intro and questions

intro and questions

[Alonzo]

Hello everyone,

My name is Alonzo. I'm from Texas and attend TexasA.M   in Corpus
Christi. I am currently using Fc9 and am new to linux. I'm not totally
new, but I'm just barely getting back into linux after using  four it
years ago.

My computer is anAMD64 with a gig of ram. I have installed the 32 bit
version of Fedora with speakup motified. I'm wanting to use speakup, but
just had a few questions before I do so.
I Also have a laptop running ubuntu. So if it would be easier to convert
my laptop to Fedora, then I can do that as well. I just need input.


My questions are the following for fedora:
1. When using the speakup connector, for ttsynth, I just coppy the make
file into /usr/local/bin/
then creat an alias to start speak up.

2. When I edit the file grub.conf I beleive it's in /boot. To specify
the software speech at boot do I just scroll to the end of the file and
type speakup_synth=sftsynth then restart the computer and hope to have
speech at boot time?

questions not related to speakup:
1 When using the graphical end of Fedora in Gnome, I'm unable to hear
sound and speech at the same time. That is, if I play try listening to
an mp3, I would have to kill speech before hearing music. I tried
following the instructions to get espeak to work along side orca on the
wiki page, but it does not work. please advise on that as well.

Thank you,
Alonzo

note:
I can be reached the following ways
msn: mariachiac@aim.com
aim: mariachiac

If the issues stated above are better solved by phone, then I can
provide that information as well.

Re: intro and questions

[Tyler Littlefield]

Hello,
regarding your bootloader question:
You'll need to specify the synth in the kernel line, I believe.
As for sound, have you installed the alsa driver for your card? either 
you've got a multi channel or alsa is not correctly configured--I had to 
replace the soundcard in my system a few days ago in order to get media and 
other sounds.

Thanks,
~~TheCreator~~
Visit TDS for quality software and website production
http://tysdomain.com
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http://piratecafe.net
msn: tyler@tysdomain.com
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Alonzo" <mariachiac@aim.com>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 12:13 PM
Subject: intro and questions


> Hello everyone,
>
> My name is Alonzo. I'm from Texas and attend TexasA.M   in Corpus
> Christi. I am currently using Fc9 and am new to linux. I'm not totally
> new, but I'm just barely getting back into linux after using  four it
> years ago.
>
> My computer is anAMD64 with a gig of ram. I have installed the 32 bit
> version of Fedora with speakup motified. I'm wanting to use speakup, but
> just had a few questions before I do so.
> I Also have a laptop running ubuntu. So if it would be easier to convert
> my laptop to Fedora, then I can do that as well. I just need input.
>
>
> My questions are the following for fedora:
> 1. When using the speakup connector, for ttsynth, I just coppy the make
> file into /usr/local/bin/
> then creat an alias to start speak up.
>
> 2. When I edit the file grub.conf I beleive it's in /boot. To specify
> the software speech at boot do I just scroll to the end of the file and
> type speakup_synth=sftsynth then restart the computer and hope to have
> speech at boot time?
>
> questions not related to speakup:
> 1 When using the graphical end of Fedora in Gnome, I'm unable to hear
> sound and speech at the same time. That is, if I play try listening to
> an mp3, I would have to kill speech before hearing music. I tried
> following the instructions to get espeak to work along side orca on the
> wiki page, but it does not work. please advise on that as well.
>
> Thank you,
> Alonzo
>
> note:
> I can be reached the following ways
> msn: mariachiac@aim.com
> aim: mariachiac
>
> If the issues stated above are better solved by phone, then I can
> provide that information as well.
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
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>
> This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system.
> http://www.eset.com
>
> 

Re: intro and questions

[Alonzo]

Hello Tylor,

I am able to hear sound in fc9 and orca. I have an hp a1022n desktop. So
the sound card is built in. I have an external sound card, but that's
not currently installed in my computer. The main thing here is I'm
trying to get speakup working with ttsynth and be able to listen to
music when reading documents with Orca. I enjoy listening to music while
reading materials for school. Currently this can't be accomplished since
I lose speech when trying to play audio at the same time. I either lose
speech, or have to kill speech befor hearing an mp3 file using totem
movie player. Alternatively if this is available in speakup by default
with ttsynth, then that will do.
I believe alsa is install or else I would not be able to hear orca or
music with out speech.

Thanks,
Alonzo

On Sun, 2008-07-27 at 16:43 -0600, Tyler Littlefield wrote:
> Hello,
> regarding your bootloader question:
> You'll need to specify the synth in the kernel line, I believe.
> As for sound, have you installed the alsa driver for your card? either 
> you've got a multi channel or alsa is not correctly configured--I had to 
> replace the soundcard in my system a few days ago in order to get media and 
> other sounds.
> 
> Thanks,
> ~~TheCreator~~
> Visit TDS for quality software and website production
> http://tysdomain.com
> visit the piratecafe for programming related resources:
> http://piratecafe.net
> msn: tyler@tysdomain.com
> skype: st8amnd127
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Alonzo" <mariachiac@aim.com>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 12:13 PM
> Subject: intro and questions
> 
> 
> > Hello everyone,
> >
> > My name is Alonzo. I'm from Texas and attend TexasA.M   in Corpus
> > Christi. I am currently using Fc9 and am new to linux. I'm not totally
> > new, but I'm just barely getting back into linux after using  four it
> > years ago.
> >
> > My computer is anAMD64 with a gig of ram. I have installed the 32 bit
> > version of Fedora with speakup motified. I'm wanting to use speakup, but
> > just had a few questions before I do so.
> > I Also have a laptop running ubuntu. So if it would be easier to convert
> > my laptop to Fedora, then I can do that as well. I just need input.
> >
> >
> > My questions are the following for fedora:
> > 1. When using the speakup connector, for ttsynth, I just coppy the make
> > file into /usr/local/bin/
> > then creat an alias to start speak up.
> >
> > 2. When I edit the file grub.conf I beleive it's in /boot. To specify
> > the software speech at boot do I just scroll to the end of the file and
> > type speakup_synth=sftsynth then restart the computer and hope to have
> > speech at boot time?
> >
> > questions not related to speakup:
> > 1 When using the graphical end of Fedora in Gnome, I'm unable to hear
> > sound and speech at the same time. That is, if I play try listening to
> > an mp3, I would have to kill speech before hearing music. I tried
> > following the instructions to get espeak to work along side orca on the
> > wiki page, but it does not work. please advise on that as well.
> >
> > Thank you,
> > Alonzo
> >
> > note:
> > I can be reached the following ways
> > msn: mariachiac@aim.com
> > aim: mariachiac
> >
> > If the issues stated above are better solved by phone, then I can
> > provide that information as well.
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> > __________ NOD32 3301 (20080727) Information __________
> >
> > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system.
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> > 
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Re: intro and questions

[Tomas Cerha]

Alonzo wrote:
> 2. When I edit the file grub.conf I beleive it's in /boot. To specify
> the software speech at boot do I just scroll to the end of the file and
> type speakup_synth=sftsynth then restart the computer and hope to have
> speech at boot time?

No, this only makes the speakup's output available to software speech,
but you need speechd-up to actually make use of this output and deliver
it to a software speech synthesizer through Speech Dispatcher.  See
http://www.freebsoft.org/speechd-up.

> 1 When using the graphical end of Fedora in Gnome, I'm unable to hear
> sound and speech at the same time. That is, if I play try listening to
> an mp3, I would have to kill speech before hearing music. I tried
> following the instructions to get espeak to work along side orca on the
> wiki page, but it does not work. please advise on that as well.

This can be solved when using Speech Dispatcher instead of Gnome Speech
with Orca.  See http://live.gnome.org/Orca/SpeechDispatcher for more
information.

Best regards, Tomas

Re: intro and questions

[Georgina Joyce]

> I Also have a laptop running ubuntu. So if it would be easier to convert
> my laptop to Fedora, then I can do that as well. I just need input.
> 
> 
> My questions are the following for fedora:
> 1. When using the speakup connector, for ttsynth, I just coppy the make
> file into /usr/local/bin/
> then creat an alias to start speak up.
> 
I'm not a IBMtts user however, it doesn't make sense to put a make file
into a directory.  Do you mean the made binary file, after running make?

> 2. When I edit the file grub.conf I beleive it's in /boot. To specify
> the software speech at boot do I just scroll to the end of the file and
> type speakup_synth=sftsynth then restart the computer and hope to have
> speech at boot time?
> 
No, in an editor you open /boot/grub/menu.lst with root privillages.
You'll see a line that starts title, then possibly root then one
starting with kernel.  Something like this:

kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.26-fc9-i386-spk root=LABEL=/ 

Put a space after that line then add any kernel parameters such as
speakup's.  Check the documentation that you have the correct arguement.
I know that there's been some changes but I thought that the software
synth was:

speakup.synth=sftsyn

Gena

Re: intro and questions

[Janina Sajka]

Georgina Joyce writes:
> > 1. When using the speakup connector, for ttsynth, I just coppy the make
> > file into /usr/local/bin/
> > then creat an alias to start speak up.


No, no. 
a. Take the .gz file you downloaded and uncompress it. This will create
a directory.
b. cd to that directory and type 'make' and press enter.
c. If all goes well, this creates a binary called spk-connect-ttsynth.
Copy or mv that file to /usr/local/bin. This is what you type to start
the connector talking.
d. But that's probably more than you want to type every time you start
speech. That's the reason to create a symbolic link to this file. So
that you can have something short to type to start speech.

Note that the connector can only be built on a 32-bit system at this
time.
> > 2. When I edit the file grub.conf
It's /boot/grub/grub.conf

> No, in an editor you open /boot/grub/menu.lst with root privillages.

Well, Fedora provides menu.lst as a symbolic link to grub.conf. So,
consider this an example of the symbolic link in 1d above.


> You'll see a line that starts title, then possibly root then one
> starting with kernel.  Something like this:
> 
Here's an actual Fedora kernel statement. Note there's a horribly long
UID designator for the root argument.

kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.25.11-97.spk.fc9.x86_64 ro
root=UUID=800328ee-c064-4bfb-ad96-d4086c8cc44e vga=0xF07
speakup.synth=soft speakup.quiet=1

> I know that there's been some changes but I thought that the software
> synth was:
> 
> speakup.synth=sftsyn

Not any longer. It's now called 'soft' . See the above kernel statement
from grub.conf.

Janina

Re: intro and questions

[Alonzo]

Hello Janina,

Ok, I can do that. However... The make process is unsuccessful it says a
bunch of erros
example, ttsynth has no membername rait
It has a total of 337 erros. So I'm not able to do the make process.

Alonzo
On Mon, 2008-07-28 at 19:20 -0400, Janina Sajka wrote:
> Georgina Joyce writes:
> > > 1. When using the speakup connector, for ttsynth, I just coppy the make
> > > file into /usr/local/bin/
> > > then creat an alias to start speak up.
> 
> 
> No, no. 
> a. Take the .gz file you downloaded and uncompress it. This will create
> a directory.
> b. cd to that directory and type 'make' and press enter.
> c. If all goes well, this creates a binary called spk-connect-ttsynth.
> Copy or mv that file to /usr/local/bin. This is what you type to start
> the connector talking.
> d. But that's probably more than you want to type every time you start
> speech. That's the reason to create a symbolic link to this file. So
> that you can have something short to type to start speech.
> 
> Note that the connector can only be built on a 32-bit system at this
> time.
> > > 2. When I edit the file grub.conf
> It's /boot/grub/grub.conf
> 
> > No, in an editor you open /boot/grub/menu.lst with root privillages.
> 
> Well, Fedora provides menu.lst as a symbolic link to grub.conf. So,
> consider this an example of the symbolic link in 1d above.
> 
> 
> > You'll see a line that starts title, then possibly root then one
> > starting with kernel.  Something like this:
> > 
> Here's an actual Fedora kernel statement. Note there's a horribly long
> UID designator for the root argument.
> 
> kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.25.11-97.spk.fc9.x86_64 ro
> root=UUID=800328ee-c064-4bfb-ad96-d4086c8cc44e vga=0xF07
> speakup.synth=soft speakup.quiet=1
> 
> > I know that there's been some changes but I thought that the software
> > synth was:
> > 
> > speakup.synth=sftsyn
> 
> Not any longer. It's now called 'soft' . See the above kernel statement
> from grub.conf.
> 
> Janina
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: intro and questions

[Janina Sajka]

I've put a binary on the ttsynth.com home page. I've also edited the
README for TTSynth, since some particulars for newer Speakup kernels are
now different. Please try the binary and reference the new README.

Janina

Alonzo writes:
> Hello Janina,
> 
> Ok, I can do that. However... The make process is unsuccessful it says a
> bunch of erros
> example, ttsynth has no membername rait
> It has a total of 337 erros. So I'm not able to do the make process.
> 
> Alonzo
> On Mon, 2008-07-28 at 19:20 -0400, Janina Sajka wrote:
> > Georgina Joyce writes:
> > > > 1. When using the speakup connector, for ttsynth, I just coppy the make
> > > > file into /usr/local/bin/
> > > > then creat an alias to start speak up.
> > 
> > 
> > No, no. 
> > a. Take the .gz file you downloaded and uncompress it. This will create
> > a directory.
> > b. cd to that directory and type 'make' and press enter.
> > c. If all goes well, this creates a binary called spk-connect-ttsynth.
> > Copy or mv that file to /usr/local/bin. This is what you type to start
> > the connector talking.
> > d. But that's probably more than you want to type every time you start
> > speech. That's the reason to create a symbolic link to this file. So
> > that you can have something short to type to start speech.
> > 
> > Note that the connector can only be built on a 32-bit system at this
> > time.
> > > > 2. When I edit the file grub.conf
> > It's /boot/grub/grub.conf
> > 
> > > No, in an editor you open /boot/grub/menu.lst with root privillages.
> > 
> > Well, Fedora provides menu.lst as a symbolic link to grub.conf. So,
> > consider this an example of the symbolic link in 1d above.
> > 
> > 
> > > You'll see a line that starts title, then possibly root then one
> > > starting with kernel.  Something like this:
> > > 
> > Here's an actual Fedora kernel statement. Note there's a horribly long
> > UID designator for the root argument.
> > 
> > kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.25.11-97.spk.fc9.x86_64 ro
> > root=UUID=800328ee-c064-4bfb-ad96-d4086c8cc44e vga=0xF07
> > speakup.synth=soft speakup.quiet=1
> > 
> > > I know that there's been some changes but I thought that the software
> > > synth was:
> > > 
> > > speakup.synth=sftsyn
> > 
> > Not any longer. It's now called 'soft' . See the above kernel statement
> > from grub.conf.
> > 
> > Janina
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 
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Re: intro and questions

[Georgina Joyce]

Hi

Many thanks, Janina for stepping in here on questions about your
product.  I understand that we have to trim our messages so that they
are accepted on the speakup list but please be mindful of who it is your
quoting.  I did not write the quoted text as stated below.

Gena
On Mon, 2008-07-28 at 19:20 -0400, Janina Sajka wrote:
> Georgina Joyce writes:
> > > 1. When using the speakup connector, for ttsynth, I just coppy the make
> > > file into /usr/local/bin/
> > > then creat an alias to start speak up.
> 

Re: intro and questions

[Alonzo]

Hello Janina,

I've looked at hte new files you've posted. The only file I found
regarding ttsynth and speakup was spk-connect-ttsynth-1.1.tar.gz
I downloded the file and found hte same results. I'm unable to go
through the make process. You mention that if hte make process does not
work, for me to build my own binary. I'm not exactly sure how to do
this. So if there is a website explaining how to use .c files then I
would like to take al ook at it to familiarize myself with these types
of files. I get the same erros, make error1. It complains that htere is
no value for pitch, rait, memberHandle, and a hundred other errors.
Sorry for being quite new at this types of things. I used linux a long
time ago, but have forgotten lot's of what has to be done. I enjoy
learning though and using the operating system. I have no windows so I'm
lucky I was able to install linux to use it.

Alonzo


On Mon, 2008-07-28 at 19:20 -0400, Janina Sajka wrote:
> Georgina Joyce writes:
> > > 1. When using the speakup connector, for ttsynth, I just coppy the make
> > > file into /usr/local/bin/
> > > then creat an alias to start speak up.
> 
> 
> No, no. 
> a. Take the .gz file you downloaded and uncompress it. This will create
> a directory.
> b. cd to that directory and type 'make' and press enter.
> c. If all goes well, this creates a binary called spk-connect-ttsynth.
> Copy or mv that file to /usr/local/bin. This is what you type to start
> the connector talking.
> d. But that's probably more than you want to type every time you start
> speech. That's the reason to create a symbolic link to this file. So
> that you can have something short to type to start speech.
> 
> Note that the connector can only be built on a 32-bit system at this
> time.
> > > 2. When I edit the file grub.conf
> It's /boot/grub/grub.conf
> 
> > No, in an editor you open /boot/grub/menu.lst with root privillages.
> 
> Well, Fedora provides menu.lst as a symbolic link to grub.conf. So,
> consider this an example of the symbolic link in 1d above.
> 
> 
> > You'll see a line that starts title, then possibly root then one
> > starting with kernel.  Something like this:
> > 
> Here's an actual Fedora kernel statement. Note there's a horribly long
> UID designator for the root argument.
> 
> kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.25.11-97.spk.fc9.x86_64 ro
> root=UUID=800328ee-c064-4bfb-ad96-d4086c8cc44e vga=0xF07
> speakup.synth=soft speakup.quiet=1
> 
> > I know that there's been some changes but I thought that the software
> > synth was:
> > 
> > speakup.synth=sftsyn
> 
> Not any longer. It's now called 'soft' . See the above kernel statement
> from grub.conf.
> 
> Janina
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: intro and questions

[Janina Sajka]

It's a .gz file. That means it's compressed. It's also a binary file--no
make, or anything of the kind required.

1.) use the gzip command to uncompress the file:

gzip spk-connect-ttsynth-1.1.tar.gz

2.) This will give you spk-connect-ttsynth. Copy (or move) that file
somewhere where it can be executed from anywhere. /usr/local/bin is the
recommended place.

3.)	If you've properly loaded Speakup's software speech support, you
simply execute the spk-connect-ttsynth binary to get speech.

NOTE: How to tell whether you've properly set Speakup up depends on what
version you're running. If you're up to date do:

cat /sys/module/speakup/parameters/synth

You should get one word, 'soft' as output.

I don't know how I can make this simpler. I'm sorry. I don't understand
what "same results" means.

Janina

Alonzo writes:
> Hello Janina,
> 
> I've looked at hte new files you've posted. The only file I found
> regarding ttsynth and speakup was spk-connect-ttsynth-1.1.tar.gz
> I downloded the file and found hte same results. I'm unable to go
> through the make process. You mention that if hte make process does not
> work, for me to build my own binary. I'm not exactly sure how to do
> this. So if there is a website explaining how to use .c files then I
> would like to take al ook at it to familiarize myself with these types
> of files. I get the same erros, make error1. It complains that htere is
> no value for pitch, rait, memberHandle, and a hundred other errors.
> Sorry for being quite new at this types of things. I used linux a long
> time ago, but have forgotten lot's of what has to be done. I enjoy
> learning though and using the operating system. I have no windows so I'm
> lucky I was able to install linux to use it.
> 
> Alonzo
> 
> 
> On Mon, 2008-07-28 at 19:20 -0400, Janina Sajka wrote:
> > Georgina Joyce writes:
> > > > 1. When using the speakup connector, for ttsynth, I just coppy the make
> > > > file into /usr/local/bin/
> > > > then creat an alias to start speak up.
> > 
> > 
> > No, no. 
> > a. Take the .gz file you downloaded and uncompress it. This will create
> > a directory.
> > b. cd to that directory and type 'make' and press enter.
> > c. If all goes well, this creates a binary called spk-connect-ttsynth.
> > Copy or mv that file to /usr/local/bin. This is what you type to start
> > the connector talking.
> > d. But that's probably more than you want to type every time you start
> > speech. That's the reason to create a symbolic link to this file. So
> > that you can have something short to type to start speech.
> > 
> > Note that the connector can only be built on a 32-bit system at this
> > time.
> > > > 2. When I edit the file grub.conf
> > It's /boot/grub/grub.conf
> > 
> > > No, in an editor you open /boot/grub/menu.lst with root privillages.
> > 
> > Well, Fedora provides menu.lst as a symbolic link to grub.conf. So,
> > consider this an example of the symbolic link in 1d above.
> > 
> > 
> > > You'll see a line that starts title, then possibly root then one
> > > starting with kernel.  Something like this:
> > > 
> > Here's an actual Fedora kernel statement. Note there's a horribly long
> > UID designator for the root argument.
> > 
> > kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.25.11-97.spk.fc9.x86_64 ro
> > root=UUID=800328ee-c064-4bfb-ad96-d4086c8cc44e vga=0xF07
> > speakup.synth=soft speakup.quiet=1
> > 
> > > I know that there's been some changes but I thought that the software
> > > synth was:
> > > 
> > > speakup.synth=sftsyn
> > 
> > Not any longer. It's now called 'soft' . See the above kernel statement
> > from grub.conf.
> > 
> > Janina
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

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Re: intro and questions

[Janina Sajka]

Sorry about that, Gina. That only became clear to me after the fact.

Janina

Georgina Joyce writes:
> Hi
> 
> Many thanks, Janina for stepping in here on questions about your
> product.  I understand that we have to trim our messages so that they
> are accepted on the speakup list but please be mindful of who it is your
> quoting.  I did not write the quoted text as stated below.
> 
> Gena
> On Mon, 2008-07-28 at 19:20 -0400, Janina Sajka wrote:
> > Georgina Joyce writes:
> > > > 1. When using the speakup connector, for ttsynth, I just coppy the make
> > > > file into /usr/local/bin/
> > > > then creat an alias to start speak up.
> > 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

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Partner, Capital Accessibility LLC	http://CapitalAccessibility.Com

Marketing the Owasys 22C talking screenless cell phone in the U.S. and Canada
Learn more at http://ScreenlessPhone.Com

Chair, Open Accessibility	janina@a11y.org	
Linux Foundation		http://a11y.org

Re: intro and questions

[Alonzo]

Hello Janina

I'm sorry if it seems like I'm completely new. I've done the folowing
and found the binary you put up on tsynth.com.
I've edited the file specified menu.lst and my kernel line now looks
like this

kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.25.10-86.spk.fc9.i686 ro
root=UUID=f78d3f62-f05a-4dab-a0f6-299adf756710 rhgb quiet
initrd /initrd-2.6.25.10-86.spk.fc9.i686.img
speakup.synth=soft
I'm not sure if hte last part concerning speakup is correct since I'm
not sure what version of speakup I have. I've downloaded the latest
speakup from a mirror using git. I'm jsut not sure if I should follow
the commands specified to rebuild for my kernel or how i go about
patchign my kernel since speakup is already installed.
I understand that i need speech-dispatcher and speachd-up in order to
hear software speech when using speakup. However, on that part, I can't
install speechd-up since I'm not successful in getting speech-dispatcher
to work on Fedora. I can install it from source and install the 
necessary libraries, but when trying to test by envoking spd-say hello
the following error occurs:
spd-say hello
I get the following
spd-say error while loading shared libraries libspeechd.so.2 can not
open shared object file
no such file or directory

So I can't continue with speechd-up if speech-dispatcher is not working.
I'm sorry if I seem to be sending amounts of high traffic to the list.

Thank you for everyones time
Alonzo

Please feel free to call at
361-219-9399
or email privately  to the address
mariachiac@aim.com  



On Tue, 2008-07-29 at 14:50 -0400, Janina Sajka wrote: 
> It's a .gz file. That means it's compressed. It's also a binary file--no
> make, or anything of the kind required.
> 
> 1.) use the gzip command to uncompress the file:
> 
> gzip spk-connect-ttsynth-1.1.tar.gz
> 
> 2.) This will give you spk-connect-ttsynth. Copy (or move) that file
> somewhere where it can be executed from anywhere. /usr/local/bin is the
> recommended place.
> 
> 3.) If you've properly loaded Speakup's software speech support, you
> simply execute the spk-connect-ttsynth binary to get speech.
> 
> NOTE: How to tell whether you've properly set Speakup up depends on what
> version you're running. If you're up to date do:
> 
> cat /sys/module/speakup/parameters/synth
> 
> You should get one word, 'soft' as output.
> 
> I don't know how I can make this simpler. I'm sorry. I don't understand
> what "same results" means.
> 
> Janina
> 
> Alonzo writes:
> > Hello Janina,
> > 
> > I've looked at hte new files you've posted. The only file I found
> > regarding ttsynth and speakup was spk-connect-ttsynth-1.1.tar.gz
> > I downloded the file and found hte same results. I'm unable to go
> > through the make process. You mention that if hte make process does not
> > work, for me to build my own binary. I'm not exactly sure how to do
> > this. So if there is a website explaining how to use .c files then I
> > would like to take al ook at it to familiarize myself with these types
> > of files. I get the same erros, make error1. It complains that htere is
> > no value for pitch, rait, memberHandle, and a hundred other errors.
> > Sorry for being quite new at this types of things. I used linux a long
> > time ago, but have forgotten lot's of what has to be done. I enjoy
> > learning though and using the operating system. I have no windows so I'm
> > lucky I was able to install linux to use it.
> > 
> > Alonzo
> > 
> > 
> > On Mon, 2008-07-28 at 19:20 -0400, Janina Sajka wrote:
> > > Georgina Joyce writes:
> > > > > 1. When using the speakup connector, for ttsynth, I just coppy the make
> > > > > file into /usr/local/bin/
> > > > > then creat an alias to start speak up.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > No, no. 
> > > a. Take the .gz file you downloaded and uncompress it. This will create
> > > a directory.
> > > b. cd to that directory and type 'make' and press enter.
> > > c. If all goes well, this creates a binary called spk-connect-ttsynth.
> > > Copy or mv that file to /usr/local/bin. This is what you type to start
> > > the connector talking.
> > > d. But that's probably more than you want to type every time you start
> > > speech. That's the reason to create a symbolic link to this file. So
> > > that you can have something short to type to start speech.
> > > 
> > > Note that the connector can only be built on a 32-bit system at this
> > > time.
> > > > > 2. When I edit the file grub.conf
> > > It's /boot/grub/grub.conf
> > > 
> > > > No, in an editor you open /boot/grub/menu.lst with root privillages.
> > > 
> > > Well, Fedora provides menu.lst as a symbolic link to grub.conf. So,
> > > consider this an example of the symbolic link in 1d above.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > You'll see a line that starts title, then possibly root then one
> > > > starting with kernel.  Something like this:
> > > > 
> > > Here's an actual Fedora kernel statement. Note there's a horribly long
> > > UID designator for the root argument.
> > > 
> > > kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.25.11-97.spk.fc9.x86_64 ro
> > > root=UUID=800328ee-c064-4bfb-ad96-d4086c8cc44e vga=0xF07
> > > speakup.synth=soft speakup.quiet=1
> > > 
> > > > I know that there's been some changes but I thought that the software
> > > > synth was:
> > > > 
> > > > speakup.synth=sftsyn
> > > 
> > > Not any longer. It's now called 'soft' . See the above kernel statement
> > > from grub.conf.
> > > 
> > > Janina
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 
> -- 
> 
> Janina Sajka,   Phone:  +1.202.595.7777;    sip:janina@a11y.org
> Partner, Capital Accessibility LLC  http://CapitalAccessibility.Com
> 
> Marketing the Owasys 22C talking screenless cell phone in the U.S. and Canada
> Learn more at http://ScreenlessPhone.Com
> 
> Chair, Open Accessibility   janina@a11y.org 
> Linux Foundation        http://a11y.org
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: intro and questions

[Alonzo]

Hello, I forgot to add that I've also linked the file
this way I can just type spt at the command prompt. The spk-connector is
put into /usr/local/bin as recommended by the readme.

Best regards
Alonzo
On Tue, 2008-07-29 at 21:57 -0500, Alonzo wrote:
> Hello Janina
> 
> I'm sorry if it seems like I'm completely new. I've done the folowing
> and found the binary you put up on tsynth.com.
> I've edited the file specified menu.lst and my kernel line now looks
> like this
> 
> kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.25.10-86.spk.fc9.i686 ro
> root=UUID=f78d3f62-f05a-4dab-a0f6-299adf756710 rhgb quiet
> initrd /initrd-2.6.25.10-86.spk.fc9.i686.img
> speakup.synth=soft
> I'm not sure if hte last part concerning speakup is correct since I'm
> not sure what version of speakup I have. I've downloaded the latest
> speakup from a mirror using git. I'm jsut not sure if I should follow
> the commands specified to rebuild for my kernel or how i go about
> patchign my kernel since speakup is already installed.
> I understand that i need speech-dispatcher and speachd-up in order to
> hear software speech when using speakup. However, on that part, I can't
> install speechd-up since I'm not successful in getting speech-dispatcher
> to work on Fedora. I can install it from source and install the 
> necessary libraries, but when trying to test by envoking spd-say hello
> the following error occurs:
> spd-say hello
> I get the following
> spd-say error while loading shared libraries libspeechd.so.2 can not
> open shared object file
> no such file or directory
> 
> So I can't continue with speechd-up if speech-dispatcher is not working.
> I'm sorry if I seem to be sending amounts of high traffic to the list.
> 
> Thank you for everyones time
> Alonzo
> 
> Please feel free to call at
> 361-219-9399
> or email privately  to the address
> mariachiac@aim.com  
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, 2008-07-29 at 14:50 -0400, Janina Sajka wrote: 
> > It's a .gz file. That means it's compressed. It's also a binary file--no
> > make, or anything of the kind required.
> > 
> > 1.) use the gzip command to uncompress the file:
> > 
> > gzip spk-connect-ttsynth-1.1.tar.gz
> > 
> > 2.) This will give you spk-connect-ttsynth. Copy (or move) that file
> > somewhere where it can be executed from anywhere. /usr/local/bin is the
> > recommended place.
> > 
> > 3.) If you've properly loaded Speakup's software speech support, you
> > simply execute the spk-connect-ttsynth binary to get speech.
> > 
> > NOTE: How to tell whether you've properly set Speakup up depends on what
> > version you're running. If you're up to date do:
> > 
> > cat /sys/module/speakup/parameters/synth
> > 
> > You should get one word, 'soft' as output.
> > 
> > I don't know how I can make this simpler. I'm sorry. I don't understand
> > what "same results" means.
> > 
> > Janina
> > 
> > Alonzo writes:
> > > Hello Janina,
> > > 
> > > I've looked at hte new files you've posted. The only file I found
> > > regarding ttsynth and speakup was spk-connect-ttsynth-1.1.tar.gz
> > > I downloded the file and found hte same results. I'm unable to go
> > > through the make process. You mention that if hte make process does not
> > > work, for me to build my own binary. I'm not exactly sure how to do
> > > this. So if there is a website explaining how to use .c files then I
> > > would like to take al ook at it to familiarize myself with these types
> > > of files. I get the same erros, make error1. It complains that htere is
> > > no value for pitch, rait, memberHandle, and a hundred other errors.
> > > Sorry for being quite new at this types of things. I used linux a long
> > > time ago, but have forgotten lot's of what has to be done. I enjoy
> > > learning though and using the operating system. I have no windows so I'm
> > > lucky I was able to install linux to use it.
> > > 
> > > Alonzo
> > > 
> > > 
> > > On Mon, 2008-07-28 at 19:20 -0400, Janina Sajka wrote:
> > > > Georgina Joyce writes:
> > > > > > 1. When using the speakup connector, for ttsynth, I just coppy the make
> > > > > > file into /usr/local/bin/
> > > > > > then creat an alias to start speak up.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > No, no. 
> > > > a. Take the .gz file you downloaded and uncompress it. This will create
> > > > a directory.
> > > > b. cd to that directory and type 'make' and press enter.
> > > > c. If all goes well, this creates a binary called spk-connect-ttsynth.
> > > > Copy or mv that file to /usr/local/bin. This is what you type to start
> > > > the connector talking.
> > > > d. But that's probably more than you want to type every time you start
> > > > speech. That's the reason to create a symbolic link to this file. So
> > > > that you can have something short to type to start speech.
> > > > 
> > > > Note that the connector can only be built on a 32-bit system at this
> > > > time.
> > > > > > 2. When I edit the file grub.conf
> > > > It's /boot/grub/grub.conf
> > > > 
> > > > > No, in an editor you open /boot/grub/menu.lst with root privillages.
> > > > 
> > > > Well, Fedora provides menu.lst as a symbolic link to grub.conf. So,
> > > > consider this an example of the symbolic link in 1d above.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > > You'll see a line that starts title, then possibly root then one
> > > > > starting with kernel.  Something like this:
> > > > > 
> > > > Here's an actual Fedora kernel statement. Note there's a horribly long
> > > > UID designator for the root argument.
> > > > 
> > > > kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.25.11-97.spk.fc9.x86_64 ro
> > > > root=UUID=800328ee-c064-4bfb-ad96-d4086c8cc44e vga=0xF07
> > > > speakup.synth=soft speakup.quiet=1
> > > > 
> > > > > I know that there's been some changes but I thought that the software
> > > > > synth was:
> > > > > 
> > > > > speakup.synth=sftsyn
> > > > 
> > > > Not any longer. It's now called 'soft' . See the above kernel statement
> > > > from grub.conf.
> > > > 
> > > > Janina
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > 
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > 
> > -- 
> > 
> > Janina Sajka,   Phone:  +1.202.595.7777;    sip:janina@a11y.org
> > Partner, Capital Accessibility LLC  http://CapitalAccessibility.Com
> > 
> > Marketing the Owasys 22C talking screenless cell phone in the U.S. and Canada
> > Learn more at http://ScreenlessPhone.Com
> > 
> > Chair, Open Accessibility   janina@a11y.org 
> > Linux Foundation        http://a11y.org
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup