nic at real cheap price

nic at real cheap price

[Raul A. Gallegos]

Hey guys and gals.  I know it's not an ad list but my eyes bulged out
when I saw this one.

http://www.pcmaxsystems.com/networkcards.html

Realtech network cards for only $1 and they are new.  They also
definitely work with Linux no problems in any kernel.

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go wrong, and circumvent these, then a fifth way will promptly develop.
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Re: nic at real cheap price

[Alex Snow]

Wow! I've never seen em that cheap. Do you know how much shipping is?
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From: "Raul A. Gallegos" <raul@asmodean.net>
To: "Speakup Mailing-list" <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Friday, May 17, 2002 2:11 PM
Subject: nic at real cheap price


> Hey guys and gals.  I know it's not an ad list but my eyes bulged out
> when I saw this one.
>
> http://www.pcmaxsystems.com/networkcards.html
>
> Realtech network cards for only $1 and they are new.  They also
> definitely work with Linux no problems in any kernel.
>
> --
> If you perceive that there are four possible ways in which a procedure can
> go wrong, and circumvent these, then a fifth way will promptly develop.
> Raul A. Gallegos - http://www.asmodean.net
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Re: nic at real cheap price

[Raul A. Gallegos]

Have not looked at the particular shipping of that site but I think
it was around $3 or $4.

I've seen these nics at local computer stores for around 9 or 10
dollars so after shipping even if shipping is $5 it's still cheaper
overall.

Alex Snow said the following on Fri, May 17, 2002 at 02:48:35PM
-0400:
> Wow! I've never seen em that cheap. Do you know how much shipping is?

-- 
If you perceive that there are four possible ways in which a procedure can
go wrong, and circumvent these, then a fifth way will promptly develop.
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Re: nic at real cheap price

[Toby Fisher]

On Fri, 17 May 2002, Raul A. Gallegos wrote:

> Hey guys and gals.  I know it's not an ad list but my eyes bulged out
> when I saw this one.
>
> http://www.pcmaxsystems.com/networkcards.html
>
> Realtech network cards for only $1 and they are new.  They also
> definitely work with Linux no problems in any kernel.

Actually, I'm not sure they'd work in 0.0.3.  *smile*

Cheers.

-- 
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Tel.: +44(0)1480 417272	Mobile: +44(0)7974 363239
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Re: nic at real cheap price

[Buddy Brannan]

Heck, I think I'll buy four of em or so myself. ... Wow...That's
really cheap! Seems they have switches, hubs, and routers for fairly
cheap as well. (Course, turning an existing machine into a router is
cheaper yet...but...) 
-- 
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Email: davros@ycardz.com | I choose you because you're funny and kind
                         | I want easy people from now on.
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Re: nic at real cheap price

[Ed Barnes]

Hi there, another deal that isn't bad though it isn't as good as that 
deal on realtech's is at www.ncix.com if you are a member d-link 
dfe-530tx 10/100 pci nics are $13.50 and that's cdn.
Shipping is quite reasonable too.
Sales tax is only 7% for people who order from that site as well because 
the site does business from British Colombia where there's no provincial 
sales tax.
Hope this is helpful to some on list.
Have a good week-end all!

Ed Barnes
E-mail edbarnes@anomaly.2y.net or ebarnes1@warp.nfld.net
Ph (home) 709-596-3165 or (cell) 709-683-6085
http://anomaly.2y.net
"Money will buy you a pretty good dog, but it won't buy the wag of his 
tail." --- unknown

On Fri, 17 May 2002, Raul A. Gallegos 
wrote:

> Have not looked at the particular shipping of that site but I think
> it was around $3 or $4.
> 
> I've seen these nics at local computer stores for around 9 or 10
> dollars so after shipping even if shipping is $5 it's still cheaper
> overall.
> 
> Alex Snow said the following on Fri, May 17, 2002 at 02:48:35PM
> -0400:
> > Wow! I've never seen em that cheap. Do you know how much shipping is?
> 
> 

Re: nic at real cheap price

[Charles Hallenbeck]

Raul,
You swapped two of those cards for a broken computer of mine once
claiming them to be supported by Linux, but I was unable to
compile the driver and you were unable to tell me how to do it.
Are we talking about the same cards here? If so, there might be a
problem for some users.

Chuck

On Fri, 17 May 2002, Raul A. Gallegos wrote:

> Hey guys and gals.  I know it's not an ad list but my eyes bulged out
> when I saw this one.
>
> http://www.pcmaxsystems.com/networkcards.html
>
> Realtech network cards for only $1 and they are new.  They also
> definitely work with Linux no problems in any kernel.
>
>

-- 
Visit me at http://www.valstar.net/~hallenbeck
The Moon is Waxing Crescent (35% of Full)

Re: nic at real cheap price

[Alex Snow]

Well I hope no one is still using that kernel.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Toby Fisher" <toby_fisher@bigfoot.com>
To: "Speakup Mailing-list" <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Friday, May 17, 2002 4:46 PM
Subject: Re: nic at real cheap price


> On Fri, 17 May 2002, Raul A. Gallegos wrote:
> 
> > Hey guys and gals.  I know it's not an ad list but my eyes bulged out
> > when I saw this one.
> >
> > http://www.pcmaxsystems.com/networkcards.html
> >
> > Realtech network cards for only $1 and they are new.  They also
> > definitely work with Linux no problems in any kernel.
> 
> Actually, I'm not sure they'd work in 0.0.3.  *smile*
> 
> Cheers.
> 
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> Tel.: +44(0)1480 417272 Mobile: +44(0)7974 363239
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Re: nic at real cheap price

[Raul A. Gallegos]

Chuck now that is just not fair for you to say.  First off when I purchased
the nics I sent you they came with a linux kernel driver which I was able to
get working, second I would not purchase 3 nics so I can use one and offer
you 2 if they didnt' work with LInux.  I"m still successfully using that nic
on a LInux system.  Thirdly I most certainly replied to you regarding the
nics when you emailed me and you never replied back.  I can go to my
sent-foler and resend you those emssages if you like.

Best regards.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Charles Hallenbeck" <hallenbeck@valstar.net>
To: "Speakup Mailing-list" <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2002 5:43 AM
Subject: Re: nic at real cheap price


> Raul,
> You swapped two of those cards for a broken computer of mine once
> claiming them to be supported by Linux, but I was unable to
> compile the driver and you were unable to tell me how to do it.
> Are we talking about the same cards here? If so, there might be a
> problem for some users.
>
> Chuck
>
> On Fri, 17 May 2002, Raul A. Gallegos wrote:
>
> > Hey guys and gals.  I know it's not an ad list but my eyes bulged out
> > when I saw this one.
> >
> > http://www.pcmaxsystems.com/networkcards.html
> >
> > Realtech network cards for only $1 and they are new.  They also
> > definitely work with Linux no problems in any kernel.
> >
> >
>
> --
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> The Moon is Waxing Crescent (35% of Full)
>
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Re: nic at real cheap price

[Ed Barnes]

Hi folks, I have to join on this thread in defense of Rol.
Those Realtech's work with kernel 2.4 and they worked with 2.2 as well 
according to documentation.
I say that they worked according to docs with 2.2 because my first work 
with Linux was recently so it was 2.4. 
However in researching before I purchased them I learned this so it's 
decently documented.
Further I know the kernel module for 2.4 is 8139too and if memory serves 
correctly the name of the kernel module driver for 2.2 is rtl8139.
I have two cousins of the realtech 8139 he4re and I put one ina buddies 
system and all are working well, I put an aln325 aopen which uses the 
realtech 8139 system in my friend Dwayne's Windows system, my own Windows 
system has a cousin of the Realtech 8139, an smc1244 10/100 which also of 
course uses the realtech 8139 chipset.
And, eth1 in my Linux box is a D-link dfe-538 which uses once again the 
Realtech 8139 chipset.
Now, in closing I know none of the three cards I've discussed are 
comparable to something like the members of the 3com family like the 3c905 
series, but they're reliable and are a good value whether you buy them for 
$1 on the www site or pay market price for them which is between $15 and 
$20 cdn with taxes around my neck of the woods.
Just my thoughts and hope I've not offended anyone byyy taking sides on 
this issue.
Regards to all on list!

Ed Barnes
E-mail edbarnes@anomaly.2y.net or ebarnes1@warp.nfld.net
Ph (home) 709-596-3165 or (cell) 709-683-6085
http://anomaly.2y.net
"Money will buy you a pretty good dog, but it won't buy the wag of his 
tail." --- unknown

 On Sun, 19 May 2002, Raul 
A. Gallegos wrote:

> Chuck now that is just not fair for you to say.  First off when I purchased
> the nics I sent you they came with a linux kernel driver which I was able to
> get working, second I would not purchase 3 nics so I can use one and offer
> you 2 if they didnt' work with LInux.  I"m still successfully using that nic
> on a LInux system.  Thirdly I most certainly replied to you regarding the
> nics when you emailed me and you never replied back.  I can go to my
> sent-foler and resend you those emssages if you like.
> 
> Best regards.
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Charles Hallenbeck" <hallenbeck@valstar.net>
> To: "Speakup Mailing-list" <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2002 5:43 AM
> Subject: Re: nic at real cheap price
> 
> 
> > Raul,
> > You swapped two of those cards for a broken computer of mine once
> > claiming them to be supported by Linux, but I was unable to
> > compile the driver and you were unable to tell me how to do it.
> > Are we talking about the same cards here? If so, there might be a
> > problem for some users.
> >
> > Chuck
> >
> > On Fri, 17 May 2002, Raul A. Gallegos wrote:
> >
> > > Hey guys and gals.  I know it's not an ad list but my eyes bulged out
> > > when I saw this one.
> > >
> > > http://www.pcmaxsystems.com/networkcards.html
> > >
> > > Realtech network cards for only $1 and they are new.  They also
> > > definitely work with Linux no problems in any kernel.
> > >
> > >
> >
> > --
> > Visit me at http://www.valstar.net/~hallenbeck
> > The Moon is Waxing Crescent (35% of Full)
> >
> >
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Re: nic at real cheap price

[Alex Snow]

I will be ordering a few of those cards, and if they don't work in my linux
box like I think they will, I'll put them in my winblows machine.  I have
used a d-link dfe538 card, with no problems till it got hit by lightning
last summer.  I have also used some 3com cards like the 3c9 series, and a
few etherlink 3s.  I have not seen much of a difference.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ed Barnes" <edbarnes@anomaly.2y.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2002 3:12 AM
Subject: Re: nic at real cheap price


> Hi folks, I have to join on this thread in defense of Rol.
> Those Realtech's work with kernel 2.4 and they worked with 2.2 as well
> according to documentation.
> I say that they worked according to docs with 2.2 because my first work
> with Linux was recently so it was 2.4.
> However in researching before I purchased them I learned this so it's
> decently documented.
> Further I know the kernel module for 2.4 is 8139too and if memory serves
> correctly the name of the kernel module driver for 2.2 is rtl8139.
> I have two cousins of the realtech 8139 he4re and I put one ina buddies
> system and all are working well, I put an aln325 aopen which uses the
> realtech 8139 system in my friend Dwayne's Windows system, my own Windows
> system has a cousin of the Realtech 8139, an smc1244 10/100 which also of
> course uses the realtech 8139 chipset.
> And, eth1 in my Linux box is a D-link dfe-538 which uses once again the
> Realtech 8139 chipset.
> Now, in closing I know none of the three cards I've discussed are
> comparable to something like the members of the 3com family like the 3c905
> series, but they're reliable and are a good value whether you buy them for
> $1 on the www site or pay market price for them which is between $15 and
> $20 cdn with taxes around my neck of the woods.
> Just my thoughts and hope I've not offended anyone byyy taking sides on
> this issue.
> Regards to all on list!
>
> Ed Barnes
> E-mail edbarnes@anomaly.2y.net or ebarnes1@warp.nfld.net
> Ph (home) 709-596-3165 or (cell) 709-683-6085
> http://anomaly.2y.net
> "Money will buy you a pretty good dog, but it won't buy the wag of his
> tail." --- unknown
>
>  On Sun, 19 May 2002, Raul
> A. Gallegos wrote:
>
> > Chuck now that is just not fair for you to say.  First off when I
purchased
> > the nics I sent you they came with a linux kernel driver which I was
able to
> > get working, second I would not purchase 3 nics so I can use one and
offer
> > you 2 if they didnt' work with LInux.  I"m still successfully using that
nic
> > on a LInux system.  Thirdly I most certainly replied to you regarding
the
> > nics when you emailed me and you never replied back.  I can go to my
> > sent-foler and resend you those emssages if you like.
> >
> > Best regards.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Charles Hallenbeck" <hallenbeck@valstar.net>
> > To: "Speakup Mailing-list" <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2002 5:43 AM
> > Subject: Re: nic at real cheap price
> >
> >
> > > Raul,
> > > You swapped two of those cards for a broken computer of mine once
> > > claiming them to be supported by Linux, but I was unable to
> > > compile the driver and you were unable to tell me how to do it.
> > > Are we talking about the same cards here? If so, there might be a
> > > problem for some users.
> > >
> > > Chuck
> > >
> > > On Fri, 17 May 2002, Raul A. Gallegos wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hey guys and gals.  I know it's not an ad list but my eyes bulged
out
> > > > when I saw this one.
> > > >
> > > > http://www.pcmaxsystems.com/networkcards.html
> > > >
> > > > Realtech network cards for only $1 and they are new.  They also
> > > > definitely work with Linux no problems in any kernel.
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Visit me at http://www.valstar.net/~hallenbeck
> > > The Moon is Waxing Crescent (35% of Full)
> > >
> > >
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> > >
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Nics and their relative value

[Kerry Hoath]

You are perhapse using these cards in low usage conditions or do not use 
multicast.
The rtl8139 a/b/c  is a low cost connectivity solution for 100 megabit networks.
It is a cheap chip and for that reason has appeared on many oem designs and cards.
It has a 64-slot multicast filter that takes the intermediate result after crc and uses
that as a hash into a table. It works well enough
but does not filter anywhere as well as the tulip or 3com designs.
Although the 8139 chips are a pci-bus master, I have noticed negative
performance situations where mp3s broke up when copying large amounts over
a network under Windows.
Upgrading drivers helped aleviate the problem but did not fix it and system performance
was far better with the 3com 3c9x cards in them.

Older machines can have problems with the rtl parts, especially
if they do not support apm correctly. The 8139 chip goes to sleep and
crashes the box.
Replace the card with an rtl8029 or a tulip or a 3com which doesn't insist on
doing PCI pwer management and the problem goes away.

On your home network copying a few files around at 10 megabit or under low load
the cards might seem fine, but don't put them in a file server
or where performance is critical.
Cards that cost $10-$20US are not and never will be as higher performing as cards
that cost $50-$100.
Regarding the ne2000; now there was a completely cheap and
nasty chip design that was adopted by manifacturers because it
was associated with novell. National Semiconductors
took the simplest ethernet chip design and put out the 8390 chip.
It was cheap, it worked and it was clonable. It wasn't high performance,
it wasn't bug free and it wasn't the fastest card ont he block
either.
If you intend low use or only a few hundred megs across your network per day,
a realtek or ne2000 might suit you fine; but for the serious
network card purchaser, get n intel card or tulip-based
design.
Don't get me started on tranceiver failure. At $1 I expect you can tolerate some of these though;
just get lots of cards.
Never forget:
Good, fast, cheap; pick two.
On Sun, May 19, 2002 at 08:53:02AM -0400, Alex Snow wrote:
> I will be ordering a few of those cards, and if they don't work in my linux
> box like I think they will, I'll put them in my winblows machine.  I have
> used a d-link dfe538 card, with no problems till it got hit by lightning
> last summer.  I have also used some 3com cards like the 3c9 series, and a
> few etherlink 3s.  I have not seen much of a difference.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ed Barnes" <edbarnes@anomaly.2y.net>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2002 3:12 AM
> Subject: Re: nic at real cheap price
> 
> 
> > Hi folks, I have to join on this thread in defense of Rol.
> > Those Realtech's work with kernel 2.4 and they worked with 2.2 as well
> > according to documentation.
> > I say that they worked according to docs with 2.2 because my first work
> > with Linux was recently so it was 2.4.

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Re: Nics and their relative value

[Alex Snow]

The card in this box right now is a tulip base linksys lne100tx card.  They
run around $20.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kerry Hoath" <kerry@gotss.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2002 9:39 AM
Subject: Nics and their relative value


> You are perhapse using these cards in low usage conditions or do not use
> multicast.
> The rtl8139 a/b/c  is a low cost connectivity solution for 100 megabit
networks.
> It is a cheap chip and for that reason has appeared on many oem designs
and cards.
> It has a 64-slot multicast filter that takes the intermediate result after
crc and uses
> that as a hash into a table. It works well enough
> but does not filter anywhere as well as the tulip or 3com designs.
> Although the 8139 chips are a pci-bus master, I have noticed negative
> performance situations where mp3s broke up when copying large amounts over
> a network under Windows.
> Upgrading drivers helped aleviate the problem but did not fix it and
system performance
> was far better with the 3com 3c9x cards in them.
>
> Older machines can have problems with the rtl parts, especially
> if they do not support apm correctly. The 8139 chip goes to sleep and
> crashes the box.
> Replace the card with an rtl8029 or a tulip or a 3com which doesn't insist
on
> doing PCI pwer management and the problem goes away.
>
> On your home network copying a few files around at 10 megabit or under low
load
> the cards might seem fine, but don't put them in a file server
> or where performance is critical.
> Cards that cost $10-$20US are not and never will be as higher performing
as cards
> that cost $50-$100.
> Regarding the ne2000; now there was a completely cheap and
> nasty chip design that was adopted by manifacturers because it
> was associated with novell. National Semiconductors
> took the simplest ethernet chip design and put out the 8390 chip.
> It was cheap, it worked and it was clonable. It wasn't high performance,
> it wasn't bug free and it wasn't the fastest card ont he block
> either.
> If you intend low use or only a few hundred megs across your network per
day,
> a realtek or ne2000 might suit you fine; but for the serious
> network card purchaser, get n intel card or tulip-based
> design.
> Don't get me started on tranceiver failure. At $1 I expect you can
tolerate some of these though;
> just get lots of cards.
> Never forget:
> Good, fast, cheap; pick two.
> On Sun, May 19, 2002 at 08:53:02AM -0400, Alex Snow wrote:
> > I will be ordering a few of those cards, and if they don't work in my
linux
> > box like I think they will, I'll put them in my winblows machine.  I
have
> > used a d-link dfe538 card, with no problems till it got hit by lightning
> > last summer.  I have also used some 3com cards like the 3c9 series, and
a
> > few etherlink 3s.  I have not seen much of a difference.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Ed Barnes" <edbarnes@anomaly.2y.net>
> > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2002 3:12 AM
> > Subject: Re: nic at real cheap price
> >
> >
> > > Hi folks, I have to join on this thread in defense of Rol.
> > > Those Realtech's work with kernel 2.4 and they worked with 2.2 as well
> > > according to documentation.
> > > I say that they worked according to docs with 2.2 because my first
work
> > > with Linux was recently so it was 2.4.
>
> --
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kerry@gotss.spice.net.au
> ICQ: 8226547 msn: kerry@gotss.net Yahoo: kerryhoath@yahoo.com.au
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Re: Nics and their relative value

[Ed Barnes]

Hi Kerry and list.
Thanks for sending this response to my and Alex's posts.
I was aware that the Realtech 8139 and its relatives weren't in the same 
league as members of the 3c90x family from 3Com, however; the editional 
points which you raised Kerry were for the most part things I wasn't 
aware of so this post is a keeper for me.
Luckally in my case my usage for the relatives of the Realtech 8139 are 
not mission-critical.
The nic which receives the greatest load here at my place is eth0 in 
this Red Hat box and it's a 3c905B.
That card has served me well for three years and it probably will for a 
bit yet.
Also just curious, I know that alot of 3com cards have life-time 
warranties, what's the general consensus regarding warranty on cheaper 
nics such as the ones we're discussion. Frankly I look at the issue lie 
this, you get what you pay for so if a Realtech 8139 dies after a year or 
two you got your money's worth, nevertheless I am curious here and was 
wondering if anyone on the list knew.
Ed

Ed Barnes
E-mail edbarnes@anomaly.2y.net or ebarnes1@warp.nfld.net
Ph (home) 709-596-3165 or (cell) 709-683-6085
http://anomaly.2y.net
"Money will buy you a pretty good dog, but it won't buy the wag of his 
tail." --- unknown

 On Sun, 19 May 2002, Kerry Hoath 
wrote:

> You are perhapse using these cards in low usage conditions or do not use 
> multicast.
> The rtl8139 a/b/c  is a low cost connectivity solution for 100 megabit networks.
> It is a cheap chip and for that reason has appeared on many oem designs and cards.
> It has a 64-slot multicast filter that takes the intermediate result after crc and uses
> that as a hash into a table. It works well enough
> but does not filter anywhere as well as the tulip or 3com designs.
> Although the 8139 chips are a pci-bus master, I have noticed negative
> performance situations where mp3s broke up when copying large amounts over
> a network under Windows.
> Upgrading drivers helped aleviate the problem but did not fix it and system performance
> was far better with the 3com 3c9x cards in them.
> 
> Older machines can have problems with the rtl parts, especially
> if they do not support apm correctly. The 8139 chip goes to sleep and
> crashes the box.
> Replace the card with an rtl8029 or a tulip or a 3com which doesn't insist on
> doing PCI pwer management and the problem goes away.
> 
> On your home network copying a few files around at 10 megabit or under low load
> the cards might seem fine, but don't put them in a file server
> or where performance is critical.
> Cards that cost $10-$20US are not and never will be as higher performing as cards
> that cost $50-$100.
> Regarding the ne2000; now there was a completely cheap and
> nasty chip design that was adopted by manifacturers because it
> was associated with novell. National Semiconductors
> took the simplest ethernet chip design and put out the 8390 chip.
> It was cheap, it worked and it was clonable. It wasn't high performance,
> it wasn't bug free and it wasn't the fastest card ont he block
> either.
> If you intend low use or only a few hundred megs across your network per day,
> a realtek or ne2000 might suit you fine; but for the serious
> network card purchaser, get n intel card or tulip-based
> design.
> Don't get me started on tranceiver failure. At $1 I expect you can tolerate some of these though;
> just get lots of cards.
> Never forget:
> Good, fast, cheap; pick two.
> On Sun, May 19, 2002 at 08:53:02AM -0400, Alex Snow wrote:
> > I will be ordering a few of those cards, and if they don't work in my linux
> > box like I think they will, I'll put them in my winblows machine.  I have
> > used a d-link dfe538 card, with no problems till it got hit by lightning
> > last summer.  I have also used some 3com cards like the 3c9 series, and a
> > few etherlink 3s.  I have not seen much of a difference.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Ed Barnes" <edbarnes@anomaly.2y.net>
> > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2002 3:12 AM
> > Subject: Re: nic at real cheap price
> > 
> > 
> > > Hi folks, I have to join on this thread in defense of Rol.
> > > Those Realtech's work with kernel 2.4 and they worked with 2.2 as well
> > > according to documentation.
> > > I say that they worked according to docs with 2.2 because my first work
> > > with Linux was recently so it was 2.4.
> 
> 

Re: Nics and their relative value

[Kerry Hoath]

There is 12 months waranty on the realtek cards and most other
cheap ones.

Regards, Kerry.

On Sun, May 19, 2002 at 09:50:11PM -0230, Ed Barnes wrote:
> Hi Kerry and list.
> Thanks for sending this response to my and Alex's posts.
> I was aware that the Realtech 8139 and its relatives weren't in the same 
> league as members of the 3c90x family from 3Com, however; the editional 
> points which you raised Kerry were for the most part things I wasn't 
> aware of so this post is a keeper for me.
> Luckally in my case my usage for the relatives of the Realtech 8139 are 
> not mission-critical.
> The nic which receives the greatest load here at my place is eth0 in 
> this Red Hat box and it's a 3c905B.
> That card has served me well for three years and it probably will for a 
> bit yet.
> Also just curious, I know that alot of 3com cards have life-time 
> warranties, what's the general consensus regarding warranty on cheaper 
> nics such as the ones we're discussion. Frankly I look at the issue lie 
> this, you get what you pay for so if a Realtech 8139 dies after a year or 
> two you got your money's worth, nevertheless I am curious here and was 
> wondering if anyone on the list knew.
> Ed
> 
> Ed Barnes
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