acpi and the str/s3 state

acpi and the str/s3 state

[Gregory Nowak]

Hi all,

There is a small problem that I can't figure out. I've got a machine with win98se. The biosis setup for acpi, and the suspend state is set to s3 in the bios. The power supply is 300W. I also have the latest bios installed for my board.

When I let windows put the machine on standby, everything turns off like it's supposed to. The power supply fan turns off as well, so I know that it's infact going into s3/str state. However, pressing anything on the keyboard, or clicking/moving the mouse doesn't wake the machine up. When I hit the power button on the box, my system speaker sounds a high-pitched beep (not the standard everything is ok post beep), and just sits there. Of course the power supply fan spinns up, and I can hear my hd and other fans spinning up as well, but that's it. No response from the keyboard, no video, and no sound from the on-board ac97 sound.

When I hit the reset or power key, the machine powers down. When I next hit the power key to turn it back on, it starts up, gives me the normal everything is ok post beep, and windows starts up like it does when one first turns on the machine.

I just baught the motherboard, so I'm assuming it has the latest bios. According to the manufacterrur, the latest bios shouldn't have any acpi issues. The board is an Abit VH6T.

One thing I found surprising is that in most new bioses, you have the option to power on by hotkey, or by windows 98 keyboard. However, this bios has none of thoes choices. 

Before anyone admonishes me, yes, I did do a search on google. However, the pages that I found either weren't there anymore, or they explained what acpi is, and how the s3 state works. I know what acpi is and how the s3 state works. My impression has been and still is that hitting any button on the keyboard should bring the machine out of the s3 state, and I should be exactly where I left off in windows. Is this infact correct? Do any of the experts out there have suggestions? Thanks in advance for any help.
Greg

Re: acpi and the str/s3 state

[William F. Acker WB2FLW +1-303-777-8123]

And your Speakup/Linux related question is??

Re: acpi and the str/s3 state

[Scott Howell]

I ain't no expert, but I hear tell that if you leave windows in that
kinda state, things can get hosed. Windows apparently does not handle
power management matters as well as they'd like you to believe. Of
course to inject my two cents worth, why would you want to put the
machine in this state. Maybe a laptop, but a desktop box suffers no ill
affects from being left on 24 hours a day, but for fans having a little
shorter life. I think for all this just turn the machine off all
together.

Scott

Re: acpi and the str/s3 state

[Alex Snow]

My box will do suspend, hibernate, shutdown, ... all that acpi stuff.
Windows 98 will not handle acpi as well as windows ME.  That's probably the
only + in ME.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Howell" <showell@lrxms.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2002 6:31 PM
Subject: Re: acpi and the str/s3 state


> I ain't no expert, but I hear tell that if you leave windows in that
> kinda state, things can get hosed. Windows apparently does not handle
> power management matters as well as they'd like you to believe. Of
> course to inject my two cents worth, why would you want to put the
> machine in this state. Maybe a laptop, but a desktop box suffers no ill
> affects from being left on 24 hours a day, but for fans having a little
> shorter life. I think for all this just turn the machine off all
> together.
>
> Scott
>
>
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Re: acpi and the str/s3 state

[Gregory Nowak]

Well, this wouldn't be the first thing that windows can't do properly. In fact, that thought did pass through my mind, but I wanted to see what some on this list might say. 

The machine isn't a laptop, but I thought acpi was a pretty cool feature. Maybe I'll just disable standby, and let it run. 
Greg


On Sun, Jun 23, 2002 at 06:31:43PM -0400, Scott Howell wrote:
> I ain't no expert, but I hear tell that if you leave windows in that
> kinda state, things can get hosed. Windows apparently does not handle
> power management matters as well as they'd like you to believe. Of
> course to inject my two cents worth, why would you want to put the
> machine in this state. Maybe a laptop, but a desktop box suffers no ill
> affects from being left on 24 hours a day, but for fans having a little
> shorter life. I think for all this just turn the machine off all
> together.
> 
> Scott
> 
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Re: acpi and the str/s3 state

[Alex Snow]

The box I'm on now Has acpi support on the mainboard.  It dual boots winme
and linux, and winblows supports acpi fully.  It does everything acpi
related that I need it to.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gregory Nowak" <greg@romuald.net.eu.org>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2002 7:06 PM
Subject: Re: acpi and the str/s3 state


> Well, this wouldn't be the first thing that windows can't do properly. In
fact, that thought did pass through my mind, but I wanted to see what some
on this list might say.
>
> The machine isn't a laptop, but I thought acpi was a pretty cool feature.
Maybe I'll just disable standby, and let it run.
> Greg
>
>
> On Sun, Jun 23, 2002 at 06:31:43PM -0400, Scott Howell wrote:
> > I ain't no expert, but I hear tell that if you leave windows in that
> > kinda state, things can get hosed. Windows apparently does not handle
> > power management matters as well as they'd like you to believe. Of
> > course to inject my two cents worth, why would you want to put the
> > machine in this state. Maybe a laptop, but a desktop box suffers no ill
> > affects from being left on 24 hours a day, but for fans having a little
> > shorter life. I think for all this just turn the machine off all
> > together.
> >
> > Scott
> >
> >
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Re: acpi and the str/s3 state

[Gregory Nowak]

Which version of windows? Is your bios set to take the pc into the s3 instead of the usual s1 state? If so, how do you usually wake it back up. When it wakes up, are you exactly where you left off? Thanks.
Greg


On Sun, Jun 23, 2002 at 07:20:38PM -0400, Alex Snow wrote:
> The box I'm on now Has acpi support on the mainboard.  It dual boots winme
> and linux, and winblows supports acpi fully.  It does everything acpi
> related that I need it to.
> -------------------------------
> Alex Snow
> Email: alex_snow@gmx.net
> BBS: telnet://bbs1.dyndns.org
> web: http://web.alex-snow.dhs.org
> The Computer Repair Guy:
> If It Ain't Broke, I'll mess With It Till It Is!

Re: acpi and the str/s3 state

[Alex Snow]

I'm using windows Me, and the bios is set to s3.
I wake the machine up by moving the mouse, pressing a key, or pressing the
power button.  When it wakes up, I am right where I left off.
-------------------------------
Alex Snow
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web: http://web.alex-snow.dhs.org
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If It Ain't Broke, I'll mess With It Till It Is!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gregory Nowak" <greg@romuald.net.eu.org>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2002 7:35 PM
Subject: Re: acpi and the str/s3 state


> Which version of windows? Is your bios set to take the pc into the s3
instead of the usual s1 state? If so, how do you usually wake it back up.
When it wakes up, are you exactly where you left off? Thanks.
> Greg
>
>
> On Sun, Jun 23, 2002 at 07:20:38PM -0400, Alex Snow wrote:
> > The box I'm on now Has acpi support on the mainboard.  It dual boots
winme
> > and linux, and winblows supports acpi fully.  It does everything acpi
> > related that I need it to.
> > -------------------------------
> > Alex Snow
> > Email: alex_snow@gmx.net
> > BBS: telnet://bbs1.dyndns.org
> > web: http://web.alex-snow.dhs.org
> > The Computer Repair Guy:
> > If It Ain't Broke, I'll mess With It Till It Is!
>
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Re: acpi and the str/s3 state

[Kerry Hoath]

It is not uncommon for t hese features not to work
as advertized. If the supply does not provide the required standby current
or the machine does not like the keyboard, or you don't set the wake up
events properly in the bios
or the black cat didn't walk under the neighbour's ladder;
your machine might not wake up.
I have seen power management both apm and acpi work sometimes but it seems to be an
area of pc design that still exhibits flakiness.
Aparently me and xp support power management better; but I've never had
a great deal of luck with it under linux but I've never tried hard either.
I have found that if you have some apm in the kernel and rtl8139 network cards; the card
goes to sleep on you and crashes the box.
For that reason apm gets turned off on any of my servers.
If people request apm or ACPI I enable it but say that their milage
may vary.

Check your wake-up options; other than that I have no idea.
Monitors use the most power so I usually set them to turn off after inactivity; the boxes stay
running. Keeps the temperature of the box more constant anyway.

Regards, Kerry.
On Sun, Jun 23, 2002 at 06:06:25PM -0500, Gregory Nowak wrote:
> Well, this wouldn't be the first thing that windows can't do properly. In fact, that thought did pass through my mind, but I wanted to see what some on this list might say. 
> 
> The machine isn't a laptop, but I thought acpi was a pretty cool feature. Maybe I'll just disable standby, and let it run. 
> Greg
> 
> 
> On Sun, Jun 23, 2002 at 06:31:43PM -0400, Scott Howell wrote:
> > I ain't no expert, but I hear tell that if you leave windows in that
> > kinda state, things can get hosed. Windows apparently does not handle
> > power management matters as well as they'd like you to believe. Of
> > course to inject my two cents worth, why would you want to put the
> > machine in this state. Maybe a laptop, but a desktop box suffers no ill
> > affects from being left on 24 hours a day, but for fans having a little
> > shorter life. I think for all this just turn the machine off all
> > together.
> > 
> > Scott
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
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> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
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Sequal server databases

[Charles Crawford]

Hello Everyone,

	I am thinking of adopting the Linux database management programs for use 
at ACB's national office.  I will need to learn the language for 
programming one and then test it, but hear that the choices are good.  Can 
anyone recommend what they see as the most user friendly, programmable and 
text based sequal server database management program?  If so, can you tell 
me why and of course you can write off list if yoiu would like.

-- charlie Crawford.

Re: Sequal server databases

[Steve Holmes]

Two SQL servers come to mind for linux.  MySQL is popular and commonly
available; I have no personal experience with that one.  Postgres is
another one which is available at ftp.postgres.org and I have some
experience with that one.  I understand that postgres is more robust
and supposedly ANSII SQL complient but I can't prove or disprove that
one.  I kinda cut my teeth on postgres so am sticking with that one
for the time being.

It seems to work well with speakup.  The database manager client, psql
is a basic command line thing and the output can scroll off the screen
so can be okward at times but the output can be piped into less for
easier viewing.  There's a bit of a learning for SQL databases in
general but it is the industry standard and well worth your time to
learn SQL as a language and then some simple programming to use that
SQL in user friendly programs.  I should point out that these standard
SQL engines do not provide an interface like MS access to navigate up
and down through your data like in a spreadsheet though a client
program could be written to do just that, I'm sure.  Don't know if
MySQL offers such a tool or not.

SQL on non Microsoft platforms is fully complient; MacroSlop in their
usual manner deviate from standards when implementing SQL for Access
and for MS SQL Server 7.0

Go for the linux solution! well worth the effort.

On Mon, Jun 24, 2002 at 06:42:58AM -0400, Charles Crawford wrote:
> Hello Everyone,
> 
> 	I am thinking of adopting the Linux database management programs for use 
> at ACB's national office.  I will need to learn the language for 
> programming one and then test it, but hear that the choices are good.  Can 
> anyone recommend what they see as the most user friendly, programmable and 
> text based sequal server database management program?  If so, can you tell 
> me why and of course you can write off list if yoiu would like.
> 
> -- charlie Crawford.
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
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Re: Sequal server databases

[jwantz]

Hi,
I have had limited experience with MySQL.  It works very well with 
Speakup and has a very good interface with php.  I like in theory their 
c interface, but I haven't actually programmed with it,  if that has any 


     Jim Wantz WB0TFK
relevance for you, it does not use embedded 
sql like Informix and Oracle.Their tutorial is quite comprehensive and 
easy to understand.  They are very close to being 100% SQL standard 
compliant but I'm not sure if they are there yet.
On Mon, 24 Jun 2002, 
Steve Holmes wrote:

> Two SQL servers come to mind for linux.  MySQL is popular and commonly
> available; I have no personal experience with that one.  Postgres is
> another one which is available at ftp.postgres.org and I have some
> experience with that one.  I understand that postgres is more robust
> and supposedly ANSII SQL complient but I can't prove or disprove that
> one.  I kinda cut my teeth on postgres so am sticking with that one
> for the time being.
> 
> It seems to work well with speakup.  The database manager client, psql
> is a basic command line thing and the output can scroll off the screen
> so can be okward at times but the output can be piped into less for
> easier viewing.  There's a bit of a learning for SQL databases in
> general but it is the industry standard and well worth your time to
> learn SQL as a language and then some simple programming to use that
> SQL in user friendly programs.  I should point out that these standard
> SQL engines do not provide an interface like MS access to navigate up
> and down through your data like in a spreadsheet though a client
> program could be written to do just that, I'm sure.  Don't know if
> MySQL offers such a tool or not.
> 
> SQL on non Microsoft platforms is fully complient; MacroSlop in their
> usual manner deviate from standards when implementing SQL for Access
> and for MS SQL Server 7.0
> 
> Go for the linux solution! well worth the effort.
> 
> On Mon, Jun 24, 2002 at 06:42:58AM -0400, Charles Crawford wrote:
> > Hello Everyone,
> > 
> > 	I am thinking of adopting the Linux database management programs for use 
> > at ACB's national office.  I will need to learn the language for 
> > programming one and then test it, but hear that the choices are good.  Can 
> > anyone recommend what they see as the most user friendly, programmable and 
> > text based sequal server database management program?  If so, can you tell 
> > me why and of course you can write off list if yoiu would like.
> > 
> > -- charlie Crawford.
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 
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Re: Sequal server databases

[Janina Sajka]

Charlie:

Both mysql and postgresql are available on your Linux computers, 
as is php and apache

It's all in there.
.


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Re: Sequal server databases

[Patrick Turnage]

I am having trouble adding cgi scripting support to my apache installation
on debian woody..
cgi is working because when I at the prompt
type
/usr/lib/cgi-bin/time.cgi
it displays the html code..
and when I type this in my browser

http://www.site.com/cgi-bin/time.cgi 
it displays the time correctly.
I am having trouble adding that script to my html document..
What is the proper symtax for adding an cgi script to my html document..

Thanks



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RE: Sequal server databases

[John Lee]

Do you have 4.02 CD?

-----Original Message-----
From: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca [mailto:speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca]
On Behalf Of Patrick Turnage
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 3:40 PM
To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
Subject: Re: Sequal server databases


I am having trouble adding cgi scripting support to my apache
installation on debian woody.. cgi is working because when I at the
prompt type /usr/lib/cgi-bin/time.cgi it displays the html code.. and
when I type this in my browser

http://www.site.com/cgi-bin/time.cgi 
it displays the time correctly.
I am having trouble adding that script to my html document.. What is the
proper symtax for adding an cgi script to my html document..

Thanks



        -------------------------
Patrick Turnage
e-mail:pturnage@tampabay.rr.com
Telephone: (850) 459-7717
HomePage: http://www.access-connect.com
Amateur radio callsign:kg4dqk
AOL Instant Messenger:kg4dqk
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Re: Sequal server databases

[Octavian Rasnita]

You need to have server side includes activated.
After that, you need to put server side include statements in your HTML
document.

To include your CGI script, put something like:

<!--#include virtual="/cgi-bin/time.cgi" -->

You can activate SSI for all html documents or as usually, only for .shtml
files.

For displaying the current time, there is an SSI statement that doesn't need
using a cgi script at all.

Cheers.

Teddy Center for the blind: http://teddy.fcc.ro/
Mail: orasnita@home.ro

----- Original Message -----
From: "Patrick Turnage" <patrickt@tampabay.rr.com>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 10:39 PM
Subject: Re: Sequal server databases


> I am having trouble adding cgi scripting support to my apache installation
> on debian woody..
> cgi is working because when I at the prompt
> type
> /usr/lib/cgi-bin/time.cgi
> it displays the html code..
> and when I type this in my browser
>
> http://www.site.com/cgi-bin/time.cgi
> it displays the time correctly.
> I am having trouble adding that script to my html document..
> What is the proper symtax for adding an cgi script to my html document..
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
>         -------------------------
> Patrick Turnage
> e-mail:pturnage@tampabay.rr.com
> Telephone: (850) 459-7717
> HomePage: http://www.access-connect.com
> Amateur radio callsign:kg4dqk
> AOL Instant Messenger:kg4dqk
> icq:26862191
> MSN:turnagep@hotmail.com
> Yahoo!:kg4dqk
> America Online:kg4dqk1129 kg4dqk1129@aol.com
>
>
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>

Re: acpi and the str/s3 state

[Gregory Nowak]

Thanks Kerry. I do have an rtl8139-based card in this box, didn't know they cause apm problems. As I mentioned, the power supply is 300W. The board manual mentions that the power supply needs to provide at least 720 mA power, but since my grades weren't that grate in my basic electronics classes, I don't know how to calculate that (grin). Thanks again for your response.
Greg


On Mon, Jun 24, 2002 at 05:30:06PM +0800, Kerry Hoath wrote:
> It is not uncommon for t hese features not to work
> as advertized. If the supply does not provide the required standby current
> or the machine does not like the keyboard, or you don't set the wake up
> events properly in the bios
> or the black cat didn't walk under the neighbour's ladder;
> your machine might not wake up.
> I have seen power management both apm and acpi work sometimes but it seems to be an
> area of pc design that still exhibits flakiness.
> Aparently me and xp support power management better; but I've never had
> a great deal of luck with it under linux but I've never tried hard either.
> I have found that if you have some apm in the kernel and rtl8139 network cards; the card
> goes to sleep on you and crashes the box.
> For that reason apm gets turned off on any of my servers.
> If people request apm or ACPI I enable it but say that their milage
> may vary.
> 
> Check your wake-up options; other than that I have no idea.
> Monitors use the most power so I usually set them to turn off after inactivity; the boxes stay
> running. Keeps the temperature of the box more constant anyway.
> 
> Regards, Kerry.

Re: acpi and the str/s3 state

[Charles Crawford]

Try the Microsoft Windows update page that you can get to under tools in 
internet explorer.  If that does not work, then send a message to 
support@microsoft.com and see if they will help.  I kind of have that 
problem on my Think Pad laptop, but just live with it I guess.

-- charlie Crawford.

ps:  Is it Windows XP?

Re: acpi and the str/s3 state

[Gregory Nowak]

I'm not going to bother e-mailing macroslop, since I don't think they'd be very helpfull. Besides, this seems to me like more of a hardware issue rather then a windows issue (that's why I posted here in the first place). I stated clearly in my message that the os was windows 98se. Thanks.
Greg


On Sun, Jun 23, 2002 at 06:59:29PM -0400, Charles Crawford wrote:
> Try the Microsoft Windows update page that you can get to under tools in 
> internet explorer.  If that does not work, then send a message to 
> support@microsoft.com and see if they will help.  I kind of have that 
> problem on my Think Pad laptop, but just live with it I guess.
> 
> -- charlie Crawford.
> 
> ps:  Is it Windows XP?
> 
> 
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Re: acpi and the str/s3 state

[Toby Fisher]

On Sun, 23 Jun 2002, Gregory Nowak wrote:

> I'm not going to bother e-mailing macroslop, since I don't think
> they'd be very helpfull. Besides, this seems to me like more of a
> hardware issue rather then a windows issue (that's why I posted here
> in the first place). I stated clearly in my message that the os was
> windows 98se. Thanks.

Have you considered the possibility that Win98Se doesn't support your
hardware properly?
Can you get it to work under Linux using apmd?

Cheers.

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Re: acpi and the str/s3 state

[Gregory Nowak]

I've installed all the win98se drivers that were on my motherboard cd-rom. 

I could try it out under gnu/linux, but there are a couple difficulties.
1. Just as I have a machine exclusively dedicated to running slackware, the box I'm writing about is exclusively dedicated to running windows because there are things I do need it for. This means that 100% of my hd is taken up by a fat32 partition. So, in order to try it out, I would need to split my hd, do a minimal install of slackware, compile a custom kernel for this board with acpi support, try it out, wipe slackware, and resize my hd again. 
2. I don't think linux acpi is advanced enough for me to get comparible results, and this feature will not work under apm (it requires an acpi enabled os).
Greg


On Sun, Jun 23, 2002 at 11:22:30PM +0100, Toby Fisher wrote:
> On Sun, 23 Jun 2002, Gregory Nowak wrote:
> 
> > I'm not going to bother e-mailing macroslop, since I don't think
> > they'd be very helpfull. Besides, this seems to me like more of a
> > hardware issue rather then a windows issue (that's why I posted here
> > in the first place). I stated clearly in my message that the os was
> > windows 98se. Thanks.
> 
> Have you considered the possibility that Win98Se doesn't support your
> hardware properly?
> Can you get it to work under Linux using apmd?
> 
> Cheers.
> 
> -- 
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Re: acpi and the str/s3 state

[Alex Snow]

I wouldn't bother emailing microshit, but I'd give the winblows update page
a try.  I hear that there is a patch to fix problems like this.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Charles Crawford" <CCrawford@ACB.org>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2002 6:59 PM
Subject: Re: acpi and the str/s3 state


> Try the Microsoft Windows update page that you can get to under tools in
> internet explorer.  If that does not work, then send a message to
> support@microsoft.com and see if they will help.  I kind of have that
> problem on my Think Pad laptop, but just live with it I guess.
>
> -- charlie Crawford.
>
> ps:  Is it Windows XP?
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ot, windows update page, was: Re: acpi and the str/s3 state

[Gregory Nowak]

I've used the update page, but can't access it recently. When I do start menu, and w for "windows update", I go to the home page. So far that's what I expect. Then, as I've done in the past, I activate the "products update" link. In the past, that would give me the catalog with the updates. Now, it gives me a page which informs me that the windows 98 service pack cd is now availabel. It also tries to get me to download macroslop internet destroier 6, and windblows media trasher 7. Yes, there is another "products update" link there, but when I activate it, I go back to that very same page. If someone out there knows how to get to the catalog of updates, please let me know. Some of thoes patches are actually worth getting, and I usually don't say that about Gates' trash.
Greg


On Sun, Jun 23, 2002 at 06:54:00PM -0400, Alex Snow wrote:
> I wouldn't bother emailing microshit, but I'd give the winblows update page
> a try.  I hear that there is a patch to fix problems like this.
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Re: ot, windows update page, was: Re: acpi and the str/s3 state

[Alex Snow]

Do you get a little popup that says that is customising the product updates,
and claiming that it isn't sending any info to macroslop?
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gregory Nowak" <greg@romuald.net.eu.org>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2002 7:15 PM
Subject: ot, windows update page, was: Re: acpi and the str/s3 state


> I've used the update page, but can't access it recently. When I do start
menu, and w for "windows update", I go to the home page. So far that's what
I expect. Then, as I've done in the past, I activate the "products update"
link. In the past, that would give me the catalog with the updates. Now, it
gives me a page which informs me that the windows 98 service pack cd is now
availabel. It also tries to get me to download macroslop internet destroier
6, and windblows media trasher 7. Yes, there is another "products update"
link there, but when I activate it, I go back to that very same page. If
someone out there knows how to get to the catalog of updates, please let me
know. Some of thoes patches are actually worth getting, and I usually don't
say that about Gates' trash.
> Greg
>
>
> On Sun, Jun 23, 2002 at 06:54:00PM -0400, Alex Snow wrote:
> > I wouldn't bother emailing microshit, but I'd give the winblows update
page
> > a try.  I hear that there is a patch to fix problems like this.
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Re: ot, windows update page, was: Re: acpi and the str/s3 state

[Gregory Nowak]

No, that's what I got before, but not now.
Greg


On Sun, Jun 23, 2002 at 07:36:51PM -0400, Alex Snow wrote:
> Do you get a little popup that says that is customising the product updates,
> and claiming that it isn't sending any info to macroslop?
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Re: acpi and the str/s3 state

[Kenny Hitt]

You should ask this question on a Windows list instead of a Linux list.

          Kenny


On Sun, Jun 23, 2002 at 12:45:05PM -0500, Gregory Nowak wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> There is a small problem that I can't figure out. I've got a machine with win98se. The biosis setup for acpi, and the suspend state is set to s3 in the bios. The power supply is 300W. I also have the latest bios installed for my board.
> 
> When I let windows put the machine on standby, everything turns off like it's supposed to. The power supply fan turns off as well, so I know that it's infact going into s3/str state. However, pressing anything on the keyboard, or clicking/moving the mouse doesn't wake the machine up. When I hit the power button on the box, my system speaker sounds a high-pitched beep (not the standard everything is ok post beep), and just sits there. Of course the power supply fan spinns up, and I can hear my hd and other fans spinning up as well, but that's it. No response from the keyboard, no video, and no sound from the on-board ac97 sound.
> 
> When I hit the reset or power key, the machine powers down. When I next hit the power key to turn it back on, it starts up, gives me the normal everything is ok post beep, and windows starts up like it does when one first turns on the machine.
> 
> I just baught the motherboard, so I'm assuming it has the latest bios. According to the manufacterrur, the latest bios shouldn't have any acpi issues. The board is an Abit VH6T.
> 
> One thing I found surprising is that in most new bioses, you have the option to power on by hotkey, or by windows 98 keyboard. However, this bios has none of thoes choices. 
> 
> Before anyone admonishes me, yes, I did do a search on google. However, the pages that I found either weren't there anymore, or they explained what acpi is, and how the s3 state works. I know what acpi is and how the s3 state works. My impression has been and still is that hitting any button on the keyboard should bring the machine out of the s3 state, and I should be exactly where I left off in windows. Is this infact correct? Do any of the experts out there have suggestions? Thanks in advance for any help.
> Greg
> 
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