GRML and Speakup

GRML and Speakup

[Edgar Lozano]

Hi,

Just wondering if someone could provide me with the steps to get grml
talking with Speakup? I'm using the 2014.11 iso image. I heard a
well-done podcast in which the command "grml swspeakup" was provided
as a boot command. Does this still work? It was an informative one
over the installation of Arch using this live environment.
Unfortunately, it seems a bit out of date. Otherwise, what steps are
needed to get this thing speaking to me? Also, just as an aside, has
anyone tried following through with one of those Linux from Scratch
(build-it-yourself) projects? Is it worth doing? Is there potential
accessibility support with Speakup? that is, can the program be
incorporated into a custom Linux environment? I read somewhere that
the live LFS live distribution has Speakup on it. Sorry, I've been
growing somewhat obsessed with Linux and want to understand as much as
possible about building and deploying live environments that provide
spoken feedback upon boot for system administration.

Thanks in advance.

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Re: GRML and Speakup

[covici]

The instructions you saw are out of date.  What you do is at the tone
that you hear after booting from the cd, just hit enter and wait for
another beep.  Now just hit return and you will be at a root  prompt
with no speech.  Now type modprobe speakup_soft and hit enter and then
type espeakup.  Your sound may be very low volume at this point, but you
can type alsamixer and hit  up arrow a number of timesand then  if
necesary hit right arrow and type up arrow a few times and do this again
and you should hear sound.


Edgar Lozano <1419goku@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Just wondering if someone could provide me with the steps to get grml
> talking with Speakup? I'm using the 2014.11 iso image. I heard a
> well-done podcast in which the command "grml swspeakup" was provided
> as a boot command. Does this still work? It was an informative one
> over the installation of Arch using this live environment.
> Unfortunately, it seems a bit out of date. Otherwise, what steps are
> needed to get this thing speaking to me? Also, just as an aside, has
> anyone tried following through with one of those Linux from Scratch
> (build-it-yourself) projects? Is it worth doing? Is there potential
> accessibility support with Speakup? that is, can the program be
> incorporated into a custom Linux environment? I read somewhere that
> the live LFS live distribution has Speakup on it. Sorry, I've been
> growing somewhat obsessed with Linux and want to understand as much as
> possible about building and deploying live environments that provide
> spoken feedback upon boot for system administration.
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> 
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> Thanks for reading.
> Have a good day.
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> check us out.
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RE: GRML and Speakup

[mike]

Hi,

I have built a Linux from scratch with a debian host but never got Speakup to work with it. I could not find any good instructions for enabling it in the kernel or the best way to go about building the sound system.

-----Original Message-----
From: Speakup [mailto:speakup-bounces@linux-speakup.org] On Behalf Of Edgar Lozano
Sent: Monday, September 28, 2015 10:11 PM
To: speakup@linux-speakup.org
Subject: GRML and Speakup

Hi,

Just wondering if someone could provide me with the steps to get grml talking with Speakup? I'm using the 2014.11 iso image. I heard a well-done podcast in which the command "grml swspeakup" was provided as a boot command. Does this still work? It was an informative one over the installation of Arch using this live environment.
Unfortunately, it seems a bit out of date. Otherwise, what steps are needed to get this thing speaking to me? Also, just as an aside, has anyone tried following through with one of those Linux from Scratch
(build-it-yourself) projects? Is it worth doing? Is there potential accessibility support with Speakup? that is, can the program be incorporated into a custom Linux environment? I read somewhere that the live LFS live distribution has Speakup on it. Sorry, I've been growing somewhat obsessed with Linux and want to understand as much as possible about building and deploying live environments that provide spoken feedback upon boot for system administration.

Thanks in advance.

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Re: GRML and Speakup

[Rob]

mike <mmstopka28@gmail.com> wrote:
> I have built a Linux from scratch with a debian host but never got Speakup 
> to work with it. I could not find any good instructions for enabling it in 
> the kernel or the best way to go about building the sound system.
I built LFS 7.7 and have it running with both speakup and Brltty. All you 
have to do is select the staging drivers/speakup and the sound support item 
in the kernel configuration. Install alsa-stuff. Add your appropriate kernel 
modules in the appropriate files; the book tells you where to add modules, 
should you need them that aren't autoloaded by the kernel. What I then did 
was copy my voxin libs from the host into my new system, add the right init 
script to have the connector come up and bingo. I had speakup going.

Re: GRML and Speakup

[Edgar Lozano]

Thanks for those instructions on enabling Speakup within GRML. It
definitely works. However, is there a way to turn the beep volume down
before booting? I was startled by the very loud four-beep sequence
that my laptop generated upon entering the root prompt.
Rob, you make it sound so easy. That is, building LFS with Speakup.
Are there any concrete example you may be able to give to accomplish
this. Maybe like a short summary of the commands you had to enter to
enable the staging tree driver? I must admit, I am a relative newcomer
to the Linux world, and probably the most advanced task that I've done
has been to install Arch successfully on an old computer, with the aid
of the Talking Arch image, of course. However, I want to dig deeper
into the Linux development structure so that I can start creating and
tinkering with live images with speech in mind. I've made a few useful
apps here and there for use within the console, but remastering and
such is a whole different area that I want to understand.

On 9/29/15, Rob <captinlogic@gmail.com> wrote:
> mike <mmstopka28@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I have built a Linux from scratch with a debian host but never got Speakup
>>
>> to work with it. I could not find any good instructions for enabling it in
>>
>> the kernel or the best way to go about building the sound system.
> I built LFS 7.7 and have it running with both speakup and Brltty. All you
> have to do is select the staging drivers/speakup and the sound support item
> in the kernel configuration. Install alsa-stuff. Add your appropriate kernel
> modules in the appropriate files; the book tells you where to add modules,
> should you need them that aren't autoloaded by the kernel. What I then did
> was copy my voxin libs from the host into my new system, add the right init
> script to have the connector come up and bingo. I had speakup going.
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@linux-speakup.org
> http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>


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Re: GRML and Speakup

[covici]

The beep volume is out of the internal speaker -- mine is pretty low, in
fact.

Edgar Lozano <1419goku@gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks for those instructions on enabling Speakup within GRML. It
> definitely works. However, is there a way to turn the beep volume down
> before booting? I was startled by the very loud four-beep sequence
> that my laptop generated upon entering the root prompt.
> Rob, you make it sound so easy. That is, building LFS with Speakup.
> Are there any concrete example you may be able to give to accomplish
> this. Maybe like a short summary of the commands you had to enter to
> enable the staging tree driver? I must admit, I am a relative newcomer
> to the Linux world, and probably the most advanced task that I've done
> has been to install Arch successfully on an old computer, with the aid
> of the Talking Arch image, of course. However, I want to dig deeper
> into the Linux development structure so that I can start creating and
> tinkering with live images with speech in mind. I've made a few useful
> apps here and there for use within the console, but remastering and
> such is a whole different area that I want to understand.
> 
> On 9/29/15, Rob <captinlogic@gmail.com> wrote:
> > mike <mmstopka28@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> I have built a Linux from scratch with a debian host but never got Speakup
> >>
> >> to work with it. I could not find any good instructions for enabling it in
> >>
> >> the kernel or the best way to go about building the sound system.
> > I built LFS 7.7 and have it running with both speakup and Brltty. All you
> > have to do is select the staging drivers/speakup and the sound support item
> > in the kernel configuration. Install alsa-stuff. Add your appropriate kernel
> > modules in the appropriate files; the book tells you where to add modules,
> > should you need them that aren't autoloaded by the kernel. What I then did
> > was copy my voxin libs from the host into my new system, add the right init
> > script to have the connector come up and bingo. I had speakup going.
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@linux-speakup.org
> > http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> 
> 
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> Thanks for reading.
> Have a good day.
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> check us out.
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> Speakup@linux-speakup.org
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> 

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RE: GRML and Speakup

[mike]

Hi,

I will have to look closer at this I can get the system build accept for that part.

-----Original Message-----
From: Speakup [mailto:speakup-bounces@linux-speakup.org] On Behalf Of Rob
Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2015 10:06 AM
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. <speakup@linux-speakup.org>
Subject: Re: GRML and Speakup

mike <mmstopka28@gmail.com> wrote:
> I have built a Linux from scratch with a debian host but never got Speakup 
> to work with it. I could not find any good instructions for enabling it in 
> the kernel or the best way to go about building the sound system.
I built LFS 7.7 and have it running with both speakup and Brltty. All you 
have to do is select the staging drivers/speakup and the sound support item 
in the kernel configuration. Install alsa-stuff. Add your appropriate kernel 
modules in the appropriate files; the book tells you where to add modules, 
should you need them that aren't autoloaded by the kernel. What I then did 
was copy my voxin libs from the host into my new system, add the right init 
script to have the connector come up and bingo. I had speakup going.

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Speakup@linux-speakup.org
http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: GRML and Speakup

[Gregory Nowak]

On my desktop systems it isn't bad. My laptop is a different story
though. This is especially true if I'm doing something late in the
evening when I'm the only one awake with headphones on. If I forget
about that beep sequence it's loud, and doesn't go through my
headphones. I've winced and whispered oops under my breath more than
once. Once the OS boots though, the beep volume is controllable, and
does go through headphones if they're connected. It's only when the
BIOS is in control that this is a problem. Even when everyone is awake
during the day, I've been asked more than once if that was me.

Greg


On Tue, Sep 29, 2015 at 11:00:37AM -0400, covici@ccs.covici.com wrote:
> The beep volume is out of the internal speaker -- mine is pretty low, in
> fact.


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Re: GRML and Speakup

[Steve Matzura]

John:

On Mon, 28 Sep 2015 22:20:21 -0400, you wrote:

>The instructions you saw are out of date.  What you do is at the tone
>that you hear after booting from the cd, just hit enter and wait for
>another beep.  Now just hit return and you will be at a root  prompt
>with no speech.  Now type modprobe speakup_soft and hit enter and then
>type espeakup. 

Some enterprising soul should come up with the mods which will do this
automatically. Try as I might, I absolutely could not hear the
internal speaker beep on either of the two systems I tried this on.
Turns out, the speaker itself is buried deep, and I mean really deep,
in the case, covered up by lots of other components. Therefore, having
grml come up talking would be, to say the least, most efficacious.

Re: GRML and Speakup

[Techswing33]

Hello,

I second this. I've tried to do this in the past, but all the isos
I've made then tried to boot have been nnonbootable.

Thanks.
Dave.


On 10/2/15, Steve Matzura <sm@noisynotes.com> wrote:
> John:
>
> On Mon, 28 Sep 2015 22:20:21 -0400, you wrote:
>
>>The instructions you saw are out of date.  What you do is at the tone
>>that you hear after booting from the cd, just hit enter and wait for
>>another beep.  Now just hit return and you will be at a root  prompt
>>with no speech.  Now type modprobe speakup_soft and hit enter and then
>>type espeakup.
>
> Some enterprising soul should come up with the mods which will do this
> automatically. Try as I might, I absolutely could not hear the
> internal speaker beep on either of the two systems I tried this on.
> Turns out, the speaker itself is buried deep, and I mean really deep,
> in the case, covered up by lots of other components. Therefore, having
> grml come up talking would be, to say the least, most efficacious.
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@linux-speakup.org
> http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

Re: GRML and Speakup

[Gregory Nowak]

Did you verify the checksum/gpg signature/both of the iso before
burning it? Did you verify the disk burned correctly before trying to
boot from it? I assume your pc's BIOS is set to boot from the dvd
drive before booting from the hard drive. I think the grml iso can
also be booted from a usb drive, but don't quote me on that. You do of
course need to be using the full iso here, not the small iso.

Greg


On Fri, Oct 02, 2015 at 01:46:00PM -0400, Techswing33 wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> I second this. I've tried to do this in the past, but all the isos
> I've made then tried to boot have been nnonbootable.


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Re: GRML and Speakup

[Tony Baechler]

On 10/2/2015 10:46 AM, Techswing33 wrote:
> I second this. I've tried to do this in the past, but all the isos
> I've made then tried to boot have been nnonbootable.


I am working on a rescue CD based on Debian.  That is to say it is 99% 
Debian packages with very minor adjustments for accessibility.  It now even 
includes the Debian Installer, so you can install an official Debian system 
on your machine.  It comes up talking on two real machines and in a VM, but 
it needs wider testing.  I do have brltty enabled, but I don't have a 
Braille display.  It has most standard tools you would expect, plus you can 
install others if you want.  If you want a talking system out of the box, 
you can install the live system to your hard drive, but I don't recommend 
this.  Unlike other CDs, it should come up talking automatically and 
includes non-free firmware, so your wireless network should be detected.

There is just one small problem.  That is the bandwidth.  I hesitate to give 
out a download location here because I don't want my server to get flooded 
with hits.  Therefore, if you want it, please write off list.  I will 
eventually find a better hosting solution, but mirrors are welcome.  It's 
currently 64-bit only, but once it's stable, I plan to produce a 32-bit 
version and DVDs with a GUI.  I am guessing I'll need about 12.5 GB total, 
but not for now.

If this interests you, please test.  It needs testing on as much hardware as 
possible.  I think I included most important packages, but if you think 
something is missing, please let me know.  I plan to eventually set up a 
mailing list, but not until it gets more testing.

Re: GRML and Speakup

[Jude DaShiell]

It's possible to use debian-testing nonfree firmware edition to install 
debian.  Unfortunately that worked on my amd system and failed on my 
acer system on acer the firmware wouldn't install even though the 
firmware was already on the media in that instance the media acted like 
the official debian media.  On the amd machine though once the 
installation was done it was impossible to configure the rt2870 wifi 
adapter and connect to the internet.  The installation does not run 
wpa_passphrase and update /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf the way debian has it 
set up.  When I booted the system after installation I got a message in 
dmesg that the wlx link was not ready.  I could repeat installation and 
execute a shell and run wpa_passphrase but wonder if that would even 
help.  For the record, I'm running wifi on Talkingarch since Talkingarch 
was able to configure the wifi adapter and get out to the internet after 
installation.  The netctl script is archlinux specific and was very 
helpful once I figured out how to use it.  I lost access to ethernet and 
will be without it until at least December of this year since equipment 
had to be moved so another person could live in that space.

On Sat, 3 Oct 2015, Tony Baechler wrote:

> Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2015 04:57:13
> From: Tony Baechler <tony@baechler.net>
> Reply-To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
>     <speakup@linux-speakup.org>
> To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. <speakup@linux-speakup.org>
> Subject: Re: GRML and Speakup
> 
> On 10/2/2015 10:46 AM, Techswing33 wrote:
>> I second this. I've tried to do this in the past, but all the isos
>> I've made then tried to boot have been nnonbootable.
>
>
> I am working on a rescue CD based on Debian.  That is to say it is 99% 
> Debian packages with very minor adjustments for accessibility.  It now even 
> includes the Debian Installer, so you can install an official Debian system 
> on your machine.  It comes up talking on two real machines and in a VM, but 
> it needs wider testing.  I do have brltty enabled, but I don't have a 
> Braille display.  It has most standard tools you would expect, plus you can 
> install others if you want.  If you want a talking system out of the box, 
> you can install the live system to your hard drive, but I don't recommend 
> this.  Unlike other CDs, it should come up talking automatically and 
> includes non-free firmware, so your wireless network should be detected.
>
> There is just one small problem.  That is the bandwidth.  I hesitate to give 
> out a download location here because I don't want my server to get flooded 
> with hits.  Therefore, if you want it, please write off list.  I will 
> eventually find a better hosting solution, but mirrors are welcome.  It's 
> currently 64-bit only, but once it's stable, I plan to produce a 32-bit 
> version and DVDs with a GUI.  I am guessing I'll need about 12.5 GB total, 
> but not for now.
>
> If this interests you, please test.  It needs testing on as much hardware as 
> possible.  I think I included most important packages, but if you think 
> something is missing, please let me know.  I plan to eventually set up a 
> mailing list, but not until it gets more testing.
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@linux-speakup.org
> http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

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Re: GRML and Speakup

[Rob]

I can host it for you if you want. I have a vps offsite.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tony Baechler" <tony@baechler.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." 
<speakup@linux-speakup.org>
Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2015 3:57 AM
Subject: Re: GRML and Speakup


> On 10/2/2015 10:46 AM, Techswing33 wrote:
>> I second this. I've tried to do this in the past, but all the isos
>> I've made then tried to boot have been nnonbootable.
>
>
> I am working on a rescue CD based on Debian.  That is to say it is 99% 
> Debian packages with very minor adjustments for accessibility.  It now 
> even includes the Debian Installer, so you can install an official Debian 
> system on your machine.  It comes up talking on two real machines and in a 
> VM, but it needs wider testing.  I do have brltty enabled, but I don't 
> have a Braille display.  It has most standard tools you would expect, plus 
> you can install others if you want.  If you want a talking system out of 
> the box, you can install the live system to your hard drive, but I don't 
> recommend this.  Unlike other CDs, it should come up talking automatically 
> and includes non-free firmware, so your wireless network should be 
> detected.
>
> There is just one small problem.  That is the bandwidth.  I hesitate to 
> give out a download location here because I don't want my server to get 
> flooded with hits.  Therefore, if you want it, please write off list.  I 
> will eventually find a better hosting solution, but mirrors are welcome. 
> It's currently 64-bit only, but once it's stable, I plan to produce a 
> 32-bit version and DVDs with a GUI.  I am guessing I'll need about 12.5 GB 
> total, but not for now.
>
> If this interests you, please test.  It needs testing on as much hardware 
> as possible.  I think I included most important packages, but if you think 
> something is missing, please let me know.  I plan to eventually set up a 
> mailing list, but not until it gets more testing.
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@linux-speakup.org
> http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

Re: GRML and Speakup

[John G. Heim]

The International Association Of Visually Impaired Technologists would 
make space available on our server for that. See www.iavit.org.


On 10/03/2015 10:29 AM, Rob wrote:
> I can host it for you if you want. I have a vps offsite.
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Baechler" <tony@baechler.net>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." 
> <speakup@linux-speakup.org>
> Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2015 3:57 AM
> Subject: Re: GRML and Speakup
>
>
>> On 10/2/2015 10:46 AM, Techswing33 wrote:
>>> I second this. I've tried to do this in the past, but all the isos
>>> I've made then tried to boot have been nnonbootable.
>>
>>
>> I am working on a rescue CD based on Debian.  That is to say it is 
>> 99% Debian packages with very minor adjustments for accessibility.  
>> It now even includes the Debian Installer, so you can install an 
>> official Debian system on your machine.  It comes up talking on two 
>> real machines and in a VM, but it needs wider testing.  I do have 
>> brltty enabled, but I don't have a Braille display.  It has most 
>> standard tools you would expect, plus you can install others if you 
>> want.  If you want a talking system out of the box, you can install 
>> the live system to your hard drive, but I don't recommend this.  
>> Unlike other CDs, it should come up talking automatically and 
>> includes non-free firmware, so your wireless network should be detected.
>>
>> There is just one small problem.  That is the bandwidth.  I hesitate 
>> to give out a download location here because I don't want my server 
>> to get flooded with hits.  Therefore, if you want it, please write 
>> off list.  I will eventually find a better hosting solution, but 
>> mirrors are welcome. It's currently 64-bit only, but once it's 
>> stable, I plan to produce a 32-bit version and DVDs with a GUI.  I am 
>> guessing I'll need about 12.5 GB total, but not for now.
>>
>> If this interests you, please test.  It needs testing on as much 
>> hardware as possible.  I think I included most important packages, 
>> but if you think something is missing, please let me know.  I plan to 
>> eventually set up a mailing list, but not until it gets more testing.
>> _______________________________________________
>> Speakup mailing list
>> Speakup@linux-speakup.org
>> http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@linux-speakup.org
> http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: GRML and Speakup

[Tony Baechler]

Thanks.  I'll need to be able to upload modified versions on a somewhat 
regular basis.  I'll eventually have both 32-bit and 64-bit CD images.  I'm 
hoping to have DVD images with live desktops, but I'm not to that point yet. 
  Since things are still in the testing phase, new images with relatively 
small corrections come out on a semiregular basis, so probably rsync access 
is best.  Also, how much transfer bandwidth do you get per month?  With each 
CD image at about 700 MB, I don't expect a ton of downloads, but if a few 
dozen people download it, it adds up fast.  Finally, where is the VPS 
located?  I would want international mirrors and reasonably good download 
speeds due to the large image sizes.

On 10/3/2015 8:29 AM, Rob wrote:
> I can host it for you if you want. I have a vps offsite.

Re: GRML and Speakup

[Tony Baechler]

Thanks very much.  Do I have to join?  I looked at your pages 
(iavit.org/~john/) and got nothing.  See my previous post.  If you can give 
me preferrably ssh access or at least rsync, I'm interested.  If you just 
want to automatically mirror, that could be fine, but it would probably have 
to be with rsync.  I'm not even close to coming up with docs or any kind of 
release schedule yet.  Since it's based on Debian testing, packages should 
be updated fairly often, but I haven't determined an update schedule either. 
  The point is I would need to be able to push updates somewhat often.  I 
would probably also need a writable directory for at least a basic web page 
and the various images, checksums, etc.

On 10/3/2015 9:33 AM, John G. Heim wrote:
> The International Association Of Visually Impaired Technologists would make
> space available on our server for that. See www.iavit.org.
>
>
> On 10/03/2015 10:29 AM, Rob wrote:
>> I can host it for you if you want. I have a vps offsite.

Re: GRML and Speakup

[John G. Heim]

There is really nothing to join. It's not like there are dues or 
anything. We have both a mediawiki wiki and a wordpress blog. I don't 
know anything about posting files with either mediawiki or wordpress 
although I'm sure it can be done. I would think having either a wiki 
page or a blog would be important regardless of how the upload is done. 
When people ask about a talking version of debian, you'd point them to 
the wiki or to your blog.

You know what might be cool would be for me to set you up as a blogger 
and you could write a debian accessibility blog.  Possible topics could 
be your own talking distro, the grub-init-tune script I wrote, and 
patching a kernel for speakup. I can help you with ideas for topics and 
with the technical stuff. Not to say you need technical help but I could 
make it so at least some of your blog posts didn't take a whole lot of 
work on your part. I'm sure the people on this list would help too.

I can give you ssh access and create a blog for you.  Or you can just 
sign up at the wiki yourself. I think if you really want to do it right, 
what you might want to do is write a blog at www.iavit.org and post the 
downloads at sourceforge or someplace.  I used to have a sourceforge 
account but they broke accessibility for a short time years ago and I 
haven't been back since. But it seems a lot of people post their files 
there. Must be something to it.


On 10/04/2015 04:31 AM, Tony Baechler wrote:
> Thanks very much.  Do I have to join?  I looked at your pages 
> (iavit.org/~john/) and got nothing.  See my previous post.  If you can 
> give me preferrably ssh access or at least rsync, I'm interested.  If 
> you just want to automatically mirror, that could be fine, but it 
> would probably have to be with rsync.  I'm not even close to coming up 
> with docs or any kind of release schedule yet.  Since it's based on 
> Debian testing, packages should be updated fairly often, but I haven't 
> determined an update schedule either.  The point is I would need to be 
> able to push updates somewhat often.  I would probably also need a 
> writable directory for at least a basic web page and the various 
> images, checksums, etc.
>
> On 10/3/2015 9:33 AM, John G. Heim wrote:
>> The International Association Of Visually Impaired Technologists 
>> would make
>> space available on our server for that. See www.iavit.org.
>>
>>
>> On 10/03/2015 10:29 AM, Rob wrote:
>>> I can host it for you if you want. I have a vps offsite.
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[Tony Baechler]

On 10/4/2015 9:48 AM, John G. Heim wrote:
> There is really nothing to join. It's not like there are dues or anything.
> We have both a mediawiki wiki and a wordpress blog. I don't know anything
> about posting files with either mediawiki or wordpress although I'm sure it
> can be done. I would think having either a wiki page or a blog would be
> important regardless of how the upload is done. When people ask about a
> talking version of debian, you'd point them to the wiki or to your blog.

I have used WP before.  I found the accessibility fair.  I think Drupal has 
better accessibility, but I haven't tried it in years.  For a basic 
download, either a wiki or WP content upload is more effort than I want to 
go through, especially for minor updates.  That's why I would really prefer 
the rsync option.  All I need is hosting for the images and chroots.  I have 
a server and lots of web space, but it's the bandwidth for the images that 
worries me.

>
> You know what might be cool would be for me to set you up as a blogger and
> you could write a debian accessibility blog.  Possible topics could be your
> own talking distro, the grub-init-tune script I wrote, and patching a kernel
> for speakup. I can help you with ideas for topics and with the technical
> stuff. Not to say you need technical help but I could make it so at least
> some of your blog posts didn't take a whole lot of work on your part. I'm
> sure the people on this list would help too.

Thanks, but no.  I'm working on starting my own business and I can host my 
own blog on my site when I'm ready, but I'm not to that point yet.  I'm not 
much for writing long blog posts anyway.  I am happy to offer my CD images 
as a public service, but when Debian gets a talking live CD which works like 
D-I, my CD images will serve no purpose.  To go back to an earlier 
discussion on this list, I built my rescue CD for two reasons.  First, 
because I had a request.  Second, I needed one and one wasn't easily 
available.  The Debian 8.2.0 live CD images don't currently include a rescue 
CD, or if they do, I missed it.  My ultimate goal, quite frankly, is to get 
people interested in Linux and sell Linux support services.

>
> I can give you ssh access and create a blog for you.  Or you can just sign
> up at the wiki yourself. I think if you really want to do it right, what you
> might want to do is write a blog at www.iavit.org and post the downloads at
> sourceforge or someplace.  I used to have a sourceforge account but they
> broke accessibility for a short time years ago and I haven't been back
> since. But it seems a lot of people post their files there. Must be
> something to it.

Yes, I took a look at Source Forge.  They seemed to have good accessibility. 
  I don't know if there is a limit on how much I can upload.  That is 
certainly a viable option and worthy of further consideration.  I'm still 
refining my build process and am not ready to produce source images.  A 
requirement of SF is full sources must be included.  I'm not clear from the 
above paragraph if you're actually offering hosting for the images or not. 
Yes, ssh access would be appreciated, but if I can't host images for 
download, there probably is little point.

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