* nic at real cheap price
@ Raul A. Gallegos
` Alex Snow
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0 siblings, 3 replies; 15+ messages in thread
From: Raul A. Gallegos @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Speakup Mailing-list
Hey guys and gals. I know it's not an ad list but my eyes bulged out
when I saw this one.
http://www.pcmaxsystems.com/networkcards.html
Realtech network cards for only $1 and they are new. They also
definitely work with Linux no problems in any kernel.
--
If you perceive that there are four possible ways in which a procedure can
go wrong, and circumvent these, then a fifth way will promptly develop.
Raul A. Gallegos - http://www.asmodean.net
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 15+ messages in thread* Re: nic at real cheap price nic at real cheap price Raul A. Gallegos @ ` Alex Snow ` Raul A. Gallegos ` Toby Fisher ` Charles Hallenbeck 2 siblings, 1 reply; 15+ messages in thread From: Alex Snow @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup Wow! I've never seen em that cheap. Do you know how much shipping is? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Raul A. Gallegos" <raul@asmodean.net> To: "Speakup Mailing-list" <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> Sent: Friday, May 17, 2002 2:11 PM Subject: nic at real cheap price > Hey guys and gals. I know it's not an ad list but my eyes bulged out > when I saw this one. > > http://www.pcmaxsystems.com/networkcards.html > > Realtech network cards for only $1 and they are new. They also > definitely work with Linux no problems in any kernel. > > -- > If you perceive that there are four possible ways in which a procedure can > go wrong, and circumvent these, then a fifth way will promptly develop. > Raul A. Gallegos - http://www.asmodean.net > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 15+ messages in thread
* Re: nic at real cheap price ` Alex Snow @ ` Raul A. Gallegos ` Buddy Brannan ` Ed Barnes 0 siblings, 2 replies; 15+ messages in thread From: Raul A. Gallegos @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup Have not looked at the particular shipping of that site but I think it was around $3 or $4. I've seen these nics at local computer stores for around 9 or 10 dollars so after shipping even if shipping is $5 it's still cheaper overall. Alex Snow said the following on Fri, May 17, 2002 at 02:48:35PM -0400: > Wow! I've never seen em that cheap. Do you know how much shipping is? -- If you perceive that there are four possible ways in which a procedure can go wrong, and circumvent these, then a fifth way will promptly develop. Raul A. Gallegos - http://www.asmodean.net ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 15+ messages in thread
* Re: nic at real cheap price ` Raul A. Gallegos @ ` Buddy Brannan ` Ed Barnes 1 sibling, 0 replies; 15+ messages in thread From: Buddy Brannan @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup Heck, I think I'll buy four of em or so myself. ... Wow...That's really cheap! Seems they have switches, hubs, and routers for fairly cheap as well. (Course, turning an existing machine into a router is cheaper yet...but...) -- Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV/3 | I choose you to take up all of my time. Email: davros@ycardz.com | I choose you because you're funny and kind | I want easy people from now on. | --the Nields ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 15+ messages in thread
* Re: nic at real cheap price ` Raul A. Gallegos ` Buddy Brannan @ ` Ed Barnes 1 sibling, 0 replies; 15+ messages in thread From: Ed Barnes @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup Hi there, another deal that isn't bad though it isn't as good as that deal on realtech's is at www.ncix.com if you are a member d-link dfe-530tx 10/100 pci nics are $13.50 and that's cdn. Shipping is quite reasonable too. Sales tax is only 7% for people who order from that site as well because the site does business from British Colombia where there's no provincial sales tax. Hope this is helpful to some on list. Have a good week-end all! Ed Barnes E-mail edbarnes@anomaly.2y.net or ebarnes1@warp.nfld.net Ph (home) 709-596-3165 or (cell) 709-683-6085 http://anomaly.2y.net "Money will buy you a pretty good dog, but it won't buy the wag of his tail." --- unknown On Fri, 17 May 2002, Raul A. Gallegos wrote: > Have not looked at the particular shipping of that site but I think > it was around $3 or $4. > > I've seen these nics at local computer stores for around 9 or 10 > dollars so after shipping even if shipping is $5 it's still cheaper > overall. > > Alex Snow said the following on Fri, May 17, 2002 at 02:48:35PM > -0400: > > Wow! I've never seen em that cheap. Do you know how much shipping is? > > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 15+ messages in thread
* Re: nic at real cheap price nic at real cheap price Raul A. Gallegos ` Alex Snow @ ` Toby Fisher ` Alex Snow ` Charles Hallenbeck 2 siblings, 1 reply; 15+ messages in thread From: Toby Fisher @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup Mailing-list On Fri, 17 May 2002, Raul A. Gallegos wrote: > Hey guys and gals. I know it's not an ad list but my eyes bulged out > when I saw this one. > > http://www.pcmaxsystems.com/networkcards.html > > Realtech network cards for only $1 and they are new. They also > definitely work with Linux no problems in any kernel. Actually, I'm not sure they'd work in 0.0.3. *smile* Cheers. -- Toby Fisher Email: toby@g0ucu.freeserve.co.uk Tel.: +44(0)1480 417272 Mobile: +44(0)7974 363239 ICQ: #61744808 Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 15+ messages in thread
* Re: nic at real cheap price ` Toby Fisher @ ` Alex Snow 0 siblings, 0 replies; 15+ messages in thread From: Alex Snow @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup Well I hope no one is still using that kernel. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Toby Fisher" <toby_fisher@bigfoot.com> To: "Speakup Mailing-list" <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> Sent: Friday, May 17, 2002 4:46 PM Subject: Re: nic at real cheap price > On Fri, 17 May 2002, Raul A. Gallegos wrote: > > > Hey guys and gals. I know it's not an ad list but my eyes bulged out > > when I saw this one. > > > > http://www.pcmaxsystems.com/networkcards.html > > > > Realtech network cards for only $1 and they are new. They also > > definitely work with Linux no problems in any kernel. > > Actually, I'm not sure they'd work in 0.0.3. *smile* > > Cheers. > > -- > Toby Fisher Email: toby@g0ucu.freeserve.co.uk > Tel.: +44(0)1480 417272 Mobile: +44(0)7974 363239 > ICQ: #61744808 > Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. > See http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html > > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 15+ messages in thread
* Re: nic at real cheap price nic at real cheap price Raul A. Gallegos ` Alex Snow ` Toby Fisher @ ` Charles Hallenbeck ` Raul A. Gallegos 2 siblings, 1 reply; 15+ messages in thread From: Charles Hallenbeck @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup Mailing-list Raul, You swapped two of those cards for a broken computer of mine once claiming them to be supported by Linux, but I was unable to compile the driver and you were unable to tell me how to do it. Are we talking about the same cards here? If so, there might be a problem for some users. Chuck On Fri, 17 May 2002, Raul A. Gallegos wrote: > Hey guys and gals. I know it's not an ad list but my eyes bulged out > when I saw this one. > > http://www.pcmaxsystems.com/networkcards.html > > Realtech network cards for only $1 and they are new. They also > definitely work with Linux no problems in any kernel. > > -- Visit me at http://www.valstar.net/~hallenbeck The Moon is Waxing Crescent (35% of Full) ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 15+ messages in thread
* Re: nic at real cheap price ` Charles Hallenbeck @ ` Raul A. Gallegos ` Ed Barnes 0 siblings, 1 reply; 15+ messages in thread From: Raul A. Gallegos @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup Chuck now that is just not fair for you to say. First off when I purchased the nics I sent you they came with a linux kernel driver which I was able to get working, second I would not purchase 3 nics so I can use one and offer you 2 if they didnt' work with LInux. I"m still successfully using that nic on a LInux system. Thirdly I most certainly replied to you regarding the nics when you emailed me and you never replied back. I can go to my sent-foler and resend you those emssages if you like. Best regards. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles Hallenbeck" <hallenbeck@valstar.net> To: "Speakup Mailing-list" <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2002 5:43 AM Subject: Re: nic at real cheap price > Raul, > You swapped two of those cards for a broken computer of mine once > claiming them to be supported by Linux, but I was unable to > compile the driver and you were unable to tell me how to do it. > Are we talking about the same cards here? If so, there might be a > problem for some users. > > Chuck > > On Fri, 17 May 2002, Raul A. Gallegos wrote: > > > Hey guys and gals. I know it's not an ad list but my eyes bulged out > > when I saw this one. > > > > http://www.pcmaxsystems.com/networkcards.html > > > > Realtech network cards for only $1 and they are new. They also > > definitely work with Linux no problems in any kernel. > > > > > > -- > Visit me at http://www.valstar.net/~hallenbeck > The Moon is Waxing Crescent (35% of Full) > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 15+ messages in thread
* Re: nic at real cheap price ` Raul A. Gallegos @ ` Ed Barnes ` Alex Snow 0 siblings, 1 reply; 15+ messages in thread From: Ed Barnes @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup Hi folks, I have to join on this thread in defense of Rol. Those Realtech's work with kernel 2.4 and they worked with 2.2 as well according to documentation. I say that they worked according to docs with 2.2 because my first work with Linux was recently so it was 2.4. However in researching before I purchased them I learned this so it's decently documented. Further I know the kernel module for 2.4 is 8139too and if memory serves correctly the name of the kernel module driver for 2.2 is rtl8139. I have two cousins of the realtech 8139 he4re and I put one ina buddies system and all are working well, I put an aln325 aopen which uses the realtech 8139 system in my friend Dwayne's Windows system, my own Windows system has a cousin of the Realtech 8139, an smc1244 10/100 which also of course uses the realtech 8139 chipset. And, eth1 in my Linux box is a D-link dfe-538 which uses once again the Realtech 8139 chipset. Now, in closing I know none of the three cards I've discussed are comparable to something like the members of the 3com family like the 3c905 series, but they're reliable and are a good value whether you buy them for $1 on the www site or pay market price for them which is between $15 and $20 cdn with taxes around my neck of the woods. Just my thoughts and hope I've not offended anyone byyy taking sides on this issue. Regards to all on list! Ed Barnes E-mail edbarnes@anomaly.2y.net or ebarnes1@warp.nfld.net Ph (home) 709-596-3165 or (cell) 709-683-6085 http://anomaly.2y.net "Money will buy you a pretty good dog, but it won't buy the wag of his tail." --- unknown On Sun, 19 May 2002, Raul A. Gallegos wrote: > Chuck now that is just not fair for you to say. First off when I purchased > the nics I sent you they came with a linux kernel driver which I was able to > get working, second I would not purchase 3 nics so I can use one and offer > you 2 if they didnt' work with LInux. I"m still successfully using that nic > on a LInux system. Thirdly I most certainly replied to you regarding the > nics when you emailed me and you never replied back. I can go to my > sent-foler and resend you those emssages if you like. > > Best regards. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Charles Hallenbeck" <hallenbeck@valstar.net> > To: "Speakup Mailing-list" <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> > Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2002 5:43 AM > Subject: Re: nic at real cheap price > > > > Raul, > > You swapped two of those cards for a broken computer of mine once > > claiming them to be supported by Linux, but I was unable to > > compile the driver and you were unable to tell me how to do it. > > Are we talking about the same cards here? If so, there might be a > > problem for some users. > > > > Chuck > > > > On Fri, 17 May 2002, Raul A. Gallegos wrote: > > > > > Hey guys and gals. I know it's not an ad list but my eyes bulged out > > > when I saw this one. > > > > > > http://www.pcmaxsystems.com/networkcards.html > > > > > > Realtech network cards for only $1 and they are new. They also > > > definitely work with Linux no problems in any kernel. > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Visit me at http://www.valstar.net/~hallenbeck > > The Moon is Waxing Crescent (35% of Full) > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 15+ messages in thread
* Re: nic at real cheap price ` Ed Barnes @ ` Alex Snow ` Nics and their relative value Kerry Hoath 0 siblings, 1 reply; 15+ messages in thread From: Alex Snow @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup I will be ordering a few of those cards, and if they don't work in my linux box like I think they will, I'll put them in my winblows machine. I have used a d-link dfe538 card, with no problems till it got hit by lightning last summer. I have also used some 3com cards like the 3c9 series, and a few etherlink 3s. I have not seen much of a difference. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ed Barnes" <edbarnes@anomaly.2y.net> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2002 3:12 AM Subject: Re: nic at real cheap price > Hi folks, I have to join on this thread in defense of Rol. > Those Realtech's work with kernel 2.4 and they worked with 2.2 as well > according to documentation. > I say that they worked according to docs with 2.2 because my first work > with Linux was recently so it was 2.4. > However in researching before I purchased them I learned this so it's > decently documented. > Further I know the kernel module for 2.4 is 8139too and if memory serves > correctly the name of the kernel module driver for 2.2 is rtl8139. > I have two cousins of the realtech 8139 he4re and I put one ina buddies > system and all are working well, I put an aln325 aopen which uses the > realtech 8139 system in my friend Dwayne's Windows system, my own Windows > system has a cousin of the Realtech 8139, an smc1244 10/100 which also of > course uses the realtech 8139 chipset. > And, eth1 in my Linux box is a D-link dfe-538 which uses once again the > Realtech 8139 chipset. > Now, in closing I know none of the three cards I've discussed are > comparable to something like the members of the 3com family like the 3c905 > series, but they're reliable and are a good value whether you buy them for > $1 on the www site or pay market price for them which is between $15 and > $20 cdn with taxes around my neck of the woods. > Just my thoughts and hope I've not offended anyone byyy taking sides on > this issue. > Regards to all on list! > > Ed Barnes > E-mail edbarnes@anomaly.2y.net or ebarnes1@warp.nfld.net > Ph (home) 709-596-3165 or (cell) 709-683-6085 > http://anomaly.2y.net > "Money will buy you a pretty good dog, but it won't buy the wag of his > tail." --- unknown > > On Sun, 19 May 2002, Raul > A. Gallegos wrote: > > > Chuck now that is just not fair for you to say. First off when I purchased > > the nics I sent you they came with a linux kernel driver which I was able to > > get working, second I would not purchase 3 nics so I can use one and offer > > you 2 if they didnt' work with LInux. I"m still successfully using that nic > > on a LInux system. Thirdly I most certainly replied to you regarding the > > nics when you emailed me and you never replied back. I can go to my > > sent-foler and resend you those emssages if you like. > > > > Best regards. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Charles Hallenbeck" <hallenbeck@valstar.net> > > To: "Speakup Mailing-list" <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> > > Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2002 5:43 AM > > Subject: Re: nic at real cheap price > > > > > > > Raul, > > > You swapped two of those cards for a broken computer of mine once > > > claiming them to be supported by Linux, but I was unable to > > > compile the driver and you were unable to tell me how to do it. > > > Are we talking about the same cards here? If so, there might be a > > > problem for some users. > > > > > > Chuck > > > > > > On Fri, 17 May 2002, Raul A. Gallegos wrote: > > > > > > > Hey guys and gals. I know it's not an ad list but my eyes bulged out > > > > when I saw this one. > > > > > > > > http://www.pcmaxsystems.com/networkcards.html > > > > > > > > Realtech network cards for only $1 and they are new. They also > > > > definitely work with Linux no problems in any kernel. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Visit me at http://www.valstar.net/~hallenbeck > > > The Moon is Waxing Crescent (35% of Full) > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Speakup mailing list > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 15+ messages in thread
* Nics and their relative value ` Alex Snow @ ` Kerry Hoath ` Alex Snow ` Ed Barnes 0 siblings, 2 replies; 15+ messages in thread From: Kerry Hoath @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup You are perhapse using these cards in low usage conditions or do not use multicast. The rtl8139 a/b/c is a low cost connectivity solution for 100 megabit networks. It is a cheap chip and for that reason has appeared on many oem designs and cards. It has a 64-slot multicast filter that takes the intermediate result after crc and uses that as a hash into a table. It works well enough but does not filter anywhere as well as the tulip or 3com designs. Although the 8139 chips are a pci-bus master, I have noticed negative performance situations where mp3s broke up when copying large amounts over a network under Windows. Upgrading drivers helped aleviate the problem but did not fix it and system performance was far better with the 3com 3c9x cards in them. Older machines can have problems with the rtl parts, especially if they do not support apm correctly. The 8139 chip goes to sleep and crashes the box. Replace the card with an rtl8029 or a tulip or a 3com which doesn't insist on doing PCI pwer management and the problem goes away. On your home network copying a few files around at 10 megabit or under low load the cards might seem fine, but don't put them in a file server or where performance is critical. Cards that cost $10-$20US are not and never will be as higher performing as cards that cost $50-$100. Regarding the ne2000; now there was a completely cheap and nasty chip design that was adopted by manifacturers because it was associated with novell. National Semiconductors took the simplest ethernet chip design and put out the 8390 chip. It was cheap, it worked and it was clonable. It wasn't high performance, it wasn't bug free and it wasn't the fastest card ont he block either. If you intend low use or only a few hundred megs across your network per day, a realtek or ne2000 might suit you fine; but for the serious network card purchaser, get n intel card or tulip-based design. Don't get me started on tranceiver failure. At $1 I expect you can tolerate some of these though; just get lots of cards. Never forget: Good, fast, cheap; pick two. On Sun, May 19, 2002 at 08:53:02AM -0400, Alex Snow wrote: > I will be ordering a few of those cards, and if they don't work in my linux > box like I think they will, I'll put them in my winblows machine. I have > used a d-link dfe538 card, with no problems till it got hit by lightning > last summer. I have also used some 3com cards like the 3c9 series, and a > few etherlink 3s. I have not seen much of a difference. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ed Barnes" <edbarnes@anomaly.2y.net> > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> > Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2002 3:12 AM > Subject: Re: nic at real cheap price > > > > Hi folks, I have to join on this thread in defense of Rol. > > Those Realtech's work with kernel 2.4 and they worked with 2.2 as well > > according to documentation. > > I say that they worked according to docs with 2.2 because my first work > > with Linux was recently so it was 2.4. -- Kerry Hoath: kerry@gotss.net kerry@gotss.eu.org or kerry@gotss.spice.net.au ICQ: 8226547 msn: kerry@gotss.net Yahoo: kerryhoath@yahoo.com.au ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 15+ messages in thread
* Re: Nics and their relative value ` Nics and their relative value Kerry Hoath @ ` Alex Snow ` Ed Barnes 1 sibling, 0 replies; 15+ messages in thread From: Alex Snow @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup The card in this box right now is a tulip base linksys lne100tx card. They run around $20. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kerry Hoath" <kerry@gotss.net> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2002 9:39 AM Subject: Nics and their relative value > You are perhapse using these cards in low usage conditions or do not use > multicast. > The rtl8139 a/b/c is a low cost connectivity solution for 100 megabit networks. > It is a cheap chip and for that reason has appeared on many oem designs and cards. > It has a 64-slot multicast filter that takes the intermediate result after crc and uses > that as a hash into a table. It works well enough > but does not filter anywhere as well as the tulip or 3com designs. > Although the 8139 chips are a pci-bus master, I have noticed negative > performance situations where mp3s broke up when copying large amounts over > a network under Windows. > Upgrading drivers helped aleviate the problem but did not fix it and system performance > was far better with the 3com 3c9x cards in them. > > Older machines can have problems with the rtl parts, especially > if they do not support apm correctly. The 8139 chip goes to sleep and > crashes the box. > Replace the card with an rtl8029 or a tulip or a 3com which doesn't insist on > doing PCI pwer management and the problem goes away. > > On your home network copying a few files around at 10 megabit or under low load > the cards might seem fine, but don't put them in a file server > or where performance is critical. > Cards that cost $10-$20US are not and never will be as higher performing as cards > that cost $50-$100. > Regarding the ne2000; now there was a completely cheap and > nasty chip design that was adopted by manifacturers because it > was associated with novell. National Semiconductors > took the simplest ethernet chip design and put out the 8390 chip. > It was cheap, it worked and it was clonable. It wasn't high performance, > it wasn't bug free and it wasn't the fastest card ont he block > either. > If you intend low use or only a few hundred megs across your network per day, > a realtek or ne2000 might suit you fine; but for the serious > network card purchaser, get n intel card or tulip-based > design. > Don't get me started on tranceiver failure. At $1 I expect you can tolerate some of these though; > just get lots of cards. > Never forget: > Good, fast, cheap; pick two. > On Sun, May 19, 2002 at 08:53:02AM -0400, Alex Snow wrote: > > I will be ordering a few of those cards, and if they don't work in my linux > > box like I think they will, I'll put them in my winblows machine. I have > > used a d-link dfe538 card, with no problems till it got hit by lightning > > last summer. I have also used some 3com cards like the 3c9 series, and a > > few etherlink 3s. I have not seen much of a difference. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ed Barnes" <edbarnes@anomaly.2y.net> > > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> > > Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2002 3:12 AM > > Subject: Re: nic at real cheap price > > > > > > > Hi folks, I have to join on this thread in defense of Rol. > > > Those Realtech's work with kernel 2.4 and they worked with 2.2 as well > > > according to documentation. > > > I say that they worked according to docs with 2.2 because my first work > > > with Linux was recently so it was 2.4. > > -- > Kerry Hoath: kerry@gotss.net kerry@gotss.eu.org or kerry@gotss.spice.net.au > ICQ: 8226547 msn: kerry@gotss.net Yahoo: kerryhoath@yahoo.com.au > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 15+ messages in thread
* Re: Nics and their relative value ` Nics and their relative value Kerry Hoath ` Alex Snow @ ` Ed Barnes ` Kerry Hoath 1 sibling, 1 reply; 15+ messages in thread From: Ed Barnes @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup Hi Kerry and list. Thanks for sending this response to my and Alex's posts. I was aware that the Realtech 8139 and its relatives weren't in the same league as members of the 3c90x family from 3Com, however; the editional points which you raised Kerry were for the most part things I wasn't aware of so this post is a keeper for me. Luckally in my case my usage for the relatives of the Realtech 8139 are not mission-critical. The nic which receives the greatest load here at my place is eth0 in this Red Hat box and it's a 3c905B. That card has served me well for three years and it probably will for a bit yet. Also just curious, I know that alot of 3com cards have life-time warranties, what's the general consensus regarding warranty on cheaper nics such as the ones we're discussion. Frankly I look at the issue lie this, you get what you pay for so if a Realtech 8139 dies after a year or two you got your money's worth, nevertheless I am curious here and was wondering if anyone on the list knew. Ed Ed Barnes E-mail edbarnes@anomaly.2y.net or ebarnes1@warp.nfld.net Ph (home) 709-596-3165 or (cell) 709-683-6085 http://anomaly.2y.net "Money will buy you a pretty good dog, but it won't buy the wag of his tail." --- unknown On Sun, 19 May 2002, Kerry Hoath wrote: > You are perhapse using these cards in low usage conditions or do not use > multicast. > The rtl8139 a/b/c is a low cost connectivity solution for 100 megabit networks. > It is a cheap chip and for that reason has appeared on many oem designs and cards. > It has a 64-slot multicast filter that takes the intermediate result after crc and uses > that as a hash into a table. It works well enough > but does not filter anywhere as well as the tulip or 3com designs. > Although the 8139 chips are a pci-bus master, I have noticed negative > performance situations where mp3s broke up when copying large amounts over > a network under Windows. > Upgrading drivers helped aleviate the problem but did not fix it and system performance > was far better with the 3com 3c9x cards in them. > > Older machines can have problems with the rtl parts, especially > if they do not support apm correctly. The 8139 chip goes to sleep and > crashes the box. > Replace the card with an rtl8029 or a tulip or a 3com which doesn't insist on > doing PCI pwer management and the problem goes away. > > On your home network copying a few files around at 10 megabit or under low load > the cards might seem fine, but don't put them in a file server > or where performance is critical. > Cards that cost $10-$20US are not and never will be as higher performing as cards > that cost $50-$100. > Regarding the ne2000; now there was a completely cheap and > nasty chip design that was adopted by manifacturers because it > was associated with novell. National Semiconductors > took the simplest ethernet chip design and put out the 8390 chip. > It was cheap, it worked and it was clonable. It wasn't high performance, > it wasn't bug free and it wasn't the fastest card ont he block > either. > If you intend low use or only a few hundred megs across your network per day, > a realtek or ne2000 might suit you fine; but for the serious > network card purchaser, get n intel card or tulip-based > design. > Don't get me started on tranceiver failure. At $1 I expect you can tolerate some of these though; > just get lots of cards. > Never forget: > Good, fast, cheap; pick two. > On Sun, May 19, 2002 at 08:53:02AM -0400, Alex Snow wrote: > > I will be ordering a few of those cards, and if they don't work in my linux > > box like I think they will, I'll put them in my winblows machine. I have > > used a d-link dfe538 card, with no problems till it got hit by lightning > > last summer. I have also used some 3com cards like the 3c9 series, and a > > few etherlink 3s. I have not seen much of a difference. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ed Barnes" <edbarnes@anomaly.2y.net> > > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> > > Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2002 3:12 AM > > Subject: Re: nic at real cheap price > > > > > > > Hi folks, I have to join on this thread in defense of Rol. > > > Those Realtech's work with kernel 2.4 and they worked with 2.2 as well > > > according to documentation. > > > I say that they worked according to docs with 2.2 because my first work > > > with Linux was recently so it was 2.4. > > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 15+ messages in thread
* Re: Nics and their relative value ` Ed Barnes @ ` Kerry Hoath 0 siblings, 0 replies; 15+ messages in thread From: Kerry Hoath @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup There is 12 months waranty on the realtek cards and most other cheap ones. Regards, Kerry. On Sun, May 19, 2002 at 09:50:11PM -0230, Ed Barnes wrote: > Hi Kerry and list. > Thanks for sending this response to my and Alex's posts. > I was aware that the Realtech 8139 and its relatives weren't in the same > league as members of the 3c90x family from 3Com, however; the editional > points which you raised Kerry were for the most part things I wasn't > aware of so this post is a keeper for me. > Luckally in my case my usage for the relatives of the Realtech 8139 are > not mission-critical. > The nic which receives the greatest load here at my place is eth0 in > this Red Hat box and it's a 3c905B. > That card has served me well for three years and it probably will for a > bit yet. > Also just curious, I know that alot of 3com cards have life-time > warranties, what's the general consensus regarding warranty on cheaper > nics such as the ones we're discussion. Frankly I look at the issue lie > this, you get what you pay for so if a Realtech 8139 dies after a year or > two you got your money's worth, nevertheless I am curious here and was > wondering if anyone on the list knew. > Ed > > Ed Barnes > E-mail edbarnes@anomaly.2y.net or ebarnes1@warp.nfld.net > Ph (home) 709-596-3165 or (cell) 709-683-6085 > http://anomaly.2y.net > "Money will buy you a pretty good dog, but it won't buy the wag of his > tail." --- unknown -- Kerry Hoath: kerry@gotss.net kerry@gotss.eu.org or kerry@gotss.spice.net.au ICQ: 8226547 msn: kerry@gotss.net Yahoo: kerryhoath@yahoo.com.au ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 15+ messages in thread
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