Fedora 3 Speakup Problem

Fedora 3 Speakup Problem

[W. Nick Dotson]

I believe the central aspect of my problem isn't at all the downloaded files, unless, I should've downloaded them as "iso documents" rather than as "all files".  
Also, what kind of image should these be burned as from Nero?  Particularly, the first disc, should it be specifically an "iso boot disc" then what?  A "logical disc 
partition?  A discette image"?  I think this is the heart of my problem, the discs seem OK as I can see the files as "all" but the first one won't boot, although the 
boot images do, but they say, Linux 2.6 something.

Nick

Re: Fedora 3 Speakup Problem

[Paul (Pawel) Loba]

Hi: I can tell you only what I did to run fedora core 3 on my system:
1. Download imiges of fedora core 3 installation disks: 
FC3-i386-disc#.iso.
2. Burn actual cds (never mind what software you use).
3. Make sure that your system can boot up from the cd-rom. (there is no 
dosutility directory on first disk, so I guess you must get some help to 
configure your bios to boot your system from the cd-rom).
4. Run actual installation following excelent instruction written by 
Janina.
There is nothing more behind it.

Hope it helps.
Pawel.

On Fri, 10 Dec 2004, W. Nick Dotson wrote:

> I believe the central aspect of my problem isn't at all the downloaded files, unless, I should've downloaded them as "iso documents" rather than as "all files".  
> Also, what kind of image should these be burned as from Nero?  Particularly, the first disc, should it be specifically an "iso boot disc" then what?  A "logical disc 
> partition?  A discette image"?  I think this is the heart of my problem, the discs seem OK as I can see the files as "all" but the first one won't boot, although the 
> boot images do, but they say, Linux 2.6 something.
> 
> Nick
> 
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Re: Fedora 3 Speakup Problem

[Janina Sajka]

Nick,

What part of the HOWTO don't you understand?

Download the iso images. You need four to install. That's all you need.
You burn with the feature in your software that creates a file structure
from an iso file--whatever your software calls that. Do not download
individual files (other than the four iso images--they're superfluous at
best and will trip you up at worst.) Do not copy the iso file to your cd
rom media.

Now, if you think the HOWTO is insufficiently clear, please suggest how
to clarify.

W. Nick Dotson writes:
> I believe the central aspect of my problem isn't at all the downloaded files, unless, I should've downloaded them as "iso documents" rather than as "all files".  
> Also, what kind of image should these be burned as from Nero?  Particularly, the first disc, should it be specifically an "iso boot disc" then what?  A "logical disc 
> partition?  A discette image"?  I think this is the heart of my problem, the discs seem OK as I can see the files as "all" but the first one won't boot, although the 
> boot images do, but they say, Linux 2.6 something.
> 
> Nick
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re[2]: Fedora 3 Speakup Problem

[Stephen Clower]

Hello Nick,

  Despite the condescention on the list, there's no realy big mystery
  to burning ISO images with Nero. Instead of specifying a particular
  image type to burn when you're in the selection dialog, just choose
  the actual file. Unlike copying straight files, the ISO images have
  been preconfigured to boot. So, all you need do is select burn
  image, choose an iso file such as FC*Disk1i386.iso, and then burn it onto a CD.

----------
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Skype: sclower

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Re: Re[2]: Fedora 3 Speakup Problem

[W. Nick Dotson]

This I have done.  When I examine the disc in Windows Explorer, I encounter 19 objects on the root, including the 
".inf" file, a bunch of "readme"(s), a couple of folders.  However, whereas the 2 discs in the folder, "rescuecd" and 
"boot.iso" can be booted onto and the synthesizer brought to life and the first steps through installation media selection 
run through, it isn't happening for me with the disc1.

Nick

On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 08:44:40 -0600, Stephen Clower wrote:

Hello Nick,

  Despite the condescention on the list, there's no realy big mystery
  to burning ISO images with Nero. Instead of specifying a particular
  image type to burn when you're in the selection dialog, just choose
  the actual file. Unlike copying straight files, the ISO images have
  been preconfigured to boot. So, all you need do is select burn
  image, choose an iso file such as FC*Disk1i386.iso, and then burn it onto a CD.

----------
Stephen Clower
Email/.Net Messenger: steve@steve-audio.net
AIM: AudioRabbit03
Skype: sclower

Check out my little home on the web at http://www.steve-audio.net


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Re: Re[2]: Fedora 3 Speakup Problem (important!)

[David Bruzos]

Hello Nick and everyone else:
Yes, there is a problem with the first FC3 cd image.  It boots in some 
computers in not in others.  I tried to install FC3 on  my desktop 
computer and gave up after hours of trying and not succeeding.  I 
checked the md5sums and the CD image is perfect.  I ended up installing 
FC3 on my laptop which did boot.  I have 4 computers in my house, two of 
them boot and two of them do not.
It is important to say that none of these machines ever had aproblem 
booting from any other installation media.  So, there must be a problem 
with the first CD.
I made two CD's just incase, but they both act the same way...
If anyone wants to know more about what hardware I am using etc, just 
let me know.


Thanx!

David B.
On Fri, Dec 10, 2004 at 09:05:16AM -0600, W. Nick Dotson wrote:
> 
> This I have done.  When I examine the disc in Windows Explorer, I encounter 19 objects on the root, including the 
> ".inf" file, a bunch of "readme"(s), a couple of folders.  However, whereas the 2 discs in the folder, "rescuecd" and 
> "boot.iso" can be booted onto and the synthesizer brought to life and the first steps through installation media selection 
> run through, it isn't happening for me with the disc1.
> 
> Nick
> 
> On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 08:44:40 -0600, Stephen Clower wrote:
> 
> Hello Nick,
> 
>   Despite the condescention on the list, there's no realy big mystery
>   to burning ISO images with Nero. Instead of specifying a particular
>   image type to burn when you're in the selection dialog, just choose
>   the actual file. Unlike copying straight files, the ISO images have
>   been preconfigured to boot. So, all you need do is select burn
>   image, choose an iso file such as FC*Disk1i386.iso, and then burn it onto a CD.
> 
> ----------
> Stephen Clower
> Email/.Net Messenger: steve@steve-audio.net
> AIM: AudioRabbit03
> Skype: sclower
> 
> Check out my little home on the web at http://www.steve-audio.net
> 
> 
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> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Re[2]: Fedora 3 Speakup Problem

[John McCann]

Nick:

I'm not at all sure that this is your problem, and yes, I know this is not a 
list for discussing windows-based apps; however, I wanted to at least be 
sure that you're burning the images correctly, since your using Nero and the 
operating system of the anti-christ, <smile>, as am I...sometimes.

Open up Nero, hit alt, right arrow three times to "recorder", down arrow 
four times to "burn iso image"; in the edit box, type the exact name of / 
link to the FTP file for the disk you need. (Cut and paste works well in 
this situation.)

HTH!

John

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "W. Nick Dotson" <nickdotson@bellsouth.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>; 
"Stephen Clower" <steve@steve-audio.net>
Sent: Friday, December 10, 2004 10:05 AM
Subject: Re: Re[2]: Fedora 3 Speakup Problem


>
> This I have done.  When I examine the disc in Windows Explorer, I 
> encounter 19 objects on the root, including the
> ".inf" file, a bunch of "readme"(s), a couple of folders.  However, 
> whereas the 2 discs in the folder, "rescuecd" and
> "boot.iso" can be booted onto and the synthesizer brought to life and the 
> first steps through installation media selection
> run through, it isn't happening for me with the disc1.
>
> Nick
>
> On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 08:44:40 -0600, Stephen Clower wrote:
>
> Hello Nick,
>
>  Despite the condescention on the list, there's no realy big mystery
>  to burning ISO images with Nero. Instead of specifying a particular
>  image type to burn when you're in the selection dialog, just choose
>  the actual file. Unlike copying straight files, the ISO images have
>  been preconfigured to boot. So, all you need do is select burn
>  image, choose an iso file such as FC*Disk1i386.iso, and then burn it onto 
> a CD.
>
> ----------
> Stephen Clower
> Email/.Net Messenger: steve@steve-audio.net
> AIM: AudioRabbit03
> Skype: sclower
>
> Check out my little home on the web at http://www.steve-audio.net
>
>
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>
>
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RE: Re[2]: Fedora 3 Speakup Problem (important!)

[Adam Myrow]

It may not be a problem with the CD as much as the BIOS of some computers.
It would be good to know whether Fedora 3 boots off an emulated floppy or
directly.  Slackware switched from the emulated floppy method to direct
booting around version 8.1, and many found that they could no longer boot
the CD.  I think there is a reason for switching that has to do with getting
more on the CD, but the drawback, as I understand it, is that some computers
can only boot a CD that uses the 2.88MB emulated floppy method.  There is a
program called the smart boot manager which can boot any partition on any
drive.  Slackware makes it available as a floppy image in the rootdisks
directory of newer versions.  I also think it can be built from source, but
that would require a working compiler.  Unfortunately, there is no way that
I'm aware of to make it talk, so its usefulness is limited.  I was able to
get it to work eventually by hitting the down arrow several times after
booting the floppy.  I eventually guessed the correct number of times to hit
it, and it was able to boot a CD.


-----Original Message-----
From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca]
On Behalf Of David Bruzos
Sent: Friday, December 10, 2004 9:32 AM
To: W. Nick Dotson; Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
Subject: Re: Re[2]: Fedora 3 Speakup Problem (important!)

Hello Nick and everyone else:
Yes, there is a problem with the first FC3 cd image.  It boots in some
computers in not in others.  I tried to install FC3 on  my desktop computer
and gave up after hours of trying and not succeeding.  I checked the md5sums
and the CD image is perfect.  I ended up installing
FC3 on my laptop which did boot.  I have 4 computers in my house, two of
them boot and two of them do not.
It is important to say that none of these machines ever had aproblem booting
from any other installation media.  So, there must be a problem with the
first CD.
I made two CD's just incase, but they both act the same way...
If anyone wants to know more about what hardware I am using etc, just let me
know.


Thanx!

David B.
On Fri, Dec 10, 2004 at 09:05:16AM -0600, W. Nick Dotson wrote:
> 
> This I have done.  When I examine the disc in Windows Explorer, I 
> encounter 19 objects on the root, including the ".inf" file, a bunch 
> of "readme"(s), a couple of folders.  However, whereas the 2 discs in 
> the folder, "rescuecd" and "boot.iso" can be booted onto and the
synthesizer brought to life and the first steps through installation media
selection run through, it isn't happening for me with the disc1.
> 
> Nick
> 
> On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 08:44:40 -0600, Stephen Clower wrote:
> 
> Hello Nick,
> 
>   Despite the condescention on the list, there's no realy big mystery
>   to burning ISO images with Nero. Instead of specifying a particular
>   image type to burn when you're in the selection dialog, just choose
>   the actual file. Unlike copying straight files, the ISO images have
>   been preconfigured to boot. So, all you need do is select burn
>   image, choose an iso file such as FC*Disk1i386.iso, and then burn it
onto a CD.
> 
> ----------
> Stephen Clower
> Email/.Net Messenger: steve@steve-audio.net
> AIM: AudioRabbit03
> Skype: sclower
> 
> Check out my little home on the web at http://www.steve-audio.net
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Re[2]: Fedora 3 Speakup Problem (important!)

[Janina Sajka]

Good point, Adam. Fedora boots direct. 

Adam Myrow writes:
> It may not be a problem with the CD as much as the BIOS of some computers.
> It would be good to know whether Fedora 3 boots off an emulated floppy or
> directly.  Slackware switched from the emulated floppy method to direct
> booting around version 8.1, and many found that they could no longer boot
> the CD.  I think there is a reason for switching that has to do with getting
> more on the CD, but the drawback, as I understand it, is that some computers
> can only boot a CD that uses the 2.88MB emulated floppy method.  There is a
> program called the smart boot manager which can boot any partition on any
> drive.  Slackware makes it available as a floppy image in the rootdisks
> directory of newer versions.  I also think it can be built from source, but
> that would require a working compiler.  Unfortunately, there is no way that
> I'm aware of to make it talk, so its usefulness is limited.  I was able to
> get it to work eventually by hitting the down arrow several times after
> booting the floppy.  I eventually guessed the correct number of times to hit
> it, and it was able to boot a CD.
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca]
> On Behalf Of David Bruzos
> Sent: Friday, December 10, 2004 9:32 AM
> To: W. Nick Dotson; Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
> Subject: Re: Re[2]: Fedora 3 Speakup Problem (important!)
> 
> Hello Nick and everyone else:
> Yes, there is a problem with the first FC3 cd image.  It boots in some
> computers in not in others.  I tried to install FC3 on  my desktop computer
> and gave up after hours of trying and not succeeding.  I checked the md5sums
> and the CD image is perfect.  I ended up installing
> FC3 on my laptop which did boot.  I have 4 computers in my house, two of
> them boot and two of them do not.
> It is important to say that none of these machines ever had aproblem booting
> from any other installation media.  So, there must be a problem with the
> first CD.
> I made two CD's just incase, but they both act the same way...
> If anyone wants to know more about what hardware I am using etc, just let me
> know.
> 
> 
> Thanx!
> 
> David B.
> On Fri, Dec 10, 2004 at 09:05:16AM -0600, W. Nick Dotson wrote:
> > 
> > This I have done.  When I examine the disc in Windows Explorer, I 
> > encounter 19 objects on the root, including the ".inf" file, a bunch 
> > of "readme"(s), a couple of folders.  However, whereas the 2 discs in 
> > the folder, "rescuecd" and "boot.iso" can be booted onto and the
> synthesizer brought to life and the first steps through installation media
> selection run through, it isn't happening for me with the disc1.
> > 
> > Nick
> > 
> > On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 08:44:40 -0600, Stephen Clower wrote:
> > 
> > Hello Nick,
> > 
> >   Despite the condescention on the list, there's no realy big mystery
> >   to burning ISO images with Nero. Instead of specifying a particular
> >   image type to burn when you're in the selection dialog, just choose
> >   the actual file. Unlike copying straight files, the ISO images have
> >   been preconfigured to boot. So, all you need do is select burn
> >   image, choose an iso file such as FC*Disk1i386.iso, and then burn it
> onto a CD.
> > 
> > ----------
> > Stephen Clower
> > Email/.Net Messenger: steve@steve-audio.net
> > AIM: AudioRabbit03
> > Skype: sclower
> > 
> > Check out my little home on the web at http://www.steve-audio.net
> > 
> > 
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> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
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Re: Re[2]: Fedora 3 Speakup Problem

[Janina Sajka]

OK. Nick, it seems you've uncovered something we need to know. Not that
we can necessarily correct it, but we will certainly document it.

If, however, you can boot from boot.iso, or the rescue.iso, by all means
do so and then go to the 4 disk installation set.

W. Nick Dotson writes:
> 
> This I have done.  When I examine the disc in Windows Explorer, I encounter 19 objects on the root, including the 
> ".inf" file, a bunch of "readme"(s), a couple of folders.  However, whereas the 2 discs in the folder, "rescuecd" and 
> "boot.iso" can be booted onto and the synthesizer brought to life and the first steps through installation media selection 
> run through, it isn't happening for me with the disc1.
> 
> Nick
> 
> On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 08:44:40 -0600, Stephen Clower wrote:
> 
> Hello Nick,
> 
>   Despite the condescention on the list, there's no realy big mystery
>   to burning ISO images with Nero. Instead of specifying a particular
>   image type to burn when you're in the selection dialog, just choose
>   the actual file. Unlike copying straight files, the ISO images have
>   been preconfigured to boot. So, all you need do is select burn
>   image, choose an iso file such as FC*Disk1i386.iso, and then burn it onto a CD.
> 
> ----------
> Stephen Clower
> Email/.Net Messenger: steve@steve-audio.net
> AIM: AudioRabbit03
> Skype: sclower
> 
> Check out my little home on the web at http://www.steve-audio.net
> 
> 
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> 
> 
> 
> 
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