slackware 10.0 is out

slackware 10.0 is out

[Gregory Nowak]

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Hi all.

I thought I'd post for the benefit of those who are interested that
slackware 10.0 is out. I'm surprised that they're offering the 2.4.26
kernel, but 2.6.7 is in testing. But then again, they did the same
thing with 2.2 when 2.4 came out.

Greg


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Re: slackware 10.0 is out

[Alex Snow]

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thanks for the info. I'll have to grab the isos and do an upgrade.
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Thu, Jun 24, 2004 at 08:19:37AM -0500, Gregory Nowak wrote:
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> Hi all.
> 
> I thought I'd post for the benefit of those who are interested that
> slackware 10.0 is out. I'm surprised that they're offering the 2.4.26
> kernel, but 2.6.7 is in testing. But then again, they did the same
> thing with 2.2 when 2.4 came out.
> 
> Greg
> 
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Re: slackware 10.0 is out

[Steve Holmes]

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Good luck grabbing ISO's! Every FTP site I tried is maxed out and I
cannot get in!

Brings up a question though.  Bittorrent: How do you get it going? I
thought I'd try bittorrent out to get these ISO's but the
documentation for bittorrent is so bleak I don't know ehere to turn.
The README file says something about starting up a tracker and
creating a template with the .torrent extension but I downloaded four
.torrents from slackware but can't figure out how to start them.

Anybody have more info on this interesting toy?

On Thu, Jun 24, 2004 at 10:18:32AM -0400, Alex Snow wrote:
> thanks for the info. I'll have to grab the isos and do an upgrade.
> On 
> Thu, Jun 24, 2004 at 08:19:37AM -0500, Gregory Nowak wrote:
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> > Hi all.
> > 
> > I thought I'd post for the benefit of those who are interested that
> > slackware 10.0 is out. I'm surprised that they're offering the 2.4.26
> > kernel, but 2.6.7 is in testing. But then again, they did the same
> > thing with 2.2 when 2.4 came out.
> > 
> > Greg
> > 
> > 
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Re: slackware 10.0 is out

[Alex Snow]

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I just installed from the slackware pkg, grabbed the torrents from 
www.slackware.com, ran btdownloadcurses.py ./file.torrent and off it 
went.
It may take a while to start doing something but eventually it'll 
connect.
On Thu, Jun 24, 2004 at 08:05:32AM -0700, Steve Holmes wrote:
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> Good luck grabbing ISO's! Every FTP site I tried is maxed out and I
> cannot get in!
> 
> Brings up a question though.  Bittorrent: How do you get it going? I
> thought I'd try bittorrent out to get these ISO's but the
> documentation for bittorrent is so bleak I don't know ehere to turn.
> The README file says something about starting up a tracker and
> creating a template with the .torrent extension but I downloaded four
> .torrents from slackware but can't figure out how to start them.
> 
> Anybody have more info on this interesting toy?
> 
> On Thu, Jun 24, 2004 at 10:18:32AM -0400, Alex Snow wrote:
> > thanks for the info. I'll have to grab the isos and do an upgrade.
> > On 
> > Thu, Jun 24, 2004 at 08:19:37AM -0500, Gregory Nowak wrote:
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> > > Hi all.
> > > 
> > > I thought I'd post for the benefit of those who are interested that
> > > slackware 10.0 is out. I'm surprised that they're offering the 2.4.26
> > > kernel, but 2.6.7 is in testing. But then again, they did the same
> > > thing with 2.2 when 2.4 came out.
> > > 
> > > Greg
> > > 
> > > 
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Re: slackware 10.0 is out

[Steve Holmes]

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When I tried it, it sat there for two minutes and then timed out being
unable to do this tracker thing.  It apparently couldn't find a
tracker.  Does being behind a firewall / router have anything to do
with it?  I'll try it again but like I said before, it timed out with
an error.

On Thu, Jun 24, 2004 at 11:41:13AM -0400, Alex Snow wrote:
> I just installed from the slackware pkg, grabbed the torrents from 
> www.slackware.com, ran btdownloadcurses.py ./file.torrent and off it 
> went.
> It may take a while to start doing something but eventually it'll 
> connect.
> On Thu, Jun 24, 2004 at 08:05:32AM -0700, Steve Holmes wrote:
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> > Good luck grabbing ISO's! Every FTP site I tried is maxed out and I
> > cannot get in!
> > 
> > Brings up a question though.  Bittorrent: How do you get it going? I
> > thought I'd try bittorrent out to get these ISO's but the
> > documentation for bittorrent is so bleak I don't know ehere to turn.
> > The README file says something about starting up a tracker and
> > creating a template with the .torrent extension but I downloaded four
> > .torrents from slackware but can't figure out how to start them.
> > 
> > Anybody have more info on this interesting toy?
> > 
> > On Thu, Jun 24, 2004 at 10:18:32AM -0400, Alex Snow wrote:
> > > thanks for the info. I'll have to grab the isos and do an upgrade.
> > > On 
> > > Thu, Jun 24, 2004 at 08:19:37AM -0500, Gregory Nowak wrote:
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> > > > 
> > > > Hi all.
> > > > 
> > > > I thought I'd post for the benefit of those who are interested that
> > > > slackware 10.0 is out. I'm surprised that they're offering the 2.4.26
> > > > kernel, but 2.6.7 is in testing. But then again, they did the same
> > > > thing with 2.2 when 2.4 came out.
> > > > 
> > > > Greg
> > > > 
> > > > 
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Re: slackware 10.0 is out

[Alex Snow]

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just leave it alone when it gives those timeouts. mine threw up 
timeout errors for about the first half hour. I think it's bc the 
trackers are so buisy with all the downloaders.
On Thu, Jun 24, 2004 at 
09:23:05AM -0700, Steve Holmes wrote:
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> When I tried it, it sat there for two minutes and then timed out being
> unable to do this tracker thing.  It apparently couldn't find a
> tracker.  Does being behind a firewall / router have anything to do
> with it?  I'll try it again but like I said before, it timed out with
> an error.
> 
> On Thu, Jun 24, 2004 at 11:41:13AM -0400, Alex Snow wrote:
> > I just installed from the slackware pkg, grabbed the torrents from 
> > www.slackware.com, ran btdownloadcurses.py ./file.torrent and off it 
> > went.
> > It may take a while to start doing something but eventually it'll 
> > connect.
> > On Thu, Jun 24, 2004 at 08:05:32AM -0700, Steve Holmes wrote:
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> > > 
> > > Good luck grabbing ISO's! Every FTP site I tried is maxed out and I
> > > cannot get in!
> > > 
> > > Brings up a question though.  Bittorrent: How do you get it going? I
> > > thought I'd try bittorrent out to get these ISO's but the
> > > documentation for bittorrent is so bleak I don't know ehere to turn.
> > > The README file says something about starting up a tracker and
> > > creating a template with the .torrent extension but I downloaded four
> > > .torrents from slackware but can't figure out how to start them.
> > > 
> > > Anybody have more info on this interesting toy?
> > > 
> > > On Thu, Jun 24, 2004 at 10:18:32AM -0400, Alex Snow wrote:
> > > > thanks for the info. I'll have to grab the isos and do an upgrade.
> > > > On 
> > > > Thu, Jun 24, 2004 at 08:19:37AM -0500, Gregory Nowak wrote:
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> > > > > Hi all.
> > > > > 
> > > > > I thought I'd post for the benefit of those who are interested that
> > > > > slackware 10.0 is out. I'm surprised that they're offering the 2.4.26
> > > > > kernel, but 2.6.7 is in testing. But then again, they did the same
> > > > > thing with 2.2 when 2.4 came out.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Greg
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
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Re: slackware 10.0 is out

[Gregory Nowak]

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On Thu, Jun 24, 2004 at 09:23:05AM -0700, Steve Holmes wrote:
> Does being behind a firewall / router have anything to do
> with it? 

Yes. From running btdownloadheadless.py without arguments:

- --minport <arg>
          minimum port to listen on, counts up if unavailable
          (defaults to 6881)

- --maxport <arg>
          maximum port to listen on (defaults to 6999)
 
There also seem to be some indications that it uses http port 80, but
I think that's only for getting data, like you do when you're
browsing. I could be wrong though. 

Greg



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Re: slackware 10.0 is out

[Steve Holmes]

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Well I got it going by typing btdownloadcurses.py
slackware-10.0-install... but the performance is downright horrible!
try rates worse than dial-up 1.2 kb/s and slower.  I haven't tried the
many route yet.  Perhaps I'll kill this current process and see if I
can get something better going.  I'm initiating this from my remote
connection at work and cannot alter my router so not sure now if that
is an issue anymore or not.

On Thu, Jun 24, 2004 at 12:16:27PM -0500, Gregory Nowak wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 24, 2004 at 09:23:05AM -0700, Steve Holmes wrote:
> > Does being behind a firewall / router have anything to do
> > with it? 
> 
> Yes. From running btdownloadheadless.py without arguments:
> 
> --minport <arg>
>           minimum port to listen on, counts up if unavailable
>           (defaults to 6881)
> 
> --maxport <arg>
>           maximum port to listen on (defaults to 6999)
>  
> There also seem to be some indications that it uses http port 80, but
> I think that's only for getting data, like you do when you're
> browsing. I could be wrong though. 
> 
> Greg
> 
> 
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Re: slackware 10.0 is out

[Steve Holmes]

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So has anyone on here used bittorrent from behind a router/firewall?
If so, what ports did you forward back into your client machine?  I
was hoping to get this going while I was at work but if I have to go
and messaround with port forwarding and all that jazz, I guess this
will have to wait <sigh>.

On Thu, Jun 24, 2004 at 10:49:44AM -0700, Steve Holmes wrote:
> Well I got it going by typing btdownloadcurses.py
> slackware-10.0-install... but the performance is downright horrible!
> try rates worse than dial-up 1.2 kb/s and slower.  I haven't tried the
> many route yet.  Perhaps I'll kill this current process and see if I
> can get something better going.  I'm initiating this from my remote
> connection at work and cannot alter my router so not sure now if that
> is an issue anymore or not.
> 
> On Thu, Jun 24, 2004 at 12:16:27PM -0500, Gregory Nowak wrote:
> > On Thu, Jun 24, 2004 at 09:23:05AM -0700, Steve Holmes wrote:
> > > Does being behind a firewall / router have anything to do
> > > with it? 
> > 
> > Yes. From running btdownloadheadless.py without arguments:
> > 
> > --minport <arg>
> >           minimum port to listen on, counts up if unavailable
> >           (defaults to 6881)
> > 
> > --maxport <arg>
> >           maximum port to listen on (defaults to 6999)
> >  
> > There also seem to be some indications that it uses http port 80, but
> > I think that's only for getting data, like you do when you're
> > browsing. I could be wrong though. 
> > 
> > Greg
> > 
> > 
> > 
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Re: slackware 10.0 is out

[Alex Snow]

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I'm running bittorrent on my server machine which is dmzed. getting 
120kbps atm.
On Thu, Jun 24, 2004 at 11:46:00AM -0700, Steve Holmes 
wrote:
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> So has anyone on here used bittorrent from behind a router/firewall?
> If so, what ports did you forward back into your client machine?  I
> was hoping to get this going while I was at work but if I have to go
> and messaround with port forwarding and all that jazz, I guess this
> will have to wait <sigh>.
> 
> On Thu, Jun 24, 2004 at 10:49:44AM -0700, Steve Holmes wrote:
> > Well I got it going by typing btdownloadcurses.py
> > slackware-10.0-install... but the performance is downright horrible!
> > try rates worse than dial-up 1.2 kb/s and slower.  I haven't tried the
> > many route yet.  Perhaps I'll kill this current process and see if I
> > can get something better going.  I'm initiating this from my remote
> > connection at work and cannot alter my router so not sure now if that
> > is an issue anymore or not.
> > 
> > On Thu, Jun 24, 2004 at 12:16:27PM -0500, Gregory Nowak wrote:
> > > On Thu, Jun 24, 2004 at 09:23:05AM -0700, Steve Holmes wrote:
> > > > Does being behind a firewall / router have anything to do
> > > > with it? 
> > > 
> > > Yes. From running btdownloadheadless.py without arguments:
> > > 
> > > --minport <arg>
> > >           minimum port to listen on, counts up if unavailable
> > >           (defaults to 6881)
> > > 
> > > --maxport <arg>
> > >           maximum port to listen on (defaults to 6999)
> > >  
> > > There also seem to be some indications that it uses http port 80, but
> > > I think that's only for getting data, like you do when you're
> > > browsing. I could be wrong though. 
> > > 
> > > Greg
> > > 
> > > 
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Re: slackware 10.0 is out

[Gregory Nowak]

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How are you figuring out how many Kb/S it is? I get the following
output, and I'm not seeing that indicated anywhere. In fact, I'm not
sure what most of this stuff is supposed to represent.

slackware/slackware-10.0-source-d3: Spd: 3.4 KB/263  B Tot: 84.7
MB/29.2 MB [151:25:34 4%]
slackware/slackware-10.0-install-d1: Spd: 1.8 KB/2.2 KB Tot: 36.2
MB/15.5 MB [209:21:18 2%]
slackware/slackware-10.0-source-d4: Spd: 1.2 KB/1.5 KB Tot: 67.6
MB/46.5 MB [86:57:06 8%]
slackware/slackware-10.0-install-d2: Spd: 2.2 KB/3.1 KB Tot: 85.3
MB/26.2 MB [167:05:04 4%]
All: Spd: 8.6 KB/7.1 KB Tot: 273.8 MB/117.4 MB
 
All I know is that an hour ago, doing a 

du -sh slackware

showed me that the slackware directory is 100 Mb in size. Now, an hour
later it is at 120 Mb in size, which really makes me feel like I'm on
dial-up. Besides that, web browsing reaffirms the dial-up feeling. It
seems like maybe this program should be called bittrickle, instead of
bittorrent (LOL)?
What I mean is that it seems to be saturating my up/down streams,
without showing much as a result if that makes sense.

Greg


On Thu, Jun 24, 2004 at 04:02:25PM -0400, Alex Snow wrote:
> I'm running bittorrent on my server machine which is dmzed. getting 
> 120kbps atm.

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Re: slackware 10.0 is out

[Gregory Nowak]

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Wait a minute ... something just occurred to me. Alex, are you on
cable, and Steve, are you on DSL, or should I say ADSL? If Alex is on
cable, and he's getting these wooping 120 KbpS speeds, and if Steve is
on ADSL, and he's getting dial-up speeds like me, then it would seem
that the upstream speed seems to be the big show stopper for Steve and
I.

Greg


On Thu, Jun 24, 2004 at 04:25:58PM -0500, Gregory Nowak wrote:
> How are you figuring out how many Kb/S it is? I get the following
> output, and I'm not seeing that indicated anywhere. In fact, I'm not
> sure what most of this stuff is supposed to represent.
> 
> slackware/slackware-10.0-source-d3: Spd: 3.4 KB/263  B Tot: 84.7
> MB/29.2 MB [151:25:34 4%]
> slackware/slackware-10.0-install-d1: Spd: 1.8 KB/2.2 KB Tot: 36.2
> MB/15.5 MB [209:21:18 2%]
> slackware/slackware-10.0-source-d4: Spd: 1.2 KB/1.5 KB Tot: 67.6
> MB/46.5 MB [86:57:06 8%]
> slackware/slackware-10.0-install-d2: Spd: 2.2 KB/3.1 KB Tot: 85.3
> MB/26.2 MB [167:05:04 4%]
> All: Spd: 8.6 KB/7.1 KB Tot: 273.8 MB/117.4 MB
>  
> All I know is that an hour ago, doing a 
> 
> du -sh slackware
> 
> showed me that the slackware directory is 100 Mb in size. Now, an hour
> later it is at 120 Mb in size, which really makes me feel like I'm on
> dial-up. Besides that, web browsing reaffirms the dial-up feeling. It
> seems like maybe this program should be called bittrickle, instead of
> bittorrent (LOL)?
> What I mean is that it seems to be saturating my up/down streams,
> without showing much as a result if that makes sense.
> 
> Greg
> 
> 

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Re: slackware 10.0 is out

[Steve Holmes]

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Actually, I'm on cable and the other day, I was able to download a
kernel source at over 360k per second.  Early this morning, I
downloaded another file from postgresql.org at 270 K per second.  But
in general, my upload speeds never exceed 30 K before and after my
router change.

I ran earlier today btdownloadcurses.py which gave me some interesting
stats but that was when the transfer speed was so horrible. I haven't
had a chance to forward the ports for btdownloadheadless.py but from
what I've seen so far, I'm quite disappointed and unimpressed with
bittorrent.  I suppose it has an interesting concept in theory but the
performance just flat sucked on my machine so far.  FTP is much faster
- - IF i CAN GET IN, that is.  I've been trying rsync too but I haven't
had a chance to see if it really works in this situation.

On Thu, Jun 24, 2004 at 05:00:41PM -0500, Gregory Nowak wrote:
> Wait a minute ... something just occurred to me. Alex, are you on
> cable, and Steve, are you on DSL, or should I say ADSL? If Alex is on
> cable, and he's getting these wooping 120 KbpS speeds, and if Steve is
> on ADSL, and he's getting dial-up speeds like me, then it would seem
> that the upstream speed seems to be the big show stopper for Steve and
> I.
> 
> Greg
> 
> 
> On Thu, Jun 24, 2004 at 04:25:58PM -0500, Gregory Nowak wrote:
> > How are you figuring out how many Kb/S it is? I get the following
> > output, and I'm not seeing that indicated anywhere. In fact, I'm not
> > sure what most of this stuff is supposed to represent.
> > 
> > slackware/slackware-10.0-source-d3: Spd: 3.4 KB/263  B Tot: 84.7
> > MB/29.2 MB [151:25:34 4%]
> > slackware/slackware-10.0-install-d1: Spd: 1.8 KB/2.2 KB Tot: 36.2
> > MB/15.5 MB [209:21:18 2%]
> > slackware/slackware-10.0-source-d4: Spd: 1.2 KB/1.5 KB Tot: 67.6
> > MB/46.5 MB [86:57:06 8%]
> > slackware/slackware-10.0-install-d2: Spd: 2.2 KB/3.1 KB Tot: 85.3
> > MB/26.2 MB [167:05:04 4%]
> > All: Spd: 8.6 KB/7.1 KB Tot: 273.8 MB/117.4 MB
> >  
> > All I know is that an hour ago, doing a 
> > 
> > du -sh slackware
> > 
> > showed me that the slackware directory is 100 Mb in size. Now, an hour
> > later it is at 120 Mb in size, which really makes me feel like I'm on
> > dial-up. Besides that, web browsing reaffirms the dial-up feeling. It
> > seems like maybe this program should be called bittrickle, instead of
> > bittorrent (LOL)?
> > What I mean is that it seems to be saturating my up/down streams,
> > without showing much as a result if that makes sense.
> > 
> > Greg
> > 
> > 
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Re: slackware 10.0 is out

[Gregory Nowak]

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Well, there goes that theory then. Things are actually starting to
radically speed up here. My guess is the offices closed, and people went
home at 6:00, leaving more available bandwidth, or something like
that. Anyways, the size of my slackware directory is growing at about
7 megs per minute. It's not only bittorrent either, I can actually
browse the web now without much noticeable delay. So, I guess the
trickle is starting to turn into a torrent here after all (grin).

Greg


On Thu, Jun 24, 2004 at 04:08:36PM -0700, Steve Holmes wrote:
> Actually, I'm on cable and the other day, I was able to download a
> kernel source at over 360k per second.  Early this morning, I
> downloaded another file from postgresql.org at 270 K per second.  But
> in general, my upload speeds never exceed 30 K before and after my
> router change.
> 
> I ran earlier today btdownloadcurses.py which gave me some interesting
> stats but that was when the transfer speed was so horrible. I haven't
> had a chance to forward the ports for btdownloadheadless.py but from
> what I've seen so far, I'm quite disappointed and unimpressed with
> bittorrent.  I suppose it has an interesting concept in theory but the
> performance just flat sucked on my machine so far.  FTP is much faster
> - IF i CAN GET IN, that is.  I've been trying rsync too but I haven't
> had a chance to see if it really works in this situation.
> 

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Re: slackware 10.0 is out

[Alex Snow]

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I'm on cable with 2mbps? 3mbps? it changes daily) downstream and 
128kbps up. all those are in kilobits per second.
On Thu, Jun 24, 2004 at 
05:00:41PM -0500, Gregory Nowak wrote:
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> Wait a minute ... something just occurred to me. Alex, are you on
> cable, and Steve, are you on DSL, or should I say ADSL? If Alex is on
> cable, and he's getting these wooping 120 KbpS speeds, and if Steve is
> on ADSL, and he's getting dial-up speeds like me, then it would seem
> that the upstream speed seems to be the big show stopper for Steve and
> I.
> 
> Greg
> 
> 
> On Thu, Jun 24, 2004 at 04:25:58PM -0500, Gregory Nowak wrote:
> > How are you figuring out how many Kb/S it is? I get the following
> > output, and I'm not seeing that indicated anywhere. In fact, I'm not
> > sure what most of this stuff is supposed to represent.
> > 
> > slackware/slackware-10.0-source-d3: Spd: 3.4 KB/263  B Tot: 84.7
> > MB/29.2 MB [151:25:34 4%]
> > slackware/slackware-10.0-install-d1: Spd: 1.8 KB/2.2 KB Tot: 36.2
> > MB/15.5 MB [209:21:18 2%]
> > slackware/slackware-10.0-source-d4: Spd: 1.2 KB/1.5 KB Tot: 67.6
> > MB/46.5 MB [86:57:06 8%]
> > slackware/slackware-10.0-install-d2: Spd: 2.2 KB/3.1 KB Tot: 85.3
> > MB/26.2 MB [167:05:04 4%]
> > All: Spd: 8.6 KB/7.1 KB Tot: 273.8 MB/117.4 MB
> >  
> > All I know is that an hour ago, doing a 
> > 
> > du -sh slackware
> > 
> > showed me that the slackware directory is 100 Mb in size. Now, an hour
> > later it is at 120 Mb in size, which really makes me feel like I'm on
> > dial-up. Besides that, web browsing reaffirms the dial-up feeling. It
> > seems like maybe this program should be called bittrickle, instead of
> > bittorrent (LOL)?
> > What I mean is that it seems to be saturating my up/down streams,
> > without showing much as a result if that makes sense.
> > 
> > Greg
> > 
> > 
> 
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Re: slackware 10.0 is out

[Alex Snow]

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I was using btdownloadcurses.py to download the files. that shows all 
kinds of stats like errors, speed up/down, megabites 
downloaded/uploaded, etc.
On 
Thu, Jun 24, 2004 at 04:25:58PM -0500, Gregory Nowak wrote:
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: SHA1
> 
> How are you figuring out how many Kb/S it is? I get the following
> output, and I'm not seeing that indicated anywhere. In fact, I'm not
> sure what most of this stuff is supposed to represent.
> 
> slackware/slackware-10.0-source-d3: Spd: 3.4 KB/263  B Tot: 84.7
> MB/29.2 MB [151:25:34 4%]
> slackware/slackware-10.0-install-d1: Spd: 1.8 KB/2.2 KB Tot: 36.2
> MB/15.5 MB [209:21:18 2%]
> slackware/slackware-10.0-source-d4: Spd: 1.2 KB/1.5 KB Tot: 67.6
> MB/46.5 MB [86:57:06 8%]
> slackware/slackware-10.0-install-d2: Spd: 2.2 KB/3.1 KB Tot: 85.3
> MB/26.2 MB [167:05:04 4%]
> All: Spd: 8.6 KB/7.1 KB Tot: 273.8 MB/117.4 MB
>  
> All I know is that an hour ago, doing a 
> 
> du -sh slackware
> 
> showed me that the slackware directory is 100 Mb in size. Now, an hour
> later it is at 120 Mb in size, which really makes me feel like I'm on
> dial-up. Besides that, web browsing reaffirms the dial-up feeling. It
> seems like maybe this program should be called bittrickle, instead of
> bittorrent (LOL)?
> What I mean is that it seems to be saturating my up/down streams,
> without showing much as a result if that makes sense.
> 
> Greg
> 
> 
> On Thu, Jun 24, 2004 at 04:02:25PM -0400, Alex Snow wrote:
> > I'm running bittorrent on my server machine which is dmzed. getting 
> > 120kbps atm.
> 
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Re: slackware 10.0 is out

[Steve Holmes]

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Yes, I opened up the range of ports 6881 thru 6999 on my router for
both TCP and UDP since I don't know what protocol they are using and
all four torrents are going now.  The btlaunchmany program does
display a lot of information though it looks kinda cryptic.  I see the
spd: which must be speeds and I also see accumulated counts in MB.
What I don't know yet, is there are always two numbers one before and
the other after a slash character.  I'll bet one is upload and the
other is down.  Now to figure out which is which.  I noticed this
morening whild attempting to use btdownloadcurses that the uploads
were always exceeding downloads.  I don't know how that would be
possible if I don't have that data available if ya know what I mean.
I thought the file had to be already on your computer before it could
be shared.

On Thu, Jun 24, 2004 at 08:39:02PM -0400, Alex Snow wrote:
> I was using btdownloadcurses.py to download the files. that shows all 
> kinds of stats like errors, speed up/down, megabites 
> downloaded/uploaded, etc.
> On 
> Thu, Jun 24, 2004 at 04:25:58PM -0500, Gregory Nowak wrote:
> > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> > Hash: SHA1
> > 
> > How are you figuring out how many Kb/S it is? I get the following
> > output, and I'm not seeing that indicated anywhere. In fact, I'm not
> > sure what most of this stuff is supposed to represent.
> > 
> > slackware/slackware-10.0-source-d3: Spd: 3.4 KB/263  B Tot: 84.7
> > MB/29.2 MB [151:25:34 4%]
> > slackware/slackware-10.0-install-d1: Spd: 1.8 KB/2.2 KB Tot: 36.2
> > MB/15.5 MB [209:21:18 2%]
> > slackware/slackware-10.0-source-d4: Spd: 1.2 KB/1.5 KB Tot: 67.6
> > MB/46.5 MB [86:57:06 8%]
> > slackware/slackware-10.0-install-d2: Spd: 2.2 KB/3.1 KB Tot: 85.3
> > MB/26.2 MB [167:05:04 4%]
> > All: Spd: 8.6 KB/7.1 KB Tot: 273.8 MB/117.4 MB
> >  
> > All I know is that an hour ago, doing a 
> > 
> > du -sh slackware
> > 
> > showed me that the slackware directory is 100 Mb in size. Now, an hour
> > later it is at 120 Mb in size, which really makes me feel like I'm on
> > dial-up. Besides that, web browsing reaffirms the dial-up feeling. It
> > seems like maybe this program should be called bittrickle, instead of
> > bittorrent (LOL)?
> > What I mean is that it seems to be saturating my up/down streams,
> > without showing much as a result if that makes sense.
> > 
> > Greg
> > 
> > 
> > On Thu, Jun 24, 2004 at 04:02:25PM -0400, Alex Snow wrote:
> > > I'm running bittorrent on my server machine which is dmzed. getting 
> > > 120kbps atm.
> > 
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Re: slackware 10.0 is out

[Gregory Nowak]

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On Thu, Jun 24, 2004 at 07:31:49PM -0700, Steve Holmes wrote:
> Yes, I opened up the range of ports 6881 thru 6999 on my router for
> both TCP and UDP since I don't know what protocol they are using and
> all four torrents are going now. 

Running netstat here shows that it seems to all be TCP and no UDP.

> The btlaunchmany program does
> display a lot of information though it looks kinda cryptic.  I see the
> spd: which must be speeds and I also see accumulated counts in MB.
> What I don't know yet, is there are always two numbers one before and
> the other after a slash character.  I'll bet one is upload and the
> other is down.  Now to figure out which is which. 

Yeah, it's a mystery to me too.

> I noticed this
> morening whild attempting to use btdownloadcurses that the uploads
> were always exceeding downloads.  I don't know how that would be
> possible if I don't have that data available if ya know what I mean.
> I thought the file had to be already on your computer before it could
> be shared.
> 

- From what I understand, as long as you have some part of a file that
someone else needs, you're fair game for contributing upload
bandwidth. In other words, I don't think you need to have the entire
file in order to let people download from you.

Greg




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Re: slackware 10.0 is out

[Steve Holmes]

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Hey, the subject of this thread was what the subject currently
reflects on this message and not text editors.  I really wish if
somebody is going to start a new thread, please don't just hit the
reply key to start things, use a brand new message instead.
<Rant off>.

I wanted to share what I currently observe with BitTorrent's console.
My four ISO's are all complete and verified now but some upload is
still in progress.  I will paste in one of the stat lines and comment
following it.

All: Spd: 29.8 KB/127.0 KB Tot: 1.0 GB/2.5 GB

I observe that the numbers before each slash are still changing where
the numbers after the slash are not changing.  Thus I believe the
ratios are upload / download.  I think the Spd: and Tot: labels speak
for themselves.

After starting this up and heading off to bed for several hours, I
would say that BitTorrent has done a bang up job for me after all and
any previous complaints I made, well, forget 'm.

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Re: slackware 10.0 is out

[Cheryl Homiak]

BitTorrent also resumes very nicely if you have to kill it for some 
reason, goes through and checks whether what was previously done is all 
still there. Of course, the proof of the pudding will be whether the cds 
work.
I actually haven't been a slackware user since my zipspeak initiation into 
linux, but was in the mood to get these and take a look at them.
My only question is: does bitTorrent ever finally quit on its own or will 
it set there and use you for upload unless/until you pull the plug? While 
it seems to work, I sure couldn't find much relevant information on this 
package!!!


-- 
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"Where your treasure is, there will your heart be also."

Re: slackware 10.0 is out

[Alex Snow]

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I don't think it quits. my downloads finished last night and I finally 
had to nuke the process this morning bc it was using all my bandwidth 
for some reason.
On Fri, Jun 25, 2004 at 10:42:17AM -0500, Cheryl Homiak 
wrote:
> BitTorrent also resumes very nicely if you have to kill it for some 
> reason, goes through and checks whether what was previously done is all 
> still there. Of course, the proof of the pudding will be whether the cds 
> work.
> I actually haven't been a slackware user since my zipspeak initiation into 
> linux, but was in the mood to get these and take a look at them.
> My only question is: does bitTorrent ever finally quit on its own or will 
> it set there and use you for upload unless/until you pull the plug? While 
> it seems to work, I sure couldn't find much relevant information on this 
> package!!!
> 
> 
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Re: slackware 10.0 is out

[Gregory Nowak]

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I would however encourage you and anyone else to let bittorrent run
when you're not using the web, so that others can take advantage of
your files and bandwidth, and be able to download their images
faster. After all, there is a very good chance that you were able to
download as fast as you were, because somebody with a finished
download left their bittorrent session running. In fact, slackware has
the same plea on their bittorrent page.

Greg


On Fri, Jun 25, 2004 at 01:57:45PM -0400, Alex Snow wrote:
> I don't think it quits. my downloads finished last night and I finally 
> had to nuke the process this morning bc it was using all my bandwidth 
> for some reason.

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more on bittorrent: was slackware 10.0 is out

[Cheryl Homiak]

Good point; I have let it run for quite a while.
Also the conjectures about upload and download are correct; if you go to 
the Knoppix website one of the downloads is through bittorent, except they 
have you do it right through your browser apparently. If you hit that link 
(don't worry about the login; doesn't appear to take anonymous) it will 
start showing your progress and it does have upload and download stats 
labeled so you know which is which.


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Re: slackware 10.0 is out

[Alex Snow]

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Yeah I was planning to fire it up again before I went to bed tonight 
and then leave it going until I needed the bandwidth back.
On Fri, Jun 
25, 2004 at 02:07:39PM -0500, Gregory Nowak wrote:
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> I would however encourage you and anyone else to let bittorrent run
> when you're not using the web, so that others can take advantage of
> your files and bandwidth, and be able to download their images
> faster. After all, there is a very good chance that you were able to
> download as fast as you were, because somebody with a finished
> download left their bittorrent session running. In fact, slackware has
> the same plea on their bittorrent page.
> 
> Greg
> 
> 
> On Fri, Jun 25, 2004 at 01:57:45PM -0400, Alex Snow wrote:
> > I don't think it quits. my downloads finished last night and I finally 
> > had to nuke the process this morning bc it was using all my bandwidth 
> > for some reason.
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Re: slackware 10.0 is out

[Gregory Nowak]

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On Fri, Jun 25, 2004 at 10:42:17AM -0500, Cheryl Homiak wrote:
> Of course, the proof of the pudding will be whether the cds 
> work.

I don't see why they shouldn't, since all the md5 sums, and gpg
signatures check just fine.

> My only question is: does bitTorrent ever finally quit on its own or will 
> it set there and use you for upload unless/until you pull the plug? While 
> it seems to work, I sure couldn't find much relevant information on this 
> package!!!
> 

No, it will continue using you for upload, until you kill it. I found
that doing a ctrl+c on btlaunchmany.py makes it stop all the torrents,
but after it does, it just sits there, and I had to login into another
console and kill it.

Greg



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Re: slackware 10.0 is out

[Erik Heil]

Hmm, maybe that might be a bug in the bittorent client?  b/c when you hit 
ctrl-c or ctrl-break, any normally behaved application will exit 
gracefully and clean up after itself.  i.e. no zombie processes running, 
and delate stuff it has in /tmp, /var/tmp, /var/run, etc.

Re: slackware 10.0 is out

[Gregory Nowak]

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On Fri, Jun 25, 2004 at 06:34:10AM -0700, Steve Holmes wrote:
> Hey, the subject of this thread was what the subject currently
> reflects on this message and not text editors.  I really wish if
> somebody is going to start a new thread, please don't just hit the
> reply key to start things, use a brand new message instead.
> <Rant off>.
> 

Hang on there Steve. The text editor thread did start out under its
own subject, and not this one.

> I observe that the numbers before each slash are still changing where
> the numbers after the slash are not changing.  Thus I believe the
> ratios are upload / download.  I think the Spd: and Tot: labels speak
> for themselves.
> 

Those are my observations as well. When I got up this morning, and
noticed that I had all the isos, looking at the numbers, I said to
myself "I know now which is upload, and which is download".

> After starting this up and heading off to bed for several hours, I
> would say that BitTorrent has done a bang up job for me after all and
> any previous complaints I made, well, forget 'm.
> 

Yeah, all complaints off here too. I went to bed at 1 A.M., and the
size of my slackware directory was about 800 Megs. When I got up at
about 8 A.M. and checked on the isos, they were done, and my slackware
directory is about 2.6 gigs in size. I find it hard to believe that I
went from 800 Megs to 2.6 gigs in 7 hours or so, but the evidence is
there.

Greg


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Re: slackware 10.0 is out

[Gregory Nowak]

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Don't bother with ftp, I didn't even go there this year. Once I got
all the isos here, I'm planning to post them on my ftp site, for
anybody in the speakup community who wants to take that route. I think
someone did this last year, but I didn't have my ftp server setup
then, and I do now.

If you can take the bittorrent route, please do so, and share the
bandwidth. This will help all of us download faster, and won't further
burden the ftp mirrors.

As for bittorrent, the docs aren't good. Here is a run down based on
some tinkering around on how to get bittorrent going.

1. Install bittorrent.

2. Grab the .torrent files from slackware's site, and put them in a
directory, which I'll call slackware for example purposes.

3. Run the following:

btlaunchmany.py slackware

, where slackware is the path to the directory with the torrent
files. You could also run btlaunchmany.py, and btdownloadheadless.py
with arguments to  get usage instructions.

The stuff in the README about running tracker is only as far as I
could tell, if you created files, and want to be the central server
that coordinates the downloads. Hth.

Greg


On Thu, Jun 24, 2004 at 08:05:32AM -0700, Steve Holmes wrote:
> Good luck grabbing ISO's! Every FTP site I tried is maxed out and I
> cannot get in!
> 
> Brings up a question though.  Bittorrent: How do you get it going? I
> thought I'd try bittorrent out to get these ISO's but the
> documentation for bittorrent is so bleak I don't know ehere to turn.
> The README file says something about starting up a tracker and
> creating a template with the .torrent extension but I downloaded four
> .torrents from slackware but can't figure out how to start them.
> 
> Anybody have more info on this interesting toy?
> 

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Re: slackware 10.0 is out

[nick G]

I don't know, I don't think the Iso's are out.
Thanks,
Nick
----- Original Message ----- 
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To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 10:18 AM
Subject: Re: slackware 10.0 is out


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> thanks for the info. I'll have to grab the isos and do an upgrade.
> On
> Thu, Jun 24, 2004 at 08:19:37AM -0500, Gregory Nowak wrote:
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> > Hi all.
> >
> > I thought I'd post for the benefit of those who are interested that
> > slackware 10.0 is out. I'm surprised that they're offering the 2.4.26
> > kernel, but 2.6.7 is in testing. But then again, they did the same
> > thing with 2.2 when 2.4 came out.
> >
> > Greg
> >
> >
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Re: slackware 10.0 is out

[Alex Snow]

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yeah they are. use bittorrent
On Thu, Jun 24, 2004 at 11:09:27AM -0400, 
nick G wrote:
> I don't know, I don't think the Iso's are out.
> Thanks,
> Nick
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Alex Snow" <alex_snow@gmx.net>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 10:18 AM
> Subject: Re: slackware 10.0 is out
> 
> 
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> > thanks for the info. I'll have to grab the isos and do an upgrade.
> > On
> > Thu, Jun 24, 2004 at 08:19:37AM -0500, Gregory Nowak wrote:
> > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
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> > >
> > > Hi all.
> > >
> > > I thought I'd post for the benefit of those who are interested that
> > > slackware 10.0 is out. I'm surprised that they're offering the 2.4.26
> > > kernel, but 2.6.7 is in testing. But then again, they did the same
> > > thing with 2.2 when 2.4 came out.
> > >
> > > Greg
> > >
> > >
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Re: slackware 10.0 is out

[Steve Holmes]

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They say they are.  They're encourging people to use bittorrent if
possible.  I managed to run btdownloadcurses.py and passed one of the
slackware torrent stubs but it said it couldn't find a tracker or
something.  I'm not at home now so can't build my own tracker as I
would have to set up some port forwarding on my router, apparently.
It sounds like an interesting concept if I can get it going.

On Thu, Jun 24, 2004 at 11:09:27AM -0400, nick G wrote:
> I don't know, I don't think the Iso's are out.
> Thanks,
> Nick
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Alex Snow" <alex_snow@gmx.net>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 10:18 AM
> Subject: Re: slackware 10.0 is out
> 
> 
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> >
> > thanks for the info. I'll have to grab the isos and do an upgrade.
> > On
> > Thu, Jun 24, 2004 at 08:19:37AM -0500, Gregory Nowak wrote:
> > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
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> > >
> > > Hi all.
> > >
> > > I thought I'd post for the benefit of those who are interested that
> > > slackware 10.0 is out. I'm surprised that they're offering the 2.4.26
> > > kernel, but 2.6.7 is in testing. But then again, they did the same
> > > thing with 2.2 when 2.4 came out.
> > >
> > > Greg
> > >
> > >
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Re: slackware 10.0 is out

[Alex Snow]

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Yeah I got those errors too but I just left it alone, came back 45 
minutes later and it was happily downloading.
On Thu, Jun 24, 2004 at 
08:54:37AM -0700, Steve Holmes wrote:
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> They say they are.  They're encourging people to use bittorrent if
> possible.  I managed to run btdownloadcurses.py and passed one of the
> slackware torrent stubs but it said it couldn't find a tracker or
> something.  I'm not at home now so can't build my own tracker as I
> would have to set up some port forwarding on my router, apparently.
> It sounds like an interesting concept if I can get it going.
> 
> On Thu, Jun 24, 2004 at 11:09:27AM -0400, nick G wrote:
> > I don't know, I don't think the Iso's are out.
> > Thanks,
> > Nick
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Alex Snow" <alex_snow@gmx.net>
> > To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 10:18 AM
> > Subject: Re: slackware 10.0 is out
> > 
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> > > thanks for the info. I'll have to grab the isos and do an upgrade.
> > > On
> > > Thu, Jun 24, 2004 at 08:19:37AM -0500, Gregory Nowak wrote:
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> > > >
> > > > I thought I'd post for the benefit of those who are interested that
> > > > slackware 10.0 is out. I'm surprised that they're offering the 2.4.26
> > > > kernel, but 2.6.7 is in testing. But then again, they did the same
> > > > thing with 2.2 when 2.4 came out.
> > > >
> > > > Greg
> > > >
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text editors

[Danny Keogh]

Hi people.  Is there actually such a thing as a normal text
editor for linux?  Every one I've used so far seems to rely on
complicated interfaces and ridiculous commands to do simple
things you should be able to do simply by moving a cursor around
the screen.  All I want to do is start editing some
configuration files and actually learn how to use this thing
properly but I've yet to find a simple to use text editor.  Or
am I just asking way too much here?



		
Danny Keogh
<mailto:dwkeogh@optushome.com.au>
			

Re: text editors

[Buddy Brannan]

Define simple. Everything's complicated until you know how it works,
then it's not so complicated anymore. If you think Word is simple, I'd
have to disagree. WordPerfect 5.1 wasn't simple until I learned how to
run it and how to get help with it. If you want something that's
simple, you likely mean that you want something like something else
you've used before, and you probably won't get anything like that. 

However, not knowing what you've tried, I can't comment as to its
relative ease of use, complexity, feature richness, or anything
else. Unless you tell us which editors you've tried already, we really
can't help you find one that might meet your needs better. 

Having said that, however, may I suggest nano? 

If it's not on your distribution, it should be. It's very like pico,
only more so. And there are two lines of help at the bottom of every
screen with more available easily. Actually, nano meets a lot of my
needs. I use it or emacs. Is it simple? Well, I'd say it's easy to
use, but then again, I've used it (or pico, which is similar but less)
for about 10 years, but I did get started with it pretty fast.
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Re: text editors

[Shaun Oliver]

nano or pico are your best bets
they're easy enough to use.
emacs and vi are both a steep learning curve but benificial in the end.
hth

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Re: text editors

[Willem van der Walt<willem@top.health.gov.za>]

Hi,
I find joe to be easy to use.
Its default key bindings is like that of the old turbo-pascal editor. 
Pico that comes with pine is also easy.
hth
Willem


On Fri, 25 Jun 2004, Danny Keogh wrote:

> Hi people.  Is there actually such a thing as a normal text
> editor for linux?  Every one I've used so far seems to rely on
> complicated interfaces and ridiculous commands to do simple
> things you should be able to do simply by moving a cursor around
> the screen.  All I want to do is start editing some
> configuration files and actually learn how to use this thing
> properly but I've yet to find a simple to use text editor.  Or
> am I just asking way too much here?
>
>
>
>
> Danny Keogh
> <mailto:dwkeogh@optushome.com.au>
>
>
>
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Re: text editors

[Roy Nickelson]

hi,
I like nano. it seems to have the easiest commands.
Roy

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Danny Keogh" <dwkeogh@optushome.com.au>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 12:52 AM
Subject: text editors


Hi people.  Is there actually such a thing as a normal text
editor for linux?  Every one I've used so far seems to rely on
complicated interfaces and ridiculous commands to do simple
things you should be able to do simply by moving a cursor around
the screen.  All I want to do is start editing some
configuration files and actually learn how to use this thing
properly but I've yet to find a simple to use text editor.  Or
am I just asking way too much here?




Danny Keogh
<mailto:dwkeogh@optushome.com.au>




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Re: text editors

[nick G]

Nano seems to be the favorite, Pico second.  Nano works better with speakup.
Thanks,
ick
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Roy Nickelson" <roylee@visuallink.com>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 8:24 AM
Subject: Re: text editors


> hi,
> I like nano. it seems to have the easiest commands.
> Roy
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Danny Keogh" <dwkeogh@optushome.com.au>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 12:52 AM
> Subject: text editors
> 
> 
> Hi people.  Is there actually such a thing as a normal text
> editor for linux?  Every one I've used so far seems to rely on
> complicated interfaces and ridiculous commands to do simple
> things you should be able to do simply by moving a cursor around
> the screen.  All I want to do is start editing some
> configuration files and actually learn how to use this thing
> properly but I've yet to find a simple to use text editor.  Or
> am I just asking way too much here?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Danny Keogh
> <mailto:dwkeogh@optushome.com.au>
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: text editors

[Alex Snow]

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give  nano a try. it's really easy to learn and should do 
everythingyou want it to do. if you need something more complex then 
look at emacs.
On 
Fri, Jun 25, 2004 at 02:52:40PM +1000, Danny Keogh wrote:
> Hi people.  Is there actually such a thing as a normal text
> editor for linux?  Every one I've used so far seems to rely on
> complicated interfaces and ridiculous commands to do simple
> things you should be able to do simply by moving a cursor around
> the screen.  All I want to do is start editing some
> configuration files and actually learn how to use this thing
> properly but I've yet to find a simple to use text editor.  Or
> am I just asking way too much here?
> 
> 
> 
> 		
> Danny Keogh
> <mailto:dwkeogh@optushome.com.au>
> 			
> 
> 
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Re: text editors

[Hart Larry]

I sure wish nano had a search-and-replace
Hart

Re: text editors

[Ryan Mann]

Nano does have a search and replace.  Hit ctrl-\.  Type the 
text to search for and press enter.  Then type what you want 
to replace it with.


On Fri, 25 Jun 2004, Hart Larry wrote:

> I sure wish nano had a search-and-replace
> Hart
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Re: text editors

[Chuck Hallenbeck]

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Larry,

The nano search and replace command is "caret line" and is
described in the man page and also the online help within nano.

Chuck


On Fri, 25 Jun 2004, Hart Larry wrote:

> I sure wish nano had a search-and-replace
> Hart
>
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Re: text editors

[Thomas Stivers]

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On Jun 25 2004  7:20 AM, Hart Larry wrote:
> I sure wish nano had a search-and-replace

Then your wish is granted. After you do ^w to search for a word do ^r to
be prompted for what to replace and then what to replace it with. This
still can't hold a candle to the :substitute command in vi, but I
digress.

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Re: text editors

[Jacob Schmude]

Hi
         It does. Press ctrl+w to search, then press ctrl+r. You'll be 
prompted for the string and its replacement. Note that nano has this, pico 
usually doesn't.
HTH
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>Hart
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Re: text editors

[Erik Heil]

You might like Nano.  Its a nice little editor and its easy to use.

Re: slackware 10.0 is out

[Gregory Nowak]

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If the isos weren't available, they wouldn't have posted the
announcement yet. Don't give out wrong information.

Greg


On Thu, Jun 24, 2004 at 11:09:27AM -0400, nick G wrote:
> I don't know, I don't think the Iso's are out.
> Thanks,
> Nick

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Re: slackware 10.0 is out

[nick G]

This also means that Zipspeak 10.0 is in the works.  Zipspeak won't ever be
part of Stock Slackware but we will continue to make it work for us.  Since
2.4.26 is the the kernel that has speakup, I feel that it'd be OK to use
Steve Holmes Kernel as part of the stock Zipspeak.
Thanks,
Nick
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From: "Gregory Nowak" <greg@romuald.net.eu.org>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 9:19 AM
Subject: slackware 10.0 is out


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>
> I thought I'd post for the benefit of those who are interested that
> slackware 10.0 is out. I'm surprised that they're offering the 2.4.26
> kernel, but 2.6.7 is in testing. But then again, they did the same
> thing with 2.2 when 2.4 came out.
>
> Greg
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Re: slackware 10.0 is out

[Steve Holmes]

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My kernel??? Where did that come from?:) Yes, I compiled 2.4.26 and
2.6.6 kernels for my own use optimized for my computers but never
published them.  Wonder if you mean somebody else?:)

On Thu, Jun 24, 2004 at 10:48:28AM -0400, nick G wrote:
> This also means that Zipspeak 10.0 is in the works.  Zipspeak won't ever be
> part of Stock Slackware but we will continue to make it work for us.  Since
> 2.4.26 is the the kernel that has speakup, I feel that it'd be OK to use
> Steve Holmes Kernel as part of the stock Zipspeak.
> Thanks,
> Nick
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Gregory Nowak" <greg@romuald.net.eu.org>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 9:19 AM
> Subject: slackware 10.0 is out
> 
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> > Hi all.
> >
> > I thought I'd post for the benefit of those who are interested that
> > slackware 10.0 is out. I'm surprised that they're offering the 2.4.26
> > kernel, but 2.6.7 is in testing. But then again, they did the same
> > thing with 2.2 when 2.4 came out.
> >
> > Greg
> >
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