Editors?

Editors?

[Zachary Kline]

Howdy,
    I was just wondering if anybody could recommend which text editor is good to use with Speakup.  I've heard good things about Vi--and Emacspeak with Emacs.  The default Gentoo installation comes with Nano--but I was wondering if there was a better choice?
Thanks much,
Zack.

Re: Editors?

[Albert E. Sten-Clanton]

I started out using emacs, but mostly use vim (vi improved) these days.  I sometimes sxcrew myself up by forgetting whether I'm in its command mode or its edit mode, and I don't like that it tends not to tell me what character I'm backspacing over.  I had little trouble changing certain defaults (line length and the tab setting), and I like some of its commands for moving through documents.  

I've never used nano, so can't compare it with the others.

Let me know if you think I can help more.  I'm sure no expert, but I'm more or less trucking along.

Al
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Zachary Kline" <Z_kline@hotmail.com>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 8:05 AM
Subject: Editors?


> Howdy,
>     I was just wondering if anybody could recommend which text editor is good to use with Speakup.  I've heard good things about Vi--and Emacspeak with Emacs.  The default Gentoo installation comes with Nano--but I was wondering if there was a better choice?
> Thanks much,
> Zack.
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Re: Editors?

[Chris Norman]

NE is prety good.

It stands for Nice-editor, and is probably available from your package
manager's repositories.

HTH,

On Tue, 2007-02-27 at 05:05 -0800, Zachary Kline wrote:
> Howdy,
>     I was just wondering if anybody could recommend which text editor is good to use with Speakup.  I've heard good things about Vi--and Emacspeak with Emacs.  The default Gentoo installation comes with Nano--but I was wondering if there was a better choice?
> Thanks much,
> Zack.
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Re: Editors?

[Lorenzo Taylor]

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I prefer vim, which is available in every distro I know of.  It's very
powerful and I found it much easier to learn than I expected it to be.
Just my opinion, take it or leave it, it's up to you.

HTH,
Lorenzo
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Re: Editors?

[Steve Holmes]

I like emacs and vim.  They each seem to have their places; I like emacs
for its advanced programmer modes with auto indent, ChangeLog updates
and stuff but vim is fast and I find it really quick for things like
editting e-mail messages with mutt and the like.  Vim wraps text while
in input mode but I think I prefer emacs's word wrapping a bit betterand
with emacs there's no mixing up input and command modes but then again
with vim's command mode, you can do some pretty good mass operations
with small number of keystrokes.  I have discovered in recent time that
vim does have a lot more advanced features than I had previously known.
So they are probably pretty competetive now.

It's real easy to get into "editor wars" but so far, I'm just expressing
my personal view and what I like3 in editors that I personally use.

On Tue, Feb 27, 2007 at 10:43:03AM -0500, Lorenzo Taylor wrote:
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> I prefer vim, which is available in every distro I know of.  It's very
> powerful and I found it much easier to learn than I expected it to be.
> Just my opinion, take it or leave it, it's up to you.
> 
> HTH,
> Lorenzo
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Re: Editors?

[Sean McMahon]

If you intend to use emacs, you don't need emacspeak sinse you're using speakup. 
Naturally you may use emacspeak if you like.  Use the printscreen key to kill 
speakup before starting emacspeak.  The speakup user's guide has some good 
commands which you may find useful while editing, beeping at a defined column 
number and so on.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Zachary Kline" <Z_kline@hotmail.com>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 6:05 AM
Subject: Editors?


> Howdy,
>    I was just wondering if anybody could recommend which text editor is good 
> to use with Speakup.  I've heard good things about Vi--and Emacspeak with 
> Emacs.  The default Gentoo installation comes with Nano--but I was wondering 
> if there was a better choice?
> Thanks much,
> Zack.
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 

Re: Editors?

[Tyler Spivey]

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Personally, I use /bin/ed, and also edbrowse. I'm using vim for email,
but using a screen editor is like driving a car - its very difficult to
know what you're doing at any given time, and it wastes lines that could
be used for prior output commands with parts of the text I will review
by going up anyways.

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Re: Editors?

[Michael Whapples]

I find nano works well with speakup, but you will want to make sure that
cursor tracking is in the right mode, I think on is rightt. Nano is
basic, and if you want something basic (almost similar to functionality
in notepad to give a windows comparison) then nano is good. I like nano
as all commands are shown at the bottom of the screen should you forget
one, whereas emacs and such like you need to be familiar with the
commands to use them. I know someone suggested ed and edbrowse, well
this is quite something, possibilities are great with it, and if you
have done some programming (script languages such as perl) then it is
easy to get going with, but may be more challenging for someone used to
graphical interfaces such as windows editors, as it really takes command
line to the extreme in my mind, and a 2D text editor may be more
intuitive to the windows user.

From
Michael Whapples
On Tue, 2007-02-27 at 05:05 -0800, Zachary Kline wrote:
> Howdy,
>     I was just wondering if anybody could recommend which text editor is good to use with Speakup.  I've heard good things about Vi--and Emacspeak with Emacs.  The default Gentoo installation comes with Nano--but I was wondering if there was a better choice?
> Thanks much,
> Zack.
> 

editors

[Michael Whapples]

Hello,
I am currently looking for a better editor than my current favourite
(nano). I have just been doing some bash scripting training, and in that
they were teaching using vi (the training was for people who may never
have used unix before), but I have to say I just wasn't getting on with
vi. How does speakup work with vi best? I found it not very good. People
were saying to me that nano isn't so powerful (and I know what they are
getting at), so I am thinking about emacs (or emacspeak). It seems more
to my liking than vi, but I have a few questions about it. If I were to
use emacspeak, how is it best to stop conflicts of speakup and emacspeak
wanting to use the same synth (an apollo in my case)? Or is it good to
use emacs with speakup (so doing away with emacspeak? Or alternatively,
is there any other editors people might suggest.

From
Michael Whapples

Re: editors

[Albert E. Sten-Clanton]

I started with Emacs, but mostly use vi--or, more precisely, vim.  You can screw yourself royally if you forget what mode you're in.  Also, I've found that, unlike with Emacs, I don't hear what I'm backspacing over.  Those are the drawbacks I live with regularly.  As long as I remember what mode I'm in, though, I find it much easier to move around a document in vim than in Emacs, easier to copy and paste blocks of text, and much easier to change the settings that kick in when I start it.  (I still don't know how to set autofill on or the line length to wrap at permanently in Emacs:  it's doubtless somewhere in the manual, but sure not easy to find.) Also, I find the Emacs keystrokes often a nuisance, especially especially because there's only one working alt key, which apparently is a Linux thing.

You may of course know all this and have decided against vim.  I mention these things only in case they may be new food for thought.  I avoided vim until I took a class in which some of its useful features were pointed out to us.  I was grateful.

Al
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From: "Michael Whapples" <mwhapples@aim.com>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 7:59 AM
Subject: editors


> Hello,
> I am currently looking for a better editor than my current favourite
> (nano). I have just been doing some bash scripting training, and in that
> they were teaching using vi (the training was for people who may never
> have used unix before), but I have to say I just wasn't getting on with
> vi. How does speakup work with vi best? I found it not very good. People
> were saying to me that nano isn't so powerful (and I know what they are
> getting at), so I am thinking about emacs (or emacspeak). It seems more
> to my liking than vi, but I have a few questions about it. If I were to
> use emacspeak, how is it best to stop conflicts of speakup and emacspeak
> wanting to use the same synth (an apollo in my case)? Or is it good to
> use emacs with speakup (so doing away with emacspeak? Or alternatively,
> is there any other editors people might suggest.
> 
> From
> Michael Whapples
> 
> 
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Re: editors

[John Heim]

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Albert E. Sten-Clanton" <albert.e.sten_clanton@verizon.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 9:41 AM
Subject: Re: editors


>I started with Emacs, but mostly use vi--or, more precisely, vim.  You can 
>screw yourself royally if you forget what mode you're in.  Also, I've found 
>that, unlike with Emacs, I don't hear what I'm backspacing over.  Those are 
>the drawbacks I live with regularly.  As long as I remember what mode I'm 
>in, though, I find it much easier to move around a document in vim than in 
>Emacs, easier to copy and paste blocks of text, and much easier to change 
>the settings that kick in when I start it.  (I still don't know how to set 
>autofill on or the line length to wrap at permanently in Emacs:  it's 
>doubtless somewhere in the manual, but sure not easy to find.) Also, I find 
>the Emacs keystrokes often a nuisance, especially especially because 
>there's only one working alt key, which apparently is a Linux thing.
>

Wow, that's interesting.  Don't take this as a criticism by any means but 
I've  never heard of anyone switching from emacs to vi. Although, I've sort 
of done that myself. I used emacspeak for years. But now that I primarily 
use speakup, I use vi as my editor.  Emacs is hard. I guess so is vi in it's 
own way.

Actually, what I usually do is edit files remotely on a Windows machine. I 
use a tool called sftpdrive. You can map a Windows drive letter to a machine 
that runs ssh and edit files like they were on any other network share. Very 
slick.

One thing bad about linux editorsYou have to learn them. I can switch from 
notepad to TextPad to UltraEdit without having to figure out what keystrokes 
to use with each program. Home puts you at the beginning of the line. 
Shift+cursordown marks the line. Shift+Del cuts the line. Shift+Ins pastes 
it. Control+f,s saves the file.

They all have their own keys for the fancy stuff but you can do the basics 
without learning anything about the editor.

Re: editors

[Albert E. Sten-Clanton]

> One thing bad about linux editorsYou have to learn them. I can switch from 
> notepad to TextPad to UltraEdit without having to figure out what keystrokes 
> to use with each program. Home puts you at the beginning of the line. 
> Shift+cursordown marks the line. Shift+Del cuts the line. Shift+Ins pastes 
> it. Control+f,s saves the file.
> 
> They all have their own keys for the fancy stuff but you can do the basics 
> without learning anything about the editor.
> 

That's a very fair point indeed.  Sometimes, I forget I'm editing with emacs or vim and hit one of those Windows editor keys.  Derrr!

One thing I like a lot about using one of the Linux editors is that I can just type its name and the file to bring up.  It reminds me of the old DOS days, when I did the same with WordPerfect.  If there's a way to do that in Windows, I don't know it.  With it, I have to be careful which directory it's looking in for a file, or which directory became the default if I had the temerity to put something in other than "my documents."

Al

Re: editors

[Michael Whapples]

This thing about windows editors I think is partly why I chose nano as
it was very much along that sort of line and all important key presses
are shown at the bottom of the screen.

Al, you mentioning about starting editors by specifying the file name on
the command line, well you can do that in windows with notepad, go to
run and type in "notepad myfile.txt" and it should load myfile.txt. I
think a number of windows applications support this (possibly the way
that associating the filename works).

Thank you to everyone for the comments, I think I just need to try some.

From
Michael Whapples
On Thu, 2007-11-01 at 10:50 -0500, Albert E. Sten-Clanton wrote:
> > One thing bad about linux editorsYou have to learn them. I can switch from 
> > notepad to TextPad to UltraEdit without having to figure out what keystrokes 
> > to use with each program. Home puts you at the beginning of the line. 
> > Shift+cursordown marks the line. Shift+Del cuts the line. Shift+Ins pastes 
> > it. Control+f,s saves the file.
> > 
> > They all have their own keys for the fancy stuff but you can do the basics 
> > without learning anything about the editor.
> > 
> 
> That's a very fair point indeed.  Sometimes, I forget I'm editing with emacs or vim and hit one of those Windows editor keys.  Derrr!
> 
> One thing I like a lot about using one of the Linux editors is that I can just type its name and the file to bring up.  It reminds me of the old DOS days, when I did the same with WordPerfect.  If there's a way to do that in Windows, I don't know it.  With it, I have to be careful which directory it's looking in for a file, or which directory became the default if I had the temerity to put something in other than "my documents."
> 
> Al
> 
> 
> 

Editors?

[Hart Larry]

Well, Michael-and-All, I exclusively run nano, however, I have a couple of Nano 
inquirees?  First of all, in the search-and-replace, how can I look for or 
delete carriage returns?  I think in wp they are called "hrt"
Also, if I am editing my lynx bookmarks file, I know there are ways to have 
nano come up at the current line instead of beginning of a file?  In the help 
it claims a minus LINE
Thanks in advance
Hart