Debian or Fedora

Debian or Fedora

[Glenn at home]

I have a computer hooked to my network that I am planning on installing 
Linux onto.
It only has a 25 GB hard drive, and I want at least 20 GB for FTP files.
I have been thinking of trying Debian since it appears that it may take less 
disks to download.
I only want Linux right now for an FTP server.
Since I have not heard otherwise, I understand that Debian is not ready for 
prime time with speakup, so I guess I must go with Fedora, but that takes 3 
ISO's, unless I can get an FTP server going with only the first ISO.

Can someone advise me here?
Thanks.Glenn

Re: Debian or Fedora

[Tom Moore]

If you wish to use Debian there is a cd image out there that will you 
to install the Sarge release on to your machine with Speakup.

http://people.debian.org/~shane
Look there for the install cd.

Tom

On Sat, Dec 
18, 2004 at 07:50:30PM -0600, Glenn at home wrote:
> I have a computer hooked to my network that I am planning on installing 
> Linux onto.
> It only has a 25 GB hard drive, and I want at least 20 GB for FTP files.
> I have been thinking of trying Debian since it appears that it may take less 
> disks to download.
> I only want Linux right now for an FTP server.
> Since I have not heard otherwise, I understand that Debian is not ready for 
> prime time with speakup, so I guess I must go with Fedora, but that takes 3 
> ISO's, unless I can get an FTP server going with only the first ISO.
> 
> Can someone advise me here?
> Thanks.Glenn
> 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: Debian or Fedora

[Terry D. Cudney]

Hi Glen and Tom, et al,

	I just installed Debian on a new system, using  a 3-floppy set to get started and everything else was installed from the 'net. It has speakup in the kernel, so it talks all the way through the install.... beautiful.

	As for space requirements, debian has always been consistently smaller than redhat/fedora for a base install since redhat/fedora installs so much by default.

	PLEASE, NO FLAMES about "my-distribution-is-better-than-your-distribution". Just my experience, for what it's worth.Debian's 'apt' package manager makes it extremely easy to install 'just" the packages that you want.

	hth,

	--terry
On Sat, Dec 18, 2004 at 09:05:41PM -0500, Tom Moore wrote:
> If you wish to use Debian there is a cd image out there that will you 
> to install the Sarge release on to your machine with Speakup.
> 
> http://people.debian.org/~shane
> Look there for the install cd.
> 
> Tom
> 
> On Sat, Dec 
> 18, 2004 at 07:50:30PM -0600, Glenn at home wrote:
> > I have a computer hooked to my network that I am planning on installing 
> > Linux onto.
> > It only has a 25 GB hard drive, and I want at least 20 GB for FTP files.
> > I have been thinking of trying Debian since it appears that it may take less 
> > disks to download.
> > I only want Linux right now for an FTP server.
> > Since I have not heard otherwise, I understand that Debian is not ready for 
> > prime time with speakup, so I guess I must go with Fedora, but that takes 3 
> > ISO's, unless I can get an FTP server going with only the first ISO.
> > 
> > Can someone advise me here?
> > Thanks.Glenn
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

-- 

Name:	Terry D. Cudney
Phone:	(705) 422-0039
E-mail:	terry@wasaga.dyns.net

Having a smoking section in a restaurant is like...
having a peeing sectionin a swimming pool.

Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments.
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Re: Debian or Fedora

[Glenn at home]

where do I get these floppy images?

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Terry D. Cudney" <terry@wasaga.dyns.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2004 9:47 PM
Subject: Re: Debian or Fedora


Hi Glen and Tom, et al,

I just installed Debian on a new system, using  a 3-floppy set to get 
started and everything else was installed from the 'net. It has speakup in 
the kernel, so it talks all the way through the install.... beautiful.

As for space requirements, debian has always been consistently smaller than 
redhat/fedora for a base install since redhat/fedora installs so much by 
default.

PLEASE, NO FLAMES about "my-distribution-is-better-than-your-distribution". 
Just my experience, for what it's worth.Debian's 'apt' package manager makes 
it extremely easy to install 'just" the packages that you want.

hth,

--terry
On Sat, Dec 18, 2004 at 09:05:41PM -0500, Tom Moore wrote:
> If you wish to use Debian there is a cd image out there that will you
> to install the Sarge release on to your machine with Speakup.
>
> http://people.debian.org/~shane
> Look there for the install cd.
>
> Tom
>
> On Sat, Dec
> 18, 2004 at 07:50:30PM -0600, Glenn at home wrote:
> > I have a computer hooked to my network that I am planning on installing
> > Linux onto.
> > It only has a 25 GB hard drive, and I want at least 20 GB for FTP files.
> > I have been thinking of trying Debian since it appears that it may take 
> > less
> > disks to download.
> > I only want Linux right now for an FTP server.
> > Since I have not heard otherwise, I understand that Debian is not ready 
> > for
> > prime time with speakup, so I guess I must go with Fedora, but that 
> > takes 3
> > ISO's, unless I can get an FTP server going with only the first ISO.
> >
> > Can someone advise me here?
> > Thanks.Glenn
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

-- 

Name: Terry D. Cudney
Phone: (705) 422-0039
E-mail: terry@wasaga.dyns.net

Having a smoking section in a restaurant is like...
having a peeing sectionin a swimming pool.

Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments.
See http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html


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Re: Debian or Fedora

[Terry D. Cudney]

Hi Glenn,

	I have just mailed you the disk images separately, so as not to clutter the list. They are probably available for ftp download somewhere, but I'm not sure.

	HTH,

	--terry

-- 

Name:	Terry D. Cudney
Phone:	(705) 422-0039
E-mail:	terry@wasaga.dyns.net

Having a smoking section in a restaurant is like...
having a peeing sectionin a swimming pool.

Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments.
See http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html

Re: Debian or Fedora

[Janina Sajka]

For the record, a Server Class install of the Speakup Modified will take
about 2 Gb. Choosing Server Class will provide what you need for an ftp
server, and it will provide most of the console utilities you're
accustomed to with an "everything" install. Yes, that's how fat the gui
environment has become.

Glenn at home writes:
> I have a computer hooked to my network that I am planning on installing 
> Linux onto.
> It only has a 25 GB hard drive, and I want at least 20 GB for FTP files.
> I have been thinking of trying Debian since it appears that it may take less 
> disks to download.
> I only want Linux right now for an FTP server.
> Since I have not heard otherwise, I understand that Debian is not ready for 
> prime time with speakup, so I guess I must go with Fedora, but that takes 3 
> ISO's, unless I can get an FTP server going with only the first ISO.
> 
> Can someone advise me here?
> Thanks.Glenn
> 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

-- 
	
				Janina Sajka, Chair
				Accessibility Workgroup
				Free Standards Group (FSG)

janina@freestandards.org	Phone: +1 202.494.7040

Re: Debian or Fedora

[Glenn at home]

Thanks Janina.
Glenn

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@rednote.net>
To: "Glenn at home" <GlennErvin@cableone.net>; "Speakup is a screen review 
system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2004 11:27 AM
Subject: Re: Debian or Fedora


For the record, a Server Class install of the Speakup Modified will take
about 2 Gb. Choosing Server Class will provide what you need for an ftp
server, and it will provide most of the console utilities you're
accustomed to with an "everything" install. Yes, that's how fat the gui
environment has become.

Glenn at home writes:
> I have a computer hooked to my network that I am planning on installing
> Linux onto.
> It only has a 25 GB hard drive, and I want at least 20 GB for FTP files.
> I have been thinking of trying Debian since it appears that it may take 
> less
> disks to download.
> I only want Linux right now for an FTP server.
> Since I have not heard otherwise, I understand that Debian is not ready 
> for
> prime time with speakup, so I guess I must go with Fedora, but that takes 
> 3
> ISO's, unless I can get an FTP server going with only the first ISO.
>
> Can someone advise me here?
> Thanks.Glenn
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

-- 

Janina Sajka, Chair
Accessibility Workgroup
Free Standards Group (FSG)

janina@freestandards.org Phone: +1 202.494.7040


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Re: Debian or Fedora

[Keith Watson]

Janina,

Probably way behind on this, but as I run both Fedora and Debian 
and have just installed a base system of deb on a 12G drive I 
thought I would throw in my 2 cents. My install was only 435 meg.

Keith
On 12:27 PM, Janina Sajka wrote:
> For the record, a Server Class install of the Speakup Modified will take
> about 2 Gb. Choosing Server Class will provide what you need for an ftp
> server, and it will provide most of the console utilities you're
> accustomed to with an "everything" install. Yes, that's how fat the gui
> environment has become.
> 
> Glenn at home writes:
> > I have a computer hooked to my network that I am planning on installing 
> > Linux onto.
> > It only has a 25 GB hard drive, and I want at least 20 GB for FTP files.
> > I have been thinking of trying Debian since it appears that it may take less 
> > disks to download.
> > I only want Linux right now for an FTP server.
> > Since I have not heard otherwise, I understand that Debian is not ready for 
> > prime time with speakup, so I guess I must go with Fedora, but that takes 3 
> > ISO's, unless I can get an FTP server going with only the first ISO.
> > 
> > Can someone advise me here?
> > Thanks.Glenn
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 
> -- 
> 	
> 				Janina Sajka, Chair
> 				Accessibility Workgroup
> 				Free Standards Group (FSG)
> 
> janina@freestandards.org	Phone: +1 202.494.7040
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

-- 
Keith Watson
kwatson@smed.yi.org

Among the major impediments to discovery are not the ignorant
but those with illusions of knowledge.    - B. Alan Wallace

Re: Debian or Fedora

[Glenn at home]

Hello Keith & Janina,
I am at the network prompt, and I am using a router on a cable modem.
It did not detect the dhcp host, and I am wondering if it should 
automatically.
Or should I enter the IP address for the router?
I am trying to do a network install.
Thanks.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Keith Watson" <Kwatson@smed.yi.org>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2004 11:37 AM
Subject: Re: Debian or Fedora


Janina,

Probably way behind on this, but as I run both Fedora and Debian
and have just installed a base system of deb on a 12G drive I
thought I would throw in my 2 cents. My install was only 435 meg.

Keith
On 12:27 PM, Janina Sajka wrote:
> For the record, a Server Class install of the Speakup Modified will take
> about 2 Gb. Choosing Server Class will provide what you need for an ftp
> server, and it will provide most of the console utilities you're
> accustomed to with an "everything" install. Yes, that's how fat the gui
> environment has become.
>
> Glenn at home writes:
> > I have a computer hooked to my network that I am planning on installing
> > Linux onto.
> > It only has a 25 GB hard drive, and I want at least 20 GB for FTP files.
> > I have been thinking of trying Debian since it appears that it may take 
> > less
> > disks to download.
> > I only want Linux right now for an FTP server.
> > Since I have not heard otherwise, I understand that Debian is not ready 
> > for
> > prime time with speakup, so I guess I must go with Fedora, but that 
> > takes 3
> > ISO's, unless I can get an FTP server going with only the first ISO.
> >
> > Can someone advise me here?
> > Thanks.Glenn
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
> -- 
>
> Janina Sajka, Chair
> Accessibility Workgroup
> Free Standards Group (FSG)
>
> janina@freestandards.org Phone: +1 202.494.7040
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

-- 
Keith Watson
kwatson@smed.yi.org

Among the major impediments to discovery are not the ignorant
but those with illusions of knowledge.    - B. Alan Wallace

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Re: Debian or Fedora

[Keith Watson]

only if you have a dhcp server. You may have to manually add the 
ip and gateway.

On 11:48 AM, Glenn at home wrote:
> Hello Keith & Janina,
> I am at the network prompt, and I am using a router on a cable modem.
> It did not detect the dhcp host, and I am wondering if it should 
> automatically.
> Or should I enter the IP address for the router?
> I am trying to do a network install.
> Thanks.
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Keith Watson" <Kwatson@smed.yi.org>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2004 11:37 AM
> Subject: Re: Debian or Fedora
> 
> 
> Janina,
> 
> Probably way behind on this, but as I run both Fedora and Debian
> and have just installed a base system of deb on a 12G drive I
> thought I would throw in my 2 cents. My install was only 435 meg.
> 
> Keith
> On 12:27 PM, Janina Sajka wrote:
> > For the record, a Server Class install of the Speakup Modified will take
> > about 2 Gb. Choosing Server Class will provide what you need for an ftp
> > server, and it will provide most of the console utilities you're
> > accustomed to with an "everything" install. Yes, that's how fat the gui
> > environment has become.
> >
> > Glenn at home writes:
> > > I have a computer hooked to my network that I am planning on installing
> > > Linux onto.
> > > It only has a 25 GB hard drive, and I want at least 20 GB for FTP files.
> > > I have been thinking of trying Debian since it appears that it may take 
> > > less
> > > disks to download.
> > > I only want Linux right now for an FTP server.
> > > Since I have not heard otherwise, I understand that Debian is not ready 
> > > for
> > > prime time with speakup, so I guess I must go with Fedora, but that 
> > > takes 3
> > > ISO's, unless I can get an FTP server going with only the first ISO.
> > >
> > > Can someone advise me here?
> > > Thanks.Glenn
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> > -- 
> >
> > Janina Sajka, Chair
> > Accessibility Workgroup
> > Free Standards Group (FSG)
> >
> > janina@freestandards.org Phone: +1 202.494.7040
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 
> -- 
> Keith Watson
> kwatson@smed.yi.org
> 
> Among the major impediments to discovery are not the ignorant
> but those with illusions of knowledge.    - B. Alan Wallace
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

-- 
Keith Watson
kwatson@smed.yi.org

Among the major impediments to discovery are not the ignorant
but those with illusions of knowledge.    - B. Alan Wallace

Re: Debian or Fedora

[Janina Sajka]

No question, Keith. A minimalist installation is not a criterion on
Fedora. On the other hand, I'd wager more "just simply works out of the
box."

PS: I have both here as well.

Keith Watson writes:
> Janina,
> 
> Probably way behind on this, but as I run both Fedora and Debian 
> and have just installed a base system of deb on a 12G drive I 
> thought I would throw in my 2 cents. My install was only 435 meg.
> 
> Keith
> On 12:27 PM, Janina Sajka wrote:
> > For the record, a Server Class install of the Speakup Modified will take
> > about 2 Gb. Choosing Server Class will provide what you need for an ftp
> > server, and it will provide most of the console utilities you're
> > accustomed to with an "everything" install. Yes, that's how fat the gui
> > environment has become.
> > 
> > Glenn at home writes:
> > > I have a computer hooked to my network that I am planning on installing 
> > > Linux onto.
> > > It only has a 25 GB hard drive, and I want at least 20 GB for FTP files.
> > > I have been thinking of trying Debian since it appears that it may take less 
> > > disks to download.
> > > I only want Linux right now for an FTP server.
> > > Since I have not heard otherwise, I understand that Debian is not ready for 
> > > prime time with speakup, so I guess I must go with Fedora, but that takes 3 
> > > ISO's, unless I can get an FTP server going with only the first ISO.
> > > 
> > > Can someone advise me here?
> > > Thanks.Glenn
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > 
> > -- 
> > 	
> > 				Janina Sajka, Chair
> > 				Accessibility Workgroup
> > 				Free Standards Group (FSG)
> > 
> > janina@freestandards.org	Phone: +1 202.494.7040
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 
> -- 
> Keith Watson
> kwatson@smed.yi.org
> 
> Among the major impediments to discovery are not the ignorant
> but those with illusions of knowledge.    - B. Alan Wallace
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

-- 
	
				Janina Sajka, Chair
				Accessibility Workgroup
				Free Standards Group (FSG)

janina@freestandards.org	Phone: +1 202.494.7040

Re: Debian or Fedora

[Sean McMahon]

Debian works fine with speakup, just the iso isn't that great.  You can always
examine the buggs for the testing release  which need to be fixed before it
becomes stable.  Few if any problems related to speakup here on my 800 MB hd.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Glenn at home" <GlennErvin@cableone.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2004 6:50 PM
Subject: Debian or Fedora


> I have a computer hooked to my network that I am planning on installing
> Linux onto.
> It only has a 25 GB hard drive, and I want at least 20 GB for FTP files.
> I have been thinking of trying Debian since it appears that it may take less
> disks to download.
> I only want Linux right now for an FTP server.
> Since I have not heard otherwise, I understand that Debian is not ready for
> prime time with speakup, so I guess I must go with Fedora, but that takes 3
> ISO's, unless I can get an FTP server going with only the first ISO.
>
> Can someone advise me here?
> Thanks.Glenn
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup