> Any help appreciated, as I am about ready to quit Linux.
> Glenn
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> 
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Re: frustrated

[Lorenzo Prince]

What kernel are you running?

If you are running a 2.4.x kernel, try:

apt-get install alsa-modules-<kernel-version>

replacing <kernel-version> with the appropriate version of your kernel.  Then do:

apt-get install alsa-base alsa-oss alsa-utils

and run:

alsaconf

to configure your sound card.

If you are running a 2.6.x kernel, skip the first step, as alsa is a part of the
2.6 kernel.  So all you need to do is:

apt-get install alsa-base alsa-oss alsa-utils
alsaconf

and follow the instructions presented by alsaconf.  Then you will have full alsa
support in Debian.

Happy New Year, and please don't give up on Linux.

PRINCE

Re: frustrated

[Glenn at home]

Hello Lorenzo,
I have done variences of the following from what you suggest:
apt-get install alsa-modules-speakup-2.4.27
apt-get install alsa -modules -speakup-2.4.27
apt-get install alsa-modules-2.4.27
and some other variences.
But I always keep the first part the same:
apt-get install alsa
It cannot find that module

Glenn
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Lorenzo Prince" <lorenzo@prince.homelinux.org>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Friday, December 31, 2004 5:58 PM
Subject: Re: frustrated


What kernel are you running?

If you are running a 2.4.x kernel, try:

apt-get install alsa-modules-<kernel-version>

replacing <kernel-version> with the appropriate version of your kernel. 
Then do:

apt-get install alsa-base alsa-oss alsa-utils

and run:

alsaconf

to configure your sound card.

If you are running a 2.6.x kernel, skip the first step, as alsa is a part of 
the
2.6 kernel.  So all you need to do is:

apt-get install alsa-base alsa-oss alsa-utils
alsaconf

and follow the instructions presented by alsaconf.  Then you will have full 
alsa
support in Debian.

Happy New Year, and please don't give up on Linux.

PRINCE

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Re: frustrated

[Buddy Brannan]

Only trouble is that he's got the Speakup-enabled kernel, and there's no ALSA compiled for 2.4.27-speakup. Might be he can get alsa-drivers-2.4.27 (or whatever it's called) and it'll work, though.
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Re: frustrated

[David Bruzos]

Hi Glenn:
Like I told you before, I have never used Debian, so I really can not 
give you step by step instructions on what to do about this problem.  It 
could be that the kernel you are using does not have alsa support.  The 
2.4 kernels did not have alsa by default.  2.6 kernels have alsa support 
by default.  Maybe, if you try to use OSS instead of ALSA, it will work.
However, you lack the basic understanding about Linux and the way it 
works and that is part of your problem.  The stuff you know about 
drivers from Windows will not help much here.  It will probably create 
more problems, because it will cause you to do things that are not 
necesary.  Maybe, you should consider reading some stuff about Linux in  
general, before you start taking drastic decisions, like compiling the 
kernel, etc.
What I am saying is that the alsa system is not just something you 
install at the user level.  Your kernel must also support the alsa sound 
system for all of the user applications to work properly.  There is no 
such thing as, Debian holding your soundcard 	and alsa not beeing able 
to use it.  There could be conflicts between OSS and ALSA kernel 
modules, but that can be resolved.  Maybe, you should try to get a 2.6 
kernel, or try another distro.  Debian is very flexible, but it can be 
more confusing to the new user.  The price of flexibility is more  room 
for confusion.  Maybe, you should try Fedora Core 3 and later try Debian 
again when you know a little more.
I am not saying that compiling the kernel would not fix your problem.  I 
am just saying that there are much easier and manageable solutions out 
there.  Compiling the kernel requires a good understanding of your 
hardware and of the operating system in general.  It is not just the  
usual, ./configure/make/make install.  You have to configure hundreds of 
options and know the proper setting for each one.

There is plenty of info in the Internet about kernel compilation, so if 
you want to do it just to see how it is done, look there.  I had to 
compile my kernel when I first started using Linux, because there were 
some serious compatibility problems between the Fedora 2 kernel and my 
hardware.  It was not easy though.  I probably configured and tried to 
compile the kernel 50 times before I have a truely working setup.  On 
the flip side of that, once you do it and you understand what is 
happening, you will be able to resolve most kernel related problems with 
relative ease.  Now a days, I compile the kernel for each of my systems 
just for fun and to pick more optimized settings then the defaults.

Sorry about your problem.  I hope you will keep trying.

David Bruzos

On Fri, Dec 31, 2004 at 06:19:02PM -0600, Glenn at home wrote:
> Hello Lorenzo,
> I have done variences of the following from what you suggest:
> apt-get install alsa-modules-speakup-2.4.27
> apt-get install alsa -modules -speakup-2.4.27
> apt-get install alsa-modules-2.4.27
> and some other variences.
> But I always keep the first part the same:
> apt-get install alsa
> It cannot find that module
> 
> Glenn
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Lorenzo Prince" <lorenzo@prince.homelinux.org>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Friday, December 31, 2004 5:58 PM
> Subject: Re: frustrated
> 
> 
> What kernel are you running?
> 
> If you are running a 2.4.x kernel, try:
> 
> apt-get install alsa-modules-<kernel-version>
> 
> replacing <kernel-version> with the appropriate version of your kernel. 
> Then do:
> 
> apt-get install alsa-base alsa-oss alsa-utils
> 
> and run:
> 
> alsaconf
> 
> to configure your sound card.
> 
> If you are running a 2.6.x kernel, skip the first step, as alsa is a part of 
> the
> 2.6 kernel.  So all you need to do is:
> 
> apt-get install alsa-base alsa-oss alsa-utils
> alsaconf
> 
> and follow the instructions presented by alsaconf.  Then you will have full 
> alsa
> support in Debian.
> 
> Happy New Year, and please don't give up on Linux.
> 
> PRINCE
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup 
> 
> 
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Re: frustrated

[Janina Sajka]

Like David, my experience with sound on Debian is far too thin to be of
much use. However, David makes a good point and it should be followed up
on.

You need to discover whether the kernel you have was compiled to support
alsa. Find the configuration file (probably in /boot) that matches your
kernel and do:

grep -i alsa [filename]

It would seem this is the threshold question.



David Bruzos writes:
> Hi Glenn:
> Like I told you before, I have never used Debian, so I really can not 
> give you step by step instructions on what to do about this problem.  It 
> could be that the kernel you are using does not have alsa support.  The 
> 2.4 kernels did not have alsa by default.  2.6 kernels have alsa support 
> by default.  Maybe, if you try to use OSS instead of ALSA, it will work.
> However, you lack the basic understanding about Linux and the way it 
> works and that is part of your problem.  The stuff you know about 
> drivers from Windows will not help much here.  It will probably create 
> more problems, because it will cause you to do things that are not 
> necesary.  Maybe, you should consider reading some stuff about Linux in  
> general, before you start taking drastic decisions, like compiling the 
> kernel, etc.
> What I am saying is that the alsa system is not just something you 
> install at the user level.  Your kernel must also support the alsa sound 
> system for all of the user applications to work properly.  There is no 
> such thing as, Debian holding your soundcard 	and alsa not beeing able 
> to use it.  There could be conflicts between OSS and ALSA kernel 
> modules, but that can be resolved.  Maybe, you should try to get a 2.6 
> kernel, or try another distro.  Debian is very flexible, but it can be 
> more confusing to the new user.  The price of flexibility is more  room 
> for confusion.  Maybe, you should try Fedora Core 3 and later try Debian 
> again when you know a little more.
> I am not saying that compiling the kernel would not fix your problem.  I 
> am just saying that there are much easier and manageable solutions out 
> there.  Compiling the kernel requires a good understanding of your 
> hardware and of the operating system in general.  It is not just the  
> usual, ./configure/make/make install.  You have to configure hundreds of 
> options and know the proper setting for each one.
> 
> There is plenty of info in the Internet about kernel compilation, so if 
> you want to do it just to see how it is done, look there.  I had to 
> compile my kernel when I first started using Linux, because there were 
> some serious compatibility problems between the Fedora 2 kernel and my 
> hardware.  It was not easy though.  I probably configured and tried to 
> compile the kernel 50 times before I have a truely working setup.  On 
> the flip side of that, once you do it and you understand what is 
> happening, you will be able to resolve most kernel related problems with 
> relative ease.  Now a days, I compile the kernel for each of my systems 
> just for fun and to pick more optimized settings then the defaults.
> 
> Sorry about your problem.  I hope you will keep trying.
> 
> David Bruzos

Re: frustrated

[Glenn at home]

I went to /boot and did:
grep -i alsa config-2.4.27-speakup
and nothing comes back.
Does that in itself mean something useful?  i.e., there is nothing supported 
to be reported?
Glenn

You need to discover whether the kernel you have was compiled to support
alsa. Find the configuration file (probably in /boot) that matches your
kernel and do:

grep -i alsa [filename]

It would seem this is the threshold question.

Re: frustrated

[Chuck Hallenbeck]

My config file produces the same lack of results with the same grep
command, and yet my kernel is configured to use alsa, and alsa works
fine with my sb live.

But I am a Slackware user, not a Debian user.

Chuck


On Sat, 1 Jan 2005, Glenn at home wrote:

> I went to /boot and did:
> grep -i alsa config-2.4.27-speakup
> and nothing comes back.
> Does that in itself mean something useful?  i.e., there is nothing supported
> to be reported?
> Glenn
>
> You need to discover whether the kernel you have was compiled to support
> alsa. Find the configuration file (probably in /boot) that matches your
> kernel and do:
>
> grep -i alsa [filename]
>
> It would seem this is the threshold question.
>
>
>
>
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> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

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Re: frustrated

[Gregory Nowak]

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On Sat, Jan 01, 2005 at 01:33:18AM -0500, David Bruzos wrote:
> Hi Glenn:
> Maybe, if you try to use OSS instead of ALSA, it will work.

My understanding is that he's already using oss, and is trying to switch from that to alsa for whatever reason.

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Re: frustrated

[Janina Sajka]

I steered you wrong. I'm sorry.

Try this:

grep -i emu10k [config.filename]

If that comes back with "yes" or "m", then your kernel comes with the
OSS drivers, not ALSA, which would be expected in 2.4 kernels.

There was never a config option for alsa in the kernel. I was wrong.

Next, I suppose the question is do you care? Is the goal to have sound,
or specifically to have alsa sound?

Glenn at home writes:
> I went to /boot and did:
> grep -i alsa config-2.4.27-speakup
> and nothing comes back.
> Does that in itself mean something useful?  i.e., there is nothing supported 
> to be reported?
> Glenn
> 
> You need to discover whether the kernel you have was compiled to support
> alsa. Find the configuration file (probably in /boot) that matches your
> kernel and do:
> 
> grep -i alsa [filename]
> 
> It would seem this is the threshold question.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

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				Accessibility Workgroup
				Free Standards Group (FSG)

janina@freestandards.org	Phone: +1 202.494.7040

If Linux doesn't solve your computing problem, you need a different problem.

Re: frustrated

[Glenn at home]

I have tried both now, and it appears that oss may be named "alsa-base", or 
at least that is what I find in modutils, and that file displays oss in its 
lines.
Someone suggested yesterday that oss might work where alsa did not.
Glenn

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gregory Nowak" <greg@romuald.net.eu.org>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 12:19 PM
Subject: Re: frustrated


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On Sat, Jan 01, 2005 at 01:33:18AM -0500, David Bruzos wrote:
> Hi Glenn:
> Maybe, if you try to use OSS instead of ALSA, it will work.

My understanding is that he's already using oss, and is trying to switch 
from that to alsa for whatever reason.

Greg



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Re: frustrated

[Janina Sajka]

Yes, this was my big mistake. Sorry. How soon I've forgotten how things
worked in 2.4 kernels.

Now that my memory is somewhat refreshed, I seem to recall the advice
for people wanting to use alsa was to configure their kernels to turn
sound on, but to compile no devices via the kernel.

I should think doing a typical compilation of alsa-driver, alsa-lib, and
alsa-utils might be a worthy course of action, if alsa is the goal, and
not just any source of sound.

Chuck Hallenbeck writes:
> My config file produces the same lack of results with the same grep
> command, and yet my kernel is configured to use alsa, and alsa works
> fine with my sb live.
> 
> But I am a Slackware user, not a Debian user.
> 
> Chuck
> 
> 
> On Sat, 1 Jan 2005, Glenn at home wrote:
> 
> >I went to /boot and did:
> >grep -i alsa config-2.4.27-speakup
> >and nothing comes back.
> >Does that in itself mean something useful?  i.e., there is nothing 
> >supported
> >to be reported?
> >Glenn
> >
> >You need to discover whether the kernel you have was compiled to support
> >alsa. Find the configuration file (probably in /boot) that matches your
> >kernel and do:
> >
> >grep -i alsa [filename]
> >
> >It would seem this is the threshold question.
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Re: frustrated

[Janina Sajka]

No, OSS is most definitely not alsa-base.

apt-cache show alsa-base

Sheesh, my Debian knowledge is coming back a little.


Glenn at home writes:
> I have tried both now, and it appears that oss may be named "alsa-base", or 
> at least that is what I find in modutils, and that file displays oss in its 
> lines.
> Someone suggested yesterday that oss might work where alsa did not.
> Glenn
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Gregory Nowak" <greg@romuald.net.eu.org>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 12:19 PM
> Subject: Re: frustrated
> 
> 
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> 
> On Sat, Jan 01, 2005 at 01:33:18AM -0500, David Bruzos wrote:
> > Hi Glenn:
> > Maybe, if you try to use OSS instead of ALSA, it will work.
> 
> My understanding is that he's already using oss, and is trying to switch 
> from that to alsa for whatever reason.
> 
> Greg
> 
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janina@freestandards.org	Phone: +1 202.494.7040

If Linux doesn't solve your computing problem, you need a different problem.

Re: frustrated

[Gregory Nowak]

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I don't see what oss has to do with alsa-base, but I could be wrong.

Greg


On Sat, Jan 01, 2005 at 12:32:40PM -0600, Glenn at home wrote:
> I have tried both now, and it appears that oss may be named "alsa-base", or 
> at least that is what I find in modutils, and that file displays oss in its 
> lines.
> Someone suggested yesterday that oss might work where alsa did not.
> Glenn
> 

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Re: frustrated

[Glenn at home]

I got 3 lines that refer to emu10k1
input
sound
midi
and the midi line is the only one with a Y at the end, the other 2 have an 
M.
Glenn
Try this:

grep -i emu10k [config.filename]

If that comes back with "yes" or "m", then your kernel comes with the
OSS drivers, not ALSA, which would be expected in 2.4 kernels.

Re: frustrated

[Janina Sajka]

OK. So we've established you have the OSS drivers.

Now, the other question in my last email--there were two questions.

Why alsa particularly? Why isn't OSS good enough?

Glenn at home writes:
> I got 3 lines that refer to emu10k1
> input
> sound
> midi
> and the midi line is the only one with a Y at the end, the other 2 have an 
> M.
> Glenn
> Try this:
> 
> grep -i emu10k [config.filename]
> 
> If that comes back with "yes" or "m", then your kernel comes with the
> OSS drivers, not ALSA, which would be expected in 2.4 kernels.
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

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				Accessibility Workgroup
				Free Standards Group (FSG)

janina@freestandards.org	Phone: +1 202.494.7040

If Linux doesn't solve your computing problem, you need a different problem.

Re: frustrated

[Janina Sajka]

iAnd, is this same machine that you only wanted to run an ftp server on
last month? So, you chose Debian because Fedora would require you to
download 4 iso images?

Didn't this start out as "which distro is better?'

What do you say about that now, half a month later?

Glenn at home writes:
> When I looked into it, both on this list, and on the www, there was little 
> to no mention of oss, and it began to sound like Alsa is better.
> Glenn
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@rednote.net>
> To: "Glenn at home" <GlennErvin@cableone.net>; "Speakup is a screen review 
> system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 1:07 PM
> Subject: Re: frustrated
> 
> 
> OK. So we've established you have the OSS drivers.
> 
> Now, the other question in my last email--there were two questions.
> 
> Why alsa particularly? Why isn't OSS good enough?
> 
> Glenn at home writes:
> > I got 3 lines that refer to emu10k1
> > input
> > sound
> > midi
> > and the midi line is the only one with a Y at the end, the other 2 have an
> > M.
> > Glenn
> > Try this:
> >
> > grep -i emu10k [config.filename]
> >
> > If that comes back with "yes" or "m", then your kernel comes with the
> > OSS drivers, not ALSA, which would be expected in 2.4 kernels.
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 
> -- 
> 
> Janina Sajka, Chair
> Accessibility Workgroup
> Free Standards Group (FSG)
> 
> janina@freestandards.org Phone: +1 202.494.7040
> 
> If Linux doesn't solve your computing problem, you need a different problem.

-- 
	
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				Accessibility Workgroup
				Free Standards Group (FSG)

janina@freestandards.org	Phone: +1 202.494.7040

If Linux doesn't solve your computing problem, you need a different problem.

Re: frustrated

[Glenn at home]

You are right there,
But one thing leads to another.
I still maintain that I don't want too much on here, at least as far as 
packages.
But this all started out because I was starting to install Emacspeak, and it 
appeared that I should have sound working first.
So I do want a couple utilities, as I just installed Lynx, so I can get 
utilities for making it work easier, as opposed to constantly copying it 
over from my XP box via the network, and then moving them in Debian.
But even at this point, if it all came crashing down, I would not be 
devistated, but who knows, next year I may have built up more stuff on here.

Glenn

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@rednote.net>
To: "Glenn at home" <GlennErvin@cableone.net>
Cc: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 1:31 PM
Subject: Re: frustrated


iAnd, is this same machine that you only wanted to run an ftp server on
last month? So, you chose Debian because Fedora would require you to
download 4 iso images?

Didn't this start out as "which distro is better?'

What do you say about that now, half a month later?

Glenn at home writes:
> When I looked into it, both on this list, and on the www, there was little
> to no mention of oss, and it began to sound like Alsa is better.
> Glenn
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@rednote.net>
> To: "Glenn at home" <GlennErvin@cableone.net>; "Speakup is a screen review
> system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 1:07 PM
> Subject: Re: frustrated
>
>
> OK. So we've established you have the OSS drivers.
>
> Now, the other question in my last email--there were two questions.
>
> Why alsa particularly? Why isn't OSS good enough?
>
> Glenn at home writes:
> > I got 3 lines that refer to emu10k1
> > input
> > sound
> > midi
> > and the midi line is the only one with a Y at the end, the other 2 have 
> > an
> > M.
> > Glenn
> > Try this:
> >
> > grep -i emu10k [config.filename]
> >
> > If that comes back with "yes" or "m", then your kernel comes with the
> > OSS drivers, not ALSA, which would be expected in 2.4 kernels.
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
> -- 
>
> Janina Sajka, Chair
> Accessibility Workgroup
> Free Standards Group (FSG)
>
> janina@freestandards.org Phone: +1 202.494.7040
>
> If Linux doesn't solve your computing problem, you need a different 
> problem.

-- 

Janina Sajka, Chair
Accessibility Workgroup
Free Standards Group (FSG)

janina@freestandards.org Phone: +1 202.494.7040

If Linux doesn't solve your computing problem, you need a different problem.


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Re: frustrated

[Janina Sajka]

Nothing wrong with changing your mind. Nothing wrong with wanting
something more. Plenty of trouble for going about things haphazardly,
though.

So, you had a working sound installation but muddled it up because you
heard some other technology approach was better?

OK, nothing wrong with chasing greener pastures, either. But, if you
start in the middle, and listen to just anybody on the net, you aren't
very likely to succeed.

I guess I'm still unclear why you would feel so frustrated you would
want to give up on Linux. After all, it hasn't failed you. If anyone has
failed you, you've failed yourself with questionable approaches and
certainly with inconsistent expectations.

What would I do were I you at this point? I guess I'd look around for a
2.6 kernel with Speakup already in it. Don't know if the Debian
community yet provides such a thing, but alsa comes by default with 2.6
kernels.

You want to go piece by piece? No problem.


Glenn at home writes:
> You are right there,
> But one thing leads to another.
> I still maintain that I don't want too much on here, at least as far as 
> packages.
> But this all started out because I was starting to install Emacspeak, and it 
> appeared that I should have sound working first.
> So I do want a couple utilities, as I just installed Lynx, so I can get 
> utilities for making it work easier, as opposed to constantly copying it 
> over from my XP box via the network, and then moving them in Debian.
> But even at this point, if it all came crashing down, I would not be 
> devistated, but who knows, next year I may have built up more stuff on here.
> 
> Glenn
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@rednote.net>
> To: "Glenn at home" <GlennErvin@cableone.net>
> Cc: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 1:31 PM
> Subject: Re: frustrated
> 
> 
> iAnd, is this same machine that you only wanted to run an ftp server on
> last month? So, you chose Debian because Fedora would require you to
> download 4 iso images?
> 
> Didn't this start out as "which distro is better?'
> 
> What do you say about that now, half a month later?
> 
> Glenn at home writes:
> > When I looked into it, both on this list, and on the www, there was little
> > to no mention of oss, and it began to sound like Alsa is better.
> > Glenn
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@rednote.net>
> > To: "Glenn at home" <GlennErvin@cableone.net>; "Speakup is a screen review
> > system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 1:07 PM
> > Subject: Re: frustrated
> >
> >
> > OK. So we've established you have the OSS drivers.
> >
> > Now, the other question in my last email--there were two questions.
> >
> > Why alsa particularly? Why isn't OSS good enough?
> >
> > Glenn at home writes:
> > > I got 3 lines that refer to emu10k1
> > > input
> > > sound
> > > midi
> > > and the midi line is the only one with a Y at the end, the other 2 have 
> > > an
> > > M.
> > > Glenn
> > > Try this:
> > >
> > > grep -i emu10k [config.filename]
> > >
> > > If that comes back with "yes" or "m", then your kernel comes with the
> > > OSS drivers, not ALSA, which would be expected in 2.4 kernels.
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> > -- 
> >
> > Janina Sajka, Chair
> > Accessibility Workgroup
> > Free Standards Group (FSG)
> >
> > janina@freestandards.org Phone: +1 202.494.7040
> >
> > If Linux doesn't solve your computing problem, you need a different 
> > problem.
> 
> -- 
> 
> Janina Sajka, Chair
> Accessibility Workgroup
> Free Standards Group (FSG)
> 
> janina@freestandards.org Phone: +1 202.494.7040
> 
> If Linux doesn't solve your computing problem, you need a different problem.
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

-- 
	
				Janina Sajka, Chair
				Accessibility Workgroup
				Free Standards Group (FSG)

janina@freestandards.org	Phone: +1 202.494.7040

If Linux doesn't solve your computing problem, you need a different problem.

Re: frustrated

[Glenn at home]

Plenty of trouble for going about things haphazardly,
though.

So, you had a working sound installation but muddled it up because you
heard some other technology approach was better?
* I wouldn't say it's muddled up, as it is working as an FTP server, which 
was my original intent.  And after enquiring about where to get Debian on 
this list, I was pointed to a site, and I was of the understanding that it 
was the latest & greatest.
I had not imagined that sound would be left out of any versions.  I did have 
speakers hooked up and had expected to at least test sound files that I had 
on my server.  But again, I didn't think about that much until I decided to 
put in Emacspeak.  I may just format this drive & start over.  I can at 
least say I learned from all this.
Glenn

OK, nothing wrong with chasing greener pastures, either. But, if you
start in the middle, and listen to just anybody on the net, you aren't
very likely to succeed.

I guess I'm still unclear why you would feel so frustrated you would
want to give up on Linux. After all, it hasn't failed you. If anyone has
failed you, you've failed yourself with questionable approaches and
certainly with inconsistent expectations.

What would I do were I you at this point? I guess I'd look around for a
2.6 kernel with Speakup already in it. Don't know if the Debian
community yet provides such a thing, but alsa comes by default with 2.6
kernels.

You want to go piece by piece? No problem.


Glenn at home writes:
> You are right there,
> But one thing leads to another.
> I still maintain that I don't want too much on here, at least as far as
> packages.
> But this all started out because I was starting to install Emacspeak, and 
> it
> appeared that I should have sound working first.
> So I do want a couple utilities, as I just installed Lynx, so I can get
> utilities for making it work easier, as opposed to constantly copying it
> over from my XP box via the network, and then moving them in Debian.
> But even at this point, if it all came crashing down, I would not be
> devistated, but who knows, next year I may have built up more stuff on 
> here.
>
> Glenn
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@rednote.net>
> To: "Glenn at home" <GlennErvin@cableone.net>
> Cc: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 1:31 PM
> Subject: Re: frustrated
>
>
> iAnd, is this same machine that you only wanted to run an ftp server on
> last month? So, you chose Debian because Fedora would require you to
> download 4 iso images?
>
> Didn't this start out as "which distro is better?'
>
> What do you say about that now, half a month later?
>
> Glenn at home writes:
> > When I looked into it, both on this list, and on the www, there was 
> > little
> > to no mention of oss, and it began to sound like Alsa is better.
> > Glenn
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@rednote.net>
> > To: "Glenn at home" <GlennErvin@cableone.net>; "Speakup is a screen 
> > review
> > system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 1:07 PM
> > Subject: Re: frustrated
> >
> >
> > OK. So we've established you have the OSS drivers.
> >
> > Now, the other question in my last email--there were two questions.
> >
> > Why alsa particularly? Why isn't OSS good enough?
> >
> > Glenn at home writes:
> > > I got 3 lines that refer to emu10k1
> > > input
> > > sound
> > > midi
> > > and the midi line is the only one with a Y at the end, the other 2 
> > > have
> > > an
> > > M.
> > > Glenn
> > > Try this:
> > >
> > > grep -i emu10k [config.filename]
> > >
> > > If that comes back with "yes" or "m", then your kernel comes with the
> > > OSS drivers, not ALSA, which would be expected in 2.4 kernels.
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> > -- 
> >
> > Janina Sajka, Chair
> > Accessibility Workgroup
> > Free Standards Group (FSG)
> >
> > janina@freestandards.org Phone: +1 202.494.7040
> >
> > If Linux doesn't solve your computing problem, you need a different
> > problem.
>
> -- 
>
> Janina Sajka, Chair
> Accessibility Workgroup
> Free Standards Group (FSG)
>
> janina@freestandards.org Phone: +1 202.494.7040
>
> If Linux doesn't solve your computing problem, you need a different 
> problem.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

-- 

Janina Sajka, Chair
Accessibility Workgroup
Free Standards Group (FSG)

janina@freestandards.org Phone: +1 202.494.7040

If Linux doesn't solve your computing problem, you need a different problem.


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Re: frustrated

[Lorenzo Prince]

Thus spake Glenn at home:
# apt-get install alsa-modules-speakup-2.4.27
# apt-get install alsa -modules -speakup-2.4.27
# apt-get install alsa-modules-2.4.27
# and some other variences.

Did you try

apt-get install alsa-modules-2.4.27-1-speakup?  It may or may not be there.  You
may also want to try

apt-get install alsa-modules-2.4.27-1-i686

or

apt-get install alsa-modules-2.4.27-1-k7

depending on your architecture.  It may be that the closest match works if there
isn't a module specific to the speakup kernel.

HTH, and don't give up,
PRINCE

Re: frustrated

[Kenny Hitt]

Hi.  It isn't hard.  Debian has a good reference manual that covers
questions from newby to developers.
apt-get install debian-reference-en

It's long, so you will need to spend time reading it.
If you don't want to install it, you can read it on line at the Debian
web site.  Also, when you install a Debian package, you usually get
documentation and notes for the package in /usr/share/doc/package_name.

Once you install the alsa-base package, your system should stop loading
the OSS drivers.

Hope this helps.
          Kenny
	  
On Fri, Dec 31, 2004 at 01:50:16PM -0600, Glenn at home wrote:
> Why is it so hard to get help/info on using Linux?
> I have Debian.
> I apparently need to recompile my kernel because Alsa cannot control my 
> sound card, because Debian has hold of it, but I need to get Debian to not 
> control it.
> I have spent all day looking on the internet for help, and can find non on 
> recompiling the kernel, some examples would be nice.
> man pages are often useless for a beginner, as they are too cryptic.
> Any help appreciated, as I am about ready to quit Linux.
> Glenn
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: frustrated

[Sean McMahon]

What kernel do you have?  Find this out by using uname -r
If it's a 2.4 kernel, run modconf as root and find and load the os sound modules
and load the emu10k module.  Some tips on reading man pages: things in brackets
like [-1] [--help] are arguments to the commandset speakup's punctuation to 3 or
4 by echoing one of those values to /proc/speakup/punc_level and
/proc/speakup/reading_punc.  That command looks like
echo 4 > /proc/speakup/punc_level
or
echo 4 > /proc/speakup/reading_punc
info documentation may help you better.  You can see what you have through info
by typing info and using your arrow keys to brows the available titles.  Hit
enter on the one you wish to read. read the info tutorial first.  Read
documentation in /usr/share/doc if info doesn't have pages on the program your
looking fore.  This documentation will be available in many different formats.
Search for kernel-howto on the internet.  Later I'll send you a good though
slightly outdated webpage on kernel compilation in debian.What I mean by
slightly outdated is some of the things they tell you to do aren't necessary if
you use the debian testing or sarge.www.debian.org has some good docs you can
look at on-line or you can download and install the debian users guide.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Glenn at home" <GlennErvin@cableone.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Friday, December 31, 2004 12:50 PM
Subject: frustrated


> Why is it so hard to get help/info on using Linux?
> I have Debian.
> I apparently need to recompile my kernel because Alsa cannot control my
> sound card, because Debian has hold of it, but I need to get Debian to not
> control it.
> I have spent all day looking on the internet for help, and can find non on
> recompiling the kernel, some examples would be nice.
> man pages are often useless for a beginner, as they are too cryptic.
> Any help appreciated, as I am about ready to quit Linux.
> Glenn
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: frustrated

[Sean McMahon]

Type the commands exactly as he typed them in his message. You don't need the
speakup part i.e. your added -speakup2.4.27.  Please read the apt howto availble
possably in /usr/share/doc or on the debian website.  You may get better debian
specific help on the debian user list.  info for that is on the debian site
under the link mailing lists.This is a heavy usage list except for the last few
weeks so you may find searching its archives more useful.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Glenn at home" <GlennErvin@cableone.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Friday, December 31, 2004 5:19 PM
Subject: Re: frustrated


> Hello Lorenzo,
> I have done variences of the following from what you suggest:
> apt-get install alsa-modules-speakup-2.4.27
> apt-get install alsa -modules -speakup-2.4.27
> apt-get install alsa-modules-2.4.27
> and some other variences.
> But I always keep the first part the same:
> apt-get install alsa
> It cannot find that module
>
> Glenn
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Lorenzo Prince" <lorenzo@prince.homelinux.org>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Friday, December 31, 2004 5:58 PM
> Subject: Re: frustrated
>
>
> What kernel are you running?
>
> If you are running a 2.4.x kernel, try:
>
> apt-get install alsa-modules-<kernel-version>
>
> replacing <kernel-version> with the appropriate version of your kernel.
> Then do:
>
> apt-get install alsa-base alsa-oss alsa-utils
>
> and run:
>
> alsaconf
>
> to configure your sound card.
>
> If you are running a 2.6.x kernel, skip the first step, as alsa is a part of
> the
> 2.6 kernel.  So all you need to do is:
>
> apt-get install alsa-base alsa-oss alsa-utils
> alsaconf
>
> and follow the instructions presented by alsaconf.  Then you will have full
> alsa
> support in Debian.
>
> Happy New Year, and please don't give up on Linux.
>
> PRINCE
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: frustrated

[Sean McMahon]

Wait, is that the right command?  go to /boot type the grep command but for the
name of the config type config followed by hitting the tab key.  That will auto
complete the file name for you.  The reason I say this is because grep happily
says nothing if you type the filenames wrong.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Glenn at home" <GlennErvin@cableone.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 9:02 AM
Subject: Re: frustrated


> I went to /boot and did:
> grep -i alsa config-2.4.27-speakup
> and nothing comes back.
> Does that in itself mean something useful?  i.e., there is nothing supported
> to be reported?
> Glenn
>
> You need to discover whether the kernel you have was compiled to support
> alsa. Find the configuration file (probably in /boot) that matches your
> kernel and do:
>
> grep -i alsa [filename]
>
> It would seem this is the threshold question.
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: frustrated

[Sean McMahon]

Make sure these modules as well as the os modules are loaded in /etc/modules or
do modprobe with their names.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Glenn at home" <GlennErvin@cableone.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 11:54 AM
Subject: Re: frustrated


> I got 3 lines that refer to emu10k1
> input
> sound
> midi
> and the midi line is the only one with a Y at the end, the other 2 have an
> M.
> Glenn
> Try this:
>
> grep -i emu10k [config.filename]
>
> If that comes back with "yes" or "m", then your kernel comes with the
> OSS drivers, not ALSA, which would be expected in 2.4 kernels.
>
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Re: frustrated

[Sean McMahon]

Oh man.  You don't need sound working for emacspeak to work unless you want
software speech.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Glenn at home" <GlennErvin@cableone.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 12:51 PM
Subject: Re: frustrated


> You are right there,
> But one thing leads to another.
> I still maintain that I don't want too much on here, at least as far as
> packages.
> But this all started out because I was starting to install Emacspeak, and it
> appeared that I should have sound working first.
> So I do want a couple utilities, as I just installed Lynx, so I can get
> utilities for making it work easier, as opposed to constantly copying it
> over from my XP box via the network, and then moving them in Debian.
> But even at this point, if it all came crashing down, I would not be
> devistated, but who knows, next year I may have built up more stuff on here.
>
> Glenn
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@rednote.net>
> To: "Glenn at home" <GlennErvin@cableone.net>
> Cc: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 1:31 PM
> Subject: Re: frustrated
>
>
> iAnd, is this same machine that you only wanted to run an ftp server on
> last month? So, you chose Debian because Fedora would require you to
> download 4 iso images?
>
> Didn't this start out as "which distro is better?'
>
> What do you say about that now, half a month later?
>
> Glenn at home writes:
> > When I looked into it, both on this list, and on the www, there was little
> > to no mention of oss, and it began to sound like Alsa is better.
> > Glenn
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@rednote.net>
> > To: "Glenn at home" <GlennErvin@cableone.net>; "Speakup is a screen review
> > system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 1:07 PM
> > Subject: Re: frustrated
> >
> >
> > OK. So we've established you have the OSS drivers.
> >
> > Now, the other question in my last email--there were two questions.
> >
> > Why alsa particularly? Why isn't OSS good enough?
> >
> > Glenn at home writes:
> > > I got 3 lines that refer to emu10k1
> > > input
> > > sound
> > > midi
> > > and the midi line is the only one with a Y at the end, the other 2 have
> > > an
> > > M.
> > > Glenn
> > > Try this:
> > >
> > > grep -i emu10k [config.filename]
> > >
> > > If that comes back with "yes" or "m", then your kernel comes with the
> > > OSS drivers, not ALSA, which would be expected in 2.4 kernels.
> > >
> > >
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> >
> > -- 
> >
> > Janina Sajka, Chair
> > Accessibility Workgroup
> > Free Standards Group (FSG)
> >
> > janina@freestandards.org Phone: +1 202.494.7040
> >
> > If Linux doesn't solve your computing problem, you need a different
> > problem.
>
> -- 
>
> Janina Sajka, Chair
> Accessibility Workgroup
> Free Standards Group (FSG)
>
> janina@freestandards.org Phone: +1 202.494.7040
>
> If Linux doesn't solve your computing problem, you need a different problem.
>
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