* Debian or Fedora
@ Glenn at home
` Tom Moore
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0 siblings, 3 replies; 12+ messages in thread
From: Glenn at home @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
I have a computer hooked to my network that I am planning on installing
Linux onto.
It only has a 25 GB hard drive, and I want at least 20 GB for FTP files.
I have been thinking of trying Debian since it appears that it may take less
disks to download.
I only want Linux right now for an FTP server.
Since I have not heard otherwise, I understand that Debian is not ready for
prime time with speakup, so I guess I must go with Fedora, but that takes 3
ISO's, unless I can get an FTP server going with only the first ISO.
Can someone advise me here?
Thanks.Glenn
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread* Re: Debian or Fedora Debian or Fedora Glenn at home @ ` Tom Moore ` Terry D. Cudney ` Janina Sajka ` Sean McMahon 2 siblings, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread From: Tom Moore @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Glenn at home, Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. If you wish to use Debian there is a cd image out there that will you to install the Sarge release on to your machine with Speakup. http://people.debian.org/~shane Look there for the install cd. Tom On Sat, Dec 18, 2004 at 07:50:30PM -0600, Glenn at home wrote: > I have a computer hooked to my network that I am planning on installing > Linux onto. > It only has a 25 GB hard drive, and I want at least 20 GB for FTP files. > I have been thinking of trying Debian since it appears that it may take less > disks to download. > I only want Linux right now for an FTP server. > Since I have not heard otherwise, I understand that Debian is not ready for > prime time with speakup, so I guess I must go with Fedora, but that takes 3 > ISO's, unless I can get an FTP server going with only the first ISO. > > Can someone advise me here? > Thanks.Glenn > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: Debian or Fedora ` Tom Moore @ ` Terry D. Cudney ` Glenn at home 0 siblings, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread From: Terry D. Cudney @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Hi Glen and Tom, et al, I just installed Debian on a new system, using a 3-floppy set to get started and everything else was installed from the 'net. It has speakup in the kernel, so it talks all the way through the install.... beautiful. As for space requirements, debian has always been consistently smaller than redhat/fedora for a base install since redhat/fedora installs so much by default. PLEASE, NO FLAMES about "my-distribution-is-better-than-your-distribution". Just my experience, for what it's worth.Debian's 'apt' package manager makes it extremely easy to install 'just" the packages that you want. hth, --terry On Sat, Dec 18, 2004 at 09:05:41PM -0500, Tom Moore wrote: > If you wish to use Debian there is a cd image out there that will you > to install the Sarge release on to your machine with Speakup. > > http://people.debian.org/~shane > Look there for the install cd. > > Tom > > On Sat, Dec > 18, 2004 at 07:50:30PM -0600, Glenn at home wrote: > > I have a computer hooked to my network that I am planning on installing > > Linux onto. > > It only has a 25 GB hard drive, and I want at least 20 GB for FTP files. > > I have been thinking of trying Debian since it appears that it may take less > > disks to download. > > I only want Linux right now for an FTP server. > > Since I have not heard otherwise, I understand that Debian is not ready for > > prime time with speakup, so I guess I must go with Fedora, but that takes 3 > > ISO's, unless I can get an FTP server going with only the first ISO. > > > > Can someone advise me here? > > Thanks.Glenn > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup -- Name: Terry D. Cudney Phone: (705) 422-0039 E-mail: terry@wasaga.dyns.net Having a smoking section in a restaurant is like... having a peeing sectionin a swimming pool. Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: Debian or Fedora ` Terry D. Cudney @ ` Glenn at home ` Terry D. Cudney 0 siblings, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread From: Glenn at home @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. where do I get these floppy images? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Terry D. Cudney" <terry@wasaga.dyns.net> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2004 9:47 PM Subject: Re: Debian or Fedora Hi Glen and Tom, et al, I just installed Debian on a new system, using a 3-floppy set to get started and everything else was installed from the 'net. It has speakup in the kernel, so it talks all the way through the install.... beautiful. As for space requirements, debian has always been consistently smaller than redhat/fedora for a base install since redhat/fedora installs so much by default. PLEASE, NO FLAMES about "my-distribution-is-better-than-your-distribution". Just my experience, for what it's worth.Debian's 'apt' package manager makes it extremely easy to install 'just" the packages that you want. hth, --terry On Sat, Dec 18, 2004 at 09:05:41PM -0500, Tom Moore wrote: > If you wish to use Debian there is a cd image out there that will you > to install the Sarge release on to your machine with Speakup. > > http://people.debian.org/~shane > Look there for the install cd. > > Tom > > On Sat, Dec > 18, 2004 at 07:50:30PM -0600, Glenn at home wrote: > > I have a computer hooked to my network that I am planning on installing > > Linux onto. > > It only has a 25 GB hard drive, and I want at least 20 GB for FTP files. > > I have been thinking of trying Debian since it appears that it may take > > less > > disks to download. > > I only want Linux right now for an FTP server. > > Since I have not heard otherwise, I understand that Debian is not ready > > for > > prime time with speakup, so I guess I must go with Fedora, but that > > takes 3 > > ISO's, unless I can get an FTP server going with only the first ISO. > > > > Can someone advise me here? > > Thanks.Glenn > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup -- Name: Terry D. Cudney Phone: (705) 422-0039 E-mail: terry@wasaga.dyns.net Having a smoking section in a restaurant is like... having a peeing sectionin a swimming pool. Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html _______________________________________________ Speakup mailing list Speakup@braille.uwo.ca http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: Debian or Fedora ` Glenn at home @ ` Terry D. Cudney 0 siblings, 0 replies; 12+ messages in thread From: Terry D. Cudney @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Glenn at home, Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Hi Glenn, I have just mailed you the disk images separately, so as not to clutter the list. They are probably available for ftp download somewhere, but I'm not sure. HTH, --terry -- Name: Terry D. Cudney Phone: (705) 422-0039 E-mail: terry@wasaga.dyns.net Having a smoking section in a restaurant is like... having a peeing sectionin a swimming pool. Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: Debian or Fedora Debian or Fedora Glenn at home ` Tom Moore @ ` Janina Sajka ` Glenn at home ` Keith Watson ` Sean McMahon 2 siblings, 2 replies; 12+ messages in thread From: Janina Sajka @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Glenn at home, Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. For the record, a Server Class install of the Speakup Modified will take about 2 Gb. Choosing Server Class will provide what you need for an ftp server, and it will provide most of the console utilities you're accustomed to with an "everything" install. Yes, that's how fat the gui environment has become. Glenn at home writes: > I have a computer hooked to my network that I am planning on installing > Linux onto. > It only has a 25 GB hard drive, and I want at least 20 GB for FTP files. > I have been thinking of trying Debian since it appears that it may take less > disks to download. > I only want Linux right now for an FTP server. > Since I have not heard otherwise, I understand that Debian is not ready for > prime time with speakup, so I guess I must go with Fedora, but that takes 3 > ISO's, unless I can get an FTP server going with only the first ISO. > > Can someone advise me here? > Thanks.Glenn > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup -- Janina Sajka, Chair Accessibility Workgroup Free Standards Group (FSG) janina@freestandards.org Phone: +1 202.494.7040 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: Debian or Fedora ` Janina Sajka @ ` Glenn at home ` Keith Watson 1 sibling, 0 replies; 12+ messages in thread From: Glenn at home @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Thanks Janina. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@rednote.net> To: "Glenn at home" <GlennErvin@cableone.net>; "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2004 11:27 AM Subject: Re: Debian or Fedora For the record, a Server Class install of the Speakup Modified will take about 2 Gb. Choosing Server Class will provide what you need for an ftp server, and it will provide most of the console utilities you're accustomed to with an "everything" install. Yes, that's how fat the gui environment has become. Glenn at home writes: > I have a computer hooked to my network that I am planning on installing > Linux onto. > It only has a 25 GB hard drive, and I want at least 20 GB for FTP files. > I have been thinking of trying Debian since it appears that it may take > less > disks to download. > I only want Linux right now for an FTP server. > Since I have not heard otherwise, I understand that Debian is not ready > for > prime time with speakup, so I guess I must go with Fedora, but that takes > 3 > ISO's, unless I can get an FTP server going with only the first ISO. > > Can someone advise me here? > Thanks.Glenn > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup -- Janina Sajka, Chair Accessibility Workgroup Free Standards Group (FSG) janina@freestandards.org Phone: +1 202.494.7040 _______________________________________________ Speakup mailing list Speakup@braille.uwo.ca http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: Debian or Fedora ` Janina Sajka ` Glenn at home @ ` Keith Watson ` Glenn at home ` Janina Sajka 1 sibling, 2 replies; 12+ messages in thread From: Keith Watson @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Janina, Probably way behind on this, but as I run both Fedora and Debian and have just installed a base system of deb on a 12G drive I thought I would throw in my 2 cents. My install was only 435 meg. Keith On 12:27 PM, Janina Sajka wrote: > For the record, a Server Class install of the Speakup Modified will take > about 2 Gb. Choosing Server Class will provide what you need for an ftp > server, and it will provide most of the console utilities you're > accustomed to with an "everything" install. Yes, that's how fat the gui > environment has become. > > Glenn at home writes: > > I have a computer hooked to my network that I am planning on installing > > Linux onto. > > It only has a 25 GB hard drive, and I want at least 20 GB for FTP files. > > I have been thinking of trying Debian since it appears that it may take less > > disks to download. > > I only want Linux right now for an FTP server. > > Since I have not heard otherwise, I understand that Debian is not ready for > > prime time with speakup, so I guess I must go with Fedora, but that takes 3 > > ISO's, unless I can get an FTP server going with only the first ISO. > > > > Can someone advise me here? > > Thanks.Glenn > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > -- > > Janina Sajka, Chair > Accessibility Workgroup > Free Standards Group (FSG) > > janina@freestandards.org Phone: +1 202.494.7040 > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup -- Keith Watson kwatson@smed.yi.org Among the major impediments to discovery are not the ignorant but those with illusions of knowledge. - B. Alan Wallace ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: Debian or Fedora ` Keith Watson @ ` Glenn at home ` Keith Watson ` Janina Sajka 1 sibling, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread From: Glenn at home @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Kwatson, Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Hello Keith & Janina, I am at the network prompt, and I am using a router on a cable modem. It did not detect the dhcp host, and I am wondering if it should automatically. Or should I enter the IP address for the router? I am trying to do a network install. Thanks. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Watson" <Kwatson@smed.yi.org> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2004 11:37 AM Subject: Re: Debian or Fedora Janina, Probably way behind on this, but as I run both Fedora and Debian and have just installed a base system of deb on a 12G drive I thought I would throw in my 2 cents. My install was only 435 meg. Keith On 12:27 PM, Janina Sajka wrote: > For the record, a Server Class install of the Speakup Modified will take > about 2 Gb. Choosing Server Class will provide what you need for an ftp > server, and it will provide most of the console utilities you're > accustomed to with an "everything" install. Yes, that's how fat the gui > environment has become. > > Glenn at home writes: > > I have a computer hooked to my network that I am planning on installing > > Linux onto. > > It only has a 25 GB hard drive, and I want at least 20 GB for FTP files. > > I have been thinking of trying Debian since it appears that it may take > > less > > disks to download. > > I only want Linux right now for an FTP server. > > Since I have not heard otherwise, I understand that Debian is not ready > > for > > prime time with speakup, so I guess I must go with Fedora, but that > > takes 3 > > ISO's, unless I can get an FTP server going with only the first ISO. > > > > Can someone advise me here? > > Thanks.Glenn > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > -- > > Janina Sajka, Chair > Accessibility Workgroup > Free Standards Group (FSG) > > janina@freestandards.org Phone: +1 202.494.7040 > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup -- Keith Watson kwatson@smed.yi.org Among the major impediments to discovery are not the ignorant but those with illusions of knowledge. - B. Alan Wallace _______________________________________________ Speakup mailing list Speakup@braille.uwo.ca http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: Debian or Fedora ` Glenn at home @ ` Keith Watson 0 siblings, 0 replies; 12+ messages in thread From: Keith Watson @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Glenn at home, Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. only if you have a dhcp server. You may have to manually add the ip and gateway. On 11:48 AM, Glenn at home wrote: > Hello Keith & Janina, > I am at the network prompt, and I am using a router on a cable modem. > It did not detect the dhcp host, and I am wondering if it should > automatically. > Or should I enter the IP address for the router? > I am trying to do a network install. > Thanks. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Keith Watson" <Kwatson@smed.yi.org> > To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> > Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2004 11:37 AM > Subject: Re: Debian or Fedora > > > Janina, > > Probably way behind on this, but as I run both Fedora and Debian > and have just installed a base system of deb on a 12G drive I > thought I would throw in my 2 cents. My install was only 435 meg. > > Keith > On 12:27 PM, Janina Sajka wrote: > > For the record, a Server Class install of the Speakup Modified will take > > about 2 Gb. Choosing Server Class will provide what you need for an ftp > > server, and it will provide most of the console utilities you're > > accustomed to with an "everything" install. Yes, that's how fat the gui > > environment has become. > > > > Glenn at home writes: > > > I have a computer hooked to my network that I am planning on installing > > > Linux onto. > > > It only has a 25 GB hard drive, and I want at least 20 GB for FTP files. > > > I have been thinking of trying Debian since it appears that it may take > > > less > > > disks to download. > > > I only want Linux right now for an FTP server. > > > Since I have not heard otherwise, I understand that Debian is not ready > > > for > > > prime time with speakup, so I guess I must go with Fedora, but that > > > takes 3 > > > ISO's, unless I can get an FTP server going with only the first ISO. > > > > > > Can someone advise me here? > > > Thanks.Glenn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Speakup mailing list > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > -- > > > > Janina Sajka, Chair > > Accessibility Workgroup > > Free Standards Group (FSG) > > > > janina@freestandards.org Phone: +1 202.494.7040 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > -- > Keith Watson > kwatson@smed.yi.org > > Among the major impediments to discovery are not the ignorant > but those with illusions of knowledge. - B. Alan Wallace > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup -- Keith Watson kwatson@smed.yi.org Among the major impediments to discovery are not the ignorant but those with illusions of knowledge. - B. Alan Wallace ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: Debian or Fedora ` Keith Watson ` Glenn at home @ ` Janina Sajka 1 sibling, 0 replies; 12+ messages in thread From: Janina Sajka @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Kwatson, Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. No question, Keith. A minimalist installation is not a criterion on Fedora. On the other hand, I'd wager more "just simply works out of the box." PS: I have both here as well. Keith Watson writes: > Janina, > > Probably way behind on this, but as I run both Fedora and Debian > and have just installed a base system of deb on a 12G drive I > thought I would throw in my 2 cents. My install was only 435 meg. > > Keith > On 12:27 PM, Janina Sajka wrote: > > For the record, a Server Class install of the Speakup Modified will take > > about 2 Gb. Choosing Server Class will provide what you need for an ftp > > server, and it will provide most of the console utilities you're > > accustomed to with an "everything" install. Yes, that's how fat the gui > > environment has become. > > > > Glenn at home writes: > > > I have a computer hooked to my network that I am planning on installing > > > Linux onto. > > > It only has a 25 GB hard drive, and I want at least 20 GB for FTP files. > > > I have been thinking of trying Debian since it appears that it may take less > > > disks to download. > > > I only want Linux right now for an FTP server. > > > Since I have not heard otherwise, I understand that Debian is not ready for > > > prime time with speakup, so I guess I must go with Fedora, but that takes 3 > > > ISO's, unless I can get an FTP server going with only the first ISO. > > > > > > Can someone advise me here? > > > Thanks.Glenn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Speakup mailing list > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > -- > > > > Janina Sajka, Chair > > Accessibility Workgroup > > Free Standards Group (FSG) > > > > janina@freestandards.org Phone: +1 202.494.7040 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > -- > Keith Watson > kwatson@smed.yi.org > > Among the major impediments to discovery are not the ignorant > but those with illusions of knowledge. - B. Alan Wallace > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup -- Janina Sajka, Chair Accessibility Workgroup Free Standards Group (FSG) janina@freestandards.org Phone: +1 202.494.7040 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: Debian or Fedora Debian or Fedora Glenn at home ` Tom Moore ` Janina Sajka @ ` Sean McMahon 2 siblings, 0 replies; 12+ messages in thread From: Sean McMahon @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Glenn at home, Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Debian works fine with speakup, just the iso isn't that great. You can always examine the buggs for the testing release which need to be fixed before it becomes stable. Few if any problems related to speakup here on my 800 MB hd. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenn at home" <GlennErvin@cableone.net> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2004 6:50 PM Subject: Debian or Fedora > I have a computer hooked to my network that I am planning on installing > Linux onto. > It only has a 25 GB hard drive, and I want at least 20 GB for FTP files. > I have been thinking of trying Debian since it appears that it may take less > disks to download. > I only want Linux right now for an FTP server. > Since I have not heard otherwise, I understand that Debian is not ready for > prime time with speakup, so I guess I must go with Fedora, but that takes 3 > ISO's, unless I can get an FTP server going with only the first ISO. > > Can someone advise me here? > Thanks.Glenn > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
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